[pct-l] Bickering

[Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes]

Well, whatever. I'm sure the recipient understood. I think the whole  
trail can be done with the WP guide books and the data book and only  
additional maps for the Sierras and maybe San Jacinto and maybe the  
beginning of the trail just to get you oriented. That's what I said,  
that's what I intended to say and that's what I meant.

I actually do think vast stretches of the trail can be done with just  
the data book and no map, no guide book. But I didn't say that then  
and I won't advise people to do that now, but the years I hiked,  
that's what a large number of people I met did, although it wasn't  
what I did. The last time I hiked on the PCT (2011) nobody knew what  
the data book even was. I'd show it to them and nobody had ever seen  
it or the WP books. That's how fast they've gone out of fashion I guess.

Diane
On Jan 12, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Jackie McDonnell wrote:

> Dianne -
>
> You posted: "Pretty much almost all the rest of the trail in my  
> opinion can
> be done with just the WP guidebook descriptions and data book  
> distances."
>  That suggests no maps.
>
> Those of us who have the Wilderness Press Guidebooks know that they  
> contain
> maps.  However, your statement is misleading to a new hiker who is
> unfamiliar with the Guidebooks.  Your statement implies that maps  
> are not
> needed.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
>> There are maps in the guide book. He was planning to take the  
>> guidebook
>> and that is what I was suggesting. You don't need maps for most of  
>> the
>> trail if you have the guidebook.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Jackie McDonnell wrote:
>>
>>  It is irresponsible to go hiking without maps.  I am honestly  
>> shocked that
>>> Diane would suggest such a thing.
>>>
>>> Mapquest shows that the road mileage from Washington DC to Los  
>>> Angeles is
>>> 2670 miles.  You wouldn't drive from Washington DC to Los Angeles  
>>> without
>>> road maps.
>>>
>>> The PCT from Campo to Manning is 2663 miles.  You shouldn't hike  
>>> from
>>> Campo
>>> to Manning without maps.
>>>
>>> *Could* you make it from Washington to Los Angeles or Campo to  
>>> Manning
>>> without maps?  Sure.  But you're going to stop a lot along the  
>>> way to ask
>>> for directions.  And you're relying on others to carry the weight  
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Yogi
>>> www.pcthandbook.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara  
>>> Hikes <
>>> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  The trail is so easy to follow that I don't think Halfmile's or
>>>> anybody's maps are needed all the time. I think it's good to have
>>>> maps in the High Sierra, maybe San Jacinto (seems easy to get
>>>> confused there) and maybe the first section so you can get used to
>>>> the trail.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty much almost all the rest of the trail in my opinion can be
>>>> done with just the WP guidebook descriptions and data book  
>>>> distances.
>>>> I suppose if you are getting into the snow season as you near  
>>>> Canada
>>>> it might be time for real maps again. That's just my opinion  
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks Jeffrey for saying what needed to be said.  I am fairly  
>>>> new to
>>>>> this post (since August) and I actually find the bickering an
>>>>> entertaining way to break up my day, but not really any help for
>>>>> planning or decision making.  As far as maps go, I really am  
>>>>> leaning
>>>>> toward just using the guidebook maps I have already purchased  
>>>>> and be
>>>>> done with it.  I really will never know how the maps perform  
>>>>> until I
>>>>> just pick one and use them for many miles, and then evaluate.   
>>>>> I may
>>>>> check out some of the free options (Halfmiles??) just to have a  
>>>>> backup
>>>>> and another source, but I haven't decided that carrying extra maps
>>>>> would be worth it or necessary.  I mean really...who wants to know
>>>>> EVERYTHING about hiking trail before you get there?  Where's the
>>>>> adventure in that?  I don't necessarily want to know exactly what
>>>>> elevation gain I will encounter in the next several miles  
>>>>> ahead.  I
>>>>> want to enjoy the moment, not always planning or worrying about  
>>>>> the
>>>>> future.  There's a certain level of knowledge needed just to be  
>>>>> safe
>>>>> but beyond that...just let it unfold and enjoy the surprises.   
>>>>> That's
>>>>> how I plan to hike.
>>>>>
>>>>
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