[pct-l] Using bleach to treat water. What's the ratio of bleach to a liter of water.?
Scott Sprenger
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Thu Mar 15 20:58:01 CDT 2012
Hike on,
Scott
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> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:18:04 -0700
> From: joseph kisner <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Triple Crown Attempt by Coyote Rob
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> In Section A this last Saturday, I met several Thru-Hikers, getting an early start on the trail. One in particular was Coyote Rob. He is attempting on Thru Hiking the Calendar Triple Crown. He has a tight schedule of 90 days for each trail, and is being quite public with his attempt. You can find his Web Site at robbysride.org. This will lead you to his long distant bicycle page that has a link to his Triple Crown Attempt. There are some quite interesting info about his gear and such.
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> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:25:19 -0600
> From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Two Feet and a Heartbeat: Oregon
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> Heyo-
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> Just a shout out to say that Two Feet and a Heartbeart: Oregon is finally
> up on youtube. This one was hard to make, because I wanted nothing more but
> to be back there- o the memories. Oregon was just toooo good.
>
> If you plan to hike the PCT in the future, hiked in the past, or just love
> the trail, give it a watch!
>
> http://youtu.be/DtByAKFq5MU
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> Thanks!
>
> And remember, Hike on my friends,
>
> Lighthouse
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:14:36 -0700
> From: Josh Hart <thejoshhartproject at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
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> Subject; Layers/Clothing
>
> I've been following the PCT-L for nearly two years. It's a daily read for
> me. Last fall I was able to do some solo section hiking in Oregon,
> southbound in September and northbound in October, meeting a dozen or so
> thru's. Elk Lake to Crater Lake
>
> Last fall was the first time I had ever gone backpacking, ever. My gear is
> improving in the direction of UL. I'm hoping you might share your typical
> hiking wardrobe as I would like to not under or over pack if I decide to
> meet up at the KO this year.
>
> What do you wear and what do you put in the pack to stay dry and warm/cool?
> Base Layers, Pants, Jacket, Hats/ Umbrellas/ Rain Gear, Socks, etc.
> (brands/product recommendations)
>
> How insulated should my jacket be? 600/700/800/900 down fill?
>
>
> Thanks & Happy Hiking
>
> Josh (No Trail Name) Hart
> Bend, OR
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> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:
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>> 3. Re: alternative to bread? (sabra985)
>> 4. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Jim Banks)
>> 5. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Halfmile)
>> 6. Carry a 6" straw or two....... (Pat Wormington)
>> 7. Re: Carry a 6" straw or two....... (CHUCK CHELIN)
>> 8. Warner Springs (Len Glassner)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?/Lunch foods.
>> To: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
>> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>> Gideon,
>> First, I will say that I am not married to bread. I am quite versatile as
>> to what I eat on the trail. A thought that has crossed my mind is- why not
>> just get your starch at dinner rather than at lunch? I do eat starchy foods
>> as an important part of dinners. For lunches I eat various kinds of energy
>> bars, various kinds of nuts and also various kinds of dried fruits. Also
>> cheese - I have found that the?the BabyBels (I bring three of the
>> flavors)?will keep for weeks and even months?without refrigeration. Another
>> cheese that I have become aware of recently is sold by Stater Bros. Super
>> Markets. It is their brand.?It is sliced and individually packaged in 3/4
>> oz sealed packages. I have been rodent?testing it now, unrefrigerated,?for
>> nearly two months?with no apparent changes. It is still delicious. Another
>> lunch food that I have also been testing is the Mountain House Beef Jerky
>> sold by Costco. It is available in a 12-pack - each weighing 1.25 oz. With
>> lunches, I often include Tang as a drink.?Please understand that my
>> rodent testing is of the packaging material, not the food. Break open the
>> package and the rats and mice will eat the food. The packaging must be of
>> the same kind of plastic used to make the OPSaks - which let no food smells
>> out. I have previously?tested many other pre-packaged foods this same way.
>> I will soon run another series of tests, and this time will document with
>> dated pictures that will be taken during several weeks. There will be other
>> unprotected foods there too. These will, of course, be eaten. You will also
>> see rodent turds in the pictures. What I have learned from previous tests
>> is that UNpackaged foods stored in ZipLock freezer bags and Food-Saver
>> freezer bags can be detected and eaten by rodents.
>> Only OPSaks have passed my tests. As for crackers, which are dry,
>> lightweight, and starchy - why not just hang them, in a small net bag,
>> outside your pack?
>> ?
>> MendoRider-Hiker
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:40 PM
>> Subject: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>>
>> Hi to all
>>
>> In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my lunch as
>> my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
>> (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread for 4
>> days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf). I then
>> carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots of
>> space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go moldy
>> pretty quickly.
>>
>> Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for lunch
>> and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
>> nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation prior
>> to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Gideon
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:21:54 -0400
>> From: <juma3 at cox.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] socal route finding
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>> If the trail turns sharply and steeply up, becomes a foot deep trench, or
>> there is no horse crap within a quarter mile,
>> you may be off the trail. check your map/gps.
>>
>> juma
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:06:02 -0400
>> From: sabra985 <sabra985 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Cc: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
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>> I've used the Flat Out Bread, which is usually found somewhere near the
>> bakery/deli section of the grocery store. I think there are usually six to
>> a pack.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi to all
>>>>
>>>> In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my lunch
>> as
>>>> my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
>>>> (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread for 4
>>>> days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf). I
>>> then
>>>> carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots
>> of
>>>> space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go moldy
>>>> pretty quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for
>>> lunch
>>>> and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
>>>> nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation
>> prior
>>>> to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Gideon
>>>>
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:51 -0700
>> From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>> To: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, "'joseph kisner'"
>> <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>> Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner Springs
>> Ranch company filed for bankruptcy. See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
>> News
>> website for details.
