[pct-l] Phobia to Snakes
Moynihan
mary.moynihan at gmail.com
Tue Apr 10 09:55:53 CDT 2012
I think it's hit or miss seeing snakes in the desert. During the heat of
the day they most likely will be taking shelter elsewhere, but if there are
cooler conditions then they might be lying out on the trail. SoCal is going
to have alot more than Oregon. I saw the majority of western rattlesnakes
around Belden through Mt Shasta. A dozen a day sometimes.
I personally have jumped farther and higher in my life when I've encounter
a snake, any kind for that matter. But they always have done the same
thing, no matter how juvenille they are, ad coiled up around some small
plant in hopes for some protection. After hearing about a black snake
slithering into "Black Snakes" sleeping bag while cowboy camping I feared I
would never cowboy again, but you know thru-hikers, we adapt well to naive
out-of-sight, out-of-mind practices and I cowboyed many a night.
Treat a snake like you would other wildlife. Give it space and walk around
the damn thing.
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> parks(Sequoia-Kings) (Ryan Christensen)
> 2. Snakes (Susan Alcorn)
> 3. Wet Week for So-Cal (Brick Robbins)
> 4. Re: Mt. Whitney views 4/7/12 (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 5. Road from Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows
> (Halmargolis at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Outdoor Industry in retrospect (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 7. Fw: [John Muir Trail] Incoming storms (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 8. SoCal Snow Skills Course "open" (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 9. Re: Snakes (shon mcganty)
> 10. loading halfmile's maps (Jerry Goller)
> 11. Hiking with the herd (Bigdave)
> 12. loading halfmile's maps (enyapjr at comcast.net)
> 13. Smartphone using real GPS (Devon Taig)
> 14. Re: Smartphone using real GPS (Devon Taig)
> 15. Hiking with the herd (enyapjr at comcast.net)
> 16. Re: There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or Bird
> Springs Pass PLEASE FORWARD (Lisa Peru)
> 17. Re: There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or Bird
> Springs Pass PLEASE FORWARD (Lisa Peru)
> 18. Re: Outragous Marketing Poly (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 19. Fire at Scissors Crossing (AsABat)
> 20. Re: snakes (David Thibault)
> 21. Re: snakes (leestcoast at gmail.com)
> 22. Re: Fire at Scissors Crossing (Brick Robbins)
> 23. storing food on the PCT (Alexandra Robinson)
> 24. Way out on a limb: anyone hiking with a pad computer? (Matt)
> 25. comment on horsepacking (Jane Overton)
> 26. commercial interests in wilderness areas (Jane Overton)
> 27. Quick Planning PCT (Richard Dulworth)
> 28. section hike Logistical Help | Trout Lake to I-90 (Casey Burnett)
> 29. How to practice self arrest when you live nowhere near
> mountains? (Heike Carrel)
> 30. Re: snakes (Jim & Jane Moody)
> 31. Re: storing food on the PCT (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 32. PCT water update April 7-9 (David Money Harris)
> 33. Re: Quick Planning PCT (Jim & Jane Moody)
> 34. Re: hiking calories (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 35. Re: snakes (Scott Williams)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ryan Christensen <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings)
> To: James Vesely <JVesely at edmsupply.com>, pct-l
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> Wow! Well said! Thank-you for taking the time to write this Jim!
>
>
> ProDeal
>
> ?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: James Vesely <JVesely at edmsupply.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 6:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings)
>
>
>
> I would have to agree lets use a little more common sense and a little
> less hyperbola.? ?
>
> I thing the decision to make commercial restrictions on wilderness areas
> was one of the finest moments in the history of our government.? One can
> easily imagine what it would be like if helicopters were allowed to fly up
> and down Yosemite Valley or what it would be like to be camping at a
> pristine high altitude lake with helicopters coming and going dropping
> people and supplies off.?
>
> Whoever follows pct-l I would think is a lover of the wild and scenic
> outdoors should be grateful to the "liberal" groups like the Sierra Club,
> HSHA and PCTA for what they did and are doing.? If saving wildness areas
> is liberal then we should all ware the badge proudly and really "well
> funded radicals?" give me a break, compared to the well funded commercial
> real estate, oil/gas, coal, lumber interests the environmental movement
> funding is minimal.
>
> And watch what you say about US presidents I am sure the liberal FDR took
> a lot of flak about dedicating 18 national monuments by the end of his term
> but can you imagine our country without them?? If not for liberal and
> progressive thinking we wouldn't have national parks, national monuments or
> any wilderness areas to enjoy today.? Don't fail to see the forest through
> the trees!
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Brick Robbins
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:27 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings)
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >.?As a Back Country Horseman, I volunteer many days each year working on
> the trail. <
>
> While Mendo Rider takes this as a personal affront to horsemen, this
> lawsuit is not about horses, it is about commercial use of the
> national parks. Only ONE of the commercial uses is horse packing.
> Others affected? "include back-country trips booked through REI,
> Outward Bound or any other commercial guide services."
>
> Just like Meno Rider attacks ANYTHING that might restrict horses, it
> seems many republicans blame Obama and "liberals" for anything that
> doesn't go their way.
>
> Whether or not Obama knows about this or legally could or would
> intervene, I'm not sure how a decision in legal battle in a federal
> court between the NPS and a Non Profit could be the president's fault,
> or why he would intervene even if he could.... Last I checked, judges
> don't work for the executive branch.
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> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:58:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Susan Alcorn <backpack45 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Snakes
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> To the hiker whose friend is terrified of snakes, I'd say invite your
> friend if he is willing to exercise mind over matter. We section-hiked the
> entire PCT, and even though we didn't see rattlesnakes (and other types)
> every trip, we did on many. So, I would say it may not be guaranteed, but
> it is extremely likely--however, not in large numbers. (I hasten to add
> that we have probably seen nearly as many snakes in the hills near where we
> live as on the PCT.)
>
> I, too, was terrified of snakes, so I completely understand. I can
> remember as a teenager being unable to even look at photos in a book much
> less get close to display cases in museums, etc., but I wanted to do the
> PCT so much that I would not allow my fears to dictate my behavior. I used
> several means to make the hiking possible--sending Ralph ahead :-), using
> my hiking poles to see what was in the grass alongside the trail, moving
> quickly through an area when I couldn't see the edge of the trail well,
> etc. And I sort of rehearsed what I would do if I saw one close by--jump
> back.
>
> Perhaps it was my own form of aversion therapy (which he might consider),
> but , my time on the trail over the past ten years has helped me progress
> to the point that I can usually "encounter" snakes on a rational, rather
> than emotional level. I still don't like them, but I can note them with
> interest and point them out to Ralph, who loves to photograph them! If your
> friend can conquer his fear, he will find great satisfaction in pushing
> through.
> Happy trails,
> Susan "Backpack45" Alcorn
> http://www.examiner.com/hiking-in-san-francisco/susan-alcorn
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:01:22 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Wet Week for So-Cal
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/08/two-storms-could-hit-san-diego-week-ahead/
>
> Tuesday the Laugna mountains could get an inch or more, especially
> slopes that face into the storm.
>
> Another one coming Friday/Saturday
>
> These are coming from the gulf of Alaska, so they will probably be cold.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:15:59 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney views 4/7/12
> To: "Len Glassner" <len5742 at gmail.com>, "pct-l"
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> Since Mountain Education is usually in the Crabtree area during the first
> few weeks of May every year, these pictures accurately show how little snow
> the Sierra actually received this winter! Considering these pix were taken
> the first week of April, fully a month earlier than when we go in, the snow
> level is so high right now and there is only a shallow pack above that!
>
> Normally for us, Crabtree Meadow is completely covered with 3 to 5 feet of
> snow and the creek winding its way through it is just becoming "visible"
> with thick snow bridges over all creeks from Cottonwood to the Middle Fork
> of the Kings. Snow level is usually around 9500 or 10,000 feet in mid-May.
> Looks like right now Crabtree might only have 2 feet of snow and the creek
> would be totally open.
>
> What this will mean to this year's thrus is that the creek crossings will
> be
> the main challenge while the snow/ice issue will only exist on the Passes
> (say the last mile or so on either side). Comparatively, if a hiker were to
> go through the Sierra "early," the snow bridges would facilitate the creek
> crossings most of the way to Tahoe to where the creeks become small enough
> to get through easily after the bridges are melted out. Going through the
> Sierra in this low-snow depth and high snow line thru hiking season will
> mean much more dry trail, higher creeks earlier, no snow bridges, crusty,
> slippery snow only near the passes, and an early mosquito hatch.
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Len Glassner" <len5742 at gmail.com>
> To: "pct-l" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:41 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney views 4/7/12
>
>
> > Some pictures of the west side of Mt. Whitney, from Trail Crest and
> above.
