[pct-l] Bear incident "as serious as it gets"?
CHUCK CHELIN
steeleye at wildblue.net
Mon Jul 30 13:26:05 CDT 2012
Good morning, Ron,
I recall an incident which I cannot attribute or substantiate. At the time
I believe it was discussed on PCT-L, for those of you who are better and
more patient than I am at archive searches.
As I recall, a bear somewhere in the Sierra snatched a PCT hiker’s
unattended food – either a food sack or the whole pack – and moved away
from camp with it. The owner aggressively went to retrieve the sack so the
bear defended what was then “its food” by swatting the hiker in the face or
head. While serious, I don’t recall that her wounds were life-threatening.
Take that for what it’s worth. My memory is very good, but it’s short.
Steel-Eye
-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Ron Graybill <rgraybill44 at gmail.com>wrote:
> Wait a minute. Sounds like the bear incident on Forester pass amounted to
> a bear tearing up someone's gear in an effort to get at food. Well, that's
> bad, but by Yellowstone standards, certainly not "as serious as it gets."
> "As serious as it gets" would be, well, let's not think about it.
>
> Which leads me to a question: in the last 10 or 15 years, has there ever
> been an incident on the PCT where someone was actually physically injured
> by a bear (or any other animal)?
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Carol Feinberg
> <carol.feinberg at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > Re: Food Storage
> >
> > Ed Jarett made a good point in mentioning that bear canisters are
> required
> > in some areas. Might as well spend the money. Most of the National Parks
> in
> > the Sierras expect you to have them.
> >
> >
> > Two weeks ago on Forester pass we encountered a ranger rushing to the
> site
> > of a bear incident in Vidette Meadows which she described as "as serious
> as
> > it gets." Two bears, one described as "habituated" went after some
> > backpackers food. The cost of your canister can be put down as cheap
> > insurance against a bear used to taking food from hikers tearing up your
> > gear while trying to hijack your food.
> > Have fun.
> > Carol Feinberg
> >
> >
> >
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> > 1. Re: Injinji Toesocks - Friend or Foe? (CClark)
> > 2. montbell thermawrap (CClark)
> > 3. food storage strategy (mike Shoys)
> > 4. Fwd: trail closed north of Belden (Meridith Rosendahl)
> > 5. Re: mid layer? montbell thermawrap
> > (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> > 6. Re: Injinji Toesocks - Friend or Foe? (Tortoise)
> > 7. mid layer? montbell thermawrap (Maxine Weyant)
> > 8. Re: Injinji Toesocks - Friend or Foe? (Cat Gunderson)
> > 9. Re: food storage strategy (CHUCK CHELIN)
> > 10. Re: food storage strategy (Thomas Jamrog)
> > 11. Lost katadyn filter (Andrew Schleif)
> > 12. Solar chargers.... (Isabella)
> > 13. Re: Gear list (Ron Cordell)
> > 14. Final pre-trip blog entry (Matthew Schneider)
> > 15. Re: Gear list2 foot su (Clifford McDonald)
> > 16. Re: food storage strategy (Ed Jarrett)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:49:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Injinji Toesocks - Friend or Foe?
> > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <1343602195.13679.YahooMailNeo at web114718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Hi Cat,
> > ?
> > I love Injinjis for day hikes.?
> > ?
> > However, for backpacking, I find it hard to get dust and sand out of the
> > toes when I just rinse them out in water without a washing machine.? Due
> to
> > embedded dust, I end up getting blisters between my toes.??Then there's
> no
> > room?for moleskin or blister bandages.? However, my feet have a high
> > tendency to get blisters, so they might work for you.
> > ?
> > Carolyn AKA Soul Doctor
> > ?
> > ?
> > <<Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:26:07 -0500
> > From: Cat Gunderson <cathi at cathigunderson.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Injinji Toesocks - Friend or Foe?
> > I've just discovered Injinji toe socks and, although the concept sounds
> > good, I'm skeptical about their ability to deter blisters. Any of you
> tried
> > them?