>>
>> I-Beam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
>> To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>
>> Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the resort
>> (actually they originally owned the land). It is closed for complete
>> remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
>> remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays). If someone has
>> actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
>> actuality. This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
>> closing.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: joseph kisner
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>
>>
>> I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to be
>> permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case it
>> has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this out
>> from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be there
>> much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal, and I
>> am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
>> purchase
>>
>> of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
>> like
>>
>> everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:45:48 -0700
>> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>> To: Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, joseph kisner <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
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>> Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of details other than this
>> is from my PCT News twitter feed last week:
>> https://twitter.com/#!/pctnews/status/178205901239488512
>>
>> -Halfmile
>> www.pctmap.net
>> www.pctnews.com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner
>> Springs
>>> Ranch company filed for bankruptcy. ?See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
>> News
>>> website for details.
>>>
>>> I-Beam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
>> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>>> On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
>>> To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>>
>>> Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the
>> resort
>>> (actually they originally owned the land). ?It is closed for complete
>>> remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
>>> remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays). ?If someone has
>>> actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
>>> actuality. ?This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
>> closing.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: joseph kisner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>>
>>>
>>> ? I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to be
>>> permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case it
>>> has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this out
>>> from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be
>> there
>>> much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal,
>> and I
>>> am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
>> purchase
>>>
>>> of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
>> like
>>>
>>> everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:57:04 -0700
>> From: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>> This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type) for
>> diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must. I carry two
>> because you will run into people who have none and you will have to wait
>> around for other hikers to use yours. There was a water trough with
>> dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
>> the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar. No frog
>> water for me!!
>>
>> Jollylopper
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> 57 Year Old Looks 27
>> Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:19 -0700
>> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
>> To: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <CABc=HN=9VQLOsM688rO9BudZzTqbraNtMt3PrSfWX+B5w2Kq2g at mail.gmail.com
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>> Good morning, Jollylopper,
>>
>> That?s a good idea. I use a little, plastic Jello Pudding cup for the same
>> basic purpose: To dip water out of small trickles, depressions, and
>> shallow runs. http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264360
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type) for
>>> diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must. I carry two
>>> because you will run into people who have none and you will have to wait
>>> around for other hikers to use yours. There was a water trough with
>>> dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
>>> the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar. No frog
>>> water for me!!
>>>
>>> Jollylopper
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> 57 Year Old Looks 27
>>> Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:25:29 -0700
>> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs
>> To: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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>> quick search finds this:
>>
>>
>> http://www.sddt.com/Law/article.cfm?Sourcecode=20120305czc&_t=Warner+Springs+Ranch+files+Chapter+11+after+sale+frustrated
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:16:19 -0700
> From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sawyer Water Filter Adapter SP110
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net, John Abela <abela at johnabela.com>, "John T.
> Smith" <johntsmith at sawyerproducts.com>
> Message-ID: <20120314171619.8QQUP.22372.root at fed1rmwml105>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> John, Well then the research is in error. The 3 major brands use a larger diametet drinking tube.
> Thumper aka dofdear
> ---- "John T. Smith" <johntsmith at sawyerproducts.com> wrote:
>> Our research showed that of the different size tubes used on hydration
>> bladders the 1/4" ID was the most common. That size is what we design
>> the kit to fit. At this time we are not offering a kit for the larger
>> size tubes.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan C. aka Thumper [mailto:dofdear at cox.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:05 PM
>> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net; John Abela
>> Cc: feedback; John T. Smith
>> Subject: Sawyer Water Filter Adapter SP110 [sls]
>>
>> Previously on the list and in John's blog there was discussion regarding
>> the potential to use the Sawyer Water Filter with an in-line adapter
>> set. This is their "INLINE HYDRATION PACK ADAPTERS FOR SAWYER SCREW ON
>> FILTER, SP110. I promised to report back my findings.
>>
>> I'm sad to report that the adapters are generic barbs and will not
>> iterface with any quick disconnect or standard hoses used in today's
>> drinking tubes. The intent of the SP110 is to cut your existing
>> drinking tube hose and slide the barbs into each cut end. The problem
>> is that barb's diameter is to small to create a seal (by about half)
>> after insertion into the cut hose end.
>>
>> I recommend you not try this in-line method until a properly fitting
>> adapter is available.
>>
>> One use for the female aportion of the adapter would be to use it with
>> the squeeze bag and push clean water through the drinking tube into your
>> bladder. In addition to the Sawyer Adapter you will need a short lenght
>> of tubing and quick disconnet that works with your drinking tube. I
>> currently have used this setup to use a filter pump to push clean water
>> through the drinking tube into the bladder. My whole goal in this is to
>> not have to remove the bladder from the pack.
>>
>> Not all drinking tubes have this type of setup. As an example, I use
>> the military version of the Camelbak bladder with drinking tube. My son
>> uses the non-Mil type. My bite valve can be removed from the drinking
>> tube via a quick disconnect and could be adapted to the Sawyer filter as
>> described above. The non-Mil type does not use quick disconnects hense
>> it is not adaptable.
>>
>> I've copied Saywer Customer Service on this post and hopefully they
>> will consider an adapter set that will quick disconnect with the
>> existing bladders and another adapter set, while barbed, will be of the
>> correct diameter to adapt to the drinking tubes.
>>
>> Thumper aka dofdear
>>
>> What could be easily
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:26:29 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ADMIN NOTE: please trim the digest before you reply
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> if you receive the list in digest, PLEASE trim the text when you reply
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> We don't need the digests getting really, really long.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:43:45 -0700
> From: "edjarrett at msn.com" <edjarrett at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Triple Crown Attempt by Coyote Rob
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> I read his blog. Don't give him much of a chance of getting all three.
> But who knows, he may surprise me.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: joseph kisner <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 20:18:04 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [pct-l] Triple Crown Attempt by Coyote Rob
>
>
> In Section A this last Saturday, I met several Thru-Hikers, getting an
> early start on the trail. One in particular was Coyote Rob. He is attempting
> on Thru Hiking the Calendar Triple Crown. He has a tight schedule of 90 days
> for each trail, and is being quite public with his attempt. You can find his
> Web Site at robbysride.org. This will lead you to his long distant bicycle
> page that has a link to his Triple Crown Attempt. There are some quite
> interesting info about his gear and such.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:43:32 -0700
> From: Rob Rathmann <carcinomad at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Theodolite
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> After seeing the ad for Theodolite in backpacker for several issues i
> finally installed their augmented reality app on my iphone.
