[pct-l] Thanks for fireside boot story... LMAO
Janette Storer
janettestorer at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 27 12:49:39 CST 2012
Thank the Trail Gods for the words of wisdom from Uncle Jackass...
Janette Storer
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2. Park rangers (mkwart at gci.net)
3. Re: Insurance while hiking (Iceaxehikes at gmail.com)
4. Park Rangers (mikey chapman)
5. Re: Flip Floppin Flippin' (Iceaxehikes at gmail.com)
6. Thru hiking with a dog (mikey chapman)
7. Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (Lenny Leum)
8. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (Jackie McDonnell)
9. Re: copyright infringement of guide books (Matthew Edwards)
10. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (Robert E. Riess)
11. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (AsABat)
12. Water Reports (AsABat)
13. Food ideas! (T.Rem)
14. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (Vicky Mattson)
15. Re: copyright infringement of guide books (patti kulesz)
16. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (J J)
17. Re: Thru hiking with dog, Service Animals (giniajim)
18. Re: Park Rangers (be hope)
19. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (Jim Banks)
20. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (Carl Siechert)
21. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (giniajim)
22. Re: a pot for two and newbie questions (Brick Robbins)
23. Re: Park Rangers (Nathan Miller)
24. Re: Food ideas! (Yoshihiro Murakami)
25. Re: Food ideas! (Yoshihiro Murakami)
26. Re: Hiking with your dog (David Thibault)
27. Re: a pot for two and newbie questions (David Thibault)
28. Tonto de Abril (mikey chapman)
29. Re: PCT Thur Hike (hiker97 at aol.com)
30. Re: Park rangers (CHUCK CHELIN)
31. Re: Wilderness Press Books and YOGI (AsABat)
32. Protein shakes as trail food? (Marion Davison)
33. Re: service animal (Nathan Miller)
34. Re: Protein shakes as trail food? (James F. Miller)
35. a boot tale (Jason M.)
36. Protein shakes as trail food? (Frank Gilliland)
37. Re: Protein shakes as trail food? (Jason M.)
38. Re: a boot tale (juma)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:21:35 -0500 (EST)
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Thur Hike
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Say, I would just like to mention that when I do my big PCT thru hike, it will not be the weak and timid variety or a simple yo-yo. The PCT from south to north stops at the Canadian border. This is really sad and much too short. I am planning on going on to Deadhorse Alaska on the North Slope. This is a much more acceptable hike. In other words, you hike until you run out of land at the Arctic Ocean. I also plan to recon the route by the Alcan Highway and the Haul Road out of Fairbanks. I will do this on my motorcycle trike and pop up Mini Mate camper. No problem. The PCT should go on up to the far north to separate the boys/girls from the men/women.
Your obedient servant,
Switchback the Trail Pirate
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:43:26 -0900 (AKST)
From: mkwart at gci.net
Subject: [pct-l] Park rangers
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Brick is right about there being a difference between the law
enforcement rangers and other Yosemite Park employees who wear the park
uniform. I worked in Yosemite as the Prescribed Fire Specialist from
1998-2000. To those who work in the national park system, Yosemite is
the New York City of national parks--crowded, high profile and a boon to
a rising career in the park service if you can manage to get a permanent
job there. This was especially true for those working as law enforcement
rangers. The crowded park provided a litmus test of challenges for the
gung ho park police type of personality, and this includes wilderness
rangers--they are still part of the law enforcement fraternity.
It was well known among all park employees about the speed traps in the
Valley and the entrapment scenarios that the law enforcement rangers
pulled off in pursuit of dope smoking climbers and hangers on at Camp 4
and other places in the park. Yosemite is a city. But keep your head
down, follow the rules and there should be no problem. When I was there
people were still harrassed by park law enforcement officers in Yosemite
Valley for looking scruffy and giving the appearance of loitering, a
description that may apply to many hiker trash--I don't know if this
profiling still goes on today. I avoid the Valley whenever possible.
--Fireweed
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:44:04 +0000
From: Iceaxehikes at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insurance while hiking
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I got a short term (6 Month) catastrophic health insurance policy from
Assurant corp for my last long distance hike. The first two hikes I was un
insured.
Of course nothing happened to me on my hikes that vitamin I could
not "cure" so the policy was un used.
My uncle is an insurance salesman and he said that $1,200 for 6 months with
$500 deductable is about the norm for a policy without a medical screening
etc.
You pretty much fill out a questionaire, pay the money, and are signed up.
Looking back it seems a bit silly since I am back in the "working world"
now and am un-insured.
Of course if something did happen on a hike and you are on the opposite
side of the country from family, like the AT was for me, it is peace of
mind. Albeit very expensive peace of mind.
-iceaxe
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:44:11 -0800
From: mikey chapman <petergrubbfan at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Park Rangers
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hello Again, just to clarify,if you dont understand. This post is more
of a heads up for future PCT hikers. I fully support Rangers,I love
the bear fine,and I realize there will be people treated as idiots,or
ragdolls,ONLY because of the amount of unaware,or dont care
people(sucks for others). I was interested if anyone has heard of the
bear fine being handed out,arrests,details. As far as my friends
being treated unfairly and unjust,the specs dont really matter,like I
said,theres a BIG history of it(thats called evidence). The idea of
every Ranger being perfect is only a silly rant,come on. I was told by
top Rangers,that the reason for the jail and court is money,for years
non americans and people who dont pay fines have left Yosemite,only to
scoff at the fines,even though they are federal crimes! I also support
this pay me now attitude. By the way,the Rangers who do there job
well,would love to see the abusers ousted,no need to thank me now. I
only ask/demand the amount of respect a fellow human deserves.
Someone asked how I wanted the careless and lawless treated? The
answer,somehow worse then the law abiding. Dont feel bad if you dont
agree,I dont expect anything less from my fellow CSI-listers. Let the
rants flow,like a stream!
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:53:25 +0000
From: Iceaxehikes at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Flip Floppin Flippin'
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Squatch's newest film about life on the Appalachian Trail is one of the
finest trail related films I have seen. I was lucky enough to get an
advanced copy cause i was a backer on kickstarter. His film really captures
the life of hikers and trail angels in an accurate and natural way. It is
everything the Nat geo films on the trail were missing; the PESONALITIES of
the people that make the trail.
By the way, look for my 4 second cameo appearance near the beginning.. I am
so good looking on film! (NOT!)
Flip Floppin Flippin' will make you smile!
Availiable at Squatchfilms.com
(by the way, I am not a paid endorser.. I actually believe you will love
this film.)
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:21:03 -0800
From: mikey chapman <petergrubbfan at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Thru hiking with a dog
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hello Dana, thanks for the kind words. I do feel your passion is at a
very high level,I really respect it. My concern is that you have
mistaken "If" for something other then its meaning. I apologize if you
were offended. I stand by my "weak" position. I think I said," I love
my dog enough to" Nowhere does it say I love her more then you love
your dog. I didnt attack you,more like enlightened. I myself dont like
to use hiking poles,but the new place to pack em is a very smart
idea,is this how its done in colorado? My advice,if you seek pct
hiking with your dog,spend the money on the special needs cert,justify
it,and hike on. Well,ive said enough,back to the dry slippery slopes
of the sierra! P.S. A strong retort needs no foul words,its a slap to
all of our faces.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:37:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I was wondering if anyone has the
wilderness press books sitting around.? I thru hiked in 2009 and
will be hiking the PCT again in 2012.? I bought the books back in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike.? I actually only want
the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
the books I did not find useful on my last hike.? I was wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the maps and then I would mail the books back.