> > Cat>>>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:09:27 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] montbell thermawrap
> > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <1343603367.87648.YahooMailNeo at web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Ryan,
> > ?
> > I just finished the JMT portion of the PCT.? I tend to get hypothermic
> > incredibly?easily.?
> > ?
> > I was quite warm and comfy, even in the sleet storm we encountered, with
> > the following four?layers (when NOT hiking): REI midweight zip-T;
> Montbell
> > Thermawrap vest; REI Primaloft jacket; and O2 rain jacket. When hiking in
> > rain, I just used a GoLite shirt, windshirt, and poncho.
> > ?
> > We were only rained on three times.??Most of the time this was more
> > clothing than I needed, but to me it was far worth the weight to carry
> > these items for the three times I needed them all.
> > Enjoy!
> > Carolyn Clark, AKA Soul Doctor.
> > ?
> > <<<<
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:50:55 -0700
> > From: Ryan Clark <kamikazehummingbirds at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] mid layer? montbell thermawrap
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > ??? <CABxQKaxzkAC_aOiGviXjZZUSpg2JNPdUHgZXnZ-vMLKzow3hWw at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > has anyone had experience with the synthetic montbell thermawrap? >>>>>
> >
> > P?? Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> > Carolyn Clark, Ph.D.
> > Dept. of Communication
> > Salt Lake Community College
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:42:42 -0700
> > From: mike Shoys <mashoys at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] food storage strategy
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CADC-2REZJiprAZrdz9_OwyLE6Q1Dhhont7znT6+fkVK5ma0O6w at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > hello all,
> >
> > i'm attaining all of the gear i'll need for the pct and have come to food
> > storage and need help. from what i've heard rodents are a frequent
> problem
> > and bears a less frequent problem. i imagine hanging a food bag will be
> out
> > of question for much of the desert, but where do most of you store your
> > food at night? in the tent or in the trees? i'd love to bypass the extra
> > chore if it's not a foolish idea, and i'm thinking of getting one of
> these
> > if hanging food is more desirable... 4.7 oz. and 60 bucks... seems a bit
> > spendy but not completely out of question:
> >
> > http://gossamergear.com/packs/bearister-food-hanging-system.html
> >
> > would love to hear your thoughts on it.
> >
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:26:55 -0700
> > From: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: trail closed north of Belden
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAEJJFnp2qZ5OvNn7o3xKvAa1K1osacspsoCue0hidtbho0jMng at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: ljbraaten at aol.com <ljbraaten at aol.com>
> > Date: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:09 PM
> > Subject: trail closed north of Belden
> > To: info at pcta.org
> > Cc: midriverrv at sisqtel.net, drakesbad at calparksco.com, goodshep6 at juno.com
> ,
> > info at callahanslodge.com, bill at billperson.org, info at stehekinlanding.com,
> > tom_mesereau at msn.com, mark.f.hoffmann at gmail.com, bobbnweav at gmail.com,
> > notjanie at juno.com, andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com,
> > meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com, jomike at cot.net, alderbrook at sisqtel.net,
> > mikeh at casaherrera.com, ljbraaten at aol.com
> >
> >
> > Hi, this is Laurie from Little Haven near Belden. There's a fire on the
> > pacific crest trail north of belden. the trail will be closed between
> > Belden and highway 36 for the next 3 or 4 days. Hikers will need to skip
> > this section until the trail is open again. (Or, if they have good maps
> > they can find alternate routes via the Butt Lake forestry road off of
> > caribou road.)
> >
> > We will be closing for overnight stays beginning august 1, but are still
> > available to pick up packages.
> >
> > Laurie (and Brenda)
> >
> > *Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless?*
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:40:14 -0700
> > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] mid layer? montbell thermawrap
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <C5188B23-1AC2-41CA-97B2-EF51EBCE7A95 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >
> > I don't know anything about the thermawrap. But the PCT in June isn't
> > cold during the day unless there's some bad weather happening. So if
> > it is useful in bad weather then it'll be good. Otherwise you
> > probably won't need to wear it much unless you do a lot of sitting
> > around in camp or in breezy high places. And you might need it in
> > your sleeping bag if you like to camp in cold sinking air places like
> > lakes and meadows.