> >
> >
> http://piotrowski.smugmug.com/Whats-New-1/Mt-Whitney-April-7-2012/22334133_xd8JfK#!i=1784637809&k=hmbFVZC&lb=1&s=A
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:25:46 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Halmargolis at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Road from Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> In a message dated 4/9/2012 10:00:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> pct-l-request at backcountry.net writes:
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> Was in Yosemite Valley in late March. The road through Tuolumne was still
> closed. At that time there was some snow in the shady parts of the valley
> with snow cover at 6,000. As you may know, the road typically opens when
> the outlook appears promising safety-wise. There had been busses
> scheduled
> daily between the two. Once you get to Toulumne you'd likely know the
> details.
>
> Hal "Green Hornet" Margolis
>
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Fuller Ridge Conditions - Early April 2012 (J J)
> 2. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 52, Issue 9
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 3. Snakes (abiegen at cox.net)
> 4. Mt. Whitney views 4/7/12 (Len Glassner)
> 5. "Trail Angels on the PCT" (new documentary in production)
> (SylviaEnder at aol.com)
> 6. Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows (Rika Oli)
> 7. Re: Mt. Whitney views 4/7/12 (Jeff Eckert)
> 8. Re: Snakes (David Thibault)
> 9. Hiking for Multiple Sclerosis (Shawn Hudson)
> 10. Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows (Ken Murray)
> 11. Re: Outragous Marketing Poly (Faren MacDonald)
> 12. Business booming for once-troubled North Face | Full Page
> (Tortoise)
> 13. Re: Outragous Marketing Poly (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 14. Re: Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows (goslowgofar)
> 15. There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or Bird Springs
> Pass PLEASE FORWARD (Monty Tam)
> 16. Re: Outragous Marketing Poly (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 17. Re: There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or Bird
> Springs Pass PLEASE FORWARD (Lisa Peru)
> 18. Washington in Late June (Toby Maxwell)
> 19. Re: Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings) (James Vesely)
> 20. Re: Washington in Late June (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 21. Re: Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings) (Tortoise)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:01:12 -0700
> From: J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fuller Ridge Conditions - Early April 2012
> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Greetings,
>
> Hop and Skipper are strong, experienced hikers. They sent me this comment
> in a text message:
>
> "22 hours to get from saddle jt to fuller trailhead. Trail deep under
> snow, dangerous for most of its length."
>
> Walk well,
> J J
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:07:08 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 52, Issue 9
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I saw as many rare rosy boas as rattlesnakes. Only one rattlesnake
> "terrorized" me. This was just outside Warner Springs. He would not
> let me pass. I threw stones toward him and he wouldn't move. I had to
> run through the brush in a wide arc to get by. I saw one rattlesnake
> in Northern California, oddly exactly in the section the WP guide
> book author said I might see baby rattlesnakes. And it was a baby
> rattlesnake, too. There's supposed to be a rattlesnake that lives at
> the spring on the big climb out of Seiad Valley. I didn't see him. I
> saw more bears than rattlesnakes. 9 bears, 3 rattlesnakes.
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > I have a climbing partner who really wants to do the PCT with me
> > but he has
> > a snake phobia. a serious one, I know this sounds humorous but it's
> > very
> > true. He was one of the top ice and alpine climbers when he was
> > younger but
> > he has always had a problem with snakes. Me, I love snakes, I
> > really do.
> > (spiders give me the creepies.lol) But here is the question to the
> > seasoned
> > PCT hikers, Are snakes plentiful on the trail particularly CA and
> > southern
> > OR?
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:32:02 -0400
> From: <abiegen at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Snakes
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: Kathy Walter <kathywalter at me.com>
> Message-ID: <20120408143202.9F0UB.276698.imail at fed1rmwml206>
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> Kathy Walter <kathywalter at me.com>
> wrote:
>
> >A follow up question on PCT snakes: if you are hiking with a partner,
> would the lead hiker be the one to spot and startle the snakes? If Dan
> >took
> the lead in snake regions and if his partner stayed reasonably close
> behind,
> wouldn't Dan be the one coming nose-to-nose with most >snakes? Of course,
> this plan would mean they'd have to use the buddy system for bathroom
> breaks...
>
> I've led many Sierra Club hikes and seen many snakes including quite a few
> rattlers. This is what I have seen when a group goes past a rattlesnake:
>
> The first person doesn't even know they passed the snake.
> The second person gets hissed at.
> The third person gets rattled at.
> And the fourth person gets bit.
>
> Actually the fourth person has never gotten bit because by the time the
> rattle starts everyone stops passing the snake. The moral of this story is
> that rattlesnakes give you plenty of warning that they are there. They
> don't
> want to get stepped on or injured and they do go through the steps I
> mentioned - unless someone else has passed by recently and you are coming
> in at
> step 3.
>
> I do have a friend who was bitten by a rattler but he was climbing up a
> stream bed and reached up to a rock where he didn't see a rattler laying.
> On
> the trail you are very safe if you are alert and can hear.
>
> TrailHacker
> --
> "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:41:04 -0700
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney views 4/7/12
> To: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Some pictures of the west side of Mt. Whitney, from Trail Crest and
> above.
>
>
> http://piotrowski.smugmug.com/Whats-New-1/Mt-Whitney-April-7-2012/22334133_x
> d8JfK#!i=1784637809&k=hmbFVZC&lb=1&s=A
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:58:01 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SylviaEnder at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] "Trail Angels on the PCT" (new documentary in
> production)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> See website:
> http://www.pcttrailangels.com
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:31:08 -0700
> From: Rika Oli <rikaandoli at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I'd like to hike from Tuolumne Meadows down into the Valley floor during
> my
> hike this year, then return to the trail back at Tuolumne. Is there a way
> to get transportation from Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows? or is the
> only option to just hike back the way I came? I know that there's a bus
> that runs, but I might be getting there before they start for the season.
>
> Thanks for any advice!
> Rika
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:05:23 -0700
> From: Jeff Eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney views 4/7/12
> To: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <AEBAAC7F-8B34-47A0-9B34-3E7CBD481659 at cox.net>
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> Hey Strider, or any of you other geologist types out there. The top of
> Whitney, as shown in the link below, is a jumble of broken up slabs of
> granite. Do you suspect that they were formed during the upthrust, or
> through
> the effects of weathering over the centuries? I'm mentally contrasting it
> against the top of Half Dome which is comparatively smooth.
>
>
> http://piotrowski.smugmug.com/Whats-New-1/Mt-Whitney-April-7-2012/22334133_x
> d8JfK#!i=1784650868&k=pJ5fZGM&lb=1&s=A
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Len Glassner wrote:
>
> > Some pictures of the west side of Mt. Whitney, from Trail Crest and
> above.
> >
> >
>
> http://piotrowski.smugmug.com/Whats-New-1/Mt-Whitney-April-7-2012/22334133_xd8JfK#!i=1784637809&k=hmbFVZC&lb=1&s=A
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 13:20:14 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snakes
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> This really depends on how he reacts to seeing a snake, you said a serious
> one. If it is complete incapacitating panic mode then the PCT is
> probably
> not a good idea - I saw two rattlesnakes just between Campo and the
> Kickoff
> last year on a day hike, and probably 30+ snakes (of many types) the year
> I
> hiked the whole thing. If his reaction is really bad he might be able to
> work through it by visiting a herpetologist and getting more experience
> just being near snakes. If his reaction is real bad maybe a therapist
> could work this too.
>
> Many people are afraid of snakes but don't go into full panic mode upon
> encountering them - just get nervous and feel panicy - if this is how
> he reacts then he should be fine. My biggest concern would be how would
> he react to encountering a snake on a very steep trail. Would he tend to
> do something dangerous like jump over the side? Or could he will himself
> to calmly walk back away from the snake?
>
> Me, I think they are great and enjoy seeing them - my biggest complaint,
> with a few exceptions, is they don't hang around long enough.
>
> Day-Late
>
> >
> > I have a climbing partner who really wants to do the PCT with me but he
> has
> > a snake phobia. a serious one, I know this sounds humorous but it's very
> > true. He was one of the top ice and alpine climbers when he was younger
> > but
> > he has always had a problem with snakes. Me, I love snakes, I really do.
> > (spiders give me the creepies.lol) But here is the question to the
> seasoned
> > PCT hikers, Are snakes plentiful on the trail particularly CA and
> southern
> > OR?
> >
> >
> > .