I also can't help? myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws" voiced by Yogi recently.? It's one thing if someone is going to start making bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to stop people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and definitely against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the thru hiker community.? Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite infringement and advocate restricting access to information.? Who the heck are we anyway?!?!? Don't be a corporate stooge.? Don't forget who you are Yogi.
Lenny
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:45:14 -0600
From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Lenny - I know exactly who I am. I'm the person who spends thousands of
hours each year researching, laying out, and writing my books. The books
are my property. I own the copyright. Nobody has the right to copy my
work and distribute it to others. That's against the law, plain and simple.
The data in my books is not owned by me. Afterall, anyone can figure out
what the phone number is for the Mount Laguna Lodge, or any other place
along the PCT. Anyone can draw a town map. But what I own is the MY
creation, which is putting all this information together in my book.
Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has the
> wilderness press books sitting around. I thru hiked in 2009
> and
> will be hiking the PCT again in 2012. I bought the books
> back in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike. I actually only want
> the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
> the books I did not find useful on my last hike. I was
> wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the maps
> and then I would mail the books back.
>
> I also can't help myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws"
> voiced by Yogi recently. It's one thing if someone is going to start
> making bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to
> stop people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and
> definitely against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the
> thru hiker community. Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite
> infringement and advocate restricting access to information. Who the heck
> are we anyway?!?! Don't be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are
> Yogi.
>
> Lenny
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:59:09 -0800
From: Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] copyright infringement of guide books
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Lenny, stealing information is bad. Stealing Trail Information is just
asking for bad Trail Karma.
Let me ask you this: If you value the guidebooks for their information and
how they enhance your hike so much,
aren't they worth something?
If your boss withheld your paycheck for the work you did wouldn't you feel
slighted?
You are already going to spend between 2,000 and 4,000 dollars to thru hike.
The guide books are not the place to skimp on money.
As a fellow PCT hiker of the year 2009 I ask you to Please do the right
thing.
Don't mess with trail Karma.
-iceaxe PCT09 CDT10 AT11
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:10:04 -0800
From: "Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: "Jackie McDonnell" <yogihikes at gmail.com>, "Lenny Leum"
<littleleum at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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reply-type=original
I'm with Yogi. Respect her hard work. Pay what it's worth and stop
cheating and stealing. It is beneath the dignity of a hiker. Thru hikers
might be unconventional and nonconformist, but they are also fastidiously
law-abiding, not just when somebody is watching or when it's convenient.
Trail angels unite: Lenny is banned. A sincere and public apology to Yogi
might be considered. We have a word for encouraging others to break the
law; it's called conspiracy. Bob Riess, San Diego
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie McDonnell
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:45 PM
To: Lenny Leum
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
Lenny - I know exactly who I am. I'm the person who spends thousands of
hours each year researching, laying out, and writing my books. The books
are my property. I own the copyright. Nobody has the right to copy my
work and distribute it to others. That's against the law, plain and simple.
The data in my books is not owned by me. Afterall, anyone can figure out
what the phone number is for the Mount Laguna Lodge, or any other place
along the PCT. Anyone can draw a town map. But what I own is the MY
creation, which is putting all this information together in my book.
Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has the
> wilderness press books sitting around. I thru hiked in 2009
> and
> will be hiking the PCT again in 2012. I bought the books
> back in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike. I actually only want
> the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
> the books I did not find useful on my last hike. I was
> wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the maps
> and then I would mail the books back.
>
> I also can't help myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws"
> voiced by Yogi recently. It's one thing if someone is going to start
> making bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to
> stop people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and
> definitely against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the
> thru hiker community. Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite
> infringement and advocate restricting access to information. Who the heck
> are we anyway?!?! Don't be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are
> Yogi.
>
> Lenny
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:20:32 -0800
From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The WP books have not been updated in some time. WP has told me they don't make money on these books. I suppose if we copy them rather than buy them then they will never get updated. They still are most descriptive of nature and history even if other sources are more current.
There's no need to infringe copyright anyway as Halfmile's maps are free and his latest include plenty of notes.
AsABat
PCT Water Reports Socal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
"Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
I'm with Yogi. Respect her hard work. Pay what it's worth and stop
cheating and stealing. It is beneath the dignity of a hiker. Thru hikers
might be unconventional and nonconformist, but they are also fastidiously
law-abiding, not just when somebody is watching or when it's convenient.
Trail angels unite: Lenny is banned. A sincere and public apology to Yogi
might be considered. We have a word for encouraging others to break the
law; it's called conspiracy. Bob Riess, San Diego
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie McDonnell
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:45 PM
To: Lenny Leum
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
Lenny - I know exactly who I am. I'm the person who spends thousands of
hours each year researching, laying out, and writing my books. The books
are my property. I own the copyright. Nobody has the right to copy my
work and distribute it to others. That's against the law, plain and simple.
The data in my books is not owned by me. Afterall, anyone can figure out
what the phone number is for the Mount Laguna Lodge, or any other place
along the PCT. Anyone can draw a town map. But what I own is the MY
creation, which is putting all this information together in my book.
Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has the
> wilderness press books sitting around. I thru hiked in 2009
> and
> will be hiking the PCT again in 2012. I bought the books
> back in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike. I actually only want
> the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
> the books I did not find useful on my last hike. I was
> wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the maps
> and then I would mail the books back.
>
> I also can't help myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws"
> voiced by Yogi recently. It's one thing if someone is going to start
> making bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to
> stop people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and
> definitely against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the
> thru hiker community. Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite
> infringement and advocate restricting access to information. Who the heck
> are we anyway?!?! Don't be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are
> Yogi.
>
> Lenny
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:25:55 -0800
From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Water Reports
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I am again compiling water information for the first 700 miles of trail at http://pct.4jeffrey.net.
I've received info this year for Mexico to Highway 74, and smaller areas north. But it's always changing.
This report is only as good as what you send me. I do try to catch info posted here and on trail journals, but the best way to send water updates is to email water at 4jeffrey.net so they get filtered in my in box.
Enjoy your hike.
AsABat
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Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:36:07 -0800
From: "T.Rem" <toddremy at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Food ideas!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi All!
This forum rocks- thanks everyone for all the great info and advice! This
topic has probably been beat to death a million times so sorry 'bout that.
How do I search the archives?
Anyway, I've about run out of meal ideas while trying to keep my menu
some-what fresh and varied so I'm looking for suggestions? Specifically
lunch-type food, obviously high calorie and light yet also cheap? Thanks!
Todd
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:40:23 -0500
From: Vicky Mattson <vicky.mattson at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Do any of the hiking books for the pct come on Kindle or nook? I would
really like to take a digital copies this year.
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:20 PM, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> The WP books have not been updated in some time. WP has told me they don't
> make money on these books. I suppose if we copy them rather than buy them
> then they will never get updated. They still are most descriptive of nature
> and history even if other sources are more current.
>
> There's no need to infringe copyright anyway as Halfmile's maps are free
> and his latest include plenty of notes.
>
> AsABat
> PCT Water Reports Socal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
> Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
>
>
> "Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>
> I'm with Yogi. Respect her hard work. Pay what it's worth and stop
> cheating and stealing. It is beneath the dignity of a hiker. Thru hikers
> might be unconventional and nonconformist, but they are also fastidiously
> law-abiding, not just when somebody is watching or when it's convenient.
