[pct-l] Oregon trail/PCT
Carol Whitehouse
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Wed Oct 26 14:02:37 CDT 2011
Does anyone know where the Oregon trail crosses the PCT?
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1. Re: Damage Control (Tortoise)
2. Re: Trail Maintenance Crew (Scott Williams)
3. Admin Note: Damage Control (Brick Robbins)
4. Re: Damage Control (bighummel at aol.com)
5. Boots (Douglas Tow)
6. Why Hiker Babes are Happier Than Hiker Guys (tom aterno)
7. Re: Boots (Katie Muilenburg)
8. Boots (Dan C. aka Thumper)
9. Re: TEN REASON WHY "HIKER DUDES" ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS THAN
"HIKER BABES (Bob Bankhead)
10. Re: Boots (chiefcowboy at verizon.net)
11. I foretell turbulence, however, if the pct-l moves toward
(JONATHAN Salzwedel)
12. Re: Top 20 hiker resupply locations...
(Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
13. Defining a 'Thru-Hike' (Dan C. aka Thumper)
14. Re: Defining a 'Thru-Hike' (Brick Robbins)
15. Re: Defining a 'Thru-Hike' (giniajim)
16. Re: Defining a 'Thru-Hike' (giniajim)
17. Boots (Frank Dumville)
18. Re: Trail Maintenance Crew (aslive at charter.net)
19. Why are "Hiker Dudes" happier campers than "Hiker Babes"?
(Reinhold Metzger)
20. Why Hiker " "BABES" are Happier Than Hiker "Guys"
(Reinhold Metzger)
21. TEN REASON WHY "HIKER DUDES" ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS THAN "HIKER
BABES (Reinhold Metzger)
22. Re: Video - 1959 PCT through ride (Todd KE7KXI)
23. Fwd: Yakima Pass WA (PCT Mile 2392) area Power tool Brushing
Oct 25 and 27 (North 350 Blades)
24. Hiking Oregon and Washington this upcoming summer (Liz Dinwiddie)
25. Re: Defining a 'Thru-Hike' (Charles Williams)
26. Re: Hiking Oregon and Washington this upcoming summer
(Charles Williams)
27. Re: Defining a 'Thru-Hike' (giniajim)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:08:51 -0700
From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Damage Control
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One comment and then all interested please do so off-list by replying only
to the individuals and not the list.
the idea that the rich create the jobs is make belief.
Jobs comes from people buying goods and services.
If the rich create jobs, why are jobs decreasing as the rich get richer?
Tortoise
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On 2011.10.24 01:28, Reinhold Metzger wrote:
Mike Wrote:
-- ?The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor."
(Voltaire)
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Yes Mike,
This may be true....but don't forget that, at the same time, the comfort of the poor
depends on their ability to find employment and the ability of the rich to create the
opportunity to make such employment available to the poor.
Damage one and you damage the other.
Some folks say "it is best not to strangle the goose that lays the "golden egg".
JMT Reinhold
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:38:18 -0700
From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Maintenance Crew
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PCT 1 Trail Crew is right now working just south of Walker Pass, but they
will be moving south of that over the next 6 weeks. They still have 4
hitches to go before they call it quits in early December. I'm sure they'd
love the help. Contact the PCTA
http://www.pcta.org/about_pcta/staff.asp and give a call to Lora
Tomei, the Trails Maintenance Programs Assistant
to see about hooking up with them, or maybe the Volunteer Coordinator,
Merrit Hoeh. Welcome to the List.
Shroomer
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:48:11 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Admin Note: Damage Control
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Yes. Let's please not continue this thread.
And no #OccupyWallStreet or Tea Party threads either
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:49:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: bighummel at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Damage Control
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Hmm, I'm in the top 1% of consumable of everything in life and control about 30% of everything around me, albeit I have a very hard time of controlling anything these days! Control is an delusional thing, I can't control myself, my wife, my kids, my home, my work, in fact I think I'm really losing control . . . most of the time my legs are actually the only thing that controls me.
