[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 55, Issue 21
John and Mary Anne Lynn
jmalynn88 at hotmail.com
Sat Jul 21 18:38:06 CDT 2012
Is there still water near mile mark 2382, in Washington, where there is an old weather station (abandoned)?
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> 1. Re: bad hikers, 2012 (Sean Nordeen)
> 2. Water borne diseases--more info about Giardia (Ken Murray)
> 3. Re: car break in at Soda Creek Section P (jape1 at cox.net)
> 4. Re: car break in at Soda Creek Section P (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 5. Last snow in the Sierras (Craig Giffen)
> 6. Re: Last snow in the Sierras (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 7. Re: Last snow in the Sierras (Craig Giffen)
> 8. Re: Last snow in the Sierras (Jerry King)
> 9. Re: Last snow in the Sierras (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 10. Oregon sections F,G trail report posted on pcta.org (Blue Feather)
> 11. The Old Indian on the PCT (hiker97 at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:31:21 -0700
> From: Sean Nordeen <sean.nordeen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bad hikers, 2012
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> * *>* I mean, who doesn't know what "opposite day means??"*
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> I actually have no clue what that means either. From the context here I
> can guess, but if I saw that in a register, I would have had no clue.
> Perhaps the lesson here is to not talk bad about a place (or someone for
> that matter) if you don't really mean it, even if you add "just kidding" at
> the end.
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> -Miner
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:46:39 -0400
> From: Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Water borne diseases--more info about Giardia
> To: "." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Maxine,
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> When you said:
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> "You responded that ?Dr.
> Rockwell? was a friend of yours and that you?d discussed his article several
> times over the years, as if that was all the proof we needed. That?s circular reasoning, (and posturing,
> some might say.) By identifying yourself
> as a physician"
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> I suppose that some might come to that conclusion, and that you did. Others might correctly surmise that I have
> thought about the subject deeply for years, have discussed it with experts, have read widely in the field, and have specific training in the diagnosis
> and treatment of the illness, something which virtually no other poster has. I have actually diagnosed and treated
> a wide variety of gastrointestinal disorders, which I am licensed to do.
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> You may choose to disagree with me, or with Rockwell. That is fine, and even welcomed. However, when you do
> so on the basis of credentials, then you have opened yourself up to an examination of the credentials of
> those references you cite, and your own credentials....which you have thus far not revealed.
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> "So I looked at his profile and learned that his PhD was in physics or engineering, I forget which.
> I felt the PCT-L readership deserved to know that, since the both of you were advocating something
> that may not be safe for many."
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> Hard to understand that you think that people thought he was a medical doctor, when the title of the
> thread was "Giardia Lamblia - Excellent informative article by Robert L. Rockwell, Phd"
> In the actual article itself, it states:
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> "About the author
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> Bob Rockwell has a BS in physics from the University of California, Berkeley, and PhD in biomedical engineering from Stanford University. He made his first trip into the Sierra Nevada in 1952 to climb Mount Whitney, and he repeats this climb several times annually. In the course of making over a thousand Sierra Nevada ascents of hundreds of individual mountains, he has never filtered or otherwise treated the water and has never contracted symptoms of giardiasis. Retired since 1990, he is now able to fully indulge in his favorite pastime and spends more time there, enjoying the water, than ever before."
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> So it is hard to understand how someone could be "confused" by this clear declaration.
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> But more important, you use the phrase "since the both of you were advocating something
> that may not be safe for many"
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> AGAIN, I challenge you to demonstrate that something unsafe is being advocated.
> You post OPINIONS that challenges that filters do any good, but do not provide
> any information that shows that is actually true!
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> "But we should never assume that
> the types and numbers of organisms in bodies of water will be the same from one
> decade to the next"
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> Who is assuming that? I happen to know that the Forest Service and Park Service are
> required to do routine monitoring of backcountry waters. I happen to have asked what
> this has revealed (this is the type of thing that people do, who are interested in a topic
> for decades). It happens to refute your assertions.
> But why bother with accumulating facts, when you can just opine?
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> "By the way, I mentioned the article could
> be accessed through the Aqua Mira website not because I was advertising their
> product as you inferred, but because the Spring 2005 edition of
> BackpackingLight, where it first appeared, requires a paid subscription to
> access it."