> Trail angels unite: Lenny is banned. A sincere and public apology to Yogi
> might be considered. We have a word for encouraging others to break the
> law; it's called conspiracy. Bob Riess, San Diego
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie McDonnell
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:45 PM
> To: Lenny Leum
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
>
> Lenny - I know exactly who I am. I'm the person who spends thousands of
> hours each year researching, laying out, and writing my books. The books
> are my property. I own the copyright. Nobody has the right to copy my
> work and distribute it to others. That's against the law, plain and simple.
>
> The data in my books is not owned by me. Afterall, anyone can figure out
> what the phone number is for the Mount Laguna Lodge, or any other place
> along the PCT. Anyone can draw a town map. But what I own is the MY
> creation, which is putting all this information together in my book.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone has the
> > wilderness press books sitting around. I thru hiked in 2009
> > and
> > will be hiking the PCT again in 2012. I bought the books
> > back in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike. I actually only want
> > the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
> > the books I did not find useful on my last hike. I was
> > wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the
> maps
> > and then I would mail the books back.
> >
> > I also can't help myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws"
> > voiced by Yogi recently. It's one thing if someone is going to start
> > making bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to
> > stop people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and
> > definitely against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the
> > thru hiker community. Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite
> > infringement and advocate restricting access to information. Who the heck
> > are we anyway?!?! Don't be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are
> > Yogi.
> >
> > Lenny
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:44:56 -0800 (PST)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] copyright infringement of guide books
To: Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I love u IceAxe!
?
Sugar Moma??
?
________________________________
From: Matthew Edwards <iceaxehikes at gmail.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] copyright infringement of guide books
Lenny, stealing information is bad. Stealing Trail Information is just
asking for bad Trail Karma.
Let me ask you this: If you value the guidebooks for their information and
how they enhance your hike so much,
aren't they worth something?
If your boss withheld your paycheck for the work you did wouldn't you feel
slighted?
You are already going to spend between 2,000 and 4,000 dollars to thru hike.
The guide books are not the place to skimp on money.
As a fellow PCT hiker of the year 2009 I ask you to Please do the right
thing.
Don't mess with trail Karma.
-iceaxe PCT09 CDT10 AT11
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:47:10 -0800
From: J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Oh Lenny,
You have more power than you give yourself credit for. You can stop yourself from commenting about copyright concerns. And I wish you had.
Who is Yogi? You must be new here. She has hiked more miles on the PCT and other trails than you have dreamed of. She has written what many hikers to consider to be essential guides to the CDT and PCT.
The hiker community is not made up of one kind of person. There are members of both major political parties, and many weird splinter ones. Some follow the law and others are scofflaws. Giving copyrighted material away, especially to someone who might otherwise buy it is wrong. But you know that. It's not that person's right to give it away. Corporate stooge? What are you? Twelve years old?
If you accomplish as much as Yogi and create as much as she has, please comment on her right to lecture about people using or misusing copyrighted material.
[Steps down off soap box.]
Walk well,
J J
> I also can't help myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws" voiced by Yogi recently. It's one thing if someone is going to start making bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to stop people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and definitely against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the thru hiker community. Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite infringement and advocate restricting access to information. Who the heck are we anyway?!?! Don't be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are Yogi.
>
> Lenny
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:07:36 -0500
From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hiking with dog, Service Animals
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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If I'm reading this thread right, any pet can be identified as a "service
animal" by an accompanying human, and that assertion cannot be questioned or
challenged? In that case, the pet can go anywhere? This may be the letter
of the law, but if so, its very screwy and the law needs to be "tweaked".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Emma Dusenbury" <the.goodchild at gmail.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Thru hiking with dog, Service Animals
> I've never had a service animal, but I just googled around, and, as far as
> I can tell, it is illegal to ask for certification/documentation of
> service animal training. So please don't do that if you meet a dog owner
> with no visible disabilities.
>
> There are many non-visible disabilities (seizure disorders etc.) that
> entitle one to use of a service animal, and it's entirely up to the owner
> of the dog, whether they want to share their private medical information
> with you or not.
>
> Here's an applicable quotation from the first website I stumbled across
> (servicedogssavelives.org):
>
> Many Service Dog users choose to dress their dogs in a vest or other
> identifying apparel in order to make access easier, as it
> avoids many questions and confrontations. This is a personal choice, and
> is NOT
> REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW. It is illegal to ask for any special
> identification
> from Service Dog partners. Some carry ID cards, and may present them
> voluntarily,
> but this also is not required, and should not be expected. You may NOT ask
> for
> "proof" or certification of the dog's training as a condition of entry
> into your
> business. (In this case, I believe the 'business' would be the national
> park.)
>
> If there's anyone here with more expertise in this area who feels I've
> gotten this wrong, I hope they speak up. (You mean something I found in a
> ten second Google search could be inaccurate? Impossible!)
>
> -NoAmp
>
> P.S. My first ever posting to this list. Sorry if I messed it up somehow.
> :/
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:17:41 -0800
From: be hope <bh.csuchico at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Park Rangers
To: mikey chapman <petergrubbfan at gmail.com>, PCT MailingList
<Pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM, mikey chapman <petergrubbfan at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I was interested if anyone has heard of the
> bear fine being handed out,arrests,details
At the KO last year a ranger gave a presentation for the Bears, Food, and
Fire Safety session. I believe she was from the USFS. Time/other
questioners prevented me from asking a couple of questions during the Q&A
segment. So after the session I posed these questions to her:
"Does your agency, or any other agency, collect and maintain a data base
for those who violate the bear canister regulation?"
Answer: "no"
"Does your agency, or any other agency, have any records regarding PCTers
violating the bear canister regulation?"
Answer: "no"
"Do you have any knowledge of a PCTer being given a violation for not
carrying a bear canister where required?"
Answer: "no"
"What is your personal guesstimate of PCTers not carring bear canisters
where required?"
Answer: "10 - 15%"
I found the first two "no" answers surprising. Surely some agency must
collect this data.
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:27:03 -0800
From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Lenny, if that is how you feel about our copyright laws here in America,
then I suggest you move to China. You will fit right in over there. Any by
the way, it is copyright, not "copywrite."
I-Beam
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Lenny Leum
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:38 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
I was wondering if anyone has the
wilderness press books sitting around.? I thru hiked in 2009
and
will be hiking the PCT again in 2012.? I bought the books back
in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike.? I actually only want
the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
the books I did not find useful on my last hike.? I was
wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the maps
and then I would mail the books back.
I also can't help? myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws"
voiced by Yogi recently.? It's one thing if someone is going to start making
bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to stop
people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and definitely
against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the thru hiker
community.? Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite infringement and
advocate restricting access to information.? Who the heck are we anyway?!?!?
Don't be a corporate stooge.? Don't forget who you are Yogi.
Lenny
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:36:49 -0800
From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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It's not just the law. More importantly, the hope for some compensation for
the considerable expense incurred and time invested is one reason that many
authors, publishers, and other artists are driven to create the material in
the first place. Why would Yogi (or Wilderness Press or Eric or any other
creator) spend thousands of hours and thousands of dollars just to create a
book that you can share with your buds? Yogi, Eric, WP authors, et al are
nobody's corporate stooges.
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com> wrote:
> books from their garage, but trying to stop people from sharing
> information is obviously a losing battle and definitely against the
> collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the thru hiker community. Thy
> defend the corporate ideology of copywrite infringement and advocate
> restricting access to information. Who the heck are we anyway?!?! Don't
> be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are Yogi.