>
> Theodolite is a compass, GPS, map, zoom camera, rangefinder, and
> two-axis inclinometer - it overlays real time information about
> position, altitude, bearing, range, and inclination on the iPhone?s
> live camera image.
>
> my review: awesome.
>
> http://hrtapps.com/theodolite/
>
> bearcan't
>
> --
> my 2005 walk from mexico to canada: http://bearcant.org/
> my photos: http://www.pbase.com/carcinomad/
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:40:22 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Triple Crown Attempt by Coyote Rob
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001201cd0233$716207d0$54261770$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Definitely a "learn as I go" experience (aka the school of very hard
> knocks).
>
> More power to him. Follow your dream, Bob, and best of luck.
>
> Remember, "You will always miss 100% of the shots you don't take".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:44:45 -0600
> From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Two Feet and a Heartbeat: Oregon
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Apparently, the video is blocked in the US on youtube! Bummer-
>
> try here: http://vimeo.com/38529348
>
> As always,
>
> Hike on!
>
> Lighthouse
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:00:30 -0700
> From: J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Buck 30 and White Water
> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <88D22E14-498C-4246-AC5A-3C1634843AB6 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
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> Greetings,
>
> I met Buck 30 at Scissors Crossing in 2004. And again in 2008 at White Water. In 2008, he and his wife were providing hotdogs and hamburgers and sodas to hungry hikers. I want to know if anyone knows how to get in touch with Buck 30 to see if he plans to do something similar this year.
>
> I was day hiking White Water today, and thought that if Buck 30 were not going to angel there this year, I would. I talked with the White Water people today, and they're pleased with the idea. As everyone else who knows them has written, they're friendly, helpful people and have a strong appreciation of the PCT and of hikers.
>
> Walk well,
> J J
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:17:49 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
> To: Josh Hart <thejoshhartproject at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Good afternoon, Josh,
>
> Items that I wear are discusses at:
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263807
>
> Clothing that I carry is at:
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263874
>
> Enjoy your planning,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Josh Hart <thejoshhartproject at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Subject; Layers/Clothing
>>
>> I've been following the PCT-L for nearly two years. It's a daily read for
>> me. Last fall I was able to do some solo section hiking in Oregon,
>> southbound in September and northbound in October, meeting a dozen or so
>> thru's. Elk Lake to Crater Lake
>>
>> Last fall was the first time I had ever gone backpacking, ever. My gear is
>> improving in the direction of UL. I'm hoping you might share your typical
>> hiking wardrobe as I would like to not under or over pack if I decide to
>> meet up at the KO this year.
>>
>> What do you wear and what do you put in the pack to stay dry and warm/cool?
>> Base Layers, Pants, Jacket, Hats/ Umbrellas/ Rain Gear, Socks, etc.
>> (brands/product recommendations)
>>
>> How insulated should my jacket be? 600/700/800/900 down fill?
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Happy Hiking
>>
>> Josh (No Trail Name) Hart
>> Bend, OR
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: alternative to bread?/Lunch foods. (Edward Anderson)
>>> 2. socal route finding (juma3 at cox.net)
>>> 3. Re: alternative to bread? (sabra985)
>>> 4. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Jim Banks)
>>> 5. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Halfmile)
>>> 6. Carry a 6" straw or two....... (Pat Wormington)
>>> 7. Re: Carry a 6" straw or two....... (CHUCK CHELIN)
>>> 8. Warner Springs (Len Glassner)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?/Lunch foods.
>>> To: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
>>> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> Gideon,
>>> First, I will say that I am not married to bread. I am quite versatile as
>>> to what I eat on the trail. A thought that has crossed my mind is- why
>> not
>>> just get your starch at dinner rather than at lunch? I do eat starchy
>> foods
>>> as an important part of dinners. For lunches I eat various kinds of
>> energy
>>> bars, various kinds of nuts and also various kinds of dried fruits. Also
>>> cheese - I have found that the?the BabyBels (I bring three of the
>>> flavors)?will keep for weeks and even months?without refrigeration.
>> Another
>>> cheese that I have become aware of recently is sold by Stater Bros. Super
>>> Markets. It is their brand.?It is sliced and individually packaged in 3/4
>>> oz sealed packages. I have been rodent?testing it now,
>> unrefrigerated,?for
>>> nearly two months?with no apparent changes. It is still delicious.
>> Another
>>> lunch food that I have also been testing is the Mountain House Beef Jerky
>>> sold by Costco. It is available in a 12-pack - each weighing 1.25 oz.
>> With
>>> lunches, I often include Tang as a drink.?Please understand that my
>>> rodent testing is of the packaging material, not the food. Break open the
>>> package and the rats and mice will eat the food. The packaging must be of
>>> the same kind of plastic used to make the OPSaks - which let no food
>> smells
>>> out. I have previously?tested many other pre-packaged foods this same
>> way.
>>> I will soon run another series of tests, and this time will document with
>>> dated pictures that will be taken during several weeks. There will be
>> other
>>> unprotected foods there too. These will, of course, be eaten. You will
>> also
>>> see rodent turds in the pictures. What I have learned from previous tests
>>> is that UNpackaged foods stored in ZipLock freezer bags and Food-Saver
>>> freezer bags can be detected and eaten by rodents.
>>> Only OPSaks have passed my tests. As for crackers, which are dry,
>>> lightweight, and starchy - why not just hang them, in a small net bag,
>>> outside your pack?
>>> ?
>>> MendoRider-Hiker
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:40 PM
>>> Subject: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>>>
>>> Hi to all
>>>
>>> In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my lunch as
>>> my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
>>> (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread for 4
>>> days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf). I
>> then
>>> carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots of
>>> space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go moldy
>>> pretty quickly.
