[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 9
Jane Overton
neoaflander at gmail.com
Sun Sep 9 13:56:59 CDT 2012
@ Chuck. What you said us sort of true. If you are exposed to germs and
viruses, your body makes an antibody fir each of them. The more you develop
an immunity to in this way, the fewer you will be susceptible too. It'd the
reason you only (usually) get chicken pox or mumps once. Apologies. To the
younger ones here who got vaccinated. Vaccinations work the same. You get a
little of the attenuated germ and your body fights it by cresting a
designer defense antibody. Do, in truth, if you are exposed to a lot, and
you have created antibodies, you are resistant to more.
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> 1. web hosting question (Elisabeth M. Chaplin)
> 2. Waterborne giardia: a new look at the evidence
> (Bruce 'Buck' Nelson)
> 3. PCT Hikers and Diets (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 4. Re: Help! Lost Spot Connect in OR- Minnie Scott Spring
> (Thomas Jamrog)
> 5. Re: Help! Lost Spot Connect in OR- Minnie Scott Spring
> (Bob Bankhead)
> 6. OR, WA mosquitoes (miles brown)
> 7. OR, WA ticks (miles brown)
> 8. Re: To " Filter or Treat"...or not to..."Filter and Treat"
> (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 9. The FINAL WORD on GIARDIA (Reinhold Metzger)
> 10. Waterborne giardia: a new look at the evidence (considerizer)
> 11. PCT Trailwork Project Oct 6-7 (Kev)
> 12. Re: rural verses urban (Spring)
> 13. Re: rural verses urban (Chris Anderson)
> 14. Politeness and thinking positive (Bruce 'Buck' Nelson)
> 15. Re: PCT Hikers and Diets (aslive at charter.net)
> 16. Re: rural verses urban (CHUCK CHELIN)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 10:05:21 -0700
> From: "Elisabeth M. Chaplin" <echaplin at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] web hosting question
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Just wondering if anyone on this list is aware of a web hosting service
> that would donate a portion to a non-profit, a la PCTA, like this one does
> to artists:
>
> http://thepresentgroup.com/hosting
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> Any ideas? Thanks, Liz.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 12:11:57 -0500
> From: "Bruce 'Buck' Nelson" <buck at bucktrack.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Waterborne giardia: a new look at the evidence
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Just made a new blog post. I hope those interested will check it out.
>
> Comments about my intellect, ancestry, physical appearance, or honesty
> should be directed to my blog. I welcome other comments at my blog or
> here.
>
> Don't know if the clickable link will work or not so I've included it
> twice:
>
>
> http://bucktrack.blogspot.com/2012/09/backpacker-giardia-debunking-skeptical_8.html
>
> <a href="
> http://bucktrack.blogspot.com/2012/09/backpacker-giardia-debunking-skeptical_8.html
> ">Backpacker
> Giardia: Debunking a Skeptical Paper</a>
>
> Happy PCTing
>
> Colter
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:09:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Hikers and Diets
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CF5C042BA6BA23-1050-2B8A8 at angweb-usm022.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Hardcore and seasoned PCT hikers Grizzly and Trail Dust were85 years old
> and had been married for sixty years. Though they were far fromrich, as
> most hikers, they lived comfortably as Grizzly watched his pennies.
> Though not young, they were both in decent health, largelydue to Trail
> Dust?s insistence on healthy foods and exercise all their marriedlife.
>
> One day, they were out banging along the trail near Muir Hut. As they
> passed Helen Lake both of them succumbedto the high altitude hiking and off
> to heaven they went hand-in-hand.
> They reached the pearly gates and St. Peter escorted theminside. He took
> them to a beautiful mansion, furnished in gold and fine silks,with a fully
> stocked kitchen and a waterfall in the master bath. A maid couldbe seen
> hanging their favorite clothes in the closet. They gasped inastonishment
> when St. Peter said, "Welcome to Heaven. This will be your homenow."
>
> Grizzly asked St. Peter how much all this was going to cost. "Why,
> nothing",Peter replied. "This is your reward inHeaven."
> Grizzly looked out the window and right there he saw a beautifulcountry
> club with a championship golf course walking paths. It was finer and more
> beautiful than any everbuilt on Earth. "What does it cost tojoin that
> club?" asked the suspicious Grizzly.
> "Thisis heaven," St. Peter replied. "You can enjoy it free every day."
>
> They went over to the clubhouse and saw the lavish buffet lunch. "Don't
> even ask," said St. Peter to Grizzly. "Thisis Heaven it is all free for you
> to enjoy."
>
> Grizzly looked around nervously at Trail Dust and then asked St. Peter,
> "Well,where are the low fat and low cholesterol foods, and the
> decaffeinated tea?"
>
> "That's the best part," St. Peter replied. "You can eat and drink as much
> asyou like and you will never get fat or sick. This is...... Heaven!"