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:32:35 -0500
From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Lenny said: "....anti-establishment, nature of the thru hiker community."
You need to speak for yourself. I've never picked up any vibes from the
"thru-hiking community" that they aren't in every way good solid citizens
who respect the law and the rights of others. And that includes the
copyright laws. I'd suggest that you've got some thinking to do my friend.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
Lenny, if that is how you feel about our copyright laws here in America,
then I suggest you move to China. You will fit right in over there. Any by
the way, it is copyright, not "copywrite."
I-Beam
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Lenny Leum
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:38 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
I was wondering if anyone has the
wilderness press books sitting around. I thru hiked in 2009
and
will be hiking the PCT again in 2012. I bought the books back
in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike. I actually only want
the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
the books I did not find useful on my last hike. I was
wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the maps
and then I would mail the books back.
I also can't help myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws"
voiced by Yogi recently. It's one thing if someone is going to start making
bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to stop
people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and definitely
against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the thru hiker
community. Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite infringement and
advocate restricting access to information. Who the heck are we anyway?!?!
Don't be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are Yogi.
Lenny
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:44:40 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] a pot for two and newbie questions
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:43 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
>Very often hiking partners separate: Maybe sooner, maybe
> later, maybe temporarily, maybe forever, but usually while remaining
> friends. ?In the event of separation what?s to be done about shared gear?
I agree with this completely, with perhaps one exception, and that
being a committed romantic couple. That being said, I have seen the
trail bring couples together in a bond incredible close, and I have
seen the trail destroy romantic relationships. It is really a "trial
by fire."
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:48:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Park Rangers
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, mikey chapman <petergrubbfan at gmail.com>,
gschenk1 at roadrunner.com
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> > Anyhow,be careful out there. Has
> > anyone ever been given the $5000 fine for the no bear
> container?
>
> Is it only $5000? They should also make you shoot the bear
> personally. Might make some folks think twice.
While I guess fines are supposed to be a deterrent, they don't really solve anything. The punishments should fit the crimes, or at least as much as is possible.
-Nate the Trail Zombie
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:15:41 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food ideas!
To: "T.Rem" <toddremy at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Dear T.Rem
I had earned from someone. Input "words" in the Google search window as follows:
site:mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l "food"
2012/2/27 T.Rem <toddremy at gmail.com>:
> Hi All!
> This forum rocks- thanks everyone for all the great info and advice! This
> topic has probably been beat to death a million times so sorry 'bout that.
> How do I search the archives?
>
> Anyway, I've about run out of meal ideas while trying to keep my menu
> some-what fresh and varied so I'm looking for suggestions? Specifically
> lunch-type food, obviously high calorie and light yet also cheap? Thanks!
>
> Todd
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:16:27 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food ideas!
To: "T.Rem" <toddremy at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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earned --->learned
2012?2?27?8:15 Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>:
> Dear T.Rem
>
> I had earned from someone. Input "words" in the Google search window as follows:
>
> site:mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l "food"
>
>
>
>
>
> 2012/2/27 T.Rem <toddremy at gmail.com>:
>> Hi All!
>> This forum rocks- thanks everyone for all the great info and advice! This
>> topic has probably been beat to death a million times so sorry 'bout that.
>> How do I search the archives?
>>
>> Anyway, I've about run out of meal ideas while trying to keep my menu
>> some-what fresh and varied so I'm looking for suggestions? Specifically
>> lunch-type food, obviously high calorie and light yet also cheap? Thanks!
>>
>> Todd
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>
>
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> ------------------------------------------------------
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Message: 26
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:26:30 -0700
From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking with your dog
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Whenever I hike with my dog (local trails) my dog is trained to sit
whenever another hiker approches. Most people are comfortable with a dog
that is sitting as it is very unthreatening.
A funny aside, on one hike I came across a fresh pile of bear scat and was
wondering how my dog would react if we encountered a bear. About 10
minutes later we rounded a bend in the trail and there in the middle of the
trail, about 20 feet away, was a large black bear. My dog promptly sat
down. The bear ran off.
Day-Late
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:34:42 -0700
> From: Rebecca Mezoff <rebecca.mezoff at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiking with your dog
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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>
> I understand the desire to take your dog with you on the trail. I took
> my lab on the Colorado Trail when she was three years old. She was a
> trooper. She did the whole 500 mile trail, but I would never try to
> take a dog on a long hike again (and I met many other dogs at the
> start of the trail none of which made it to the end except Cassy as
> far as I know). She has walked miles every day since the day she came
> to live with me as a puppy. I trained with her extensively, toughened
> her feet, brought booties, many days had to wait out the heat when the
> trail was too hot, carried liters of extra water for her on waterless
> stretches, etc etc. Hiking with a dog long distance adds another large
> level of challenge. There were coyotes she took off chasing and lost
> her pack in the bushes (I had to wade through mud to get it), there
> was the time she went swimming with her pack and her food wasn't well
> enough protected and I had to pack out soggy rotten dog food for 3
> days and feed her some of mine. I constantly had to worry about her
> getting hit by a mountain biker roaring around a corner (and myself
> too!). But mostly, after about mile 300, she didn't want to do it any
> more. I had to bribe her every morning to put the pack back on, and
> her heart wasn't in it. She was healthy and usually warmed up to the
> hike after an hour or so, but she doesn't have the cognitive ability
> to talk herself into continuing something that is difficult day after
> day like a human can. Perhaps another dog could.
> I love my dog and will always go hiking with dogs. But I limit the
> length to a couple weeks. My next thru will not include a dog. (Also,
> I do believe that dog owners are extremely inconsiderate of other
> people. I always leash my dog when other people approach and
> frequently hike with her on leash when the trail is busy whether or
> not the law requires. I never take her to national parks -- except the
> few that allow dogs and then she is leashed and only on backcountry
> trails. I understand that many people do not like dogs and don't want
> an unknown dog coming up to them in any capacity, even with tail
> wagging and a big grin on. Unfortunately many dog owners are not so
> considerate.)
> Yogi's thoughts about dogs on the PCT are good ones. Maybe a thru of
> the Colorado trail with Lucy if she is such a great trail dog would be
> a better idea than the PCT. The CT is much shorter, has fairly
> consistent water, and no national parks. Of course the above
> challenges still apply!
> Rebecca
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
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Message: 27
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:40:40 -0700
From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] a pot for two and newbie questions
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I have to second this recommendation, even for couples hiking together.
There is always the possibility of getting separated or one getting injured
and taking a week off while the other goes forward to meet up later. One
additional point is that after about a thousand miles you may find that
your food likes/dislikes are way different from when you started the trail
and from each other.
And lastly I remember reading in a book - I think it was "A blistered kind
of love" that once in a while you will suspect your partner is eating more
than their fair share and minor resentments can arise - I know this sounds
silly but you really can't imagine how hungry you are going to be at times
on the trail. There are times when you will eat a big meal and a half hour
later feel as if you've skipped dinner.
Enjoy the trail - it is a great experience.
Day-Late (who was always ravenous from Yosemite north)
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>
> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:43:50 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] a pot for two and newbie questions
> To: Louisa Fischer <lulu.3 at hotmail.de>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning, Lousia,
>
> I?m a long-time and committed ultra-lite hiker, but I?m about to recommend
> that you add a bit of weight to your load. If you wish, please feel free
> to value my advice at exactly what you paid for it.