From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Damage Control
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
All in context.
According to Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz: ?The top 1
percent of Americans now take in roughly one-fourth of America?s total
income every year. In terms of wealth rather than income, . . . the top 1
percent now controls 40 percent of the total American wealth. This is new.
Twenty-five years ago, the corresponding figures were the top 1% took in 12
percent of the income and controlled 33 percent of the wealth.?
No economist -- not one -- among the top thousand or so economists in the
US, Europe, or Australia considers this healthy for an economy, a people, or
a future.
~Charles and the gang.
PS. Caveat: I foretell turbulence, however, if the pct-l moves toward
political commentary.
Greg Hummel
?My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.?
? Dalai Lama XIV
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:06:10 -0700
From: Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Boots
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Good morning!
I would like to hear from thru or section hikers who opted for boots vs.
shoes for any portion of their hike, and would do so again, and why.
Thank you,
Doug
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:42:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Why Hiker Babes are Happier Than Hiker Guys
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In response to Reinhold's email, Sharrel held me on the ground and then forced me to post this...
I want my mommy.
Things for guys to remember:
1. ?She-Wee now available for those girls who what to pee standing up.
2. ?Very young women, Anna "Charmin" is an example, are able to do everything they did.
3. ?Gals have choice of lots of hot guys on the trail, that actually respect women, if they so desire.
4. ?Gals have less trouble hitching a ride.
5. ?Gals don't have to waste time hooting their own horn to feel OK about themselves.
6. ?We look and smell better on the trail, even with hairy legs.
7. ?Our meals are far superior.
8. ?Don't have to get pregnant if we don't want to and tampon on trail can be a thing of the past (what generation are they from?).
9. ? Weaker sex actually have more endurance.
10. ?Can outrun and thus avoid Reinhold and Switchback.
11. ?Unwashed ba**s stink.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:46:41 -0500
From: Katie Muilenburg <katiedm at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Boots
To: Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi Doug,
I wore running shoes for the entire PCT. I would do it exactly the same
again. Even through the snowy, snowy Sierras, I felt the running shoes were
enough for me. I've never worn high top footwear while backpacking.
Actually, I usually prefer to wear my Keen sandals. Yes, walking through
frigid rivers was painfully cold, but it wouldn't have been easier with
boots. Walking over snow for hours a day wasn't cold, since my feet were
constantly moving, with circulation keeping them warm.
Conversely, my hiking partner (trail name Boots), swears by his hiking
boots. For him, his feet felt more protected and didn't get as beat up as
when he tried to wear shoes. He says the thicker soles also protected his
feet from all the little things we step on during the day, and offered more
support so his feet weren't as tired-sore at the end of the day.
As with everything else on the PCT, it's a matter of personal preference.
-Bubbles
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning!
I would like to hear from thru or section hikers who opted for boots vs.
shoes for any portion of their hike, and would do so again, and why.
Thank you,
Doug
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:51:25 -0700
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Boots
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I like Teva's Riva Mid eVent boot. It is lite, soft leather and, with the Vibram sole, it wears well. My size 9.5s weigh in at 23ozs for the pair and is only 2 oz more than the similar Riva eVent shoe (not a mid). MSRP is around $150 but I've found them closer to $110 via the web. Below are some links.
Thumper
http://www.teva.com/search.aspx?searchfor=riva
http://www.backpacker.com/gear/details/boots/1673
http://www.backpacker.com/gear/details/boots/1671
---- Doug wrote:
Good morning!
I would like to hear from thru or section hikers who opted for boots vs.
shoes for any portion of their hike, and would do so again, and why.
Thank you,
Doug
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:24:46 -0700
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] TEN REASON WHY "HIKER DUDES" ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS
THAN "HIKER BABES
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Dear Fellow Hikers, and JMT Reinhold:
The eminent trail philosopher, JMT Reinhold, has quantified TEN REASON WHY
"HIKER DUDES" ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS THAN "HIKER BABES" I have annotated items
7 and 10 - see ( ).