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:31:10 +0900
> From: Shawn Hudson <shizaquawn at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiking for Multiple Sclerosis
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAOintKE9ZW2ApNrV_-WFJ6YmnYX+t52q3fpcf0EHi0mj3YzpPg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi PCT-Lers,
>
> I debated posting this here, because I wasn't sure what everyone's
> feelings
> were on people hiking the PCT and raising money while doing it, but I
> decided that in the long run, it's worth more to me, my wife, and lots of
> people with Multiple Sclerosis to risk stepping on toes than not.
>
> So, that said, I hope you're not offended by what my wife, Maury, and I
> are
> doing by hiking the PCT as a vehicle to raise money for a non-profit we
> really believe in (Myelin Repair Foundation).
>
> I'll keep this short, but I hope that you or someone you know might be
> willing to donate to our cause. Our website is www.makingmiles.com ...
> we've already hosted two 10k fun-runs here in South Korea (where we teach)
> and raised a lot for the Korean MS Society. The Myelin Repair Foundation
> is
> incredible, though. Over 80% of the money donated to them goes directly to
> the lab where they're researching ways to retard the reason MS debilitates
> so many people - it's endless attack on the fatty tissue surrounding the
> nerves in our brain. They've also been instrumental in connecting all of
> the individual researchers around the world, helping to streamline the
> process from lab to actual patents.
>
> Lastly, my Mom's had the disease for 25 years. I've seen her in and out of
> wheelchairs, in hospitals, falling down stairs when her body suddenly goes
> numb. She's suffered through temp. blindness, memory loss, and a host of
> other issues. Despite this, she managed to teach rambunctious middle
> schoolers from a wheelchair for many years, before she was able to retire.
> She's not unique. There are over 2 million people with MS. I was there
> when
> she found out the news that her friend (same age) with progressive MS
> died.
> So yeah, I don't take this lightly, and I hope you take me seriously
> enough
> to help. Even $5 is greatly, GREATLY appreciated.
>
> The MRF is, I believe, the key. And the work they do is not just
> applicable
> to MS. It's going to help those with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, as well
> as a host of other neurological diseases.
>
> Thanks for reading my schpiel.
> Shawn "Voodoo" Hudson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 18:43:09 -0400
> From: Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows
> To: "." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <
> 1066447806.1750041333924989879.JavaMail.root at zmcs03l-pol-08.portal.webmd.co
> m>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> check YARTS
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 19:44:48 -0400
> From: Faren MacDonald <fountainpen14 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Outragous Marketing Poly
> To: Hiker97 at aol.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAOMoZ=qgP4sPT0ncmLaRaYOeddDkurfs5M2YaUbzffhLxSAEUQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hey Switchback,
>
> Is the hands-free one ounce umbrella holder for real or should I look for
> it next to the dehydrated water? I'm having trouble attaching my Golite
> umbrella to my Golite Jam pack. I tried two velcro straps and they didn't
> work that well. Anyone have suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Faren
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:02 AM, <Hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, it is another disturbance of your tranquility and peace. It is an
> ad
> > for the Pirate's Lair at the 2012 Kickoff at campsite #22. This is
> > located between the restrooms and the entry road to Lake Morena County
> > Park. The
> > Pirate's Lair will be the center of all outrageous activity and trail
> > muses and lies starting Friday.
> > * Painting shelter stakes florescent orange
> > * Hands-free one ounce umbrella holder - a Switchback exclusive
> from
> > the inventor and developer
> > * Hiker snacks and hiking jokes notebook
> > * SuperSecrets of Backpacking seminar and dehydrated water demo
> > * Kickoff Donation Box for excess gear you want drop off for
> others
> > * The world famous 150% money back guarantee - no questions asked
> -
> > on all products and services
> > By the way, I will staying at Pine Valley in a nice warm, dry, remote
> > controlled motel Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. I don't want
> the
> > local
> > natives to get restless about the Kickoff and plan a sneak attack, so I
> > will keep an eye on them for all of you. No thanks necessary.
> >
> > Your obedient servant and trail knave.
> >
> > Switchback the Trail Pirate
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 17:00:43 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Business booming for once-troubled North Face | Full
> Page
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4F8226AB.9060902 at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Interesting article in today's San Francisco Chronicle on North Face.
>
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/08/BUSK1NVGDT.DTL&t
> ype=business&ao=all
>
> --
> Tortoise
>
> Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
> inevitable
> President John F Kennedy, 1962
>
> All content is copyrighted. Reproduction or use elsewhere is is expressly
> prohibited without the express permission of the author. Use within the
> PCT-list is permitted.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:45:53 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Outragous Marketing Poly
> To: Faren MacDonald <fountainpen14 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Hiker97 at aol.com
> Message-ID:
> <CAMCqdRt7=o7ebTwwhci6GY06-jOx_UhpKbzZuw_eSYtkxcjxug at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP
>
> Dear Faren
>
> This umbrella was developed for fishermen. It not a joke. It is a real.
>
>
> http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/21/0000759821/21/imgefd1272azik3zj.jpe
> g
>
>
> 2012/4/9 Faren MacDonald <fountainpen14 at gmail.com>:
> > Hey Switchback,
> >
> > Is the hands-free one ounce umbrella holder for real or should I look
> for
> > it next to the dehydrated water? I'm having trouble attaching my Golite
> > umbrella to my Golite Jam pack. I tried two velcro straps and they
> didn't
> > work that well. Anyone have suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Faren
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:02 AM, <Hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, it is another disturbance of your tranquility and peace. It is
> an ad
> >> for the Pirate's Lair at the 2012 Kickoff at campsite #22. This is
> >> located between the restrooms and the entry road to Lake Morena
> County
> >> Park. The
> >> Pirate's Lair will be the center of all outrageous activity and trail
> >> muses and lies starting Friday.
> >> * Painting shelter stakes florescent orange
> >> * Hands-free one ounce umbrella holder - a Switchback exclusive
> from
> >> the inventor and developer
> >> * Hiker snacks and hiking jokes notebook
> >> * SuperSecrets of Backpacking seminar and dehydrated water demo
> >> * Kickoff Donation Box for excess gear you want drop off for
> others
> >> * The world famous 150% money back guarantee - no questions
> asked -
> >> on all products and services
> >> By the way, I will staying at Pine Valley in a nice warm, dry, remote
> >> controlled motel Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. I don't want
> the
> >> local
> >> natives to get restless about the Kickoff and plan a sneak attack, so
> I
> >> will keep an eye on them for all of you. No thanks necessary.
> >>
> >> Your obedient servant and trail knave.
> >>
> >> Switchback the Trail Pirate
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-L mailing list
> >> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >>
> >> List Archives:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami ???? )
> facebook http://www.facebook.com/completewalker
> Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
> Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> JMT, 2009, 2010, 2011(half).
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1333935176.97744.YahooMailNeo at web112302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Rika
> There is a daily "hiker bus" that runs once a day from the valley to TM
> and back.?? I don't know when you are going to be in TM so you may be
> correct
> about it not being in operation when you?get there.? It is a pretty easy
> hitch anyway, so you don't need to hike back up the hill.? If I see you on
> the road when I'm on my way home, I'll give you a ride at least part of
> the
> way! (I work in Yosemite.)
> Katy
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I'd like to hike from Tuolumne Meadows down into the Valley floor during
> my
> hike this year, then return to the trail back at Tuolumne. Is there a way
> to get transportation from Yosemite Valley to Tuolumne Meadows? or is the
> only option to just hike back the way I came? I know that there's a bus
> that runs, but I might be getting there before they start for the season.
>
> Thanks for any advice!
> Rika
> GoSlowGoFar
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 18:47:57 -0700
> From: "Monty Tam" <montypct at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or Bird
> Springs Pass PLEASE FORWARD
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <52DD88A53F4D472C900ED3D9823D22AD at montytamPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dear PCT Family
> PLEASE FORWARD
>
> I just talked to Mary Barcik who has been maintaining the Kelso Valley
> Road and the Bird Springs Pass Water Caches for many years.
> She says she cannot afford to stock it this year.
> She has water out there right now, but the desert varmints are chewing
> through all the bottles she reuses.
> Her truck is old. Gas is high. She can?t afford to buy water from the
> store.
>
> After talking to her for a while I asked if WE got together and bought the
> water, if she would put it out for us.
> She said ?Of Course?.
>
> Last year she put out over 400 gallons. This year there should be more
> hikers.
> $400 might get us through the season.
> $500 would guarantee it.
>
> Mary does not do computer, Paypal, or any of that.
>
> To donate send a check to:
>
> Mary Barcik
> 5400 Kelso Valley Road
> Weldon, CA 93283
>
> Thanks for helping this year?s hikers
>
> Warner Springs Monty
>
> For more info on the location and importance of these caches see
> www.4jeffrey.net miles 616 and 631. In 2008 I saw a hiker?s life saved
> by the Bird
> Springs cache.
