[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 54, Issue 24
David Evans
sauntrer at gmail.com
Fri Jun 22 12:40:12 CDT 2012
Bed Bugs at the Dow Villa in Lone Pine!!!!
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> 1. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Jerry Goller)
> 2. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Steven M. Ratner)
> 3. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Jerry Goller)
> 4. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Bob Bankhead)
> 5. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Brick Robbins)
> 6. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (AsABat)
> 7. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Robert E. Riess)
> 8. Cost of a SAR airlift (Ann Marie)
> 9. Re: Cost of a SAR airlift (Lisa Valenti-Jordan)
> 10. Re: Cost of a SAR airlift (Edward Anderson)
> 11. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Eric Lee)
> 12. Cost of a SAR airlift (Ann Marie)
> 13. Re: Cost of a SAR airlift (Lisa Valenti-Jordan)
> 14. Re: Shin splints? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 15. Re: Shin splints? (Jim & Jane Moody)
> 16. Re: Cost of a SAR airlift (Tortoise)
> 17. Re: Shin splints? (Tom Holz)
> 18. Re: Shin splints? (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 19. Looking for a BACKPACK SPEAKER for first weekend in November
> (lcgrconrad at aol.com)
> 20. Re: Shin splints? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 21. Re: Shin splints? (Hikes and Bikes)
> 22. Sawyer inline filter (William Canavan)
> 23. Re: "Death" at Walker Pass (Brick Robbins)
> 24. Noteworth TJs (tom aterno)
> 25. Re: Shin splints and Kinesiotape (Thomas Jamrog)
> 26. Cost of a SAR airlift (CJ & Cristy Miller)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:55:19 -0600
> From: "Jerry Goller" <geartester at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: "'Lindsey Sommer'" <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hmmm. I wonder if that was me. SAR lifted me out 4 or 5 miles short of Robin Bird Spring on the 16th with severe dehydration and kidney failure.
>
> I'm much better now.... =o)
>
> Apparently diabetes and the desert is more challenging than I thought.
>
> Jerry
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Lindsey Sommer
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 22:14
> To: Greg Hummel
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
>
> Wow, good to hear there was no death, BUT hopefully there is good news about the hiker. Thanks for the info.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Apparently the report of a dead hiker at Walker Pass was in error. A woman was airlifted from there and is in the hospital in serious condition. No details yet on what was the cause.
>>
>>
>> Greg Hummel
>>
>>
>>
>> ?Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks in the world?
>> ? Forest Gump
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:36:35 -0700
> From: "Steven M. Ratner" <smr at calelderfirm.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: Jerry Goller <geartester at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Just curious. What does an airlift out of the trail cost? Is it covered
> by health insurance? Or just provided as a free gov't service like calling
> the fire dept.
>
> Steven M. Ratner
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> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jerry Goller <geartester at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Hmmm. I wonder if that was me. SAR lifted me out 4 or 5 miles short of
>> Robin Bird Spring on the 16th with severe dehydration and kidney failure.
>>
>> I'm much better now.... =o)
>>
>> Apparently diabetes and the desert is more challenging than I thought.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
>> reviews on the planet.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of Lindsey Sommer
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 22:14
>> To: Greg Hummel
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
>>
>> Wow, good to hear there was no death, BUT hopefully there is good news
>> about the hiker. Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently the report of a dead hiker at Walker Pass was in error. A
>> woman was airlifted from there and is in the hospital in serious condition.
>> No details yet on what was the cause.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Hummel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks in the world"
>>> -- Forest Gump
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:42:49 -0600
> From: "Jerry Goller" <geartester at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I can't with certainty answer that. I am a 100% disabled vet (lots of things
> involved but I can still backpack, sorta) so costs, if any, will be paid by
> the VA.
>
> I'm sure there will be an ambulance charge and an ER charge. Those will also
> be paid by the VA.
>
> Apparently they have been fairly busy with heat related health issues and I
> wasn't the only one taken out.
>
> Jerry
>
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> From: stevenratner at gmail.com [mailto:stevenratner at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Steven M. Ratner
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:37
> To: Jerry Goller
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
>
> Just curious. What does an airlift out of the trail cost? Is it covered by
> health insurance? Or just provided as a free gov't service like calling the
> fire dept.