>>>
>>> Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for
>> lunch
>>> and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
>>> nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation prior
>>> to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Gideon
>>>
>>> PS: feel free to reply off list too
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:21:54 -0400
>>> From: <juma3 at cox.net>
>>> Subject: [pct-l] socal route finding
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Message-ID: <20120314102154.5PFYR.587106.imail at eastrmwml207>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> If the trail turns sharply and steeply up, becomes a foot deep trench, or
>>> there is no horse crap within a quarter mile,
>>> you may be off the trail. check your map/gps.
>>>
>>> juma
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:06:02 -0400
>>> From: sabra985 <sabra985 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>>> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Cc: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>> CAKrd9Jt1tdEAmOJCVFhEdNkK+29FH23NY4qnOweMKYhadZorDg at mail.gmail.com
>>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> I've used the Flat Out Bread, which is usually found somewhere near the
>>> bakery/deli section of the grocery store. I think there are usually six
>> to
>>> a pack.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi to all
>>>>>
>>>>> In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my
>> lunch
>>> as
>>>>> my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
>>>>> (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread
>> for 4
>>>>> days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf).
>> I
>>>> then
>>>>> carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots
>>> of
>>>>> space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go
>> moldy
>>>>> pretty quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for
>>>> lunch
>>>>> and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
>>>>> nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation
>>> prior
>>>>> to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Gideon
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: feel free to reply off list too
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:51 -0700
>>> From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>> To: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, "'joseph kisner'"
>>> <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Message-ID: <001601cd01f8$4738e2c0$d5aaa840$@rr.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner
>> Springs
>>> Ranch company filed for bankruptcy. See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
>>> News
>>> website for details.
>>>
>>> I-Beam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
>> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>>> On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
>>> To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>>
>>> Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the
>> resort
>>> (actually they originally owned the land). It is closed for complete
>>> remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
>>> remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays). If someone has
>>> actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
>>> actuality. This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
>>> closing.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: joseph kisner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>>
>>>
>>> I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to be
>>> permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case it
>>> has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this out
>>> from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be
>> there
>>> much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal,
>> and I
>>> am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
>>> purchase
>>>
>>> of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
>>> like
>>>
>>> everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
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>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:45:48 -0700
>>> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>> To: Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
>>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, joseph kisner <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>> CAJC9zk5pztTvHHTC9PXuFiRD6MVZpM6JJGL22LDtUo35H6CTBg at mail.gmail.com
>>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of details other than this
>>> is from my PCT News twitter feed last week:
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/pctnews/status/178205901239488512
>>>
>>> -Halfmile
>>> www.pctmap.net
>>> www.pctnews.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner
>>> Springs
>>>> Ranch company filed for bankruptcy. ?See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
>>> News
>>>> website for details.
>>>>
>>>> I-Beam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
>>> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
>>>> To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>>>
>>>> Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the
>>> resort
>>>> (actually they originally owned the land). ?It is closed for complete
>>>> remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
>>>> remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays). ?If someone has
>>>> actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
>>>> actuality. ?This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
>>> closing.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: joseph kisner
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
>>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ? I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to
>> be
>>>> permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case
>> it
>>>> has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this
>> out
>>>> from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be
>>> there
>>>> much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal,
>>> and I
>>>> am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
>>> purchase
>>>>
>>>> of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
>>> like
>>>>
>>>> everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:57:04 -0700
>>> From: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
>>> Subject: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Message-ID: <4F60BFD0.1000200 at netzero.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type) for
>>> diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must. I carry two
>>> because you will run into people who have none and you will have to wait
>>> around for other hikers to use yours. There was a water trough with
>>> dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
>>> the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar. No frog
>>> water for me!!
>>>
>>> Jollylopper
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> 57 Year Old Looks 27
>>> Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:19 -0700
>>> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
>>> To: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
>>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CABc=HN=
>> 9VQLOsM688rO9BudZzTqbraNtMt3PrSfWX+B5w2Kq2g at mail.gmail.com
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Good morning, Jollylopper,
>>>
>>> That?s a good idea. I use a little, plastic Jello Pudding cup for the
>> same
>>> basic purpose: To dip water out of small trickles, depressions, and
>>> shallow runs. http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264360
>>>
>>> Steel-Eye
>>>
>>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>>
>>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>>>
>>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type)
>> for
>>>> diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must. I carry two
>>>> because you will run into people who have none and you will have to
>> wait
>>>> around for other hikers to use yours. There was a water trough with
>>>> dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
>>>> the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar. No frog
>>>> water for me!!
>>>>
>>>> Jollylopper
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>> 57 Year Old Looks 27
>>>> Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
>>>>
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:25:29 -0700
>>> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs
>>> To: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>> CAGoF7f2GY5jXbb6rrswXxU-f2ZortshQXgA8SRAogvBzsx84kA at mail.gmail.com
>>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> quick search finds this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.sddt.com/Law/article.cfm?Sourcecode=20120305czc&_t=Warner+Springs+Ranch+files+Chapter+11+after+sale+frustrated
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:20:20 -0700
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Triple Crown Attempt by Coyote Rob
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4DD5FF3DC2F04DC9B7C1520508BBAC75 at S0029439031>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> I remember hearing the same said all along the trail about Squeaky when he
> started in May 2005. He succeeded by hiking each trail completely through,
> pure,no sectioning, and finishing the AT in very very late Decemeber.
> Squeaky shaved about 60 days off of Flyin Brian's first Triple.. More power
> to Coyote Rob and this is a good year to go for it. The Triple Calendar is
> beyond my comprehension, and anyone (only2! sofar), is seeking a full year
> of trail pain and a once in a lifetime adventure!
> ~~
> I read his blog. Don't give him much of a chance of getting all three.