>
> "No gym to work out at?" asked Grizzly.
> "Notunless you want to," was the answer.
> "No testing my sugar or blood pressure or..."
> "Never again," replied St. Peter.
>
> Grizzly glared at Trail Dust and said, "You and your Bran Flakes DIET. We
> couldhave been here........ ten years ago!"
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Your obedient servant and trail knave,
> Switchback the Trail Pirate
> "May the Forest be With You"
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:07:55 -0400
> From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Help! Lost Spot Connect in OR- Minnie Scott
> Spring
> To: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <0C50A653-333F-4FA8-9D51-75A211E657E7 at midcoast.com>
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> Really funny. Spot gets lost. I guess if Spot belches out an SOS, Spot now
> pays?
> Uncle Tom
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 8, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I LOVE IT!
> >
> > SPOT gets lost.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:53:05 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Help! Lost Spot Connect in OR- Minnie Scott
> Spring
> To: "'Thomas Jamrog'" <balrog at midcoast.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Is anyone taking bets on whether or not the SOS gets through to the right
> person?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Jamrog [mailto:balrog at midcoast.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:08 PM
> To: Bob Bankhead
> Cc: Joe Robinson; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Help! Lost Spot Connect in OR- Minnie Scott Spring
>
> Really funny. Spot gets lost. I guess if Spot belches out an SOS, Spot now
> pays?
> Uncle Tom
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:50:46 -0500
> From: miles brown <e.milesbrown at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] OR, WA mosquitoes
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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> Can anyone tell me about the mosquitoes on trail in OR, WA during
> September/October months (2012)?
> Need much bug netting? etc.
>
> --
> Miles
>
> *Find your passion. **Pursue it with fervour. *Have something to fall
> back on.
> (Like, your ass.)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:55:22 -0500
> From: miles brown <e.milesbrown at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] OR, WA ticks
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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> Also, could someone please let me know about the ticks on the trail during
> Sept./Oct. in OR &WA.
>
> Thanks much.
>
> --
> Miles
>
> *Find your passion. **Pursue it with fervour. *Have something to fall
> back on.
> (Like, your ass.)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 06:51:51 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] To " Filter or Treat"...or not to..."Filter and
> Treat"
> To: abiegen at cox.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Bruce 'Buck' Nelson <buck at bucktrack.com>,
> Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net>
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> Good morning,
>
> Diogenes, fetch your lantern! I just found who you?ve been looking for
> these last 2,500 years.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:40 AM, <abiegen at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > One final comment on the discussion of treatment of water/giardia/etc.
> >
> > About two years ago I had a similar exchange with Ken on the pct-l. I had
> > posited that you should expose yourself to as many germs as possible so
> > that your immune system would work better. I said that if you didn't use
> > your immune system it would get into trouble attacking your own body. Ken
> > strongly disagreed and said that that theory was without merit. The
> > exchange went back and forth for several emails. I posed my sources, Ken
> > knocked them down as unreliable.
> >
> > Well recently a study of previous studies was done and determined that
> the
> > theory that your immune system would get into trouble without external
> > threats had little or no support in all the studies reviewed. It was an
> > unsupported guess.
> >
> > I'm man enough and scientist enough that I will now state publicly that
> > Ken was correct and I was wrong. I won't apologize to Ken because that
> > exchange didn't include any name calling or low blows. We had both
> > expressed our views and sources strongly which is how science progresses.
> > When more conclusive proof is uncovered, you accept it and move forward.
> >
> > I personally enjoyed all the facts and sources shared in the recent
> > exchange. A lot of information got passed back and forth. I understand
> that
> > the stridency come from people not wanting other thrus to either ruin
> their
> > hike by getting sick or not wanting thrus to waste their time and effort
> on
> > a ritual that is not necessary. I go back and forth on the issue,
> sometimes
> > treating, sometimes not.
> >
> > Now on the name calling; well I am reminded of Edison and Tesla. Yes,
> > sometimes science goes in that direction too and things can get ugly. But
> > sometimes the stakes can be pretty high and people get so emotionally
> > attached to their position that it becomes personal.
> >
> > Someday you guys may meet on the trail and hopefully you will bump
> > knuckles instead of bumping heads. I find everyone to be really pleasant
> on
> > the trail probably because the trail just consumes testosterone and
> > adrenalin (please don't send me a bunch of links refuting that, I am just
> > kidding). While on the list, the further away you get from kickoff and
> > spring, the more testosterone and adrenalin build up and seek another
> > outlet.
> >
> > TrailHacker
> >
> > --
> > "When my foot is in my mouth, I can't hike"
> > TH
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:23:48 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] The FINAL WORD on GIARDIA
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, miles brown <e.milesbrown at gmail.com>,
> "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <50482554.5000100 at cox.net>
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>
> Miles,
> I have to hand it to you,....you have your menu all worked out.