>
> Steven M. Ratner
> Law Office of Steven M. Ratner, PC
> 11622 El Camino Real, Ste 100
> San Diego, CA 92130
> 800-836-1124
> 858-408-1890 fax
>
> smr at calelderfirm.com
>
> Our Website:
>
> http://www.calelderfirm.com/
>
>
> Certified as a Specialist by the State Bar of California Board of Legal
> Specialization in Estate Planning, Trust & Probate Law.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jerry Goller <geartester at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> Hmmm. I wonder if that was me. SAR lifted me out 4 or 5 miles short of Robin
> Bird Spring on the 16th with severe dehydration and kidney failure.
>
> I'm much better now.... =o)
>
> Apparently diabetes and the desert is more challenging than I thought.
>
> Jerry
>
> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
> reviews on the planet.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Lindsey Sommer
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 22:14
> To: Greg Hummel
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
>
> Wow, good to hear there was no death, BUT hopefully there is good news about
> the hiker. Thanks for the info.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Apparently the report of a dead hiker at Walker Pass was in error. A
> woman was airlifted from there and is in the hospital in serious condition.
> No details yet on what was the cause.
>>
>>
>> Greg Hummel
>>
>>
>>
>> "Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks in the world"
>> ? Forest Gump
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:26:37 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Walker Pass to Kennedy Meadows can be very hot brutal. Lots of folks
> underestimate it every year. Most of it is uphill. Spanish Needle Creek is
> not reliable.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:25:00 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Steven M. Ratner <smr at calelderfirm.com> wrote:
>> Just curious. ?What does an airlift out of the trail cost? ?Is it covered
>> by health insurance? ?Or just provided as a free gov't service like calling
>> the fire dept.
>
> I believe the airlift cost is covered by what many in the USA would
> call an egregious waste of taxpayer money by our liberal socialist
> nanny government.
>
> Others might have a different opinion.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:27:36 -0700
> From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>,pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <7871fa37-6bb7-43cc-bbee-c0eb58be0d3a at email.android.com>
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> I'm told most SAR would rather get called early for a rescue than late for a body recovery, so their services are no charge.
> I don't know about choppers though. It probably depends if it's a rescue chopper or an air ambulance.
>
>
> AsABat
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>
> Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Steven M. Ratner <smr at calelderfirm.com> wrote:
>> Just curious. What does an airlift out of the trail cost? Is it covered
>> by health insurance? Or just provided as a free gov't service like calling
>> the fire dept.
>
> I believe the airlift cost is covered by what many in the USA would
> call an egregious waste of taxpayer money by our liberal socialist
> nanny government.
>
> Others might have a different opinion.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:52:30 -0700
> From: "Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>, "Brick Robbins"
> <brick at brickrobbins.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 9 years ago my son needed a helicopter ride from a motocross track to the
> trauma center. He had snapped his femur. The cost was $9650 to show up
> plus $75 a minute. He needed paramedics, not SAR. Bob Riess, San Diego
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Steven M. Ratner <smr at calelderfirm.com>
> wrote:
>> Just curious. What does an airlift out of the trail cost? Is it covered
>> by health insurance? Or just provided as a free gov't service like
>> calling
>> the fire dept.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:05:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Yeah, I've been curious about this myself. And it seems I've read 4 journals or articles this year alone of 4 hikers being airlifted this year.
>
> I don't have health insurance, but I'm not thru-hiking. I'll be looking for some coverage before I do my hike in 3 years, if not earlier (I've got a pre-existing condition).
>
> I lived in Arizona (Phoenix) before moving to Oregon and now CA. My father required emergency services one afternoon (in Phoenix) after slipping on the kitchen floor and hearing his thigh bone snap.? He had both primary (Medicare) and secondary (AT&T) insurance coverage. We still got billed for the city services (ambulance - private, and fire - public). I don't remember the exact amount but I think I remember it being over $350.? Probably minor considering today's expenses. I'm amazed that in CA more hikers are not left scrambling and destitute by SAR experiences.? Everyone rescued seems okay with their expenses, while not detailing what those expenses may be for those of us on the sidelines (understandable, since that's private info and maybe embarrassing.) As a California resident and soon-to-be thru-hiker, this is giving me a false sense of welfare security.? And I don't like future surprises, so are you hikers being honest with the rest of us?
> Are your out-of-pocket expenses so low you don't need to mention them?