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> Did you not also think that in the interests of DISCLOSURE, that the author of the paper you cited
> is also the OWNER of Backpackinglight? You put down Rockwell on the basis of his PhD in Biomedical Engineering and not Microbiology or Medicine, but you don't disclose that Ryan Jordan holds a PhD in Biofilm Engineering and NOT Microbiology or Medicine. (I hold advanced degrees in both, and I'm not paid off by anybody)
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> Maxine, you gotta figure out what you consider an expert to be, and you have to get this conflict-of-interest issue straightened out!
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> What was wrong with Derlet's article?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:12:42 -0400
> From: <jape1 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] car break in at Soda Creek Section P
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Peggy Rice <msrice27 at gmail.com>
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> man that sure sucks. I sure feel sorry for you. I hope you can hike it off.
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> eckert
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:40:36 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] car break in at Soda Creek Section P
> To: Peggy Rice <msrice27 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning, Pegleg,
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> Your experience with the car break-in illustrates, once again one, of the
> great mysteries: Why does the number of horses? asses exceed the number of
> horses?
>
> For hikers in the Columbia gorge there?s a notorious car smash-?n-grab
> parking lot at the end of Eagle Creek. The Eagle Creek trailhead is about
> 0.5 mile up the creek from I-84. At the trailhead there is parking and
> some potties, but wise locals don?t park there. It is secluded and remote,
> and an easy for dirt-bags to exit the freeway, hit a few cars, then quickly
> re-enter the freeway.
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> For a person with a car it is better to park at the big lot near the fish
> hatchery, and then walk the extra 0.5 mile because that lot is under the
> nose of people who work there. After dozens of hikes up Eagle Creek for
> pleasure and trail maintenance I?ve never had a theft incident at the big
> lot.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
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> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
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> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Peggy Rice <msrice27 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > A friend and I have hiked section P (Etna to Castle Crags) this week
> > (July 13-20) southbound. Quick report: no snow on the trail, water in
> > all the places on Halfmile's maps, but not always where the Databook
> > says it will be. Thank you EnviroPyro and Pebbles for the trail
> > magic, and it was great to meet quite a few through hikers. We were
> > feeling great until we got back to my car, which was parked at the I-5
> > Soda Creek exit, at the southern end of section P.
> >
> > My car was broken into (and so was an adjoining car, judging by the
> > glass in the parking lot), and a lot of gear was stolen. We then went
> > to Redding to replace gear (I'm going to flip and solo hike Oregon),
> > and by coincidence, I saw someone, in broad daylight, steal a backpack
> > from a locked car in the hotel parking lot (I couldn't catch him). My
> > warning is: backpacks are very attractive to thieves - don't leave
> > them in your car. Don't park at that I-5 area, either.
> >
> > If any of you notice stuff for sale cheap, I'd appreciate any leads.
> > I lost two GoLite packs, a GoLite sleeping bag, brand new Evernew
> > titatium 0.9 L pot, a Black Diamond one person tent, Marmot Precip
> > jacket (women's M, blue), ExOfficio pants and shirt and a bunch of
> > other stuff (Esbit tabs being perhaps the most unusual). It makes me
> > angry that the theives won't care at all about my gear - I'm sure they
> > were looking for electronics, money and jewelry - they didn't get
> > anythng like that.
> >
> > I'm nearly back to normal and headed to Oregon. Hope to see many of
> > you on the trail!
> >
> > Pegleg
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:14:05 -0700
> From: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Last snow in the Sierras
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> Trying to figure out where I might travel next year and redoing the PCT is one of many thoughts.
>
> When does the last of the serious snow usually hit the Sierras? Basically, how early in the year can a person know if the most recent winter could be considered a "heavy snow year"? I can't quite remember.
>
> thanks,
> Craig
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:30:41 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last snow in the Sierras
> To: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good afternoon, Craig,
>
> By examining the graphics available at:
> http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/swcchart.action
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> One can see bumps in the curves that denote snowfall points. After viewing
> and digesting all that, pick a date by rolling some dice.
>
> Enjoy your planning,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
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> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
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> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com> wrote:
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> > Trying to figure out where I might travel next year and redoing the PCT
> > is one of many thoughts.