>
> PS Any communications need to be sent directly to my email as overuse of
> the PCT-L by a few has made it hiker unfriendly. I do not get these posts.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 23:10:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Outragous Marketing Poly
> To: completewalker at gmail.com, fountainpen14 at gmail.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <2cd2.31ce3574.3cb3ad37 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Yes, the world famous one ounce umbrella holder is for real. It is
> simply
> some gray foam pipe installation (buy at Lowe's or HomeDepot) cut to fit
> your umbrella shaft. Then use some Velcro to attach it to the pack
> shoulder
> strap. The idea is to make the shaft thicker, so it will fit to the
> shoulder strap easily.
>
> With the Golite umbrella, you have to take the foam off the shaft to
> lower
> the umbrella. My umbrellas does not have that problem, since it
> collapses
> at the top and does not go down the shaft of the umbrella.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Switchback
>
>
> In a message dated 4/8/2012 5:45:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> completewalker at gmail.com writes:
>
> Dear Faren
>
> This umbrella was developed for fishermen. It not a joke. It is a real.
>
>
> http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/21/0000759821/21/imgefd1272azik3zj.jpe
> g
>
>
> 2012/4/9 Faren MacDonald <fountainpen14 at gmail.com>:
> > Hey Switchback,
> >
> > Is the hands-free one ounce umbrella holder for real or should I look
> for
> > it next to the dehydrated water? I'm having trouble attaching my
> Golite
> > umbrella to my Golite Jam pack. I tried two Velcro straps and they
> didn't
> > work that well. Anyone have suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Faren
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:02 AM, <Hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, it is another disturbance of your tranquility and peace. It is
> an ad
> >> for the Pirate's Lair at the 2012 Kickoff at campsite #22. This is
> >> located between the restrooms and the entry road to Lake Morena
> County
> >> Park. The
> >> Pirate's Lair will be the center of all outrageous activity and trail
> >> muses and lies starting Friday.
> >> * Painting shelter stakes florescent orange
> >> * Hands-free one ounce umbrella holder - a Switchback exclusive
> from
> >> the inventor and developer
> >> * Hiker snacks and hiking jokes notebook
> >> * SuperSecrets of Backpacking seminar and dehydrated water demo
> >> * Kickoff Donation Box for excess gear you want drop off for
> others
> >> * The world famous 150% money back guarantee - no questions
> asked -
> >> on all products and services
> >> By the way, I will staying at Pine Valley in a nice warm, dry,
> remote
> >> controlled motel Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. I don't
> want
> the
> >> local
> >> natives to get restless about the Kickoff and plan a sneak attack, so
> I
> >> will keep an eye on them for all of you. No thanks necessary.
> >>
> >> Your obedient servant and trail knave.
> >>
> >> Switchback the Trail Pirate
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-L mailing list
> >> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >>
> >> List Archives:
> >> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> >> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
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> >
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> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami ???? )
> facebook http://www.facebook.com/completewalker
> Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
> Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> JMT, 2009, 2010, 2011(half).
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:09:36 -0400
> From: Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or
> Bird Springs Pass PLEASE FORWARD
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <57378D18-EA46-4BF2-8224-FAD8AF96C7E7 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> For anyone who is loathe to use snail mail and checks, I'm using my PayPal
> account to collect donations for Mary. Email me directly and I'll share
> the PayPal info. I will carry a few checks on the trail next week so that
> I
> can mail the donation to her on Monday the 16th (well, next time I reach a
> PO!).
>
> When I send her the check, I will list the contributors but not individual
> amounts. So feel free to donate the random spare change floating in your
> PayPal acct.
>
> I started this so that this year's hikers over in FaceBook could chip in.
> They're enthusiastic and I think we stand a good chance of getting a
> meaningful sum.
>
> Peru
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:47 PM, "Monty Tam" <montypct at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear PCT Family
> > PLEASE FORWARD
> >
> > I just talked to Mary Barcik who has been maintaining the Kelso Valley
> Road and the Bird Springs Pass Water Caches for many years.
> > She says she cannot afford to stock it this year.
> > She has water out there right now, but the desert varmints are chewing
> through all the bottles she reuses.
> > Her truck is old. Gas is high. She can?t afford to buy water from the
> store.
> >
> > After talking to her for a while I asked if WE got together and bought
> the water, if she would put it out for us.
> > She said ?Of Course?.
> >
> > Last year she put out over 400 gallons. This year there should be more
> hikers.
> > $400 might get us through the season.
> > $500 would guarantee it.
> >
> > Mary does not do computer, Paypal, or any of that.
> >
> > To donate send a check to:
> >
> > Mary Barcik
> > 5400 Kelso Valley Road
> > Weldon, CA 93283
> >
> > Thanks for helping this year?s hikers
> >
> > Warner Springs Monty
> >
> > For more info on the location and importance of these caches see
> www.4jeffrey.net miles 616 and 631. In 2008 I saw a hiker?s life saved
> by the Bird
> Springs cache.
> >
> > PS Any communications need to be sent directly to my email as overuse of
> the PCT-L by a few has made it hiker unfriendly. I do not get these posts.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:46:34 -0400
> From: Toby Maxwell <toby.m.maxwell at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Washington in Late June
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CACa7BFc8Yy3p8LOj=j3gSkcF59D0MLEQBTmtCPJOZBwBb0NB5A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am taking a little over 3 weeks to do some hiking this summer and was
> planning on hiking in Washington starting at trout lake and moving north
> (mile 2232 and on). Does late June to mid July seem early for this? Does
> anyone have an idea about what the snowpack might be like that time of
> year? Thanks!
>
> -Toby
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:54:04 -0700
> From: "James Vesely" <JVesely at edmsupply.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings)
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1B64CE751A7DE74FB3673AA17F6A154E5CC3D5 at mail.local.edmsupply.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> I would have to agree lets use a little more common sense and a little
> less hyperbola.
>
> I thing the decision to make commercial restrictions on wilderness areas
> was one of the finest moments in the history of our government. One can
> easily imagine what it would be like if helicopters were allowed to fly
> up and
> down Yosemite Valley or what it would be like to be camping at a pristine
> high altitude lake with helicopters coming and going dropping people and
> supplies off.
>
> Whoever follows pct-l I would think is a lover of the wild and scenic
> outdoors should be grateful to the "liberal" groups like the Sierra Club,
> HSHA
> and PCTA for what they did and are doing. If saving wildness areas is
> liberal then we should all ware the badge proudly and really "well funded
> radicals?" give me a break, compared to the well funded commercial real
> estate,
> oil/gas, coal, lumber interests the environmental movement funding is
> minimal.
>
> And watch what you say about US presidents I am sure the liberal FDR took
> a lot of flak about dedicating 18 national monuments by the end of his
> term
> but can you imagine our country without them? If not for liberal and
> progressive thinking we wouldn't have national parks, national monuments
> or any
> wilderness areas to enjoy today. Don't fail to see the forest through the
> trees!
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> ]
> On Behalf Of Brick Robbins
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:27 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings)
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >.?As a Back Country Horseman, I volunteer many days each year working on
> the trail. <
>
> While Mendo Rider takes this as a personal affront to horsemen, this
> lawsuit is not about horses, it is about commercial use of the
> national parks. Only ONE of the commercial uses is horse packing.
> Others affected "include back-country trips booked through REI,
> Outward Bound or any other commercial guide services."
>
> Just like Meno Rider attacks ANYTHING that might restrict horses, it
> seems many republicans blame Obama and "liberals" for anything that
> doesn't go their way.
>
> Whether or not Obama knows about this or legally could or would
> intervene, I'm not sure how a decision in legal battle in a federal
> court between the NPS and a Non Profit could be the president's fault,
> or why he would intervene even if he could.... Last I checked, judges
> don't work for the executive branch.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:27:52 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Washington in Late June
> To: Toby Maxwell <toby.m.maxwell at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> Good morning, Toby,
>
> The advisability of departing NoBo in Washington before July depends upon
> your motivation, experience, and appetite for route-finding over snowpack.
> In
> an average snow year in the Cascades mid-June is hikeable, but progress is
> slowed due to: 1) The extra effort necessary for walking, 2) The extra
> time necessary to puzzle-through the route-finding challenges over
> residual snowpack ? remember there will be many fewer hiker tracks, and
> lots of the tracks you do see will from local people who aren?t staying on
> the PCT, and 3) Then there?s the lonesome factor: Not every hiker is
> willing to deal with being substantially alone in big country for maybe
> days at a time.
>
> Based upon what I see around my area of N. Oregon, the graphic at
>
> http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/support/water/westwide/snowpack/wy2012/s
> now1204.gifis
> a fair representation.