> > On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > > From: Ryan Clark <kamikazehummingbirds at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [pct-l] mid layer? montbell thermawrap
> > >
> > > has anyone had experience with the synthetic montbell thermawrap? im
> > > curious if it is sufficiently warm enough for a through hike
> > > of the JMT durring PCT thru-season? my layering system will be
> > > patagonia lightweight 2 capaline long sleeve (might use for sleeping
> > > and have a 100 weight icebreakers thermal for hiking, not sure yet.),
> > > mountain hardware canyon shirt, marmot driclime, marmot precip
> > > and the montbell thermawrap. what do you all think? overboard?
> > > underboard? i want to hear it all!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:48:25 -0700
> > From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Injinji Toesocks - Friend or Foe?
> > To: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <50160409.4060302 at charter.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > We've had similar discussions before. But the first question I have is
> are
> > your shoes wide enough thru the ball of your feet and especially the
> toes.
> > >From what I've seen, most shoes and boots have a shape that squeezes the
> > toes together to fit the shoe rather than having a shoe wide enough for
> the
> > toes.
> >
> > Like some others, I buy shoes that are longer and wider (especially in
> the
> > toes) so my toes can be close to their natural position. I buy what fits
> > me, not what the shoe store recommends.
> >
> > Fortunately also my feet get few blisters. Last couple I've had is when
> my
> > toes got squeezed together and rubbed a blister.
> >
> > Tortoise
> >
> > Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent
> revolution
> > inevitable
> > President John F Kennedy, 1962
> >
> > All content is copyrighted. Reproduction or use elsewhere is is expressly
> > prohibited without the express permission of the author. Use within the
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> >
> > On 2012.07.29 15:49, CClark wrote:
> > > Hi Cat,
> > >
> > > I love Injinjis for day hikes.
> > >
> > > However, for backpacking, I find it hard to get dust and sand out of
> the
> > toes when I just rinse them out in water without a washing machine. Due
> to
> > embedded dust, I end up getting blisters between my toes. Then there's
> no
> > room for moleskin or blister bandages. However, my feet have a high
> > tendency to get blisters, so they might work for you.
> > >
> > > Carolyn AKA Soul Doctor
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:19:06 -0700
> > From: Maxine Weyant <weyantm at msn.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] mid layer? montbell thermawrap
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP270E013257AD339826E345B8C60 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Ryan,
> >
> > I had a Montbell Thermawrap jacket and I loved it. It weighed 7.85 oz.
> I
> > think it was a Men's SM or XS, they didn't have a WMN's version yet when
> it
> > first came out. I'd still have it if it hadn't been stolen (long story.)
> > I bought it when it first came out, when I was starting to transition out
> > of heavier polar fleece jackets several years ago. I live in WA and
> really
> > wanted a down jacket but the rains here made me reluctant to commit to
> down
> > until a few years ago, when the outer fabrics had gotten lighter and more
> > water resistant.
> >
> > I tend to sleep really cold so I often wear my jacket inside my sleeping
> > bag. I did the JMT section of the PCT and the northernmost section of WA
> > with that Thermawrap jacket and was only cold at night or first thing in
> > the am. The jacket was a little too cold for me if there was frost, or
> if
> > my water bottle had a little ice in it. If I was hiking, the jacket was
> > just fine. I could use an extra wind layer like my Marmot Precip jacket
> if
> > I was going through a blustery cold pass. Later on I bought what I felt
> > was the next lightest thing in the same concept, the Montbell down inner
> > jacket. I used it instead of a fleece layer since it weighed only 6.35
> > oz.and it seemed like a good backup in case I got caught in a
> "situation."
> > I found I only used the 2 layers together as a jacket once, and it was
> when
> > I wasn't actually hiking but eating breakfast and getting up on a cold
> > morning at 11,500 ft. I used the down inner jacket on my legs and feet
> in
> > my sleeping bag a lot however,
> > so I was glad to have both.