>
> Yeah, it leaves me as a baby boomer, wondering why anyone pays full health insurance premiums to a private insurance company, if I can be rescued by SAR and pay nothing or little. I don't believe it, but hikers are not being forthcoming with their actual expenses or previous insurance coverage.? Please enlighten us, those of you hikers having gone thru this rescue effort....... I'm pretty sure I need some comprehensive coverage and that you are tapping into it. But this isn't being conveyed on this list.
>
> Deb
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:11:19 -0700
> From: Lisa Valenti-Jordan <valentijordan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
> To: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>, PCT MailingList
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> If you have the spot tracker, they offer coverage for SAR for up to
> $15K for something like 14.99 if I remember correctly. Got it so I
> wouldn't use it...and didn't :).
>
> Puddlejumper
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, I've been curious about this myself. And it seems I've read 4 journals or articles this year alone of 4 hikers being airlifted this year.
>>
>> I don't have health insurance, but I'm not thru-hiking. I'll be looking for some coverage before I do my hike in 3 years, if not earlier (I've got a pre-existing condition).
>>
>> I lived in Arizona (Phoenix) before moving to Oregon and now CA. My father required emergency services one afternoon (in Phoenix) after slipping on the kitchen floor and hearing his thigh bone snap.? He had both primary (Medicare) and secondary (AT&T) insurance coverage. We still got billed for the city services (ambulance - private, and fire - public). I don't remember the exact amount but I think I remember it being over $350.? Probably minor considering today's expenses. I'm amazed that in CA more hikers are not left scrambling and destitute by SAR experiences.? Everyone rescued seems okay with their expenses, while not detailing what those expenses may be for those of us on the sidelines (understandable, since that's private info and maybe embarrassing.) As a California resident and soon-to-be thru-hiker, this is giving me a false sense of welfare security.? And I don't like future surprises, so are you hikers being honest with the rest of us?
>> ?Are your out-of-pocket expenses so low you don't need to mention them?
>>
>> Yeah, it leaves me as a baby boomer, wondering why anyone pays full health insurance premiums to a private insurance company, if I can be rescued by SAR and pay nothing or little. I don't believe it, but hikers are not being forthcoming with their actual expenses or previous insurance coverage.? Please enlighten us, those of you hikers having gone thru this rescue effort....... I'm pretty sure I need some comprehensive coverage and that you are tapping into it. But this isn't being conveyed on this list.
>>
>> Deb
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:18:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
> To: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Check into SPOT. For a very?small annual cost you can subscribe to a helicopter rescue. There is a 911 button that you can press in an emergency. Your 911 request goes out via satelite.
> ?
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:05 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
>
> Yeah, I've been curious about this myself. And it seems I've read 4 journals or articles this year alone of 4 hikers being airlifted this year.
>
> I don't have health insurance, but I'm not thru-hiking. I'll be looking for some coverage before I do my hike in 3 years, if not earlier (I've got a pre-existing condition).
>
> I lived in Arizona (Phoenix) before moving to Oregon and now CA. My father required emergency services one afternoon (in Phoenix) after slipping on the kitchen floor and hearing his thigh bone snap.? He had both primary (Medicare) and secondary (AT&T) insurance coverage. We still got billed for the city services (ambulance - private, and fire - public). I don't remember the exact amount but I think I remember it being over $350.? Probably minor considering today's expenses. I'm amazed that in CA more hikers are not left scrambling and destitute by SAR experiences.? Everyone rescued seems okay with their expenses, while not detailing what those expenses may be for those of us on the sidelines (understandable, since that's private info and maybe embarrassing.) As a California resident and soon-to-be thru-hiker, this is giving me a false sense of welfare security.? And I don't like future surprises, so are you hikers being honest with the rest of us?
> Are your out-of-pocket expenses so low you don't need to mention them?
>
> Yeah, it leaves me as a baby boomer, wondering why anyone pays full health insurance premiums to a private insurance company, if I can be rescued by SAR and pay nothing or little. I don't believe it, but hikers are not being forthcoming with their actual expenses or previous insurance coverage.? Please enlighten us, those of you hikers having gone thru this rescue effort....... I'm pretty sure I need some comprehensive coverage and that you are tapping into it. But this isn't being conveyed on this list.