> All that ?blue? means the hiker will see lots of ?white? on the trail
> through July and well into August.
>
> If my calendar wasn?t critical I would wait to depart mid to late July,
> then I would allow for probable slow progress when planning food and when
> projecting a completion date.
>
> Enjoy your planning,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Toby Maxwell
> <toby.m.maxwell at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I am taking a little over 3 weeks to do some hiking this summer and was
> > planning on hiking in Washington starting at trout lake and moving north
> > (mile 2232 and on). Does late June to mid July seem early for this?
> Does
> > anyone have an idea about what the snowpack might be like that time of
> > year? Thanks!
> >
> > -Toby
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:40:05 -0700
> From: Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings)
> To: James Vesely <JVesely at edmsupply.com>
> Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Well said! I agree.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:54, "James Vesely" <JVesely at edmsupply.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I would have to agree lets use a little more common sense and a little
> less hyperbola.
> >
> > I thing the decision to make commercial restrictions on wilderness areas
> was one of the finest moments in the history of our government. One can
> easily imagine what it would be like if helicopters were allowed to fly up
> and down Yosemite Valley or what it would be like to be camping at a
> pristine high altitude lake with helicopters coming and going dropping
> people and
> supplies off.
> >
> > Whoever follows pct-l I would think is a lover of the wild and scenic
> outdoors should be grateful to the "liberal" groups like the Sierra Club,
> HSHA and PCTA for what they did and are doing. If saving wildness areas
> is
> liberal then we should all ware the badge proudly and really "well funded
> radicals?" give me a break, compared to the well funded commercial real
> estate, oil/gas, coal, lumber interests the environmental movement funding
> is
> minimal.
> >
> > And watch what you say about US presidents I am sure the liberal FDR
> took a lot of flak about dedicating 18 national monuments by the end of
> his
> term but can you imagine our country without them? If not for liberal and
> progressive thinking we wouldn't have national parks, national monuments
> or
> any wilderness areas to enjoy today. Don't fail to see the forest through
> the trees!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Brick Robbins
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:27 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Judge suspends horse packing in national
> parks(Sequoia-Kings)
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Edward Anderson
> <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> . As a Back Country Horseman, I volunteer many days each year working
> on the trail. <
> >
> > While Mendo Rider takes this as a personal affront to horsemen, this
> > lawsuit is not about horses, it is about commercial use of the
> > national parks. Only ONE of the commercial uses is horse packing.
> > Others affected "include back-country trips booked through REI,
> > Outward Bound or any other commercial guide services."
> >
> > Just like Meno Rider attacks ANYTHING that might restrict horses, it
> > seems many republicans blame Obama and "liberals" for anything that
> > doesn't go their way.
> >
> > Whether or not Obama knows about this or legally could or would
> > intervene, I'm not sure how a decision in legal battle in a federal
> > court between the NPS and a Non Profit could be the president's fault,
> > or why he would intervene even if he could.... Last I checked, judges
> > don't work for the executive branch.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:58:47 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Outdoor Industry in retrospect
> To: <Tortoise73 at charter.net>, "Pacific Crest Trail List"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> History is always interesting, especially the older I get.
>
> I became involved with The North Face in 1972 when I started looking for
> sponsors for my PCT thru hike in 1974. Hap Klop and Jack Gilbert were
> running it. When I met them in Berkeley, Jack became my sponsor contact and
> gave us sleeping bags, clothing, and tents for our adventure (which it
> still
> was back then). Jack, again, sponsored my CDT thru in 1980.
>
> However, per the article, I guess it was in '88 that Jack and Hap had
> differing views on where the company was going, Hap wanting to manufacture
> in bulk overseas and Jack wanting to keep the company's product line
> smaller
> and high in quality, more to its original intentions of marketing to the
> quality and longevity-conscious climbers and hikers of the '70s. Thus, the
> split and Jack went on to create Mountain Hardwear a few blocks away.
>
> Jack remained our sponsor over the years of MH's growth. We still have
> their
> original black and white newspaper-sized catalogs from their early years in
> the '90s! They focused on quality vs. quantity of well-made clothing and
> equipment, some of which Mountain Education still uses today, 22 years
> later. This plan, to make quality gear for mountain climbers and hikers was
> the intent of many now-famous designers and builders like Kelty,
> Mountainsmith, Gregory, Great Pacific Iron Works, Sierra Designs, and many
> more from the '70s. Few are still in the hands of their original owners,
> having been bought up by bigger corporations like Columbia.
>
> When Columbia bought up Mountain Hardwear (at a time when MH was going
> strong), most of the staff jumped ship. The new owners did not have the
> same
> vision. When we began seeing their new, main-stream designs, we, too,
> decided to discontinue our nearly 40-year relationship with Jack Gilbert's
> creations and seek sponsors of similar gear and clothing that held the same
> intent of outstanding designs, quality, and longevity. They are out there,
> but few and far between.
>
> Rather than make products designed by hikers for hikers, stressing
> practical
> design and the above three, most outdoor gear and clothing manufacturers
> today simply copy each other and market to the masses. Appearance and
> Fashion are becoming the mainstream rather than function and durability.
>
> Now, this is not true of our new, garage-industry designers and
> manufacturers we see at places like the Kickoff. They were born out of this
> demand for practical function lost by the big boys. If you are a
> mainstream,
> average outdoor enthusiast, you will probably look in the mass-marketed
> places for gear and clothing made in its bulk way, probably overseas. You
> don't yet know what to look for in terms of quality, so you will buy what
> out there, go use it, and probably be fine for that once or twice a year
> outing. But for thru hikers who sleep 165 days in a sleeping bag, pound
> down
> 2,500 miles of trail, or wear the same shirt for 5 or 6 months on a single
> trip, most mainstream gear and clothing simply won't survive that kind of
> use (abuse?). It used to though...
>
> I'm sure there are many more of the "old guard" out there who can chime in
> on this one!
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tortoise" <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> To: "Pacific Crest Trail List" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:00 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Business booming for once-troubled North Face | Full Page
>
>
> > Interesting article in today's San Francisco Chronicle on North Face.
> >
> >
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/08/BUSK1NVGDT.DTL&type=business&ao=all
> >
> > --
> > Tortoise
> >
> > Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent
> revolution
> > inevitable
> > President John F Kennedy, 1962
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:08:17 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: [John Muir Trail] Incoming storms
> To: "Pacific Crest Trail List" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
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>
> As John Ladd said at the John Muir Trail Yahoogroup Forum below, It's not
> over yet, so be careful out there!
>
> Even though the weather looks like its changing seasons, always keep your
> eyes on the sky and clouds. Saturday in Tahoe we saw a ring around the sun
> meaning a storm from was heading our way in a few days. Looks like its
> going to be a wet week!
>
> For those already out on-trail, make sure your shelters can take
> wind-driven rain and snow, stay dressed warm, and don't get wet!
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Ladd
> To: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 9:08 AM
> Subject: [John Muir Trail] Incoming storms
>
>
>
>
> It's not over until it's over. Still, I don't think early permit holders
> need worry much.
>
>
> John Dittli and his fellow snow survey folks will be giving us one more
> update - the May 1 readings.
>
>
> http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/096.html
>
>
> Sierra Nevada from Yosemite to Kings Canyon
>
> Special Weather Statement
> Statement as of 4:29 AM PDT on April 09, 2012
>
> ... Unsettled Tuesday night through Saturday...
>
> A Pacific storm will approach California Tuesday... then move
> inland Tuesday night. Rain will first begin on the west side of
> the San Joaquin Valley late Tuesday afternoon... spreading inland
> Tuesday night. The snow level will lower to between 5000 and 6000
> feet by Wednesday morning... with up to a foot of new snow possible
> above 7000 feet. Scattered to numerous showers will linger into
> Wednesday... but will be decreasing during the day.
>
> Partial clearing will occur Wednesday night and Thursday. A few
> lingering showers are possible from Fresno north... but no
> significant rain or snow is expected.
>
> A second storm is forecast to reach central California Friday.
> Rain will spread inland Thursday night and continue Friday. This
> will be a slightly cooler and stronger storm... with significant
> rain and mountain snow possible. The snow level could fall to
> to around 4000 feet Friday... and could cause travel problems on
> the Grapevine and Tehachapi Pass.
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:53:16 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] SoCal Snow Skills Course "open"
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
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> Mountain Education has received sufficient interest in our 2-day Southern
> California Snow Skills Course to open it up for registration! (May 5 & 6)
>
> If you are interested and able to attend, we need you to go to our website
> http://www.mountaineducation.org/mountain-education-pages/courses/ and
> click on "Download our course application" (just under the rotating
> pictures is the link), then fill out the doc. file, and attach it to an
> email back to us. Send them to ned at mountaineducation.org
>
> If there is enough student commitment to run the course, we will publish
> the Course Description so everyone can know what to expect and the rest of
> its' Course details.
