[pct-l] Tim's broken ankle

Wed Sep 19 11:56:36 CDT 2012

Hey Gourmet,

So sorry to hear about your broken ankle.  Are you okay now? Can you enlighten us as to what happened?  And what we can do to help prevent this from happening to us?  I bet this will be a great story for you someday.

There has been lots of conversation and concern from fellow hikers on the trail.  Apparently there were more than one Gourmets on the trail this year.  Are you the older or younger Gourmet?  I will be hiking north out of Snoqualmie tomorrow morning so I can spread the word.

I know how disappointed you must feel.  In 2010 near Three Finger Jack, I rolled and broke my ankle and broke my shoulder.  I popped my dislocated shoulder back in (a few times) and hiked about 20 miles to the Pamela Lake trailhead, hitch to Eugene, and Amtrak back to the SF Bay Area for shoulder surgery.  Makes a great story, I think…

I think my "lesson learned" was to remove the hip belt from my pack.  I felt it locked in my spine so that I could not quickly right myself as I was rolling my ankle.  Ray Jardine talks about this situation in his Trail Days book.  This change is actually a good thing for me because my pack base weight is about 7 lbs, so the extra weight on my shoulders has not been a problem.

All the best in your recovery and your return to finish the trail!

Symbiosis

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of I Discovered That By Going Out I Had Really Gone In
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:56 PM
To: Edward Anderson; pct-l at backcountry.net
Cc: Meridith Rosendahl
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tim's broken ankle

Mendo,

Mixing high dose high grade narcotics with social media is never a good idea. After my ankle was reconstructed I flew home and I can tell that too much spare time will only compound the potential for mischief as all the filters are definitely down.

Still the answer to the fires issue is education and self restraint by those who violate the ban. Peer pressure, applied  on the trail, for knowing violators of a fire ban, but in a strictly nonconfrontational way; one that does not criticize. I doubt any additional regulatory action or effort will be effective. Hiking your own hike, to me, emphasizes personal responsability; not whether you as another hiker give some sort of pass to another hiker for conduct you disagree with.  I regularly voice my problems with alcohol stoves due to their fire risk while I am on the trail, but do so as the reason for using another modality. Providing an example.

My experience this year in Oregon and Washington with lightning caused fires makes me consider them the principal problem. Combined, of course with the multidecade build up of forest fuels through fire suppression. Each time I experienced a night time thunderstorm fires resulted and, in turn. the trail was closed.  As for hiker caused fires I have no information in support, but surmise casual non long distance hikers or campers are probable the principal sources of careless campfire caused blazes.

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Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com<mailto:mendoridered at yahoo.com>> wrote:

>Timothy,

>

>I did not know that you are the hiker who broke your ankle six miles short of the Canadian Border. I just learned that from Piper's Mom.  I am so sad to now realize that you were the hiker. You must have been terribly disappointed. Hope that I was not too hard on you in my response to your response to my post on illegal campfires on the PCT. I sincerely apologize.

>

>MendoRider

>

>

>________________________________

> From: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com<mailto:meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>>

>To: pct-l at backcountry.net<mailto:pct-l at backcountry.net>

>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:12 PM

>Subject: [pct-l]  Fire Bans

>

>Maybe Tim's painful broken ankle is making him cranky, as might being

>so close to the border and having to leave the trail.  No verbal

>lashings at me, please.

>

>Piper's Mom

>

>

>Message: 12

>Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:01:43 -0700

>From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com<mailto:jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>>

>Subject: [pct-l] Fire Bans

>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net<mailto:pct-l at backcountry.net>>

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>I am not siding with or against Mendo Rider's email to the Forest

>Service, but Timothy Nye's response to Mendo Rider suggest that "hike your own hike"

>now means you can ignore campfire and other restrictions.  He would

>"not presume to proscribe limits or penalties on others."  Come on!

>All the various official rules associated with hiking the trail are in

>some way limits or penalties.   But they are there to protect the

>trail, the environment that it passes through, and in some cases

>hikers.  Geez, Timothy are you so afraid of being characterized as

>judgmental that you are willing to let others violate the fire restrictions that are in place?

>

>

>

>I-Beam

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