>
> Deb
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:29:03 -0700
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: "'Steven M. Ratner'" <smr at calelderfirm.com>, "'Jerry Goller'"
> <geartester at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Steven wrote:
>>
> Just curious. What does an airlift out of the trail cost? Is it covered by
> health insurance? Or just provided as a free gov't service like calling the
> fire dept.
>>
>
> It depends on your location and your circumstances. Most SAR airlifts are a
> free service, but not always. If they're not free then then they can be
> catastrophically expensive. You can purchase specific SAR insurance that's
> supposed to cover any costs you may happen to incur.
>
> I know here in Washington SAR is mostly volunteer-run and airlifts are
> usually provided by the National Guard who doesn't charge for the service
> because their pilots need flight hours anyway so they figure they might as
> well burn the fuel doing something useful. Other areas may have different
> policies.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Re: spot coverage
>
> I get that the Spot provides airlift coverage with the paid subscription.
>
> What about the coverage for the extra services....are fire trucks and ambulances that come out to the trail head also covered (if any do....)? Sheriff services are fully covered - no separate local or county bill?
>
> Those hikers who have actually used the Spot services are stipulating that all rescue services up to admittance to a hospital are covered by SAR insurance?? Is Spot really like a travel insurance policy that all expenses are covered (including hospital....) up to the 15K service contract (or whatever the contract deal is) up to, and maybe beyond, hospital admittance?
>
> If so, it sounds like a fantastic deal.
>
> Please enlighten us listers......
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:54:41 -0700
> From: Lisa Valenti-Jordan <valentijordan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
> To: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>, PCT MailingList
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> A lot of information is available here:
> http://www.geosalliance.com/sar/SAR-tsandcs.html (the site for the
> insurance behind SPOT). There are several exclusions, so if you are
> SAR'd because you didn't bring enough provisions or you went up a
> saddle holding a lightning rod during a thunderstorm instead of down,
> you don't get the benefit (read FAQ). Cursory reading looks like
> they cover costs to "keep you alive" (rough paraphrase) for 72
> hours...and they charge your insurance first if you have it.
>
> Puddlejumper
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Re: spot coverage
>>
>> I get that the Spot provides airlift coverage with the paid subscription.
>>
>> What about the coverage for the extra services....are fire trucks and ambulances that come out to the trail head also covered (if any do....)? Sheriff services are fully covered - no separate local or county bill?
>>
>> Those hikers who have actually used the Spot services are stipulating that all rescue services up to admittance to a hospital are covered by SAR insurance?? Is Spot really like a travel insurance policy that all expenses are covered (including hospital....) up to the 15K service contract (or whatever the contract deal is) up to, and maybe beyond, hospital admittance?
>>
>> If so, it sounds like a fantastic deal.
>>
>> Please enlighten us listers......
>>
>> Deb
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:02:03 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I met some hikers at the Sauffley's this year who were using special
> stretchy tape they got at REI to help with shin splints. They taped
> their shins lengthwise, pulling the tape tight --90% stretched--and
> going from the top of the foot up the shin most of the way. The idea
> being to create force that holds the foot at a 90 degree angle when
> at rest. They reinforced the tape with cross-wise strips on the foot
> and shin. The guy who was showing everyone how to do this swore by
> it. The tape was pink and stretchy. I don't know anything else, like
> if it works, if it's preventative or what. Looked interesting.
>
> On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> Anyone knowledgeable about shin splints--symptoms, time for
>> recovery, etc.? Thanks in anticipation....
>> Backpack45
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:20:25 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
>
> This sounds like Kinesio Tape, which is often prescribed for plantar fasciitis.? I used it for pf in '10, but it was hard to tell if it helped or not.? I was also stretching and taking Vit I, so my relief might have been due to other remedies.
>
>
> Kinesio tape is very expensive, but i t did prevent heel blisters.?
>
>
>
> Mango
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:02:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
>
> I met some hikers at the Sauffley's this year who were using special ?
> stretchy tape they got at REI to help with shin splints. They taped ?
> their shins lengthwise, pulling the tape tight --90% stretched--and ?
> going from the top of the foot up the shin most of the way. The idea ?
> being to create force that holds the foot at a 90 degree angle when ?
> at rest. They reinforced the tape with cross-wise strips on the foot ?
> and shin. The guy who was showing everyone how to do this swore by ?
> it. The tape was pink and stretchy. I don't know anything else, like ?
> if it works, if it's preventative or what. Looked interesting.
>
> On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> Anyone knowledgeable about shin splints--symptoms, time for ?