>
> It can be wonderful to hike with a close friend, but over 4-5 months and
> 2,663 miles things can change. Hiking styles are different or they change
> during a trip. Very often hiking partners separate: Maybe sooner, maybe
> later, maybe temporarily, maybe forever, but usually while remaining
> friends. In the event of separation what?s to be done about shared gear?
>
> No matter with whom I hike, where, or for however long, I am always totally
> self-reliant with my own gear. If I were to become separated from others,
> if I wish to leave town early, or take an extra half-day I can. If I care
> to eat glue-stew for breakfast and oatmeal in the evening, I can. I don?t
> have to worry if someone else wanders off with THE compass and THE maps.
>
> I have no idea how you value self-reliance, but I value it very highly. A
> small amount of extra gear provides options for both partners and can
> significantly reduce social stress.
>
> Specifically, I don?t carry either a pot or a stove. I?ve heard good
> things about MicroSpikes but I don?t own them. For low snow years you
> might consider shoe-screws:
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264768 or, like most hikers, use
> nothing at all on the sneakers.
>
>
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Message: 28
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:54:36 -0800
From: mikey chapman <petergrubbfan at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Tonto de Abril
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Thank you Reinhold! I love to read some of the archives,and I cant
beleive I never saw all these posts. Its really funny,adults acting as
children. What ever happened to that nobody Adam Bradley? Oh,hes one
of the best hikers of our era,Oh. Nothing says motivation like a hiker
cursed. Is this another Tonto,or is Lenny real? 2009ers? Anybody?
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Message: 29
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:49 -0500 (EST)
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thur Hike
To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Snow Bunny and Unsupported JMT wrote: Switchback,....the "Hard-Core" hiker....turned "Hard-Core" biker. Say, will long suffering Mrs. Switchback accompany you on this mind boggling journey? If the answer is YES, may I suggest you do this on one of those "German World War II Military Sidewinders"? You know, the 3 wheel motorcycle with the sidecar attached to one side.
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Switchback replies: No, I will be solo against the Grizzly and Big Foot. No problem. Once they hear I am in the neighborhood, they will beat feet out of the area.
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Message: 30
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:42:45 -0800
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Park rangers
To: mkwart at gci.net
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Good evening,
While it?s true that wilderness rangers are part of the law enforcement
fraternity, some local and state officers I know refer to them as ?chipmunk
cops?.
Steel-Eye
-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:43 AM, <mkwart at gci.net> wrote:
> Brick is right about there being a difference between the law
> enforcement rangers and other Yosemite Park employees who wear the park
> uniform. I worked in Yosemite as the Prescribed Fire Specialist from
> 1998-2000. To those who work in the national park system, Yosemite is
> the New York City of national parks--crowded, high profile and a boon to
> a rising career in the park service if you can manage to get a permanent
> job there. This was especially true for those working as law enforcement
> rangers. The crowded park provided a litmus test of challenges for the
> gung ho park police type of personality, and this includes wilderness
> rangers--they are still part of the law enforcement fraternity.
>
> It was well known among all park employees about the speed traps in the
> Valley and the entrapment scenarios that the law enforcement rangers
> pulled off in pursuit of dope smoking climbers and hangers on at Camp 4
> and other places in the park. Yosemite is a city. But keep your head
> down, follow the rules and there should be no problem. When I was there
> people were still harrassed by park law enforcement officers in Yosemite
> Valley for looking scruffy and giving the appearance of loitering, a
> description that may apply to many hiker trash--I don't know if this
> profiling still goes on today. I avoid the Valley whenever possible.
>
> --Fireweed
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Message: 31
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:46:11 -0800
From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
To: Vicky Mattson <vicky.mattson at gmail.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Sadly, WP has nothing for kindle except the data book. WP wants to make their next edition digital, whether it would be released digitally or just digitally printed
I don't know. This was their big delay, I've heard nothing in a while and am not holding my breath. Sometimes Ben posts here but rare.
But Halfmile's free maps or notes are pdf so they would work on kindle.
AsABat
PCT Water Reports Socal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
Vicky Mattson <vicky.mattson at gmail.com> wrote:
Do any of the hiking books for the pct come on Kindle or nook? I would
really like to take a digital copies this year.
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:20 PM, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> The WP books have not been updated in some time. WP has told me they don't
> make money on these books. I suppose if we copy them rather than buy them
> then they will never get updated. They still are most descriptive of nature
> and history even if other sources are more current.
>
> There's no need to infringe copyright anyway as Halfmile's maps are free
> and his latest include plenty of notes.
>
> AsABat
> PCT Water Reports Socal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
> Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
>
>
> "Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>
> I'm with Yogi. Respect her hard work. Pay what it's worth and stop
> cheating and stealing. It is beneath the dignity of a hiker. Thru hikers
> might be unconventional and nonconformist, but they are also fastidiously
> law-abiding, not just when somebody is watching or when it's convenient.
> Trail angels unite: Lenny is banned. A sincere and public apology to Yogi
> might be considered. We have a word for encouraging others to break the
> law; it's called conspiracy. Bob Riess, San Diego
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie McDonnell
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:45 PM
> To: Lenny Leum
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wilderness Press Books and YOGI
>
> Lenny - I know exactly who I am. I'm the person who spends thousands of
> hours each year researching, laying out, and writing my books. The books
> are my property. I own the copyright. Nobody has the right to copy my
> work and distribute it to others. That's against the law, plain and simple.
>
> The data in my books is not owned by me. Afterall, anyone can figure out
> what the phone number is for the Mount Laguna Lodge, or any other place
> along the PCT. Anyone can draw a town map. But what I own is the MY
> creation, which is putting all this information together in my book.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Lenny Leum <littleleum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone has the
> > wilderness press books sitting around. I thru hiked in 2009
> > and
> > will be hiking the PCT again in 2012. I bought the books
> > back in 2009 but the pieces didn't survive my hike. I actually only want
> > the maps from the wilderness press books, as the rest of
> > the books I did not find useful on my last hike. I was
> > wondering if someone could send me their books so I can photocopy the
> maps
> > and then I would mail the books back.
> >
> > I also can't help myself but comment on concerns about "copywrite laws"
> > voiced by Yogi recently. It's one thing if someone is going to start
> > making bootleg copies and selling books from their garage, but trying to
> > stop people from sharing information is obviously a losing battle and
> > definitely against the collaborative, anti-establishment, nature of the
> > thru hiker community. Thy defend the corporate ideology of copywrite
> > infringement and advocate restricting access to information. Who the heck
> > are we anyway?!?! Don't be a corporate stooge. Don't forget who you are
> > Yogi.
> >
> > Lenny
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Message: 32
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:34:48 -0800
From: Marion Davison <mardav at charter.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Protein shakes as trail food?
To: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com, pctl
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I've been working out with a physical trainer for several months, and he
persuaded me to drink a protein shake (Muscle Milk) right after my daily
workout. Today I did a 6 mile interval walk/run, and as I was drinking
my shake I was wondering, does anyone use this stuff as trail food?
Does anyone on this list do so?
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Message: 33
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:46:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] service animal
To: rob gratz <hikergratz at gmail.com>, shon mcganty
<smcganty at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, shelly skye
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>My girlfriend works in a hospital (also in Seattle) and does ultrasound.? She once did an ultrasound exam on a woman who brought her dog?with her?(for depression).? The woman insisted the exam be done with the dog laying on her stomach while she laid on the stretcher.? The dog was uneasy with the ultrasound, and growled some with my girlfriend's hand got too close to the dog.? Crazy.