> >
> > Finally, I bought a North Face 900 Down jacket that weighs 8.35 oz, which
> > is less than the 2 Montbell jackets together. My fleece is a thin
> > pullover, but it still weighs 6.7 oz. My other layer is a mid-weight
> > capilene. I must admit that 90% of the time, I'm hiking only in shorts
> and
> > either a 2oz sleeveless shell or a sun shirt (Ex Officio DryFlylight.)
> >
> > One thing I liked about the Montbell Thermawrap was the fact that the
> > liners of the pockets formed a pouch on the inside that I could use as an
> > extra pocket by wedging stuff between the pocket liner and the inside of
> > the front of the jacket. Also, I liked the way it could compress into
> > something tiny and easy to stuff in and pull out of a small daypack. I
> > used it on the Camino de Santiago in Spain and in numerous urban and
> rural
> > settings in Europe and the US.
> >
> > So, if you're a heat-generating type, it may be just right for you most
> of
> > the time, except maybe if you're in the Northern half of WA after
> September
> > 15th or so, or in the Sierras when it's below 35 degrees.
> >
> > Dys-feng shui-nal
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:17:30 -0500
> > From: Cat Gunderson <cathi at cathigunderson.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Injinji Toesocks - Friend or Foe?
> > To: <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <CC3BD77A.2343%cathi at cathigunderson.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> > I am the creator of this post and I don't know why your name appeared in
> > the
> > subject line. I want to heartily thank everyone for your great
> > suggestions/feedback to my question. I can hardly wait to get on the
> trail
> > and meet some of you in 2013!
> >
> >
> > On 7/29/12 12:08 AM, "Bill Burge" <bill at burge.com> wrote:
> > Why am I mentioned in the Subject?
> > I did not start this thread and I am not quoted in any of the material in
> > your post...
> >
> > SomeGuy
> > Bill Burge
> > bill at burge.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:52:11 -0700
> > From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] food storage strategy
> > To: mike Shoys <mashoys at gmail.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CABc=HNmt4UwpG+dfFdXcb6HSsKmKqEPnUmYi3C8mrDK8btUOSg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Good morning, Mike,
> >
> > I?ve been hiking the Mountain West ? off and on -- since the 1950s; the
> > vast majority of the time sleeping under the stars or under an open tarp
> > rather than in an enclosed tent. Except where bear ?cans are required, I
> > keep my grub in one or two SilNylon sacks at the head of my bed. I?ve
> not
> > lost any food, and only a couple of times have I heard the faint
> > scritch-scritch-scritch of little night critter poking around, and had to
> > chase it off.
> >
> > It probably helps that I avoid ? but not entirely ? the most prominent
> > hiker campsites. That not only avoids many of the experienced
> > camp-critters, but it also allows the larger sites to be used by groups
> of
> > other hikers with tents, since all I need is a mostly flat and level
> patch
> > about 2? x 7? in size.
> >
> > Other experienced hikers have tales of mice getting into their chow, but
> I
> > do not. Maybe it?s just good luck.
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
> > -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:42 PM, mike Shoys <mashoys at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > hello all,
> > >
> > > i'm attaining all of the gear i'll need for the pct and have come to
> food
> > > storage and need help. from what i've heard rodents are a frequent
> > problem
> > > and bears a less frequent problem. i imagine hanging a food bag will be
> > out
> > > of question for much of the desert, but where do most of you store your
> > > food at night? in the tent or in the trees? i'd love to bypass the
> extra
> > > chore if it's not a foolish idea, and i'm thinking of getting one of
> > these
> > > if hanging food is more desirable... 4.7 oz. and 60 bucks... seems a
> bit
> > > spendy but not completely out of question:
> > >
> > > http://gossamergear.com/packs/bearister-food-hanging-system.html
> > >
> > > would love to hear your thoughts on it.