>> recovery, etc.? Thanks in anticipation....
>> Backpack45
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:12:46 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
> To: Lisa Valenti-Jordan <valentijordan at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Ann Marie
> <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
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> Puddlejumper, thanks for the link. I just went to the site and here are 3
> of their exclusions:
> - Circumstances which could have reasonably been anticipated at the date
> the trip began
> e.g. forecast of adverse weather conditions
> - Emergency caused by inadequate provision or training or competence
> needed to complete the planned trip
> - Cost incurred due to a pre existing or chronic condition or mental
> disorder of the member including self-harm
> or suicide attempt.
> - Emergency caused by any natural climate disaster
>
> Seems to me these exclusions are broad enough to exclude many hiker
> rescues. So read the terms and make your own decision.
>
> Tortoise
>
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> On 2012.06.21 15:54, Lisa Valenti-Jordan wrote:
>> A lot of information is available here:
>> http://www.geosalliance.com/sar/SAR-tsandcs.html (the site for the
>> insurance behind SPOT). There are several exclusions, so if you are
>> SAR'd because you didn't bring enough provisions or you went up a
>> saddle holding a lightning rod during a thunderstorm instead of down,
>> you don't get the benefit (read FAQ). Cursory reading looks like
>> they cover costs to "keep you alive" (rough paraphrase) for 72
>> hours...and they charge your insurance first if you have it.
>>
>> Puddlejumper
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Ann Marie<dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Re: spot coverage
>>>
>>> I get that the Spot provides airlift coverage with the paid subscription.
>>>
>>> What about the coverage for the extra services....are fire trucks and ambulances that come out to the trail head also covered (if any do....) Sheriff services are fully covered - no separate local or county bill?
>>>
>>> Those hikers who have actually used the Spot services are stipulating that all rescue services up to admittance to a hospital are covered by SAR insurance? Is Spot really like a travel insurance policy that all expenses are covered (including hospital....) up to the 15K service contract (or whatever the contract deal is) up to, and maybe beyond, hospital admittance?
>>>
>>> If so, it sounds like a fantastic deal.
>>>
>>> Please enlighten us listers......
>>>
>>> Deb
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:15:39 -0400
> From: Tom Holz <tom.holz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Kinesio tape is wonderful stuff, but expensive. You are supposed to
> apply it with a little tension (I think there is a full training program
> for Kinesio), and that tension not only holds things in place, but it
> give your body feedback that helps it correct itself, like having a hand
> on your shoulder reminding you not to slouch.
>
> It also lasts much longer than duct tape, and like Mango said, it can be
> used to prevent blisters.
>
> Bigfoot
>
>
>
> On 6/21/2012 9:20 PM, Jim & Jane Moody wrote:
>>
>>
>> This sounds like Kinesio Tape, which is often prescribed for plantar
>> fasciitis. I used it for pf in '10, but it was hard to tell if it
>> helped or not. I was also stretching and taking Vit I, so my relief
>> might have been due to other remedies.
>>
>>
>> Kinesio tape is very expensive, but i t did prevent heel blisters.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mango
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: "Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes"
>> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com> To: pct-l at backcountry.net Sent:
>> Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:02:03 PM Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin
>> splints?
>>
>> I met some hikers at the Sauffley's this year who were using special
>> stretchy tape they got at REI to help with shin splints. They taped
>> their shins lengthwise, pulling the tape tight --90% stretched--and
>> going from the top of the foot up the shin most of the way. The idea
>> being to create force that holds the foot at a 90 degree angle when
>> at rest. They reinforced the tape with cross-wise strips on the foot
>> and shin. The guy who was showing everyone how to do this swore by
>> it. The tape was pink and stretchy. I don't know anything else, like
>> if it works, if it's preventative or what. Looked interesting.
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone knowledgeable about shin splints--symptoms, time for
>>> recovery, etc.? Thanks in anticipation.... Backpack45
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:17:21 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
> To: Susan Alcorn <backpack45 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Dear Susan
>
> I am just searching the papers on the stretching effect. So, I have
> just searched the shin splints papers. The following two papers are
> impressive.
>
> 1. The use of neoprene or semi-rigid orthotics may help prevent MTSS,
> as evidenced by two large prospective studies. by Moen MH, et.