1. We never get pregnant
2. It does not matter if our legs are hairy
3. We never have strap problems
4. We can light a stove without starting a forest fire
5. Our underwear is warmer
6. We can do our nails with a pocket knife
7. We can pee without getting out of (our sleeping bag or) the tent on a
rainy night
8. We don't need to carry birth control pills or tampons
9. We don't need to put our hair up in curlers
10. We can hike topless (Note - this reason becomes moot on National Hike
Naked Day)
It has been my experience that item 7 is perhaps the only real advantage
that nature gave the male over the female. Everything else in the universe
seems to favor the female. And yes, they CAN write their name in the snow;
it's just a lot messier for them and not as easy to read.
Greater upper body strength in the male doesn't hold water either (no pun
intended). Have you seen some of those female body builders or faced an
angry/frightened female with a ball bat, 2x4, iron pipe, or some other
weapon in her hands?
Some would argue that item 1 is also a realistic male advantage, until one
considers that the male of the species - any species - is basically a waste
of resources. Their only real function is reproduction. The rest of the
time, they just consume resources and try to control everything.
Nature has been experimenting with asexual reproduction for Eons: binary
fission in Protozoa and parthenogenesis in plants and some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invertebrate> invertebrate animal species,
such as <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_flea> water fleas,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphid> aphids,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nematodes> nematodes, some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee> bees, some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasmida> Phasmida, some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion> scorpion species,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_wasp> parasitic wasps and in some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebrate> vertebrates (e.g., some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile> reptiles,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish> fish, and very rarely
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird> birds and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark> sharks). This type of reproduction has
been induced artificially in fish and amphibians
One or more self-replicating females could just as easily raise the next
generation as could a heterosexual pair..and they get to keep those extra
resources for themselves and their brood. Toss in a lifetime supply of
batteries and most human females could learn to live without males fairly
quickly. Lesser species will take a generation or two to get over their
"habit/dependency".
Respectfully submitted,
Wandering Bob, a hiker dude
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:25:56 -0700
From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Boots
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Cc: douglastow at gmail.com
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On my 2009 thru hike I started wearing Solomon Trail Runners and wore them
until Cascade Locks. I went to Portland REI and bought a pair of Garmont
boots that were gore-tex lined. My feet smiled the rest of the way to
Manning. They gave more protection and stability to my feet. I had no
problems wearing trail runners in the snow and let's face it you're going to
be wet anyway. Garmonts were a smidgeon over $200 but at that point worth
it. Like Doug said it's all preference but don't be afraid to be flexible
and try something else if you feel it will help you get to your goal.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan C. aka Thumper
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:51 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Cc: douglastow at gmail.com
Subject: [pct-l] Boots
I like Teva's Riva Mid eVent boot. It is lite, soft leather and, with the
Vibram sole, it wears well. My size 9.5s weigh in at 23ozs for the pair and
is only 2 oz more than the similar Riva eVent shoe (not a mid). MSRP is
around $150 but I've found them closer to $110 via the web. Below are some
links.
Thumper
http://www.teva.com/search.aspx?searchfor=riva
http://www.backpacker.com/gear/details/boots/1673
http://www.backpacker.com/gear/details/boots/1671
---- Doug wrote:
Good morning!
I would like to hear from thru or section hikers who opted for boots vs.
shoes for any portion of their hike, and would do so again, and why.
Thank you,
Doug
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONATHAN Salzwedel <bethjon at wowway.com>
Subject: [pct-l] I foretell turbulence, however, if the pct-l moves
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Let's not get into political controversy and stick with the purpose of the pctl !? There are plenty of other forums to voice political convictions.
Jon Salzwedel
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:25:39 -0700
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Top 20 hiker resupply locations...