I have the increasing impression that more people acquire such animals than truly need them, and that those who do need them over-rely on their animal.
-Nate the Trail Zombie
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Message: 34
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:01:46 -0800
From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Protein shakes as trail food?
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Dona and I used them last year and plan to do the same this year.
After Dona got off the trail I started buying granola and I would put some of the protein powder in there and add water.
I thought it was great
Bigfoot Jim
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:34:48 -0800
> From: mardav at charter.net
> To: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Protein shakes as trail food?
>
> I've been working out with a physical trainer for several months, and he
> persuaded me to drink a protein shake (Muscle Milk) right after my daily
> workout. Today I did a 6 mile interval walk/run, and as I was drinking
> my shake I was wondering, does anyone use this stuff as trail food?
> Does anyone on this list do so?
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Message: 35
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:43:41 -0600
From: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] a boot tale
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After becoming bored with posts about rangers and douches I decided to dust
off a story I threw together last winter. So gather round chillins...Uncle
Jackass has a tale to tell...
Now, Yogi Beer is a nice fella, good ol' Hikertrash in my book. If he
flagged down a truck near Rodriguez Spring, in 106 degree heat, he'd be
sure to yogi a beer for you as well. If you might be feeling a bit peckish
and low at Whitewater Hatchery, Yogi would slip away quietly to the parking
lot where picnickers were loading Igloos into mini-vans while their porcine
offspring texted siblings five feet away from them. He would return minutes
later with three flavors of beer, two cokes and a big shit eatin' grin on
his face.
"What're you so happy bout dude?"
" Got a woman back there's makin ya a footlong roast beef sand with
cheddar! It's so fuckin big I couldn't carry it all!"
Yogi is a frugal fella who couldn't be bothered by cubin fiber or carbon
fiber for that matter. This included footwear; $40 Wal-Mart shit kickers
were just fine for Yog'. After a long morning slogging through wet,
decaying, postholey snow on Fuller, Yog's boots began to show some
distressed stitching around the edges. When I pointed out the frayed fibers
Yogi shrugged, smiled broadly and chimed, "I've got a roll of duct tape."
So on we pushed, down endless switchbacks, fighting overgrown brush for
every step of trail. Down, down, down from the breathtaking highs of San
Jacinto to it's roots at Snow Canyon. Fuller had taken it's toll on us. My
gal, Molasses, had sustained a pulled thigh muscle postholeing earlier that
day. It had become more and more problematic throughout the afternoon. The
repetitive stress of walking downhill all day had left my ankle swollen and
unresponsive. Yogi's right ankle doesn't bend due to a metal pin holding it
in place, a souvenir of a motorcycle accident, and shin splints had swollen
his calf to almost twice it's original size. We had become the "walking
wounded" in the matter of an afternoon.
Our spirits were hangin low...belly of a stink bug low.
After draining the last of my tepid spring water from my Gatoraid bottle, I
limped over to the famed Snow Canyon drinking fountain for a refill.
Hanging off of the fountain was an unusual sight. A brand new pair of Asolo
boots. Scratching my head in wonder I began to think of the implications of
this aberration. Who in his right mind would leave a pair of $250 boots
just hanging around? I looked down at the state of my footwear and then
over at Yogi's. Yog' was leaning back against a boulder, cig dangling from
his lips, with an index finger poking through the hole that had developed
in his right boot.
I had heard before, "the tail will provide", but this was ridiculous.
Still a bit befuddled, perplexed, confounded; I sat down between Yogi and
Molasses and began pondering the portent of such a boon. Were these boots
up for grabs? Had some hapless hiker reached Snow Canyon, taken off their
shiny new boots, tied them with a neat bow of laces and declaired, "...wont
be needin these anymore..." and hung them on the fountain for a hiker down
on his luck? Hard to fathom...
Lighting my own smoke I took a second glance at my footwear. I would need a
new pair by Big Bear no doubt. And them Asolo's were some sexy footwear,
all sparkly and supportive. My aching ankle could sure use the
support...ah, hell.
"Hey Yog', go check out the fountain."
"I ain't gettin up man, might just sleep right here."
"No, really dude. Ya gotta check it out."
Groaning with the effort he rose and hobbled the five feet to the well.
"I'll be damned!" Yogi stood still for a moment, wiped some sweat from his
one good eye (he had lost an eye in an incident several years before - I
always got a kick out of tellin him to "keep an eye out for the trail"..."I
always do bro!"), shook his head and repeated, "I'll be damned!" He reached
out for them tentatively but withdrew his hand. Instead he returned to his
seat next to us.
By now I had told Molasses about the trail magic before us and the three of
us were in great debate of the boots providence. How had they come to be
here? Who might be returning to find their wayward boots? The boots weren't
just lying in the dirt, they were hangin from the fountain, surely they had
been left there on purpose. And so forth.
Now, Yogi is a nice fella, good ol' Hikertrash in my book. After our debate
Yog' turned to me and said, "you found'em dude, there yers."
"naw man, you need'em more'n me."
That's when Molasses showed her true brilliance, "what size are they?"
hmmm, good question. As it turned out, size 11, the same size that both
Yogi and I wore. "You take'm bro." "Naw, you found'm" and so forth.
Finally I convinced the man that if he didn't take them neither would
I...so he took them, and damn did they look good on his feet. Real sexy
boots I tell ya.
The next day at Whitewater, beer in hand, roast beef sand on the way, Yogi
was showing off his new kicks to Iceaxe, Socs, Birdman and Ido when a
tuckered out John Deer poked his head up from his mat and said, "Ahhh, you
found the boots." Have no fear dear reader, the boots were not John Deer's!
Nope, John had found one of the boots on Fuller Ridge, picked it up in the
hopes of returning it to it's owner, and shlepped it all the way to the
bottom of the ridge were he found it's partner laying in the dust next to
the fountain. Reuniting the lost soles he had hung them on the fountain in
the hopes that someone would return for them. Good ol' Hikertrash that John
Deer.
The trail is a strange place, an amazing lane where information travels up
and down the line with remarkable speed. Word had gotten back to us that a
hiker, Snake, had realized that he had dropped one of his boots on Fuller,
had retraced his steps for a mile or so, gave up on the boot and had left
the second boot in the dirt in disgust and de-feet. By the time that we
reached the Big Bear Hostel word had also gotten back to us that the
previous owner of them boots, Snake, had heard that someone was walking his
boots back to him. We were told by friends returning to the trail that
Snake had bored many a hiker with drunken boasts of how he was going to get
his boots back! They were HIS BOOTS! damn it. He had had every intention of
returning to Fuller Ridge to retrieve HIS BOOTS! just as soon as he could
arrange it. Hell, he'd even buy the guy a beer for returning his boots to
him, but god as his witness, he'd get HIS BOOTS back. Paid 250 bucks for
them fuckin boots, man...and so forth.
Now I have a feeling that Snake expected some scrawny 150 pound, gram
weenie, twenty-something college kid to hop out of the back of Gracin's
Suburban when we pulled up. We could see this 6'2" fella, shirt off, chest
puffed out, beer in hand, pacing back and forth on the porch, working
himself up for his confrontation. I do believe that word had gotten back to
him that Yogi had no intention of returning the boots...finder's keeper's
and all that. Snake was flanked by two of his buddies, one a beefy fella
that looked like he could hold his own and the other a hairy hiker who
looked as though he'd just as soon spork ya than look twice at ya.