> al.(2009)
>
> 2. .The most encouraging evidence for effective prevention of shin
> splints involves the use of shock-absorbing insoles. However, there
> are serious flaws in study design. by Thacker SB, et. al.(2002).
>
>
>
> Moen MH, Tol JL, Weir A, Steunebrink M, De Winter TC. Medial tibial
> stress syndrome: a critical review. Sports Med. 2009;39(7):523-46. .
> Abstract
> Medial tibial stress syndrome (MTSS) is one of the most common leg
> injuries in athletes and soldiers. The incidence of MTSS is reported
> as being between 4% and 35% in military personnel and athletes. The
> name given to this condition refers to pain on the posteromedial
> tibial border during exercise, with pain on palpation of the tibia
> over a length of at least 5 cm. Histological studies fail to provide
> evidence that MTSS is caused by periostitis as a result of traction.
> It is caused by bony resorption that outpaces bone formation of the
> tibial cortex. Evidence for this overloaded adaptation of the cortex
> is found in several studies describing MTSS findings on bone scan,
> magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), high-resolution computed tomography
> (CT) scan and dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. The diagnosis is made
> based on physical examination, although only one study has been
> conducted on this subject. Additional imaging such as bone, CT and MRI
> scans has been well studied but is of limited value. The prevalence of
> abnormal findings in asymptomatic subjects means that results should
> be interpreted with caution. Excessive pronation of the foot while
> standing and female sex were found to be intrinsic risk factors in
> multiple prospective studies. Other intrinsic risk factors found in
> single prospective studies are higher body mass index, greater
> internal and external ranges of hip motion, and calf girth. Previous
> history of MTSS was shown to be an extrinsic risk factor. The
> treatment of MTSS has been examined in three randomized controlled
> studies. In these studies rest is equal to any intervention. The use
> of neoprene or semi-rigid orthotics may help prevent MTSS, as
> evidenced by two large prospective studies.
>
>
> Thacker SB, Gilchrist J, Stroup DF, Kimsey CD.
> The prevention of shin splints in sports: a systematic review of literature.
> Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2002 Jan;34(1):32-40.
>
> Abstract
> PURPOSE:
> To review the published and unpublished evidence regarding risk
> factors associated with shin splints, assess the effectiveness of
> prevention strategies, and offer evidence-based recommendations to
> coaches, athletes, and researchers.
> METHODS:
> We searched electronic data bases without language restriction,
> identified citations from reference sections of research papers
> retrieved, contacted experts in the field, and searched the Cochrane
> Collaboration. Of the 199 citations identified, we emphasized results
> of the four reports that compared methods to prevent shin splints. We
> assessed the methodologic quality of these reports by using a
> standardized instrument.
> RESULTS:
> The use of shock-absorbent insoles, foam heel pads, heel cord
> stretching, alternative footwear, as well as graduated running
> programs among military recruits have undergone assessment in
> controlled trials. There is no strong support for any of these
> interventions, and each of the four controlled trials is limited
> methodologically. Median quality scores in these four studies ranged
> from 29 to 47, and serious flaws in study design, control of bias, and
> statistical methods were identified.
> CONCLUSION:
> Our review yielded little objective evidence to support widespread use
> of any existing interventions to prevent shin splints. The most
> encouraging evidence for effective prevention of shin splints involves
> the use of shock-absorbing insoles. However, serious flaws in study
> design and implementation constrain the work in this field thus far. A
> rigorously implemented research program is critically needed to
> address this common sports medicine problem.
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:21:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: lcgrconrad at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Looking for a BACKPACK SPEAKER for first weekend in
> November
> To: PCT-L at backcountry.net
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> To all those who would like to share the Experience of the PCT, CDT or AT, I am looking for a speaker for my yearly Back Pack Seminar at Nesika Lodge owned by Trails Club of Oregon.? We are a non-profit organization.? We have a beautiful lodge, 5 miles up the Multnomah Creek Trail.? We do a yearly backpack seminar to encourage hikers to go lighter and to develop interest in backpacking.? I myself have completed the PCT doing sections over a ten year period and am now starting the CDT and AT.? We can offer free lodging, free meals and gas money.? You could offer a good talk on long distance, light weight backpacking and a good slide show.? We have a projector that will work off a computer.? We have a screen.? We need to purchase speakers.?
> ?
> Let me know what you have to offer and I will share with you a great outdoor experience at our lodge in the woods.?