> But who knows, he may surprise me.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:24:32 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CALV1NzkgKNZx-meABVp7YTdacJELtf458c-jiCi18vkLpPi08Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Dude,
>
> did you REALLY have to copy all 600 lines of the digest that for your
> 6 line reply?????
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:17 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
>> Good afternoon, Josh,
>>
>> Items that I wear are discusses at:
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263807
>>
>> Clothing that I carry is at:
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263874
>>
>> Enjoy your planning,
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:01:36 -0700
> From: Seth Jacobs <jacobs.sethf at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 16
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAJ501XB1Qeqge9E9B94_mXPcUHyp7yRVBqx+Gjy6h6rx0BzvAw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I'm going to make this receipe. Anybody know the why of step 11 (boiling
> the bread in a bag)?
>
>
>
>>
>>> Thanks giniajim
>>>
>>> The recipe is here: http://bit.ly/bnVwpt
>>>
>>> I am eating this bread every day, so I would like to eat this on the
>>> trail. one loaf of bread weighs around 2 kg. It is enough for 1 week's
>>> breakfast and lunch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:10:44 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 16
> To: Seth Jacobs <jacobs.sethf at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAMCqdRvhgZiP6BSH5DhomtbWHNKoqFCbURFLcXe6Wo-CEMH=wA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP
>
> Dear Seth
>
> I am sorry. The translation of cooking was very difficult for me. So,
> I omitted the explanation.
>
> It is for the preservation at the normal temperature. If you
> completely sealed the bread and killed all the bacteria, the taste of
> bread will be maintained for several months.
>
>
> Additional explanation
>
> I usually use:
>
> dry yeast - one large spoon. if you use more yeast, the fermentation
> will be facilitated. The amount of yeast only related to fermentation
> speed.
>
> sugar - I may use 100 cc. It only related to fermentation speed. if
> you use more sugar, the fermentation will be facilitated.
>
> honey - I may use 50 --100cc. The amount of honey related to the
> sweetness. No other side effect. If you love sweet bread, you may use
> more honey.
>
> olive oil - I may use 50-100cc. The amount of olive oil related to
> total calories. If you use more oil, you can get more high energy
> bread, but you may feel difficulties to eat bread.
>
>
>
> 2012/3/15 Seth Jacobs <jacobs.sethf at gmail.com>:
>> I'm going to make this receipe. Anybody know the why of step 11 (boiling
>> the bread in a bag)?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks giniajim
>>>>
>>>> The recipe is here: http://bit.ly/bnVwpt
>>>>
>>>> I am eating this bread every day, so I would like to eat this on the
>>>> trail. one loaf of bread weighs around 2 kg. It is enough for 1 week's
>>>> breakfast and lunch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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> --------------- --------------------------------------
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:41:44 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
> To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAMCqdRu+Zv5uxHtxzo2fCQmNjy29MDDZa6vMEkZTSr26ZE4PuA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP
>
> Dear Brick
>
> It is a default value of the Gmail settings.
> Gmail automatically copy previous sentences, and it also automatically
> hide the copied sentences when it was received from other person.
>
>
>
> 2012/3/15 Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>:
>> Dude,
>>
>> did you REALLY have to copy all 600 lines of the digest that for your
>> 6 line reply?????
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:17 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
>>> Good afternoon, Josh,
>>>
>>> Items that I wear are discusses at:
>>> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263807
>>>
>>> Clothing that I carry is at:
>>> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263874
>>>
>>> Enjoy your planning,
>>>
>>> Steel-Eye
>>>
>>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT - 1965
>>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami ???? )
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> Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
> Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> JMT, 2009, 2010, 2011(half).
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:55:10 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
> To: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CALV1NznUVz+gFiXt5eW_g6PgnyH1nT7ugPUGoNJMBZHO8XnCHg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> 2012/3/14 Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>:
>> ?It is a default value of the Gmail settings.
>> Gmail automatically copy previous sentences, and it also automatically
>> hide the copied sentences when it was received from other person.
>
> First of all, not everyone is using Gmail
>
> Second, even if you ARE using gmail, it is easy to expand the message
> and delete the useless text. For example, I am using Gmail right now,
> and I deleted the stuff from your post that didn't apply to this
> reply.
>
> Third, it is polite to do so. HYOH but be polite.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:14:10 -0700
> From: ruffwork <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] SPOT 2 for sale - $25 via paypal
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <98AE627C-6BED-4BB0-B841-EA1DBA415E9D at ruffwork.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I've got a Spot 2 - Orange with the 4 buttons, uses 3 AAA instead of 4 AA or 2 AA - for sale. I have used it almost every day for the past year or so - it works fine - if you can't use paypal then sorry as that is my mode of pay...
>
> Contact me first and I'll let you know about the payment method....best if you use your PayPal email account to contact me, please...
>
> I'm using a Spot Connect now...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:40:49 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
> Message-ID: <4F6164C1.6030407 at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> I got the idea after reading Steel-Eye's idea. I just cut the bottom
> portion off of a 1/2 liter bottled water bottle and use it. Flexible and
> sturdy; and it conveniently nests inside my 300ml titanium cup.
>
> Can't beat it with a stick.
>
> Tortoise
>
> Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
> President John F Kennedy, 1962
>
> All content is copyrighted. Reproduction or use elsewhere is is expressly prohibited without the express permission of the author. Use within the PCT-list is permitted.
>
>
> On 2012.03.14 09:12, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
>> Good morning, Jollylopper,
>>
>> That?s a good idea. I use a little, plastic Jello Pudding cup for the same
>> basic purpose: To dip water out of small trickles, depressions, and
>> shallow runs. http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264360
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pat Wormington<airecrew at netzero.net>wrote:
>>
>>> This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type) for
>>> diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must. I carry two
>>> because you will run into people who have none and you will have to wait
>>> around for other hikers to use yours. There was a water trough with
>>> dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
>>> the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar. No frog
>>> water for me!!