I'm not a big guy but I've thrown and taken a few punches over the years so
I whispered to Yog', " I got yer back, bro."
"Me too," piped in our travel companion, Diamond Dave, who is a 6'6"
ex-pro-football player for the Colts.
And Yogi, well when I asked Yog' if he had trained before the trail he
said, "Sure, I bought me two pigs. Named one Bacon an th'other Sausage!" He
slapped his ample belly with a powerful hand, a gleam in his one good eye,
a pucker mark where a bullet had removed the other. "That was some tasty
trainin." Yogi was no stranger to violence.
Now, as I've said, I doubt that Snake had expected the likes of us to
disembark the white Suburban. Snake shrank back a bit as we stomped up the
steps of the porch. We stood there tense with adrenaline in our veins,
awaiting the confrontation. We were sizing each other up for the upcoming
melee. Uncomfortable moments passed...and passed...finally Yogi stepped
forward in his shinny new boots, smiled broadly, and offered his hand.
"I'm Yogi Beer, how ya doin!"
"Ahhh...those'r my boots, man..."
"Can't be, I found these boots hangin from a fountain in the desert." There
were a few more mumbled words exchanged and then Snake slithered away,
without HIS BOOTS! An hour later Snake handed Yogi his cell phone saying,
"Can ya tell my mom why your not gunna give me my boots back." No kiddin.
In the end Yogi accompanied Snake to the local outfitter to see if they
could buy Yogi a suitable replacement, but alas the outfitter's stores were
bare. Snake was unwilling to return to where Yogi had left his boots to
retreave them, and since he had repeatedly stated that he had always
intended to go back for his boots, this seemed a fair exchange. No go. So
two days later Yogi hiked out of town in some nice Asolos. A spring in his
step.
Fast forward a few hundred miles:
Sitting under some shade trees near the water pipe at the North Fork Ranger
Station, we were shaken from our repose by the loud blast of sirens and
frantic voices over the loudspeaker. Rangers were running to and fro,
vehicles sped from the compound at great speeds and a general sense of
bedlum had errupted."Fire! Fire!" At that moment who should come walking
up? Snake.
Yogi rose from his mat and headed towards the main building. "Where ya
headin, Yog'?"
"Gunna see if these fellas have any beer to lend"
"They're fightin a fuckin fire dude!"
"I wont get in the way."
Yogi sauntered up to the screen door of the main building, tapped twice on
the door, and looked back at me with his broadest smile.
"What'ya need man?" came the voice of a harried ranger.
"Y'all got a few beers I could buy from ya?"
"We're fightin a fire here!"
"Whenever ya got the time."
Yogi strolled back over and retruned to his mat. "Struck out, huh" says
Snake.
"We'll see..."
Two minutes later the ranger emerged from his bunkhouse with three beers
and two Cokes, handed them to Yogi and then hustled off to fight fire. Yogi
got up, walked over to Snake, handed him a beer and said, "no hard feelings.
Good ol' Hikertrash, that Yogi Beer...and damn did he look good in them
boots.
Jackass
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Message: 36
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:45:52 -0700
From: Frank Gilliland <frankgilliland at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Protein shakes as trail food?
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Since I tend to go "NO Cook" I have developed some rather strange food
groupings. I try to get some protein, carbs and fats into one single meal.
While not truly a "protein" drink, my favorite breakfast and sometimes
mid-day pick me up is:
scoop of Nido whole milk
two packages of Instant Breakfast
package or two of an instant coffee product (bonus food group: coffee)
shake it up in a re-purposed wide mouth Gatorade bottle and enjoy.....I
find that this drink pairs well with a Snickers.
StarMan
PS Bonus Gorp recipe: equal parts Frittos, Corn Nuts and M&Ms
I've been working out with a physical trainer for several months, and he
persuaded me to drink a protein shake (Muscle Milk) right after my daily
workout. Today I did a 6 mile interval walk/run, and as I was drinking
my shake I was wondering, does anyone use this stuff as trail food?
Does anyone on this list do so?
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Message: 37
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:54:22 -0600
From: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Protein shakes as trail food?
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2 Carnation Instant Breakfast, freeze dried coffee and powdered milk- this
gets me out of camp in the morning. I begin "snacking" about an hour later.
Jackass
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Marion Davison <mardav at charter.net> wrote:
> I've been working out with a physical trainer for several months, and he
> persuaded me to drink a protein shake (Muscle Milk) right after my daily
> workout. Today I did a 6 mile interval walk/run, and as I was drinking
> my shake I was wondering, does anyone use this stuff as trail food?
> Does anyone on this list do so?
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Message: 38
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:55:25 -0500
From: juma <juma3 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] a boot tale
To: "Jason M." <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
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Hmmmm...I think I saw Diamond Dave on the AT, or another one just like
him, last year up by Stratton Maine.
On Sun, 2012-02-26 at 20:43 -0600, Jason M. wrote:
> After becoming bored with posts about rangers and douches I decided to dust
> off a story I threw together last winter. So gather round chillins...Uncle
> Jackass has a tale to tell...
>
> Now, Yogi Beer is a nice fella, good ol' Hikertrash in my book. If he
> flagged down a truck near Rodriguez Spring, in 106 degree heat, he'd be
> sure to yogi a beer for you as well. If you might be feeling a bit peckish
> and low at Whitewater Hatchery, Yogi would slip away quietly to the parking
> lot where picnickers were loading Igloos into mini-vans while their porcine
> offspring texted siblings five feet away from them. He would return minutes
> later with three flavors of beer, two cokes and a big shit eatin' grin on
> his face.
>
> "What're you so happy bout dude?"
> " Got a woman back there's makin ya a footlong roast beef sand with
> cheddar! It's so fuckin big I couldn't carry it all!"
>
> Yogi is a frugal fella who couldn't be bothered by cubin fiber or carbon
> fiber for that matter. This included footwear; $40 Wal-Mart shit kickers
> were just fine for Yog'. After a long morning slogging through wet,
> decaying, postholey snow on Fuller, Yog's boots began to show some
> distressed stitching around the edges. When I pointed out the frayed fibers
> Yogi shrugged, smiled broadly and chimed, "I've got a roll of duct tape."
>
> So on we pushed, down endless switchbacks, fighting overgrown brush for
> every step of trail. Down, down, down from the breathtaking highs of San
> Jacinto to it's roots at Snow Canyon. Fuller had taken it's toll on us. My
> gal, Molasses, had sustained a pulled thigh muscle postholeing earlier that
> day. It had become more and more problematic throughout the afternoon. The
> repetitive stress of walking downhill all day had left my ankle swollen and
> unresponsive. Yogi's right ankle doesn't bend due to a metal pin holding it
> in place, a souvenir of a motorcycle accident, and shin splints had swollen
> his calf to almost twice it's original size. We had become the "walking
> wounded" in the matter of an afternoon.
>
> Our spirits were hangin low...belly of a stink bug low.
>
> After draining the last of my tepid spring water from my Gatoraid bottle, I
> limped over to the famed Snow Canyon drinking fountain for a refill.
> Hanging off of the fountain was an unusual sight. A brand new pair of Asolo
> boots. Scratching my head in wonder I began to think of the implications of
> this aberration. Who in his right mind would leave a pair of $250 boots
> just hanging around? I looked down at the state of my footwear and then
> over at Yogi's. Yog' was leaning back against a boulder, cig dangling from
> his lips, with an index finger poking through the hole that had developed
> in his right boot.
