[pct-l] cal state park users get used

Tue Jul 24 22:28:22 CDT 2012

Has anyone else thought of this
Maybe some homicidal maniac or bandits will try to get me while I am on the
trail
Hasnt anyone else consider this as a distinct and it's leaving them so
scared

I think I am really scared right now
Can someone please try to help me feel better so that I can finally at night

Thanks

On Tuesday, July 24, 2012, Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net> wrote:
> The funds were concealed from the Parks Director, the Governor, and the
> Legislature. My point is that if this money had been know about over the
> years, the legislature would likely have appropriated less that was done.
> I'm not saying that the Legislature and Governor knew of the funds; rather
> they would have appropriated less if they had known. This is my opinion
and
> I think it is reasonable given the legislature and budget. No conspiracy
> needed. they didn't know so didn't adjust appropriations.
>
> As I read the news reports, the $34 million in the OHV trust fund can only
> be spent for specified OHV purposes. This is not "earmarking". Unless
there
> was a change in the relevant law the OHV money could only be used for the
> purposes for which the tax is levied. The other $22 million seems
available
> for general park operations.
>
> Until we know who did what and when, it is irresponsible to claim a vast
> conspiracy to deceive.
>
> I was an accountant and have worked in large organizations both
> governmental and for-profit. While naive outsiders may not realize is that
> in an organization as large and complex as the State of California,
keeping
> every account reconciled with all the related accounts is a gargantuan
> task. Nor is $50 million that significant when we are dealing with
BILLIONS.
>
> Your response alleges numerous facts not in the reports I've read:
>      Almost no one even knew that Parks had these large unused balances --
> one question is how this occurred and whom is responsible.
>      The money was not originally designated for some other purpose --
> rather it was just not spent because fund balances were not properly
reported.
>       There was no deceptive campaign; rather people just didn't know.
> Erroneous yes.
>
> While $20 million more would probably have avoided park closings or
> turn-overs to other operators for this year; this would only lessen the
> problem this year, not solve it. Nor would $20million due much to pay for
> the billion plus dollars of deferred maintenace in the parks.
>
> California has been making BIG cuts all over. Even if a billion dollars of
> unreported funds were found; it would do little to ease the cuts.
>
> So you may be cynical. So am I at 69. But I'm more cynical of all those
who
> rant and rant against government without knowledge or understanding.
>
> Tortoise
>
> Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent
revolution inevitable
> President John F Kennedy,  1962
>
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> On 2012.07.23 12:50, Timothy Nye wrote:
>> Tortoise,
>>
>> The funds were concealed; the director and assistant director are now
gone because the funds were concealed, apparently even from the director
herself, by the staff.  Their existence certainly surprised (and
embarrassed) the governor. Remember, it took a freedom of information act
request to uncover the money's existence.  To suggest that there may have
been an adjustment in appropriations over the years by the legislature is,
at best, speculative, and is incompatible with the legislative process. It
would require a conspiracy between the the executive and legislative
branches of government.  To note that the sequestered funds were originally
ear marked for another purpose overlooks that all of the hidden funds must
necessarily have been designated for other purposes at the time they were
originally appropriated.  Clearly there has in fact been a conspiracy and
misallocation of tax payer money  while a deceptive state wide campaign was
launched by the very agency that conce
>  al
>>   ed the funds. The question is what will actually be done about it.  An
independent prosecutor should be appointed.  More likely,  an investigation
by the attorney general will ensue that will preclude release of any
additional evidence or information to the public in order to avoid
'compromising' the investigation, at least for the next six months or so.
 You're  absolutely right.  We need to avoid an implied 'rush to judgement'
until California voters have the opportunity to vote on tax increases in
November and throw even more  money in the public trough.  Ironically, my
guess would be that the staff were aware, as would be the staff at public
schools and law enforcement agencies, that they would be the highly visible
politically designated targets of any budget cuts in order to promote the
necessity of tax increases over actual cuts in others areas.  But then I'm
a cynical 60 year old lawyer here in the capitol. One who got scammed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Until we know what the full story is, it is premature to make
judgements.
>>> Still it is disheartening to learn of this.
>>>
>>> According to the Sacramento Bee report, only 22 million apparently can
be
>>> spent on general park operations while 34 million is in the OHV trust
fund
>>> available for only certain expenses. 22 million spread over 12 years is
not
>>> much in the overall picture and worse, likely, this extra money may have
>>> been offset by decreased appropriations.
>>>
>>> So I am dismayed by this. But at least the money wasn't embezzled or
such.
>>>
>>> Tortoise
>>>
>>> Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent
revolution inevitable
>>> President John F Kennedy,  1962
>>>
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expressly prohibited without the express permission of the author. Use
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>>> On 2012.07.20 23:18, rob gratz wrote:
>>>>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2018733153_apuscaliforniaparksshakeup.html
>>>>
>>>> we just got chumped,all the hours time and money spent to keep the
parks
>>>> open was for nothing.they had it all the time
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