> >
> > When does the last of the serious snow usually hit the Sierras? Basically,
> > how early in the year can a person know if the most recent winter could be
> > considered a "heavy snow year"? I can't quite remember.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Craig
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:36:27 -0700
> From: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last snow in the Sierras
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Ah thanks, somehow I missed this. So it looks like by mid March you can pretty much know and that the surprises are out of the way.
>
> CG
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> On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:30 PM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
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> > Good afternoon, Craig,
> >
> > By examining the graphics available at: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/swcchart.action
> > One can see bumps in the curves that denote snowfall points. After viewing and digesting all that, pick a date by rolling some dice.
> > Enjoy your planning,
> > Steel-Eye
> > -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:43:16 -0700
> From: Jerry King <geraldbking at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last snow in the Sierras
> To: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Hi Craig,
> I can't disagree with Steel-Eye (roll the dice); and you could write a book
> on this subject too.
> But if you were looking for a date of "relative high certainty", I like
> March 20th (IMHO).
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com> wrote:
>
> > Trying to figure out where I might travel next year and redoing the PCT
> > is one of many thoughts.
> >
> > When does the last of the serious snow usually hit the Sierras? Basically,
> > how early in the year can a person know if the most recent winter could be
> > considered a "heavy snow year"? I can't quite remember.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Craig
> >
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> --
> Jerry King
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:51:20 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Last snow in the Sierras
> To: Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good afternoon, Craig,
>
> Thru-hike aspirants watch this series of charts carefully ? perhaps for
> want of something else to do while waiting a late-April start.
>
> I?d say, on the average, mid-March results will pretty well define the
> season. Stuff can happen due to a late-season blast, but such is mostly an
> inconvenience of knee-deep fluff in the San Jacinto rather than anything
> that significantly bends the snowpack chart of the Sierra; particularly
> since the ?S. Sierra? chart turf is 700 trail-miles from the border.
>
> Another reliable series of charts for the entire three-state trail can be
> viewed at: http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/westsnow.pl
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> Enjoy your planning,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Craig Giffen <cg at lunky.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah thanks, somehow I missed this. So it looks like by mid March you can
> > pretty much know and that the surprises are out of the way.
> >
> > CG
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:30 PM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
> >
> > Good afternoon, Craig,
> >
> > By examining the graphics available at:
> > http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/swcchart.action
> >
> > One can see bumps in the curves that denote snowfall points. After
> > viewing and digesting all that, pick a date by rolling some dice.
> >
> > Enjoy your planning,
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
> > -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:19:12 -0700
> From: Blue Feather <joewwaters at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Oregon sections F,G trail report posted on pcta.org
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <D7C8CC76-D216-461D-9FB3-05E47355C918 at earthlink.net>
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> I have just posted, on pcta.org, trail condition report for Oregon Sections F and G.
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> Thanks very much to all who responded to my request of 1.5 weeks ago regarding advice on route and need for snowshoes. Snowshoes would have been a joke - so glad I followed advice and didn't take them. But needed ice axe, which I took, rounding Three-Fingered Jack. Now in Cascade Locks and heading north tomorrow.
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> By the way, I am REALLY loving my new Gossamer Gear 2012 Mariposa backpack. Best backpack, by far, that has ever been on my 68-year young back!
>
> - Blue Feather (sent from my iPhone)
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:25:36 -0400 (EDT)
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] The Old Indian on the PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> A PCT thru-hiker was sauntering the trail one day. As he approached Big Pete?s Meadow, henoticed some smoke in the distance.
> As he got closer he saw an old Indian sitting by hiscampfire. He stopped and saidhello. The Indian replied that he hopedthe hiker was having a great time on the trail and with Mother Nature.
> As they talked about the trail and their families back in civilization,the Indian mentioned he had a wife and children. The thru-hiker asked what his wife?s name wasand how many children did he have.
> The Indian said his wife?s name was Five Horses and he hadthree children. The hiker said that wasa beautiful name and what was its significance.
> The old Indian replied, ?Because she nags, nags, nags, nags, nags.?
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> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ?????. cough, burp. Pardon. Ha, ha, ha.
> Your obedient servant and trail knave,
> Switchbackthe Trail Pirate
> May theForest Be With You
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