> > >
> > >
> > > mike
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:18:58 -0400
> > From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] food storage strategy
> > To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <5CF354D0-1703-48DA-B27A-863844A12570 at midcoast.com>
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> >
> > I did the same as Steeleye, but used the Ursak Minor on my thru hike,
> > generally inside my tent . I camped with other guys who slept with their
> > food bags, but my food escaped being raided by rodents. Theirs did-
> could
> > be luck. I saw some small nibble marks on the fabric, but none got
> through.
> > Uncle Tom .
> > " When one cannot be sure that there are many days left, each single day
> > becomes as important as a year, and one does not waste and hour in
> wishing
> > that that hour were longer, but simply fills it, like a smaller cup, as
> > high as it will go without spilling over" - Natalie Kusz
> >
> > On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:52 AM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
> >
> > > Good morning, Mike,
> > >
> > > I?ve been hiking the Mountain West ? off and on -- since the 1950s; the
> > > vast majority of the time sleeping under the stars or under an open
> tarp
> > > rather than in an enclosed tent. Except where bear ?cans are
> required, I
> > > keep my grub in one or two SilNylon sacks at the head of my bed. I?ve
> > not
> > > lost any food, and only a couple of times have I heard the faint
> > > scritch-scritch-scritch of little night critter poking around, and had
> to
> > > chase it off.
> > >
> > > It probably helps that I avoid ? but not entirely ? the most prominent
> > > hiker campsites. That not only avoids many of the experienced
> > > camp-critters, but it also allows the larger sites to be used by groups
> > of
> > > other hikers with tents, since all I need is a mostly flat and level
> > patch
> > > about 2? x 7? in size.
> > >
> > > Other experienced hikers have tales of mice getting into their chow,
> but
> > I
> > > do not. Maybe it?s just good luck.
> > >
> > > Steel-Eye
> > >
> > > -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> > >
> > > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> > >
> > > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:42 PM, mike Shoys <mashoys at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> hello all,
> > >>
> > >> i'm attaining all of the gear i'll need for the pct and have come to
> > food
> > >> storage and need help. from what i've heard rodents are a frequent
> > problem
> > >> and bears a less frequent problem. i imagine hanging a food bag will
> be
> > out
> > >> of question for much of the desert, but where do most of you store
> your
> > >> food at night? in the tent or in the trees? i'd love to bypass the
> extra
> > >> chore if it's not a foolish idea, and i'm thinking of getting one of
> > these
> > >> if hanging food is more desirable... 4.7 oz. and 60 bucks... seems a
> bit
> > >> spendy but not completely out of question:
> > >>
> > >> http://gossamergear.com/packs/bearister-food-hanging-system.html
> > >>
> > >> would love to hear your thoughts on it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> mike
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> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:31:01 -0700
> > From: Andrew Schleif <schleifandrew at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Lost katadyn filter
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAC-WkG7d=N=h18xSJNE-DpUdTeUBwXoaFHYxJk4NnDFia=xaCQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > I met a section hiker named Chris from Redding, Ca last week near parks
> > creek road and he mentioned losing his filter. It has been found and is
> > near Etna Summit. Chris if you're on here send me a message and I'll let
> > you know where to find it.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:09:57 -0700
> > From: "Isabella" <isabella at bendnet.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Solar chargers....
> > To: <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <13B939E700AE44EF9A053F9F2E31A240 at your4f1261a8e5>
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> >
> > And along the same conversation, what is anybody finding is the easiest
> to
> > charge, lightest solar charger?
> > Mademoisella
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:56:56 -0700
> > From: Ron Cordell <ron.cordell at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear list
> > To: Clifford McDonald <clifmcdon at comcast.net>
> > Cc: PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>, dm at quixnet.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAFtA53xz5K=GmMOdguESwDV1MhY4PPqy87VaXpzDY3jJjhDoVQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > Can't speak for Ed, but I use Tyvek for my ground sheet. From his gear
> list
> > it appears he does the same.