> What I don't understand is why somebody like you, with superior
> resistance due to eating all that dirt and Yummy chewing gum that people
> were leaving on the sidewalk for you, should not have to pack an extra
> dozen sleeping bags....your body should have developed full resistance
> to all those "Giardia Chips" & "E-coli cakes".
>
> But just in case, to be safe, if you carry a "cork & cork screw" with
> you, you could always cork-up in the evening and then un-cork in the
> morning and let it rip.
> Then you would not have to carry the dozen extra sleeping bags.
>
> You see.....there is a solution to every problem.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> The problem solver
> ------------------------------------------
> A lot has been said, recently, about water treatment and Giardia.
> What I like to do, when travelling through an area which is known for
> ample amounts of pure, clean water is to bring some freeze-dried Giardia
> Chips and Giardia smoothies (powdered).
> I like the Giardia Chips because they have a nice, light and cripsy
> crunch - and they melt on my tongue.
> The smoothies are good too, just for variety sake, and can be easily
> flavoured.
> If I'm out of Giardia, I'll pack some Campylobacter sausage or some
> candied Yersenia or E-coli cakes.
> Candied Yersena is great before bed.
> They're just sweet enough and they give me that warm, rumbly sensation
> in my belly.
> I like Ecoli-cakes but they're harder to travel with because they tend
> to mold after a few days of damp weather.
> (If I do carry these with me, I'll be sure to pack an extra dozen or so
> sleeping bags and a lot of wet-wipes.
> And I also alert the medi-vac chopper in advance.
> Happy trails, all! --
> Miles
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 19:04:37 -0700
> From: considerizer <considerizer at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Waterborne giardia: a new look at the evidence
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Bruce - you wrote: Comments about my intellect, ancestry, physical
> appearance, or honesty should be directed to my blog. I welcome other
> comments at my blog or here.
>
> Since you did not mention manners, I'd like to reply that it is bad
> form to direct traffic away from the PCT to your personal blog. Comes
> across as a tad arrogant.
> But I am certain that your blog is certainly - entertaining or something...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Considerizer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 20:31:51 -0700
> From: Kev <hikevv at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Trailwork Project Oct 6-7
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <504C0DA7.9030103 at gmail.com>
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> Hello Pacific Crest Trail Volunteers,
> On October 6-7 the Pacific Crest Trail Association will hold a trail
> project in Section E in the northwest corner of the Angeles National
> Forest. If you ever thought you would like to volunteer to help maintain
> one of our premier long-distance scenic trails, this is a good opportunity.
>
> We will do mostly brushing and treading between Atmore Meadow Rd and
> Bear CG, at about 5400' elevation (mile 500) on Liebre Mtn, above Three
> Points.
>
> Volunteers should meet at 0715-0730 on Saturday morning at the pullout
> at the junction of Pine Canyon Rd and Forest Rd 7N23 (labeled "Bushnell
> Summit" on many maps), here:
> http://goo.gl/maps/ABPnV
> A high-clearance vehicle is required to access the area, but
> Saturday-only volunteers can combine into high-clearance vehicles with
> other Saturday-only volunteers.
>
> PCTA will supply all equipment and tools, and meals for overnighters.
> Volunteers can pick either day to work with us, or both, and camp with
> us at Sawmill Campground.
>
> Overnighters will get fed dinner and breakfast. Otherwise, Sunday-only
> volunteers meet at Sawmill CG Sunday morning at 0745 with a packed lunch
> and the day's water. Directions to Sawmill CG:
> http://goo.gl/maps/f8h8I
>
> Volunteers will need to bring leather work gloves, robust footwear, sun
> protection, wear long pants / long-sleeved shirts for working in brush,
> and robust weatherproof shell. Day volunteers should also bring a sack
> lunch and water. A short bit of hiking is required to access the work.
>
> Feel free to forward this announcement on to other interested parties.
> As the date approaches I will provide any additional details to those
> signing up.
> Please respond directly to Section Chief Dave Fleischman
> <owldave57 at gmail.com> or me <hikevv at gmail.com> if interested in
> volunteering.
>
> THANKS,
>
> Kevin Corcoran
> PCTA Region 1 Sec E Volunteer Area Coordinator
> http://pct1e.blogspot.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] rural verses urban
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1347163369.50587.YahooMailNeo at web124504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> There is probably a water related reason for this, but it ain't giardia.?
> The primary thing that rural people have is less health care, including far
> fewer dentists.? The secondary factor is that farm youth are exposed to a
> higher level of pesticides than city youth.? Even if children do not work
> in the fields, they are exposed to the chemicals that do show up in their
> drinking water.? The result is that rural youth have a higher incidence of
> such diseases as Parkinson's disease.