> ?
> Common visitors:? Ron Moak, Steely Eye, David Cobb, Mossy Old Troll, William Sullivan.?
> ?
> Sparrow
>
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:21:50 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
> To: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Yes, that's what it was called. I couldn't remember the name.
>
> On Jun 21, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Jim & Jane Moody wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> This sounds like Kinesio Tape, which is often prescribed for
>> plantar fasciitis. I used it for pf in '10, but it was hard to
>> tell if it helped or not. I was also stretching and taking Vit I,
>> so my relief might have been due to other remedies.
>>
>>
>> Kinesio tape is very expensive, but i t did prevent heel blisters.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mango
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: "Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes"
>> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:02:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
>>
>> I met some hikers at the Sauffley's this year who were using special
>> stretchy tape they got at REI to help with shin splints. They taped
>> their shins lengthwise, pulling the tape tight --90% stretched--and
>> going from the top of the foot up the shin most of the way. The idea
>> being to create force that holds the foot at a 90 degree angle when
>> at rest. They reinforced the tape with cross-wise strips on the foot
>> and shin. The guy who was showing everyone how to do this swore by
>> it. The tape was pink and stretchy. I don't know anything else, like
>> if it works, if it's preventative or what. Looked interesting.
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone knowledgeable about shin splints--symptoms, time for
>>> recovery, etc.? Thanks in anticipation....
>>> Backpack45
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:59:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hikes and Bikes <hikingis4me2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
> To: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: PCT-L Backcountry <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Kinesio tape is excellent for knee and ankle injuries. ?Last year we used you tube videos to tape ourselves. ?Worked great. In my area, Big 5 Sports stores also carry it.?
>
> Lost and Found
> ?
> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, Guinness in one hand, steak in the other, yell 'Holy Sh**, What a Ride!"
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
>
>
>
> This sounds like Kinesio Tape, which is often prescribed for plantar fasciitis.? I used it for pf in '10, but it was hard to tell if it helped or not.? I was also stretching and taking Vit I, so my relief might have been due to other remedies.
>
>
> Kinesio tape is very expensive, but i t did prevent heel blisters.?
>
>
>
> Mango
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:02:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints?
>
> I met some hikers at the Sauffley's this year who were using special ?
> stretchy tape they got at REI to help with shin splints. They taped ?
> their shins lengthwise, pulling the tape tight --90% stretched--and ?
> going from the top of the foot up the shin most of the way. The idea ?
> being to create force that holds the foot at a 90 degree angle when ?
> at rest. They reinforced the tape with cross-wise strips on the foot ?
> and shin. The guy who was showing everyone how to do this swore by ?
> it. The tape was pink and stretchy. I don't know anything else, like ?
> if it works, if it's preventative or what. Looked interesting.
>
> On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> Anyone knowledgeable about shin splints--symptoms, time for ?
>> recovery, etc.? Thanks in anticipation....
>> Backpack45
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:02:06 -0700
> From: William Canavan <wecanavan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Sawyer inline filter
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Chris you are exactly right. I only carried the one cup and ate most of my
> food cold and used the cup to measure filtered water. It's a lot harder to
> estimate a measure of water when dumping from one of the Sawyer bags into a
> dehydrated meal pouch. On the AT I used a hiker-pro filter pump and could
> suck up standing water. I didn't even think about that until the first
> time I tried to use the Sawyer in SoCal. I practiced with the Sawyer at
> home but filled it from the kitchen tap and didn't even think about
> standing water. Next time I'll have it figured out!
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Chris Anderson <srhspaded at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] inline Sawyer Filter
> To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> I think he is worried about contaminating a cup he uses on things other
> than boiled water, i.e. the cup measuring cold water to pour into a cold
> rehydrated breakfast... if your worried about that level of cross
> contamination, why not just plan ahead...you could easily get a water
> bottle at any resupply place and cut off all but what you need to dip into
> water sources, its easily found, cut down it weighs maybe a few grams, and
> can be replaced easily... or even use a sandwich/ziplock baggy to collect
> the water (although slower)...or better yet, next time you boil water pour
> it into the cup to sterilize
> ?
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 00:35:49 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Death" at Walker Pass
> To: AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
>> I'm told most SAR would rather get called early for a rescue than late for a body recovery, so their services are no charge.
>> I don't know about choppers though. It probably depends if it's a rescue chopper or an air ambulance.