> >
> > -ronc
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Clifford McDonald <
> clifmcdon at comcast.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Ed:
> > > >From your gear list; what is the 2 foot square chunk of tyvek used
> for?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> > pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Ed Jarrett
> > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 8:23 PM
> > > To: dm at quixnet.net; PCT List
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear list
> > >
> > >
> > > The link below is to my current gear list and is what I will be using
> > > through the bulk of Oregon starting next week. It does use a hammock
> > > rather
> > > than a tent/tarp, but otherwise may give you some ideas. The earlier
> > > articles it reference describe my reasoning for the choices I made.
> > > http://aclayjar.blogspot.com/2012/04/sample-gear-list.html
> > >
> > > Ed Jarretthttp://aclayjar.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > > From: dm at quixnet.net
> > > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:16:45 -0500
> > > > Subject: [pct-l] Gear list
> > > >
> > > > I have only done day hikes, but am considering hiking the PCT
> starting
> > > > next year, probably doing it in sections over the next 3 years. Is
> > > > there anyplace to find lists of necessary gear posted by experienced
> > > > hikers? I found one list in Georgia Swan's journal, but would like
> > > > more for comparision. I have talked to people in a couple of
> sporting
> > > > goods stores but of course they always want to sell maximum dollars
> in
> > > > top of the line stuff, rather than minimum weight adequate equipment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I hope to find a hiking partner among my outdoorsy friends as doing
> it
> > > > solo does not appeal to me for safety reasons.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Info from experienced hikers would be most appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Newhiker
> > > >
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> > Message: 14
> > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:58:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Matthew Schneider <salevale2000 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Final pre-trip blog entry
> > To: Adrayuh <andrea.aragon at protocallservices.com>, Poe Ballantine
> > <poeball at yahoo.com>, Barbara Libo Montgomery <blibo7 at comcast.net
> >,
> > Kim
> > Buttram <kimb1978 at gmail.com>, Barbara Huisman <huisb49 at aol.com>,
> > Christina Garcia <ladybug_liker at hotmail.com>, Cindy Waite
> > <cindymwaite17 at yahoo.com>, Etienne Wilson <
> > crazyhorse_2012 at yahoo.com>,
> > Chris Thorkildsen <cthork at comcast.net>, Debbie Carlson
> > <gubbie55 at yahoo.com>, Dennis Schneider <
> dennis.schneider at fedex.com
> > >,
> > Diana <thinkhappythots at aol.com>, Dani <mlle.j.avril at gmail.com>,
> Dan
> > Hettmannsperger III <validusmagna at gmail.com>, David Orenstein
> > <paleolibrarian at gmail.com>, Eden <edenallegra at gmail.com>, Ralph
> > Eluska
> > <ralph_thecook2 at yahoo.com>, Edward Pestrikoff III
> > <eddypestrikoffiii at gmail.com>, Facundo Gomez <
> > facundo511 at hotmail.com>,
> > happyfart at gmail.com, Henry <angelhenry75 at hotmail.com>, Ian Lever
> > <maze_442 at yahoo.com>, Kelley Moon <kelmoon13 at gmail.com>, Keena
> > Dexter-Evans <evans.keena at gmail.com>, Sherry Robinson
> > <oly.girl at gmail.com>, Terry Horton <osbud at aol.com>, Paul
> > VanderNaalt
> > <pauljenand2 at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net, squee
> > <syl4466 at yahoo.com>, Scott <scott at pcsrealty.net>, tod
> > <toditron at gmail.com>, Craig Baker <uc_booker at yahoo.com>, Barbara
> > Warren <bgraces2 at yahoo.com>, James Cook
> > <whydoyoukeepasking at jamesisin.com>
> > Cc: putsy0912 at yahoo.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <1343602699.72666.YahooMailMobile at web121603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/bodhylove
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:38:08 -0400
> > From: "Clifford McDonald" <clifmcdon at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear list2 foot su
> > To: "'Ron Cordell'" <ron.cordell at gmail.com>
> > Cc: 'PCT List' <pct-l at backcountry.net>, dm at quixnet.net
> > Message-ID: <000301cd6d22$6d453460$47cf9d20$@net>
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> >
> > Okay:
> >
> > Seems a bit small; I guess that 2 foot square isn't the same as 2 square
> > feet. Didn't expect a lesson in math from the PCT list server, but learn
> > something new every day.
