[pct-l] Dollar Lake detour and Eagle Creek Alternate Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 45, Issue 5

[Lynn Zachreson]

It looks like it is still possible to take the Eagle Creel alternate into
Cascade Locks. Does anyone know for sure? Thanks!

Free Range Amelia

On Monday, September 5, 2011,  <pct-l-request at backcountry.net>  wrote:
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>   1. Good News & Bad News (Reinhold Metzger)
>   2. Re: PCT Closure in Oregon (Cosmic Cat)
>   3. where Bill Roberts lives (JoAnn)
>   4. inflatable pads on the pct (Justin West)
>   5. hiking barefoot (Justin West)
>   6. warm jacket (JoAnn)
>   7. Re: hiking barefoot (Nathaniel Morse)
>   8. Re: Hiking Barefoot? (Eric Lee)
>   9. Re: Hiking Barefoot? (Nathaniel Morse)
>  10. Re: Hiking Barefoot? (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>  11. Re: Hiking Barefoot? (Nathaniel Morse)
>  12. Shuttle to Sierra City (Jeff Dishman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:18:57 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Good News & Bad News
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
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> Hi gang,
> The good news is  ''TROUBLE''  is back in town!!!
> That, of course, is good news for the girls but bad news for the guys.
>
> The bad news is I'm back in town for a very limited time only!!!
> That, of course, is bad news for the girls but good news for the guys.
>
> I am about to depart on a European ''barge & bike'' trip down the blue
> Danube river.
>
> I trust  Switchback  will keep the list and the girls entertained during
> my absence
>
> JMT Reinhold
> Your dad news trail companion
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 12:21:33 -0600
> From: Cosmic Cat <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Closure in Oregon
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> We are at Timberline and working with USFS for a detour. Looks like we
stick
> to the East of hood, take the timberline trail to gnarl ridge, elk meadows
> to hwy 35. They promise info at that trailhead by his evening for the
> roadwalks to come. Looks like the Dee Hwy through Parkdale. Then somehow
get
> to Whatum lake or maybe a shortcut to Cascade Locks. Fun stuff. Should add
> at least a half day to the section. The upside is a roadwalk through the
> Fruit Loop! Continuous steps!
>
> Goodness
> On Sep 4, 2011 8:47 AM, "CHUCK CHELIN" <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 13:08:44 -0700
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] where Bill Roberts lives
> To: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:39:46 -0700
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> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scott Williamson was part of a rescue on the PCT
> To: <Tortoise73 at charter.net>, "Acu4harmony" <acu4harmony at aol.com>
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> Is Bill From Yreka?
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Bill is from what we call ?down river? meaning he lives somewhere along
the Klamath River. Maybe close to the Seiad Valley area.
>
> are we there yet
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 14:35:33 -0700
> From: Justin West <cjustinwest at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] inflatable pads on the pct
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>  Charles,
> I just wrapped up 1455 miles on the PCT with a 8 year old thermarest
prolite
> short pad.  it had no holes previously and still doesn't.  I didn't cowboy
> much (maybe once a week) and that was bare ground (no tyvek or anything
> underneath).  For me the most important thing is to prepare your site
well,
> *know your plants*!  If you are camping under jeffrey pine or canyon live
> oak for example you better take the time to get those spiny scale and/or
> leaves out from under where your pad is going.  Also.  they have vastly
> improved the bottom surface fabric of those prolite pads.  Make sure that
> abrasion resistant side is ALWAYS down.  Lastly, I don't know if it helps
or
> not, but I always inflate my mat 'blue in the face' full.
> I would occasionally use it at night to sit on while cooking (inflated
half
> full), lean against granite etc.  No problems, but again, take the time to
> make sure you aren't just dropping it down on a decomposing opuntia or
> something.
> when i was 19 I did the AT on a 3/8 inch foam mat.  Now just 12 years
later
> I don't think I would have enjoyed that the same way I did then.  The
light
> thermarests for me do just fine now.
> best
> justin west
> www.storythewalk.wordpress.com
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 14:44:32 -0700
> From: Justin West <cjustinwest at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] hiking barefoot
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>  Unless you were born into and grew up in a society where you didn't wear
> shoes I wouldn't recommend it.  Even asking the question 'how tough do
your
> feet have to be' leads me to believe that your feet are probably not tough
> enough.  You will have to go slower, you will stub your toes on granite
now
> and again, and you will likely have to contend with snow walking (although
> if you are willing to flip flop a lot of that can be avoided).  I cannot
> imagine it being an enjoyable experience for anyone save those who have
> never known 'shoe culture'.
> I met a guy hiking in those toe vibram shoe things.  He was ditching them
at
> lake morena, mile 20, and his feet were hurting!
> have fun
> justin
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 14:45:30 -0700
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] warm jacket