>
> Respectfully, a former farm youth,? Spring
>
>
>
> >From: jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>
> >Subject: [pct-l] rural verses urban
>
> >
> >Many
> years ago I read of a study where military personal from urban and
> rural areas were compared as to their respective state of health while
> in the service. Those from the >rural areas were more frequently sick
> than those from the urban areas. So make what you will of this.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 21:40:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Chris Anderson <srhspaded at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] rural verses urban
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1347165635.59607.YahooMailNeo at web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> It could be that urban areas have not only a higher density of people, but
> a higher density of pathogens. ?A constant low dosage of diverse pathogens
> would lead to a broader ability for anti-body response since our body
> "remembers" previous antigens it encounters. ?This is why I don't buy into
> all the hype about anti-bacterial soap and hand sanitizer use on a rigorous
> basis. ?I haven't been truly sick in years, but this is just speculation,
> and it could be that I have a really good immune system. ?I generally use
> soap only to get the grease off my hands at work.
> ?
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even
> though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that
> knows neither victory nor defeat!
>
>
>
>
> >From: jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>
> >Subject: [pct-l] rural verses urban
>
> >
> >Many
> years ago I read of a study where military personal from urban and
> rural areas were compared as to their respective state of health while
> in the service. Those from the >rural areas were more frequently sick
> than those from the urban areas. So make what you will of this.
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 07:01:50 -0500
> From: "Bruce 'Buck' Nelson" <buck at bucktrack.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Politeness and thinking positive
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> We can disagree without personal insults. If we disagree with someone,
> let's all just try to take a deep breath and calmly respond in an
> appropriate manner as we would face-to-face. It is so easy to misread
> another's intent or tone on the internet.
>
> So let's try to keep it positive. It's a great time of year to be on
> the PCT. Just think of all those thru-hikers out there who have Canada
> in their sights or all the other hikers enjoying that beautiful trail!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 10:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
> From: aslive at charter.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Hikers and Diets
> To: hiker97 at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <67ed9759.3c1f91.139ab577c05.Webtop.49 at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
>
> HA, ha, ha, ha!
>
> Shepherd
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:09 AM, hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hardcore and seasoned PCT hikers Grizzly and Trail Dust were85 years
> > old and had been married for sixty years. Though they were far
> > fromrich, as most hikers, they lived comfortably as Grizzly watched
> > his pennies. Though not young, they were both in decent health,
> > largelydue to Trail Dust?s insistence on healthy foods and exercise
> > all their marriedlife.
> >
> > One day, they were out banging along the trail near Muir Hut. As they
> > passed Helen Lake both of them succumbedto the high altitude hiking
> > and off to heaven they went hand-in-hand.
> > They reached the pearly gates and St. Peter escorted theminside. He
> > took them to a beautiful mansion, furnished in gold and fine
> > silks,with a fully stocked kitchen and a waterfall in the master bath.
> > A maid couldbe seen hanging their favorite clothes in the closet. They
> > gasped inastonishment when St. Peter said, "Welcome to Heaven. This
> > will be your homenow."
> >
> > Grizzly asked St. Peter how much all this was going to cost. "Why,
> > nothing",Peter replied. "This is your reward inHeaven."
> > Grizzly looked out the window and right there he saw a
> > beautifulcountry club with a championship golf course walking paths.
> > It was finer and more beautiful than any everbuilt on Earth. "What
> > does it cost tojoin that club?" asked the suspicious Grizzly.
> > "Thisis heaven," St. Peter replied. "You can enjoy it free every day."
> >
> > They went over to the clubhouse and saw the lavish buffet lunch.
> > "Don't even ask," said St. Peter to Grizzly. "Thisis Heaven it is all
> > free for you to enjoy."
> > Grizzly looked around nervously at Trail Dust and then asked St.
> > Peter, "Well,where are the low fat and low cholesterol foods, and the
> > decaffeinated tea?"
> > "That's the best part," St. Peter replied. "You can eat and drink as
> > much asyou like and you will never get fat or sick. This is......
> > Heaven!"
> >
> > "No gym to work out at?" asked Grizzly.
> > "Notunless you want to," was the answer.
> > "No testing my sugar or blood pressure or..." "Never again," replied
> > St. Peter.
> >
> > Grizzly glared at Trail Dust and said, "You and your Bran Flakes DIET.
> > We couldhave been here........ ten years ago!"
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > Your obedient servant and trail knave,
> > Switchback the Trail Pirate
> > "May the Forest be With You"
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 08:27:45 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] rural verses urban
> To: jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning,
>
> If ?dirtier lives? is a good thing, hikers should live a very long time:
>
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443686004577633400584241864.html
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 1:44 PM, jack kendrick
> <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>wrote:
>
> > Many years ago I read of a study where military personal from urban and
> > rural areas were compared as to their respective state of health while in
> > the service. Those from the rural areas were more frequently sick than
> > those from the urban areas. So make what you will of this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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