>>>
>>> Jollylopper
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> 57 Year Old Looks 27
>>> Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:15:03 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAD-wsevtsUAXM2KSiMVSmoYAXdAVbxp6oxdq6MuRr2nr9cpkpg at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> I also found rice cakes to be a poor choice - too much volume with no
> calories. I did find that I could take a box of Ritz crackers and just
> shove them in my pack without giving it any thought and never break them.
> The key is to leave them in the flimsy cardboard box they come in. I think
> it is the way they they are stacked that they hold up really well. By the
> time I've eaten the last cracker the box looked like it went through World
> War III but the crackers never broke (okay I think in about 10 boxes I may
> have broke 2 or 3 crackers). I still can't believe how well these hold up
> on the trail.
>
> Day-Late
>
>
>
>
>> .
>> One of the poorest packing densities is with puffed rice cakes. They are
>> fine only if Calorie density isn?t a problem. Considering their
>> inefficient shape and their low density, just imagine how many
>> Calories-worth of rice cakes can be packed into a bear ?can.
>>
>> ..
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:21:23 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4F616E43.7080008 at olc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Goldfish... Lots of salt, fat and carbs, and some protein. 55 crackers
> an ounce - not bad!!! Now I bet someone's going to say they're empty
> calories or something. This is COMFORT food!!!
>
> LOL Jeff...
> *
> Nutrition Facts**
>
> Amount per Serving (serving size) = 55 pieces
>
> * Calories 140
> * Fat Calories 45
> * Total Fat 5g
> * Sat. Fat 1g
> * Trans Fat 0g
> * Polyunsat. Fat 1.5g
> * Monounsat. Fat 2.5g
> * Cholesterol < 5mg
> * Sodium 250mg
> * Total Carb. 20g
>
> * Dietary Fiber < 1g
> * Sugars < 1g
> * Protein 4g
> *
>
> * *% Daily Values***
> * Vitamin A 0%
> * Vitamin C 0%
> * Calcium 4%
> * Iron 2%
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:51:17 -0700
> From: Cliff Mettier <cliffmet1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Seeking PCT hikers in Sonoma County
> To: PCT List <PCT-L at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CAEVDzmA2N4WEfKiQyTD-CehkzgWHYaPkqhXsH6=KH27CaQVgPQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> My name is Cliff. I'm doing a lot of hiking in Sonoma County. I'd like to
> find some hiking companions nearby. Also, I'd like to meet face to face
> with anyone who has hiked the trail in the past. Look forward to meeting
> you.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Tim <mgi1984 at motorola.com> wrote:
>
>> What is the best topo mapping software for the PC?
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:55:48 -0700
> From: sauntrer at gmail.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Hitchhiking ticket
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <923427C0-22FF-4A4D-BCE6-5FA6C62FA5FB at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I'm on the Arizona Trail and just got a ticket for hitchhiking. Does anyone have any experience or advice on how to get out of this?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:44:49 -0500
> From: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CALKWR3mesYYx_XUohH9neFTSEoT_OPUfiDJXeh5NBXFOuuupRA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hey Josh,
>
> I'll be going UL this year (sub 8 lbs.) and this is what's in my pack:
>
> (I'll need to test out this system when my new 40 deg. Nunatak quilt
> arrives on fri. but this is what I'm carrying with a 32 deg. Western
> Mountaineering Hi-lite)
>
> 3 Thorlo coolmax ankle socks - 1 worn, 1 drying on pack, 1 for sleep
> Exofficio Ziwa pant - worn/occasional sleep
> Arkteryx incendo short - worn/sleep/laundry(town)
> 2 Icebreaker 150 Ultralight Merino wool shirts - 1 worn, 1 drying on
> pack/sleep on warm nights (still debating taking the second shirt)
> Arkteryx Rhino merino wool base layer top - sleep/ I wear this for first
> hour of the day, changing/drying when the sun comes up
> Montbell Silk Weight merino bottoms - sleep/ I'll wear for the first half
> of day in the Sierra if cold, being sure to leave time to dry before night
> REi Ball Cap
> 2 bandannas
> Smartwool liner gloves
> Mountain Hardware balaclava
> Patagonia Nano Puff pullover synthetic jacket
> Montaine Wind Shirt
> Go-lite Chrome Dome umbrella
> 2/3 length Z-Rest
> Polycro ground sheet
> Spin-Twin tarp
> I also have my gal Molasses for warmth at night
>
> The second teeshirt and shorts are a redundancy, but at 5oz for the both I
> find that I use them enough to justify the added weight.
>
> As far as down goes: I alway buy 800+, preferring 900+ when available and I
> can afford it. My gear list is definitely on the expensive side but most
> all of these items have been bought over the past five years - one piece at
> a time. My new piece of gear for this year is a Nunatak Arc Edge quilt
> system; not cheap but when it comes to down you're always better off
> spending the extra cash fer the comfort. If I were to use a 600 fill bag I
> would need to carry a larger backpack to accommodate the much larger stuff
> size of the bag and the additional weight.
>
> If you can make it down to K.O. it's a great place to test your
> clothing/sleep system as the mornings at Lake Moreno are likely to be the
> coldest you'll spend on the trail.
>
> hope this helps,
> Jackass
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Josh Hart <thejoshhartproject at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Subject; Layers/Clothing
>>
>> I've been following the PCT-L for nearly two years. It's a daily read for
>> me. Last fall I was able to do some solo section hiking in Oregon,
>> southbound in September and northbound in October, meeting a dozen or so
>> thru's. Elk Lake to Crater Lake
>>
>> Last fall was the first time I had ever gone backpacking, ever. My gear is
>> improving in the direction of UL. I'm hoping you might share your typical
>> hiking wardrobe as I would like to not under or over pack if I decide to
>> meet up at the KO this year.
>>
>> What do you wear and what do you put in the pack to stay dry and warm/cool?
>> Base Layers, Pants, Jacket, Hats/ Umbrellas/ Rain Gear, Socks, etc.
>> (brands/product recommendations)
>>
>> How insulated should my jacket be? 600/700/800/900 down fill?
