[pct-l] HYOH- campfires

[Edward Anderson]

Brick, 
Do any of the alcohol "stoves" have a on/off valve. I saw a guy pour alcohol into a soda can and light it. I couldn't see the flame. I think it just kept burning until the alcohol was used up. That's why I am opposed to that kind of "stove".  - - - no shut off valve --- invisable flame  --- light weight ( can blow away if there is a sudden gust of wind ). Wouldn't that be considered an "open flame" according to regulations? Someone on this list suggested that adding salt to the alcohol would result in a yellow (or was it blue) flame. At least you could see it - but that does not address the other two problems. Canister stoves only weigh a little more, heat faster, the flame can be turned down to simmer, or simply shut off. Being a little heavier (combined with the canister), they are less likely to be blown over in a wind gust. My Jetboil weighs only 5.7 ounces.
MendoRider-Hiker
 

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 From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
To: "vet at schroll" <vet at schroll.at> 
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] HYOH- campfires
  
The basic rule for something to be a "stove" in the burn ban areas is
if it has a on on/off valve.

In really dry times, even stoves are banned, anything with an open flame



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:23 AM, vet at schroll <vet at schroll.at> wrote:
>
> Where is the a BushBuddy to place into all these "no fire" considerations?
> I plan to take my BBU as a supplement for my alcohol stove - or the alcohol
> stove as back up for the BBU, whatever. I like the small camp fire ambiance,
> the smoke with the BushBuddy and still it is a confined and "leave no trace"
> fire.
>
> AFAIK a BBU is yet an "open fire" in some places, in others it is accepted
> as a "stove" like canister or alcohol.
> Actually I think the BBU is more secure than a falling catstove with burning
> alcohol spilling all over
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>
> What are the regulations specifically for a BushBuddy along the PCT,
> expecially in SoCal?
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> sabine
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> ... 75 days to go ...
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>>Howdy Listers, Let me take this a step back,and then foward(or
>>not). I stopped at a popular campsite with a firepit last
>>year,lots of hikers,as we set camp someone joked about setting
>>a campfire. It concerned a gal enough to pack up her stuff and
>>leave,I was sure it was a joke. We were expecting huge socal
>>winds that night,plus it was in section A with a burn ban in
>>effect(against the law). We were all eating dinner and a gal
>>starts the fire in the pit,a couple of us were outraged,but
>>were calmed by a person who explained that she needed the fire
>>for dinner(possibly legal?),and we should chill. I cant
 tell
>>you how nervous I was,alls I could think about was being in a
>>group that burns down the pct,and maybe hurting people or
>>animals. As the fire went out,hikers scattered like
>>cockroaches for there shelters. Knowing my sleeping area was
>>downwind,and the realization that this area is very,very,dry
>>and full of dry weeds and various dry foliage,I had to make
>>sure that fire was out. I tainted my canteen with creek water
>>and soaked the fire with a few liters of water. I woke
>>early,before dawn,I left this area with a new fear. Every mile
>>I walked,I couldnt help but think it may be the last time I
>>ever see it this way. Its tough to know when to take a stand.
>>Is it your job to babysit adults in the woods,all while trying
>>to complete a giant hike? HYOH is great,but dont let it put
>>you in danger. You have to
 ask yourself,who am I to
>>put others in harms way?   This is not a message to say how great I
>>was or wasnt,its a message to you out there who might be put
>>in this spot. What will you do? (no need to answer)
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