>
> The quicker everyone signs up, the quicker everyone can make plans to
> attend!
>
> Also, there is a chance that there may not be enough snow to make this
> course happen, even if we do have enough students. As of today (4/9/12),
> there is about 2 or 3 feet of snow up at Saddle Junction, the amount we
> will need to run the course in a month. Although there is another week of
> weather (snow or rain) coming this week, we'll just have to see how much
> snow remains up there as April progresses.
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:57:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snakes
> To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
>
> I agree with what?DAvid says, " If it is complete incapacitating panic
> mode then the PCT is probably
> not a good idea"
> If you need to have a helicopter evacuation because a group of rattlers
> are at your feet, you shouldn't hike in rattlesnake country.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snakes
>
> This really depends on how he reacts to seeing a snake, you said a serious
> one.? If it is complete incapacitating panic mode then the PCT is probably
> not a good idea - I saw two rattlesnakes just between Campo and the Kickoff
> last year on a day hike, and probably 30+ snakes (of many types) the year I
> hiked the whole thing.? If his reaction is really bad he might be able to
> work through it by visiting a herpetologist and getting more experience
> just being near snakes.? If his reaction is real bad maybe a therapist
> could work this too.
>
> Many people are afraid of snakes but don't go into full panic mode upon
> encountering them - just get nervous and feel panicy - if this is how
> he reacts then he should be fine.? My biggest concern would be how would
> he react to encountering a snake on a very steep trail.? Would he tend to
> do something dangerous like jump over the side?? Or could he will himself
> to calmly walk back away from the snake?
>
> Me, I think they are great and enjoy seeing them - my biggest complaint,
> with a few exceptions, is they don't hang around long enough.
>
> Day-Late
>
> >
> > I have a climbing partner who really wants to do the PCT with me but he
> has
> > a snake phobia. a serious one, I know this sounds humorous but it's very
> > true.? He was one of the top ice and alpine climbers when he was younger
> > but
> > he has always had a problem with snakes. Me, I love snakes, I really do.
> > (spiders give me the creepies.lol) But here is the question to the
> seasoned
> > PCT hikers, Are snakes plentiful on the trail particularly CA and
> southern
> > OR?
> >
> >
> > .
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:19:45 -0600
> From: "Jerry Goller" <geartester at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] loading halfmile's maps
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Can anyone give me so help with loading halfmile's .gpx files onto my new
> Garmin 62s?
>
> Jerry
>
> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
> reviews on the planet.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:10:29 -0700
> From: Bigdave <bigdave at bigdavemason.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiking with the herd
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <57EAC453-0A52-4AF8-95AF-647785BD1AD2 at bigdavemason.com>
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> I want to section hike section D with the herd. When do you suggest I
> start?
>
> Midlife II
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:57:45 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] loading halfmile's maps
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <
> 1063380308.1310403.1334008665210.JavaMail.root at sz0027a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> > Can anyone give me so help with loading halfmile's .gpx files onto my new
> Garmin 62s?
>
> Go to the 'source' of Halfmile maps: <http://www.pctmap.net/gps/index.html
> >...
>
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:38:26 -0600
> From: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Smartphone using real GPS
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Does anyone know if there are any smart phones out there that use true GPS
> (and not Assisted GPS (AGPS) which relies on a cell-tower for initial
> acquisition)? I can't seem to find a good Googled page on this question.
> On my Nokia Windows Phone (which I believe to be typical of most
> smart-phones regarding GPS), it doesn't work well as a GPS from a cold
> start in remote areas. If the phone is on as you drive out of town and
> then hike into a remote area (and always leave the phone on) it seems to do
> fine. Of course, that's not a practical solution.
>
> River
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:40:50 -0600
> From: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smartphone using real GPS
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CAJ-PrArutjRJZ3iPqF1OxSmC2Z1Pik4hLRZPVbvM1Gmkz_0JPA at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Actually, just to answer my own question, here's a list
>
> http://blog.ciuly.com/uncategorized/list-of-gsm-phones-with-real-standalone-gps/
> Now, does anyone have experience with these?
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if there are any smart phones out there that use true
> GPS
> > (and not Assisted GPS (AGPS) which relies on a cell-tower for initial
> > acquisition)? I can't seem to find a good Googled page on this question.
> > On my Nokia Windows Phone (which I believe to be typical of most
> > smart-phones regarding GPS), it doesn't work well as a GPS from a cold
> > start in remote areas. If the phone is on as you drive out of town and
> > then hike into a remote area (and always leave the phone on) it seems to
> do
> > fine. Of course, that's not a practical solution.
> >
> > River
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:55:33 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiking with the herd
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> 218899793.1313530.1334012133348.JavaMail.root at sz0027a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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> > I want to section hike section D with the herd. When do you suggest I
> start?
>
> ADZ is the last weekend in April...
> I would say the 'average' is slightly over 4 weeks to get to Agua Dulce
> (end of Section D) from Campo -
> so that would be about Memorial Day (May 28th)...
> Section D is ~112.5 miles from Cajon Summit to Agua Dulce...
> Depending on how many miles per day you plan to walk - work 'backwards' to
> figure your start date...
> A week one way or the other will probably still have a 'herd' feel to it
> with plenty of thrus around on the trail...
>
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:12:00 -0400
> From: Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or
> Bird Springs Pass PLEASE FORWARD
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <C2E7394E-5597-434A-B124-9AB7875B3C0B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Wow. Using PayPal, I have collected over $300 for Mary and the caches in
> under 24 hours. Most of the donations are from the current year hikers on
> Facebook, but a number have come from pct-l people who find PayPal more
> convenient. I also know via off list messages of at least five people send
> checks directly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> >> On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:47 PM, "Monty Tam" <montypct at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear PCT Family
> >>> PLEASE FORWARD
> >>>
> >>> I just talked to Mary Barcik who has been maintaining the Kelso Valley
> Road and the Bird Springs Pass Water Caches for many years.
> >>> She says she cannot afford to stock it this year.
> >>> She has water out there right now, but the desert varmints are chewing
> through all the bottles she reuses.
> >>> Her truck is old. Gas is high. She can?t afford to buy water from the
> store.
> >>>
> >>> After talking to her for a while I asked if WE got together and bought
> the water, if she would put it out for us.
> >>> She said ?Of Course?.
> >>>
> >>> Last year she put out over 400 gallons. This year there should be more
> hikers.
> >>> $400 might get us through the season.
> >>> $500 would guarantee it.
> >>>
> >>> Mary does not do computer, Paypal, or any of that.
> >>>
> >>> To donate send a check to:
> >>>
> >>> Mary Barcik
> >>> 5400 Kelso Valley Road
> >>> Weldon, CA 93283
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for helping this year?s hikers
> >>>
> >>> Warner Springs Monty
> >>>
> >>> For more info on the location and importance of these caches see
> www.4jeffrey.net miles 616 and 631. In 2008 I saw a hiker?s life saved by
> the Bird Springs cache.
> >>>
> >>> PS Any communications need to be sent directly to my email as overuse
> of the PCT-L by a few has made it hiker unfriendly. I do not get these
> posts.
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Pct-L mailing list
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> >>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:17:38 -0400
> From: Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] There will be no caches at Kelso Valley Road or
> Bird Springs Pass PLEASE FORWARD
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <D6B72102-024A-4521-AC04-BAC6A596C07C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Oops, I hit send before I was done editing. Anyway, I hope Mary will be
> pleased and know that this yea'rs hikers understand that water caches can
> literally save lives. Compared to what the medicos charge to save a life,
> it's a bargain!
>
> Peru
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Lisa Peru <lisaperu2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow. Using PayPal, I have collected over $300 for Mary and the caches in
> under 24 hours. Most of the donations are from the current year hikers on
> Facebook, but a number have come from pct-l people who find PayPal more
> convenient. I also know via off list messages of at least five people send
> checks directly.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:47 PM, "Monty Tam" <montypct at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear PCT Family
> >>>> PLEASE FORWARD
> >>>>
> >>>> I just talked to Mary Barcik who has been maintaining the Kelso
> Valley Road and the Bird Springs Pass Water Caches for many years.
> >>>> She says she cannot afford to stock it this year.
> >>>> She has water out there right now, but the desert varmints are
> chewing through all the bottles she reuses.
> >>>> Her truck is old. Gas is high. She can?t afford to buy water from the
> store.
> >>>>
> >>>> After talking to her for a while I asked if WE got together and
> bought the water, if she would put it out for us.
> >>>> She said ?Of Course?.