>
> If you get rescued in Europe, you better have Rescue insurance, or you
> aren't leaving the country before you cough up the cash, at least in
> the alps...
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:49:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Noteworth TJs
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Two very good journals of folks I have hiked with in the past few years are:
>
>
> Burning Daylight's at http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=383378
>
>
> and Len's (AlHaNoCa) at http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=383092?
>
>
> They are near the front of the pack, and hiking big miles.?
>
>
> I am thoroughly enjoying their prose.
>
>
>
> The Incredible Bulk
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:34:53 -0400
> From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shin splints and Kinesiotape
> To: Tom Holz <tom.holz at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On my AT thru hike I had dramatic results, with close to complete relief after sleeping the night, the day after a massage therapist used Kinesiotape to relieve swelling in my lower right leg that included shinsplints. What was not explained in the emails so far is that the tape has the supposed ability to lift the skin, allowing for easier passage of lymphatic fluids that night have been restricted by muscular/tissue inflammation due to the shin splints. Here are a couple of pics of the "spider technique" taping she did for me, also supplying me with two sets of the the cut tape for the rest of the hike, as an emergency supply. Sort of voodoo, but it worked for me. I might add that the tape stretches and that the therapist varied the degree of stretch in different sections of the tape as it was applied (i.e. 1st two inches 50% stretch, middle section 90% stretch, etc.). It is waterprooof tape that lasted three days, when all my symptoms were gone.
> Uncle Tom
>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:27:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: CJ & Cristy Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Cost of a SAR airlift
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> ?
> ?
> ?
> Deb,
> ?
> Great points, seriously.
> I think a few others have put this in perspective, namely calling out that "SAR" is primarily
> ?run by volunteers, funded by taxpayer dollars (bonds etc), and often from a "non-insured"
> perspective "written-off" by ancillary providers (EMS flight and/or ambulatory svc, et al),
> ?professionals (doctors, pa, anesthesiologist...et al), and hospitals.?
> ?
> ...not to get all insurance crazy about? SPOT coverage, LifeFlight (and other air-services)
> ?offers an annual membership, along with easily search 'traveler/backpacker insurance' options.
> ?
> I have, and work for a health insurance company and I most definitely supplement my
> regular 'family' policy with a low-premium, super-high-deductible catastrophic plan
> to cover my 'adventures'.? And use off-insurance direct-fee-for-service options for
> short notice visits/needs.
> ?
> Feel free to email me if you have questions about what I use, and/or prefer -
> I don't want to come across as trying to persuade or sell anything knowing
> that we all have different needs, preferences and are getting service
> all over the map.
> ?
> ?
> .cj
> ?
> ?
> ?
> ?
> - - - - - - -
> Yeah, I've been curious about this myself. And it seems I've read 4 journals or articles this year alone of 4 hikers being airlifted this year.
>
> I don't have health insurance, but I'm not thru-hiking. I'll be looking for some coverage before I do my hike in 3 years, if not earlier (I've got a pre-existing condition).
>
> I lived in Arizona (Phoenix) before moving to Oregon and now CA. My father required emergency services one afternoon (in Phoenix) after slipping on the kitchen floor and hearing his thigh bone snap.? He had both primary (Medicare) and secondary (AT&T) insurance coverage. We still got billed for the city services (ambulance - private, and fire - public). I don't remember the exact amount but I think I remember it being over $350.? Probably minor considering today's expenses. I'm amazed that in CA more hikers are not left scrambling and destitute by SAR experiences.? Everyone rescued seems okay with their expenses, while not detailing what
> those expenses may be for those of us on the sidelines (understandable, since that's private info and maybe embarrassing.) As a California resident and soon-to-be thru-hiker, this is giving me a false sense of welfare security.? And I don't like future surprises, so are you hikers being honest with the rest of us?
> Are your out-of-pocket expenses so low you don't need to mention them?
>
> Yeah, it leaves me as a baby boomer, wondering why anyone pays full health insurance premiums to a private insurance company, if I can be rescued by SAR and pay nothing or little. I don't believe it, but hikers are not being forthcoming with their actual expenses or previous insurance coverage.? Please enlighten us, those of you hikers having gone thru this rescue effort....... I'm pretty sure I need some comprehensive coverage and that you are tapping into it. But this isn't being conveyed on this list.
>
> Deb
>
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