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Happy Hiking
>>
>> Josh (No Trail Name) Hart
>> Bend, OR
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:01:05 -0400
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <8666C48345274D1A82E99DB9F27016DB at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Goldfish are great but they are indeed empty in more ways than one: they
> take up a lot of volume. Someone might want to do a volumetric analysis of
> breads and bread alternatives. :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>
>
>> Goldfish... Lots of salt, fat and carbs, and some protein. 55 crackers
>> an ounce - not bad!!! Now I bet someone's going to say they're empty
>> calories or something. This is COMFORT food!!!
>>
>> LOL Jeff...
>> *
>> Nutrition Facts**
>>
>> Amount per Serving (serving size) = 55 pieces
>>
>> * Calories 140
>> * Fat Calories 45
>> * Total Fat 5g
>> * Sat. Fat 1g
>> * Trans Fat 0g
>> * Polyunsat. Fat 1.5g
>> * Monounsat. Fat 2.5g
>> * Cholesterol < 5mg
>> * Sodium 250mg
>> * Total Carb. 20g
>>
>> * Dietary Fiber < 1g
>> * Sugars < 1g
>> * Protein 4g
>> *
>>
>> * *% Daily Values***
>> * Vitamin A 0%
>> * Vitamin C 0%
>> * Calcium 4%
>> * Iron 2%
>>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:02:41 -0400
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: "David Thibault" <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <AA9E0DB397434BBEA6E746B95CDD9B91 at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I'm a big cracker hound. I wish there were some good, whole-grain and dense
> (!) crackers out there on the market.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Thibault" <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>
>
>> I also found rice cakes to be a poor choice - too much volume with no
>> calories. I did find that I could take a box of Ritz crackers and just
>> shove them in my pack without giving it any thought and never break them.
>> The key is to leave them in the flimsy cardboard box they come in. I
>> think
>> it is the way they they are stacked that they hold up really well. By the
>> time I've eaten the last cracker the box looked like it went through World
>> War III but the crackers never broke (okay I think in about 10 boxes I may
>> have broke 2 or 3 crackers). I still can't believe how well these hold up
>> on the trail.
>>
>> Day-Late
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> .
>>> One of the poorest packing densities is with puffed rice cakes. They are
>>> fine only if Calorie density isn?t a problem. Considering their
>>> inefficient shape and their low density, just imagine how many
>>> Calories-worth of rice cakes can be packed into a bear ?can.
>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:12:32 -0400
> From: sabra985 <sabra985 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] hitchhiking in general
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: sauntrer at gmail.com
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I just went to this website out of curiosity, considering the plight of the
> recent poster on the Arizona Trail:
>
> http://www.hitchhiker.50megs.com/custom.html
>
> California
>
> Code 21957
>
> No person shall stand in a roadway for the purpose of soliciting a ride
> from the driver of any vehicle.
>
> The way I read the California statute, attempting to hitch a ride is
> illegal. Have there been PCT'ers ticketed like this in CA? I'm sure that
> local police are aware of the trail running near their jurisdictions - I
> seem to remember a cop even passing me as I was trying to get back to the
> trail in Mojave (and he didn't bother me).
>
> If it were I, I would go before the judge and try to explain my situation -
> that I'm walking a long-distance trail etc. I once vastly reduced the fine
> of a speeding ticket (from $250 to $25) (shortly after the AT, I was moving
> my stuff and was only marginally employed, and I told the judge my weekly
> income and how I'd just gotten off the trail etc etc - she was actually
> very sympathetic).
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:15:57 -0700
> From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hitchhiking in general
> To: "sabra985" <sabra985 at gmail.com>, "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: sauntrer at gmail.com
> Message-ID: <765C122E7D84447EA6CAA73AE25C4A76 at RonPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
> In general, I would recommend standing well off the pavement so as to not
> become a hazard (to yourself of drivers). Try to hitch only in areas where
> there is sufficient room for drivers to pull off the roadway. Whether legal
> or not, officers are not mandated to issue citations for hitchhiking. The
> less of a hazard you present, the less the chance of a citation.
>
> Now, on a sad note, keep in mind that many local governments are broke and
> looking for ways to generate revenue. If you look at the cost of citations
> now and what they were years ago, it is obvious that the state (California
> at least) is more interested in how much money they can generate rather than
> causing better driving habits (the legislative intent assumed when passing
> traffic laws).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sabra985
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:12 AM
> To: pct-l
> Cc: sauntrer at gmail.com
> Subject: [pct-l] hitchhiking in general
>
> I just went to this website out of curiosity, considering the plight of the
> recent poster on the Arizona Trail:
>
> http://www.hitchhiker.50megs.com/custom.html
>
> California
>
> Code 21957
>
> No person shall stand in a roadway for the purpose of soliciting a ride
> from the driver of any vehicle.
>
> The way I read the California statute, attempting to hitch a ride is
> illegal. Have there been PCT'ers ticketed like this in CA? I'm sure that
> local police are aware of the trail running near their jurisdictions - I
> seem to remember a cop even passing me as I was trying to get back to the
> trail in Mojave (and he didn't bother me).
>
> If it were I, I would go before the judge and try to explain my situation -
> that I'm walking a long-distance trail etc. I once vastly reduced the fine
> of a speeding ticket (from $250 to $25) (shortly after the AT, I was moving
> my stuff and was only marginally employed, and I told the judge my weekly
> income and how I'd just gotten off the trail etc etc - she was actually
> very sympathetic).
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> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:42:42 -0700
> From: Rachel Merrill <roleigh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
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> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:02 AM, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm a big cracker hound. I wish there were some good, whole-grain and
>> dense
>> (!) crackers out there on the market.