> >>>>
> >>>> Last year she put out over 400 gallons. This year there should be
> more hikers.
> >>>> $400 might get us through the season.
> >>>> $500 would guarantee it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mary does not do computer, Paypal, or any of that.
> >>>>
> >>>> To donate send a check to:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mary Barcik
> >>>> 5400 Kelso Valley Road
> >>>> Weldon, CA 93283
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for helping this year?s hikers
> >>>>
> >>>> Warner Springs Monty
> >>>>
> >>>> For more info on the location and importance of these caches see
> www.4jeffrey.net miles 616 and 631. In 2008 I saw a hiker?s life saved by
> the Bird Springs cache.
> >>>>
> >>>> PS Any communications need to be sent directly to my email as overuse
> of the PCT-L by a few has made it hiker unfriendly. I do not get these
> posts.
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Pct-L mailing list
> >>>> Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >>>> To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >>>>
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> >>>> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/
> >>>> All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> >>>> Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:13:51 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Outragous Marketing Poly
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <C0D6AEF6-3C93-4075-BA2D-74DA0ED7C828 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> I was successful in using two pieces of shock-cord with cord-locks on
> my left shoulder strap, one at the shoulder and one further down, and
> then I used the dangling waist belt webbing of my backpack and the
> handle strap of the umbrella as a third place to tie it down. Three
> points of contact seemed to be the charm. Hands-free.
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > Hey Switchback,
> >
> > Is the hands-free one ounce umbrella holder for real or should I
> > look for
> > it next to the dehydrated water? I'm having trouble attaching my
> > Golite
> > umbrella to my Golite Jam pack. I tried two velcro straps and they
> > didn't
> > work that well. Anyone have suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Faren
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:18:18 -0700
> From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fire at Scissors Crossing
> To: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <9b7e45fa-3b35-42f5-9112-34ea3011d5a6 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Ten acres both sides of Hwy 78 right at the bridge over San Felipe Creek
> where the trail meets the highway. Highway closed until late tonight. Fire
> stopped. Please be careful out there.
>
> AsABat
> PCT Water Reports Socal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
> Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:21:51 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAD-wsev6+OeXU5J8eOWgccL1bUZNDaEPAi9wMK39fk3c3zTHxw at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Generally throwing stones at a snake doesn't work very well. I suspect
> they don't really understand where the threat is coming from so they just
> stay where they are. If they move they might actually go toward the threat
> -- so their best option is to stay where they are.
>
>
> The best way I've found to get a snake to move from the trail is to use a
> big brushy stick with lots of leaves (or needles). The snake will always
> head the other way. Of course there are some spots on the PCT where your
> chances of finding a big brushy stick is much less then your chance of
> finding a stubborn snake.
>
> A hiking pole will also work but you tend to get a bit closer
> (uncomfortably closer for most folks) to the snake than using the branch
> method.
>
> Day-Late (the mover of many a snake)
>
> .. Only one rattlesnake
> > "terrorized" me. This was just outside Warner Springs. He would not
> > let me pass. I threw stones toward him and he wouldn't move. I had to
> > run through the brush in a wide arc to get by..
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:05:19 +0000
> From: leestcoast at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes
> To: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net,pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>
> <1377863240-1334030707-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1598724654- at b16.c2.bise6.blackberry
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Rattlesnakes will freeze and refuse to move as a 1st response to a
> perceived threat - it's a defensive response - if it doesn't move maybe it
> won't be seen! I once ran into a red diamondback on Mt Laguna - it wouldn't
> move until I retreated a bit, stood still, after abt five minutes, it went
> off the trail and into the brush. They will move if they feel it's safe for
> them to do so.
> Cruz Contol
> Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone, powered by CREDO Mobile.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:10:36 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fire at Scissors Crossing
> To: AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CALV1NzkCuj6SgK9Gc81C5eeyA2AgGBO1jQkhbRaM09=CcEitsA at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
> http://ramona.patch.com/articles/brush-fire-in-shelter-valley-highway-78-closure
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> > Ten acres both sides of Hwy 78 right at the bridge over San Felipe Creek
> where the trail meets the highway. Highway closed until late tonight. Fire
> stopped. Please be careful out there.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:43:31 -0700
> From: Alexandra Robinson <xelamme at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] storing food on the PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAJhpEgGfW0n3x3e5s+MvrAdo34XG7ukoVhhq-z8bUOkC-kZZRA at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi,
> Im just curious how people typically store their food when its not in a
> bear canister and for that matter where one puts the canister when it is
> full of food. I suppose I have always done bear hangs and when in the
> desert made a little cache of food and cooking equipment on the ground. I
> have never used a bear canister. I just wanted to check on what methods
> people have good luck with. I will be traveling with a canister once I
> reach Kennedy Meadows. Thanks in advance for the input.
>
> Al
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 16:05:14 -0700
> From: Matt <mdrinkut7 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Way out on a limb: anyone hiking with a pad
> computer?
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <C71A040D-FEAF-4DC8-9FE8-740D2C7CC15A at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hahaha I find this funny yes my hiking partner and I are taking an iPad
> for music, picture storage, blogging and my buddy is gonna try to do a
> couple online classes on our thru. Just got my charger yesterday. We are
> excited to have it with us as I'm sure we will have a large following of
> nay sayers. I put it In a otter box plus waterproof bag we also plan to
> carry a little mini speaker I have no experience with them but he said that
> it get loud. Hope to minimize time with headphones in my ear. Hope it works
> out for us.
>
> Lifes a garden dig it
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:22:52 -0600
> From: Jane Overton <neoaflander at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] comment on horsepacking
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAH5oN+vNnY7JruAS1OdGzvu5pd_6-Nvg8=Up9ObdCOKbPcX5Lg at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Nunes, of course, is a republican. the judge is a democrat.
>
> --
> Change the world. Plant a tree.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 11:43:05 -0600
> From: Jane Overton <neoaflander at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] commercial interests in wilderness areas
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAH5oN+uoNXe7ZLcgXi0RgEffO93Ha_f5O_GGDZqFkb5heo_39Q at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I would not want horses to be banned, though I think the riders and packers
> should have to follow the same rules like hikers, (pack it out, dont cut
> across switchbacks etc); but there is a positive side to this as well. If
> the decision stands, and is about commercial use, wont that prevent oil
> exploration, grazing, and mining in wilderness areas in the future? Not
> such a bad idea. I know that such activities are not supposed to be allowed
> now, but there are ways to circumvent those rules like sanitation cuts that
> require access roads. The whole roadless area thing might be more
> enforceable, too. no machines, no roads. There are probably some clear cut
> and logging permits for these areas that predate the wilderness
> designation. I may be full of it with regard to this. so educate me.
> Horsepacking is a beneficial use, but overuse would require a lottery
> system, you cant have unrestricted commercial use that would overset the
> carrying capacity of the area and degrade it. Just sayin'
>
> --
> Change the world. Plant a tree.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:38:22 +0000
> From: "Richard Dulworth" <rdulworth7 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Quick Planning PCT
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>
> <2119973094-1333831101-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1207797724- at b12.c27.bise6.blackberry
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> I'm trying to quickly put together a PCT thru hike. What would be the best
> guide book or data book and maps for the hike? Is the orientation weekend
> worthwhile or could I skip? TIA. Richard.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:54:16 -0600
> From: Casey Burnett <burnett.casey at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] section hike Logistical Help | Trout Lake to I-90
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CA+YYnivHiWE5KLWebYWojWa4im5oqDw9RVCT3BxsdE=OHJ2CRA at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Hello.
>
> I'm hoping to hike ~160-200 miles this summer. I was looking at Trout Lake
> to I-90.
>
> I'll be in Portland, OR when I begin my hike. I'm wondering if anyone
> knows of buses / shuttle / hiker friends who might help on getting one to
> Trout Lake?
>
> I'm thinking about starting July / 31st or August 1st.
>
> thanks,
> Casey Burnett
>
> --
> ?Play is the most natural method of self-healing that childhood affords?
>
> -Erik Erikson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 03:45:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Heike Carrel <hcarrel26 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] How to practice self arrest when you live nowhere
> near mountains?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <1333968319.25632.YahooMailClassic at web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi guys,
> ?
> I'm looking at a 2014 thru hike of the PCT and was wondering how others
> who have completed the hike in the past (who don't live near mountains)
> practiced an ice axe self arrest? I live in Texas...flat, flat Texas.?I'm
> thinking, even if I traveled?somewhere to learn this skill, that would most
> likely be the only time I'd actually have to practice it, unless the real
> thing happened on the trail, so I'm not sure how good I'd be!?
> ?
> Also, how likely would it be that I would need this skill while hiking the
> PCT? I would be looking at starting my hike during the PCT Kickoff time (so
> wouldn't plan to start extra early, etc.)