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> HELP!! I am going to take advantage of the sales on warm jackets and
finally purchase a good jacket for hiking/backpacking. REI has a sale
through tomorrow on Patagonia?s Eco Puff Jacket. How much does that differ
from down? Is it the usual pro/con having to do with getting it wet? Any
other major differences between down and other materials?
>
> All responses will be appreciated.
>
> are we there yet
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 14:53:12 -0700
> From: Nathaniel Morse <alwaysanguine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking barefoot
> To: Justin West <cjustinwest at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> There are a lot of people who haven't taken the time to condition their
feet
> in Vibrams, and thus had "Bad" experiences with them. I hiked a volcanic
> mountain in mine after conditioning my feet for a few months, and they did
> just fine.
> what do you mean by "Flip flop"?
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Justin West <cjustinwest at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Unless you were born into and grew up in a society where you didn't wear
>> shoes I wouldn't recommend it.  Even asking the question 'how tough do
your
>> feet have to be' leads me to believe that your feet are probably not
tough
>> enough.  You will have to go slower, you will stub your toes on granite
now
>> and again, and you will likely have to contend with snow walking
(although
>> if you are willing to flip flop a lot of that can be avoided).  I cannot
>> imagine it being an enjoyable experience for anyone save those who have
>> never known 'shoe culture'.
>> I met a guy hiking in those toe vibram shoe things.  He was ditching them
>> at
>> lake morena, mile 20, and his feet were hurting!
>> have fun
>> justin
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 16:52:01 -0700
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking Barefoot?
> To: "'Nathaniel Morse'" <alwaysanguine at gmail.com>,
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> Nathaniel wrote:
>>
> Does anyone know anyone who has hiked a majority of, or thru-hiked the PCT
> barefoot?
>>
>
> I'd be really, really surprised if anyone managed to do this.
>
> I could see someone hiking certain parts of the trail barefoot, or maybe
> doing the whole trail in sections over several years, but a barefoot
> thru-hike seems daunting.  In some areas you'd have to worry about cactus
> needles and a trail bed maybe hot enough to burn you on some days.  In
other
> areas you'd have a lot snow where you'd probably struggle to avoid
> frostbite, plus late spring snow can be abrasive.  There are also areas
that
> have a lot of volcanic rock which is extremely abrasive.
>
> Remember, the question isn't just whether it's possible to physically hike
> the PCT while barefoot (I expect it is, with varying levels of care
> depending on the terrain) but whether it's possible to hike barefoot at
the
> kind of breakneck speeds that are required of thru-hikers.  Most people
> struggle to keep their body holding together while doing a "normal"
> thru-hike, and doing it barefoot just lays a whole new layer of challenge
on
> top of that.
>
> If you're serious about trying it, you might take a bit of time in the
next
> couple of years to hike representative sections of the PCT to see what
it's
> like, then you'll know what you're up against.  Or you could just go for
it
> and see what happens.  Fortunately hiking barefoot is something that you
can
> easily abandon at most town stops (by buying shoes) if it's not working
out
> for you, assuming you haven't yet suffered any hike-ending injuries.
>
> Eric
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 21:14:46 -0700
> From: Nathaniel Morse <alwaysanguine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking Barefoot?
> To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey, Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it. I will most definitely
> be hiking a few sections barefoot before doing the whole thing.
>
>       What would be the worst sections as far as cactus, and rock?
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nathaniel wrote:
>> >
>> Does anyone know anyone who has hiked a majority of, or thru-hiked the
PCT
>> barefoot?
>> >
>>
>> I'd be really, really surprised if anyone managed to do this.
>>
>> I could see someone hiking certain parts of the trail barefoot, or maybe
>> doing the whole trail in sections over several years, but a barefoot
>> thru-hike seems daunting.  In some areas you'd have to worry about cactus
>> needles and a trail bed maybe hot enough to burn you on some days.  In
>> other
>> areas you'd have a lot snow where you'd probably struggle to avoid
>> frostbite, plus late spring snow can be abrasive.  There are also areas
>> that
>> have a lot of volcanic rock which is extremely abrasive.
>>
>> Remember, the question isn't just whether it's possible to physically
hike
>> the PCT while barefoot (I expect it is, with varying levels of care
>> depending on the terrain) but whether it's possible to hike barefoot at
the
>> kind of breakneck speeds that are required of thru-hikers.  Most people
>> struggle to keep their body holding together while doing a "normal"
>> thru-hike, and doing it barefoot just lays a whole new layer of challenge
>> on
>> top of that.
>>
>> If you're serious about trying it, you might take a bit of time in the
next
>> couple of years to hike representative sections of the PCT to see what
it's
>> like, then you'll know what you're up against.  Or you could just go for
it
>> and see what happens.  Fortunately hiking barefoot is something that you
>> can
>> easily abandon