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Gosh, I think I would have rated Drakesbad in there and put it right
before or after Stehekin. Oh, right. This isn't a list of the top 20
tastiest hiker resupply locations...
On Oct 24, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
http://postholer.com/journal/samplePlans.php
% Location
68 Castella
71 Ashland
77 Etna
80 Burney Falls SP/Burney
80 Seiad Valley
80 Wrightwood
86 Sierra City
86 Belden
86 Warner Springs
88 Skykomish
91 Big Bear Lake/City
91 Cascade Locks
91 Tuolumne Meadows
93 Echo Lake Resort/Lake Tahoe
95 Mazama Village/Crater Lake P.O.
97 White Pass
100 Agua Dulce
100 Kennedy Meadows (South)
100 Snoqualmie Pass
100 Stehekin
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:51:44 -0700
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Dear List,
When defining a 'thru-hike' I heard terms like continuous and within a hiking season. This brings up some questions, at least in my mind;
1. Does a continuous hike mean without significant stops, say greater than a week, or two? What if the hiker took a month off but ultimately completed the whole trail, does this qualify?
2. Is a season within a calendar year or within any 365-day period. In other words could a hiker start, say 1 Nov, and as long as he/she were completed by 31 Oct the next year , would it be considered within a hiking season?
3. And what about those who take several years to complete the trail by section hiking the parts until completed. I've seen the term 'thru-hike' associated with that accomplishment.
So I'm a little confused and seeking some guidance as to what really is considered a 'thru-hike'. Thanks
Thumper
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:06:01 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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It is whatever you want it to be, as long as you walk past every white blaze....
oh wait, wrong trail.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Dan C. aka Thumper <dofdear at cox.net> wrote:
Dear List,
When defining a 'thru-hike' I heard terms like continuous and within a hiking season. ?This brings up some questions, at least in my mind;
1. ?Does a continuous hike mean without significant stops, say greater than a week, or two? ?What if the hiker took a month off but ultimately completed the whole trail, does this qualify?
2. ?Is a season within a calendar year or within any 365-day period. ?In other words could a hiker start, say 1 Nov, and as long as he/she were completed by 31 Oct the next year , would it be considered within a hiking season?
3. And what about those who take several years to complete the trail by section hiking the parts until completed. ?I've seen the term 'thru-hike' associated with that accomplishment.
So I'm a little confused and seeking some guidance as to what really is considered a 'thru-hike'. ?Thanks
Thumper
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:07:39 -0400
From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I'll toss my two cents in.
1. The term "continuous hike" is not generally used to describe a
thru-hike. Taking time off is fine as long as the hike is completed within
a year.
2. A chronological year as opposed to a calendar year.
3. No. That would be a fine accomplishment but not a thru-hike. On the
AT, the term for anyone finishing the complete trail over any period of time
is generally "2000 Miler" (because the AT is about 2000 miles long, but you
have to finish all of it!! Not just 2000 miles!). Not sure if there is a
corresponding PCT term.
As always, my every-so-humble opinion! :)
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From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
Dear List,
When defining a 'thru-hike' I heard terms like continuous and within a
hiking season. This brings up some questions, at least in my mind;
1. Does a continuous hike mean without significant stops, say greater
than a week, or two? What if the hiker took a month off but ultimately
completed the whole trail, does this qualify?
2. Is a season within a calendar year or within any 365-day period. In
other words could a hiker start, say 1 Nov, and as long as he/she were
completed by 31 Oct the next year , would it be considered within a hiking
season?
3. And what about those who take several years to complete the trail by
section hiking the parts until completed. I've seen the term 'thru-hike'
associated with that accomplishment.