> ?
> All opinions and thoughts are welcome! :)
> ?
> Heike
> ?
>
>
> "Goals allow you to control the direction of change in your favor."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:18:38 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes
> To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <
> 666836618.1160911.1334060318715.JavaMail.root at sz0094a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
> Shroomer posted a great story a couple of years ago about encountering a
> stubborn, large buzzworm on a run in the hills.? A cyclist came by with a
> water pistol and sprayed the snake, causing it move away rapidly.?
>
>
>
> So, always a carry a fully-loaded water pistol in snake country.? No
> "carry permit" required.
>
> Mango
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "David Thibault" <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:21:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes
>
> Generally throwing stones at a snake doesn't work very well. ?I suspect
> they don't really understand where the threat is coming from so they just
> stay where they are. ?If they move they might actually go toward the threat
> -- so their best option is to stay where they are.
>
>
> The best way I've found to get a snake to move from the trail is to use a
> big brushy stick with lots of leaves (or needles). ?The snake will always
> head the other way. ?Of course there are some spots on the PCT where your
> chances of finding a big brushy stick is much less then your chance of
> finding a stubborn snake.
>
> A hiking pole will also work but you tend to get a bit closer
> (uncomfortably closer for most folks) to the snake than using the branch
> method.
>
> Day-Late (the mover of many a snake)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:46:38 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] storing food on the PCT
> To: Alexandra Robinson <xelamme at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CABc=HNmyoAONWNO12TWCWAAf6-20t0aNSfF1q376U-cFWH+RZw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Good morning, Al,
>
> My food is either locked in the ?can or it?s in my stomach. I don?t leave
> it exposed in camp ? even for a minute. I don?t carry a rope or cord
> sufficient to hang food.
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=265401Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alexandra Robinson <xelamme at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Im just curious how people typically store their food when its not in a
> > bear canister and for that matter where one puts the canister when it is
> > full of food. I suppose I have always done bear hangs and when in the
> > desert made a little cache of food and cooking equipment on the ground. I
> > have never used a bear canister. I just wanted to check on what methods
> > people have good luck with. I will be traveling with a canister once I
> > reach Kennedy Meadows. Thanks in advance for the input.
> >
> > Al
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
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> > All content is copyrighted by the respective authors.
> > Reproduction is prohibited without express permission.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:59:39 -0700
> From: David Money Harris <harris at g.hmc.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT water update April 7-9
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, water at 4jeffrey.net
> Message-ID: <4F842EBB.3030503 at g.hmc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I walked from Mount Laguna to Warner Springs this weekend. Water
> conditions are noted below.
>
> 43.2 Desert View Picnic Area
> Water in restrooms. Spigot off.
>
> 48.9 GATR faucet (Noble Canyon Trailhead)
> Spigot on.
>
> 52.7
> No water in tank. 4 gallon cache and register behind tank. Best to
> save it for emergencies.
>
> 57.2 Oriflamme Canyon
> dry
>
> 62.2 Mason Valley Truck Trail
> tank dry
>
> 63.5 Upper chariot Canyon
> No water at the PCT
>
> 68.4 Rodriguez Spur
> Tank full. Treated the cool water. Delicious! Tanked up, then carried
> 5.5 quarts to make it straight through to Barrel Spring without relying
> on caches. Would have need more if it were warmer.
>
> 77.2 Scissors Crossing
> Big cache nearly full.
> Another 6 gallon cache and register under the Highway 78 bridge over San
> Felipe Creek.
>
> 91.2 Third Gate
> > 100 gallons. Impressive effort to stock this! Last year, the cache
> ran out on May 8 for about two days. Scott Williamson signed the log in
> October and indicated he'd met about ~450 NOBOs while SOBO.
>
> 101.4 Barrel Spring
> Water spurts out of pipe in bursts. ~0.5 quart/minute (estimate). A
> sign indicates that the collection point has been "improved" in 2009
> such that mice fall in and drown. Nasty pictures. I was 33 miles from
> my last water source and boiled the heck out of the water for dinner. A
> rite of passage?
>
> 104.4 Pipe into trough
> Flowing 0.6 quarts/min. Looks like decent spring water.
>
> 104.9 concrete trough by San Ysidro Creek
> Pipe is gushing strong, trough completely full. Is this well-fed? It
> looks like the cattle depend on this, so it's likely to be running
> reliably?
>
> 105.2 San Ysidro Creek
> 2 feet wide, 3 inches deep. Good flow. Cow-contaminated.
>
> 106.4 Eagle Rock Spring
> trough full. Didn't see flow.
>
> 108, 109.6 Canada Verde
> 2 feet wide, 3 inches deep. Good flow. Cow-contaminated
>
> 109.6 Warner Springs
> faucet under tree by entrance to Warner Springs Community Resource Center.
>
> The trail is getting lively. I met three NOBOs on the trail and passed
> five 2-person tents. 2-4 people a day are signing the registers.
>
> I saw a baby rattler on the trail north of 3rd gate. It wouldn't rattle
> at me; maybe it was too young to have rattles.
>
> Very nice folks at the Warner Springs Community Resource Center across
> the highway from the fire station opened a day ahead of schedule to
> offer me breakfast. They have a good stock of food and supplies, hot
> breakfast and lunch, internet, and water at a hose outside. They'll be
> having an event the weekend after AZPCTKO with showers and camping (that
> weekend only). They also say they are experimenting with accepting
> packages. That would be very nice to save going out of the way to the
> WS post office.
>
>
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> Message: 33
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:00:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Quick Planning PCT
> To: rdulworth7 at gmail.com
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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>
> Yogi's book are the best for planning, on-trail? info, resupply, hazards,
> town stops, etc.?
>
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
>
> If you don't have maps yet, get Halfmile's.
>
> www.pctmap.net
>
>
> I recommend you attend the Kickoff.? Lots of good info and gear
> suggestions there.
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
> Mango
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Richard Dulworth" <rdulworth7 at gmail.com>
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 4:38:22 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Quick Planning PCT
>
> I'm trying to quickly put together a PCT thru hike. What would be the best
> guide book or data book and maps for the hike? Is the orientation weekend
> worthwhile or could I skip? TIA. Richard.
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> Message: 34
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:09:40 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking calories
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Good morning, MendoRider-Hiker ,
>
> A pound of pure fat has about 4,000 Calories, but fat in the body also has
> 0-Calorie water which means to drop the scale needle by one pound it?s only
> necessary to short your intake by about 3,500 Calories. All of that is
> highly situational and your results may vary.
>
> Due to the capacity of my bear ?can, and the nature of foods available in
> town, I departed Independence with about 3,200 Calories/day knowing that it
> was insufficient for the probable burn-rate over the next 8 days. The
> result was being short about 1,000 Calories/day over that period. Sure
> enough, I had lost several pounds when I arrived at VVR where there was
> scale.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
>
> > One comment and question, to be clear, how many calories must one consume
> > if he/she is endowed with ample body fat and would like to lose much of
> it
> > ?
> >
>
>
> > MendoRider-Hiker
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:34:12 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes
> To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
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> It was a really long fat snake who simply wouldn't move and people were
> pummeling it with dirt clods and sticks and it just looked at us all and
> lay in the sun. The cyclist rode up to the edge of the crowd that had
> gathered on both sides of the snake, as there was no way around it on
> either side of the trail, and handed me his water bottle. One squirt of
> water and that snake jumped into the air like I'd hit it with acid or
> something, and was gone in a flash. Rocks and sticks had no effect on that
> big old snake, but a few drops of water were amazingly effective, and the
> best thing is there was no harm to the snake at all.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Shroomer posted a great story a couple of years ago about encountering a
> > stubborn, large buzzworm on a run in the hills. A cyclist came by with a
> > water pistol and sprayed the snake, causing it move away rapidly.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, always a carry a fully-loaded water pistol in snake country. No
> > "carry permit" required.
> >
> > Mango
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: "David Thibault" <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:21:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] snakes
> >
> > Generally throwing stones at a snake doesn't work very well. I suspect
> > they don't really understand where the threat is coming from so they just
> > stay where they are. If they move they might actually go toward the
> threat
> > -- so their best option is to stay where they are.
> >
> >
> > The best way I've found to get a snake to move from the trail is to use a
> > big brushy stick with lots of leaves (or needles). The snake will always
> > head the other way. Of course there are some spots on the PCT where your
> > chances of finding a big brushy stick is much less then your chance of
> > finding a stubborn snake.
> >
> > A hiking pole will also work but you tend to get a bit closer
> > (uncomfortably closer for most folks) to the snake than using the branch
> > method.
> >
> > Day-Late (the mover of many a snake)
> >
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