> >
> >
> >
> > The difference between 2 sq. ft. and 2 ft. square
> >
> >
> >
> > "2 feet square" refers to a square that is 2 feet on a side, that is,
> >
> > 2 feet by 2 feet.
> >
> >
> >
> > "2 square feet" is a measure of area. It can refer to any shape (a
> >
> > rectangle 1 foot by 2 feet, for instance).
> >
> >
> >
> > The area of a 2-foot square is 4 square feet (2 feet * 2 feet).
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ron Cordell [mailto:ron.cordell at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:57 PM
> > To: Clifford McDonald
> > Cc: Ed Jarrett; dm at quixnet.net; PCT List
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear list
> >
> >
> >
> > Can't speak for Ed, but I use Tyvek for my ground sheet. From his gear
> list
> > it appears he does the same.
> >
> >
> >
> > -ronc
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Clifford McDonald <
> clifmcdon at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Ed:
> > >From your gear list; what is the 2 foot square chunk of tyvek used for?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Ed Jarrett
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 8:23 PM
> > To: dm at quixnet.net; PCT List
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear list
> >
> >
> >
> > The link below is to my current gear list and is what I will be using
> > through the bulk of Oregon starting next week. It does use a hammock
> > rather
> > than a tent/tarp, but otherwise may give you some ideas. The earlier
> > articles it reference describe my reasoning for the choices I made.
> > http://aclayjar.blogspot.com/2012/04/sample-gear-list.html
> >
> > Ed Jarretthttp://aclayjar.blogspot.com/
> >
> > > From: dm at quixnet.net
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:16:45 -0500
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Gear list
> > >
> > > I have only done day hikes, but am considering hiking the PCT starting
> > > next year, probably doing it in sections over the next 3 years. Is
> > > there anyplace to find lists of necessary gear posted by experienced
> > > hikers? I found one list in Georgia Swan's journal, but would like
> > > more for comparision. I have talked to people in a couple of sporting
> > > goods stores but of course they always want to sell maximum dollars in
> > > top of the line stuff, rather than minimum weight adequate equipment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope to find a hiking partner among my outdoorsy friends as doing it
> > > solo does not appeal to me for safety reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Info from experienced hikers would be most appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Newhiker
> > >
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> > Message: 16
> > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:41:53 -0700
> > From: Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] food storage strategy
> > To: <mashoys at gmail.com>, PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <BLU169-W41B72B12E9BBC03D5EC038AAC60 at phx.gbl>
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> >
> > If a bear can is not required I typically use an Ursack with an OPSac.
> If
> > there is a bear wire I hang the bag, otherwise I tie it to a tree away
> from
> > my hammock. Most of my hiking is in the Olympics, with a large black
> bear
> > population. So far I have had no issues with them and my food. Only
> deer,
> > who I caught pulling food out of a bear can that was only about 25 feet
> > away, and chipmunks have bothered my food in nearly 30 years.
> >
> > Ed Jarretthttp://aclayjar.blogspot.com/
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:42:42 -0700
> > > From: mashoys at gmail.com
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] food storage strategy
> > >
> > > hello all,
> > >
> > > i'm attaining all of the gear i'll need for the pct and have come to
> food
> > > storage and need help. from what i've heard rodents are a frequent
> > problem
> > > and bears a less frequent problem. i imagine hanging a food bag will be
> > out
> > > of question for much of the desert, but where do most of you store your
> > > food at night? in the tent or in the trees? i'd love to bypass the
> extra
> > > chore if it's not a foolish idea, and i'm thinking of getting one of
> > these
> > > if hanging food is more desirable... 4.7 oz. and 60 bucks... seems a
> bit
> > > spendy but not completely out of question:
> > >
> > > http://gossamergear.com/packs/bearister-food-hanging-system.html
> > >
> > > would love to hear your thoughts on it.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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