>>
>>
>> -----
>>
> I like the Crunchmaster Multi-seed crackers, which Costco sells. They're
> very light weight, taste great, and are crispy and crunchy, good for peanut
> butter, tuna, cheese, etc. Rachel
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:52:09 -0700
> From: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4F620219.6090007 at netzero.net>
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> You can usually set up the straw & bottle and leave it to fill, no hands
> required. Jolly
>
>
> On 3/14/2012 9:12 AM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
>>
>> Good morning, Jollylopper,
>>
>> That?s a good idea. I use a little, plastic Jello Pudding cup for the
>> same basic purpose: To dip water out of small trickles, depressions,
>> and shallow runs. http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264360
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net
>> <mailto:airecrew at netzero.net>> wrote:
>>
>> This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven
>> type) for
>> diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must. I
>> carry two
>> because you will run into people who have none and you will have
>> to wait
>> around for other hikers to use yours. There was a water trough with
>> dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
>> the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar. No frog
>> water for me!!
>>
>> Jollylopper
>> ____________________________________________________________
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> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:53:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
> To: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> "Sub 8 pounds". You do not mention the backpack. How much will it weigh?
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jason M. <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17
>
> Hey Josh,
>
> I'll be going UL this year (sub 8 lbs.) and this is what's in my pack:
>
> (I'll need to test out this system when my new 40 deg. Nunatak quilt
> arrives on fri. but this is what I'm carrying with a 32 deg. Western
> Mountaineering Hi-lite)
>
> 3 Thorlo coolmax ankle socks - 1 worn, 1 drying on pack, 1 for sleep
> Exofficio Ziwa pant - worn/occasional sleep
> Arkteryx incendo short - worn/sleep/laundry(town)
> 2 Icebreaker 150 Ultralight Merino wool shirts - 1 worn, 1 drying on
> pack/sleep on warm nights (still debating taking the second shirt)
> Arkteryx Rhino merino wool base layer top - sleep/ I wear this for first
> hour of the day, changing/drying when the sun comes up
> Montbell Silk Weight merino bottoms - sleep/ I'll wear for the first half
> of day in the Sierra if cold, being sure to leave time to dry before night
> REi Ball Cap
> 2 bandannas
> Smartwool liner gloves
> Mountain Hardware balaclava
> Patagonia Nano Puff pullover synthetic jacket
> Montaine Wind Shirt
> Go-lite Chrome Dome umbrella
> 2/3 length Z-Rest
> Polycro ground sheet
> Spin-Twin tarp
> I also have my gal Molasses for warmth at night
>
> The second teeshirt and shorts are a redundancy, but at 5oz for the both I
> find that I use them enough to justify the added weight.
>
> As far as down goes: I alway buy 800+, preferring 900+ when available and I
> can afford it. My gear list is definitely on the expensive side but most
> all of these items have been bought over the past five years - one piece at
> a time. My new piece of gear for this year is a Nunatak Arc Edge quilt
> system; not cheap but when it comes to down you're always better off
> spending the extra cash fer the comfort. If I were to use a 600 fill bag I
> would need to carry a larger backpack to accommodate the much larger stuff
> size of the bag and the additional weight.
>
> If you can make it down to K.O. it's a great place to test your
> clothing/sleep system as the mornings at Lake Moreno are likely to be the
> coldest you'll spend on the trail.
>
> hope this helps,
> Jackass
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Josh Hart <thejoshhartproject at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Subject; Layers/Clothing
>>
>> I've been following the PCT-L for nearly two years. It's a daily read for
>> me. Last fall I was able to do some solo section hiking in Oregon,
>> southbound in September and northbound in October, meeting a dozen or so
>> thru's. Elk Lake to Crater Lake
>>
>> Last fall was the first time I had ever gone backpacking, ever. My gear is
>> improving in the direction of UL. I'm hoping you might share your typical
>> hiking wardrobe as I would like to not under or over pack if I decide to
>> meet up at the KO this year.
>>
>> What do you wear and what do you put in the pack to stay dry and warm/cool?
>> Base Layers, Pants, Jacket, Hats/ Umbrellas/ Rain Gear, Socks, etc.
>> (brands/product recommendations)
>>
>> How insulated should my jacket be? 600/700/800/900 down fill?
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Happy Hiking
>>
>> Josh (No Trail Name) Hart
>> Bend, OR
>>
>>
>> ? >
>>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:18:43 -0400
> From: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT iphone App update
> To: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> The second section of the PCT iphone app, Guthook's Hiking Guides, is now available in the App Store. This section covers the PCT from Tehachapi to Echo Lake, the entire region of the High Sierra with King's Canyon, Sequoia, and Yosemite national Parks.
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/guthooks-pct-central-california/id509016353?ls=1&mt=8
>
> Paul
>
> HikeThru.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 33
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:45:05 -0500
> From: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> "I'm a big cracker hound. I wish there were some good, whole-grain and
> dense
> (!) crackers out there on the market."
>
> take a look at Wasa crackers...err. they call them "crispbreads";
> wholegrain, many flavors and available in many of the towns along the
> trail, and most supermarkets.
>
> http://www.wasa.com/en/wholegrain-gallery/
>
>
>
> Jackass
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:02 AM, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm a big cracker hound. I wish there were some good, whole-grain and
>> dense
>> (!) crackers out there on the market.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Thibault" <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>>
>>
>>> I also found rice cakes to be a poor choice - too much volume with no
>>> calories. I did find that I could take a box of Ritz crackers and just
>>> shove them in my pack without giving it any thought and never break them.
>>> The key is to leave them in the flimsy cardboard box they come in. I
>>> think
>>> it is the way they they are stacked that they hold up really well. By
>> the
>>> time I've eaten the last cracker the box looked like it went through
>> World
>>> War III but the crackers never broke (okay I think in about 10 boxes I
>> may
>>> have broke 2 or 3 crackers). I still can't believe how well these hold
>> up
>>> on the trail.
>>>
>>> Day-Late
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> .
>>>> One of the poorest packing densities is with puffed rice cakes. They
>> are
>>>> fine only if Calorie density isn?t a problem. Considering their
>>>> inefficient shape and their low density, just imagine how many
>>>> Calories-worth of rice cakes can be packed into a bear ?can.
>>>>
>>
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