So I'm a little confused and seeking some guidance as to what really is
considered a 'thru-hike'. Thanks
Thumper
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:13:36 -0400
From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>, "Dan C. aka Thumper"
<dofdear at cox.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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to follow up, the AT community debates this often. The ATC has some
criteria for the designation of a hiker as a 2000-miler, but not
specifically for a thru-hiker. Don't know that there is a corresponding
organization like the ATC for the PCT, nor whether the terms and criteria
have been debated as much as they have in the AT community.
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From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
I'll toss my two cents in.
1. The term "continuous hike" is not generally used to describe a
thru-hike. Taking time off is fine as long as the hike is completed
within
a year.
2. A chronological year as opposed to a calendar year.
3. No. That would be a fine accomplishment but not a thru-hike. On the
AT, the term for anyone finishing the complete trail over any period of
time
is generally "2000 Miler" (because the AT is about 2000 miles long, but
you
have to finish all of it!! Not just 2000 miles!). Not sure if there is a
corresponding PCT term.
As always, my every-so-humble opinion! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
Dear List,
When defining a 'thru-hike' I heard terms like continuous and within a
hiking season. This brings up some questions, at least in my mind;
1. Does a continuous hike mean without significant stops, say greater
than a week, or two? What if the hiker took a month off but ultimately
completed the whole trail, does this qualify?
2. Is a season within a calendar year or within any 365-day period. In
other words could a hiker start, say 1 Nov, and as long as he/she were
completed by 31 Oct the next year , would it be considered within a
hiking
season?
3. And what about those who take several years to complete the trail by
section hiking the parts until completed. I've seen the term 'thru-hike'
associated with that accomplishment.
So I'm a little confused and seeking some guidance as to what really is
considered a 'thru-hike'. Thanks
Thumper
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:41:15 -0700
From: "Frank Dumville" <fdumville at earthlink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Boots
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I used both the low and high variety of the Vasque Breeze. These are lightweight boots with a lot of mesh. I prefer the extra protection of a stiffer bottom. I'm not so concerned with ankle support. They work for me and I still use both types.
Snap
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:27:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: aslive at charter.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Maintenance Crew
To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Joel Hawk <Joel at JoelHawk.com>
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The PCTA WEB Site has a link for trail maintenance.
Shepherd
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Edward Anderson wrote:
Joel,
?
For those first 20 miles (because you are so close to the border)?be
sure you are fit to go all the way - consider that the days are
shorter. Get an early start.?Don't camp along the way.? Try to have a
hiking companion(s)?rather than going alone. Contact poster
"chiefcowboy".?Ask him about his experience this year.
?
MendoRider
________________________________
From: Joel Hawk <Joel at JoelHawk.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Maintenance Crew
Hi Folks,
Although I've just started with this group, I'm one that likes to
help.? How
would I connect with a trail maintenance group here in San Diego or
along
the Big Bear trails?? I realize the season is basically over, but if I
can,
I'd like to help whenever possible.? Planning to walk a short 20 miler
from
the So. Terminus to Lake Morena sometime this week (most likely
Wednesday).
Anyone in the area interested or does anyone know of any reason I
shouldn't
in case I go it alone?
Joel
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:47:05 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Why are "Hiker Dudes" happier campers than "Hiker
Babes"?
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/Puddlejumper,
1. Yes, wigs do a great job.
2. It does matters if your legs are hairy.
9. Only if your legs are not hairy.
10. We can also hike in skirts (Kilts)....but ours need to be longer.
JMT Reinhold
The happy camper
------------------------------------
Puddlejumper wrote:
TEN REASON WHY "HIKER BABES" ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS THAN "HIKER DUDES"
//
1. We can't get male pattern baldness
//
2. It does not matter if our legs are hairy
//3. Backpack straps enhance our, um, natural assets.
//4. We can light a stove without starting a forest fire. -- I don't
know which girls the honorable reinhold was camping with but
IMHO guys are far worse pyros. Myself excluded
. /
/ 5. Our sleeping bags are rated warmer and have reinforced footspaces
. /
/ 6. We can pull off hiking with a pedicure. />/7. We have Go Girls ;).