>
> I had heard before, "the tail will provide", but this was ridiculous.
>
> Still a bit befuddled, perplexed, confounded; I sat down between Yogi and
> Molasses and began pondering the portent of such a boon. Were these boots
> up for grabs? Had some hapless hiker reached Snow Canyon, taken off their
> shiny new boots, tied them with a neat bow of laces and declaired, "...wont
> be needin these anymore..." and hung them on the fountain for a hiker down
> on his luck? Hard to fathom...
>
> Lighting my own smoke I took a second glance at my footwear. I would need a
> new pair by Big Bear no doubt. And them Asolo's were some sexy footwear,
> all sparkly and supportive. My aching ankle could sure use the
> support...ah, hell.
>
> "Hey Yog', go check out the fountain."
> "I ain't gettin up man, might just sleep right here."
> "No, really dude. Ya gotta check it out."
>
> Groaning with the effort he rose and hobbled the five feet to the well.
> "I'll be damned!" Yogi stood still for a moment, wiped some sweat from his
> one good eye (he had lost an eye in an incident several years before - I
> always got a kick out of tellin him to "keep an eye out for the trail"..."I
> always do bro!"), shook his head and repeated, "I'll be damned!" He reached
> out for them tentatively but withdrew his hand. Instead he returned to his
> seat next to us.
>
> By now I had told Molasses about the trail magic before us and the three of
> us were in great debate of the boots providence. How had they come to be
> here? Who might be returning to find their wayward boots? The boots weren't
> just lying in the dirt, they were hangin from the fountain, surely they had
> been left there on purpose. And so forth.
>
> Now, Yogi is a nice fella, good ol' Hikertrash in my book. After our debate
> Yog' turned to me and said, "you found'em dude, there yers."
> "naw man, you need'em more'n me."
> That's when Molasses showed her true brilliance, "what size are they?"
>
> hmmm, good question. As it turned out, size 11, the same size that both
> Yogi and I wore. "You take'm bro." "Naw, you found'm" and so forth.
>
> Finally I convinced the man that if he didn't take them neither would
> I...so he took them, and damn did they look good on his feet. Real sexy
> boots I tell ya.
>
> The next day at Whitewater, beer in hand, roast beef sand on the way, Yogi
> was showing off his new kicks to Iceaxe, Socs, Birdman and Ido when a
> tuckered out John Deer poked his head up from his mat and said, "Ahhh, you
> found the boots." Have no fear dear reader, the boots were not John Deer's!
> Nope, John had found one of the boots on Fuller Ridge, picked it up in the
> hopes of returning it to it's owner, and shlepped it all the way to the
> bottom of the ridge were he found it's partner laying in the dust next to
> the fountain. Reuniting the lost soles he had hung them on the fountain in
> the hopes that someone would return for them. Good ol' Hikertrash that John
> Deer.
>
> The trail is a strange place, an amazing lane where information travels up
> and down the line with remarkable speed. Word had gotten back to us that a
> hiker, Snake, had realized that he had dropped one of his boots on Fuller,
> had retraced his steps for a mile or so, gave up on the boot and had left
> the second boot in the dirt in disgust and de-feet. By the time that we
> reached the Big Bear Hostel word had also gotten back to us that the
> previous owner of them boots, Snake, had heard that someone was walking his
> boots back to him. We were told by friends returning to the trail that
> Snake had bored many a hiker with drunken boasts of how he was going to get
> his boots back! They were HIS BOOTS! damn it. He had had every intention of
> returning to Fuller Ridge to retrieve HIS BOOTS! just as soon as he could
> arrange it. Hell, he'd even buy the guy a beer for returning his boots to
> him, but god as his witness, he'd get HIS BOOTS back. Paid 250 bucks for
> them fuckin boots, man...and so forth.
>
> Now I have a feeling that Snake expected some scrawny 150 pound, gram
> weenie, twenty-something college kid to hop out of the back of Gracin's
> Suburban when we pulled up. We could see this 6'2" fella, shirt off, chest
> puffed out, beer in hand, pacing back and forth on the porch, working
> himself up for his confrontation. I do believe that word had gotten back to
> him that Yogi had no intention of returning the boots...finder's keeper's
> and all that. Snake was flanked by two of his buddies, one a beefy fella
> that looked like he could hold his own and the other a hairy hiker who
> looked as though he'd just as soon spork ya than look twice at ya.
>
> I'm not a big guy but I've thrown and taken a few punches over the years so
> I whispered to Yog', " I got yer back, bro."
> "Me too," piped in our travel companion, Diamond Dave, who is a 6'6"
> ex-pro-football player for the Colts.
> And Yogi, well when I asked Yog' if he had trained before the trail he
> said, "Sure, I bought me two pigs. Named one Bacon an th'other Sausage!" He
> slapped his ample belly with a powerful hand, a gleam in his one good eye,
> a pucker mark where a bullet had removed the other. "That was some tasty
> trainin." Yogi was no stranger to violence.
>
> Now, as I've said, I doubt that Snake had expected the likes of us to
> disembark the white Suburban. Snake shrank back a bit as we stomped up the
> steps of the porch. We stood there tense with adrenaline in our veins,
> awaiting the confrontation. We were sizing each other up for the upcoming
> melee. Uncomfortable moments passed...and passed...finally Yogi stepped
> forward in his shinny new boots, smiled broadly, and offered his hand.
> "I'm Yogi Beer, how ya doin!"
> "Ahhh...those'r my boots, man..."
> "Can't be, I found these boots hangin from a fountain in the desert." There
> were a few more mumbled words exchanged and then Snake slithered away,
> without HIS BOOTS! An hour later Snake handed Yogi his cell phone saying,
> "Can ya tell my mom why your not gunna give me my boots back." No kiddin.
>
> In the end Yogi accompanied Snake to the local outfitter to see if they
> could buy Yogi a suitable replacement, but alas the outfitter's stores were
> bare. Snake was unwilling to return to where Yogi had left his boots to
> retreave them, and since he had repeatedly stated that he had always
> intended to go back for his boots, this seemed a fair exchange. No go. So
> two days later Yogi hiked out of town in some nice Asolos. A spring in his
> step.
>
> Fast forward a few hundred miles:
> Sitting under some shade trees near the water pipe at the North Fork Ranger
> Station, we were shaken from our repose by the loud blast of sirens and
> frantic voices over the loudspeaker. Rangers were running to and fro,
> vehicles sped from the compound at great speeds and a general sense of
> bedlum had errupted."Fire! Fire!" At that moment who should come walking
> up? Snake.
> Yogi rose from his mat and headed towards the main building. "Where ya
> headin, Yog'?"
> "Gunna see if these fellas have any beer to lend"
> "They're fightin a fuckin fire dude!"
> "I wont get in the way."
> Yogi sauntered up to the screen door of the main building, tapped twice on
> the door, and looked back at me with his broadest smile.
> "What'ya need man?" came the voice of a harried ranger.
> "Y'all got a few beers I could buy from ya?"
> "We're fightin a fire here!"
> "Whenever ya got the time."
> Yogi strolled back over and retruned to his mat. "Struck out, huh" says
> Snake.
> "We'll see..."
> Two minutes later the ranger emerged from his bunkhouse with three beers
> and two Cokes, handed them to Yogi and then hustled off to fight fire. Yogi
> got up, walked over to Snake, handed him a beer and said, "no hard feelings.
>
> Good ol' Hikertrash, that Yogi Beer...and damn did he look good in them
> boots.
>
> Jackass
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