Look it up. And they are pink too.
// 8. We don't need to carry eighteen pocket knives just to show we are
Bear Grylls
. /
/ 9. We have far fewer troubles hitching to town for a shower. //
10. We can hike in a skirt. Nuthin better than a little breeze
. /
/ NO WONDER HIKER BABES ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS /
//Puddlejumper /The happy camper /
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:12:22 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Why Hiker " "BABES" are Happier Than Hiker "Guys"
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>
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Say Tom,
I agree with you with the following exceptions:
3. Switchback& Reinhold are No.1 on that list.
4. Only if their legs are not hairy.
10. I don't know about Switchback, but I have been outrunning "on the trail to long
hiker babes" for years.
That is how I got to be a speed hiker...to prevent "on the trail to long hiker babes"
from catching me and having their way with me.
JMT Reinhold
The one who has managed to outrun "on the trail to long hiker babes"
--------------------------------
Tom wrote:
In response to Reinhold's email, Sharrel held me on the ground and then forced me to post this...
I want my mommy.
Things for guys to remember:
1. She-Wee now available for those girls who what to pee standing up.
2. Very young women, Anna "Charmin" is an example, are able to do everything they did.
3. Gals have choice of lots of hot guys on the trail, that actually respect women, if they so desire.
4. Gals have less trouble hitching a ride.
5. Gals don't have to waste time hooting their own horn to feel OK about themselves.
6. We look and smell better on the trail, even with hairy legs.
7. Our meals are far superior.
8. Don't have to get pregnant if we don't want to and tampon on trail can be a thing of the past (what generation are they from?).
9. Weaker sex actually have more endurance.
10. Can outrun and thus avoid Reinhold and Switchback.
11. Unwashed ba**s stink.
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:50:23 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] TEN REASON WHY "HIKER DUDES" ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS THAN
"HIKER BABES
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Bob, you have made a valid argument backed by scientific data.
I can see were women would have a hard time writing their name in the
snow, nice and clean like men.
As far as the male's only real function "REPRODUCTION" is concerned, I
have been trying to convince the girls for years...."Honey, I am only
trying to perform my intended function".
But,....as far as the battery thing goes,.... you mean I can be replaced
by a few batteries???
Tell me it ain't so...what about those whispers in my ear..."Reinhold I
need you, I can't live without you"...were those just empty words?
I am shattered, I am devastated to realize that I can be replaced, just
like that, by a handful of batteries.
What can batteries do that I can't do???
JMT Reinhold
Your devastated trail companion
------------------------------------------------------
Wandering Bob wrote"
Dear Fellow Hikers, and JMT Reinhold:
The eminent trail philosopher, JMT Reinhold, has quantified TEN REASON
WHY "HIKER DUDES" ARE HAPPIER CAMPERS THAN "HIKER BABES"
I have annotated items 7 and 10 - see ( ).
1. We never get pregnant
2. It does not matter if our legs are hairy
3. We never have strap problems
4. We can light a stove without starting a forest fire
5. Our underwear is warmer
6. We can do our nails with a pocket knife
7. We can pee without getting out of (our sleeping bag or) the tent on a
rainy night
8. We don't need to carry birth control pills or tampons
9. We don't need to put our hair up in curlers
10. We can hike topless (Note - this reason becomes moot on National
Hike Naked Day)
It has been my experience that item 7 is perhaps the only real advantage
that nature gave the male over the female.
Everything else in the universe seems to favor the female.
And yes, they CAN write their name in the snow; it's just a lot messier
for them and not as easy to read.
Greater upper body strength in the male doesn't hold water either (no
pun intended).
Have you seen some of those female body builders or faced an
angry/frightened female with a ball bat, 2x4, iron pipe, or some other
weapon in her hands?
Some would argue that item 1 is also a realistic male advantage, until
one considers that the male of the species - any species - is basically
a waste of resources.
Their only real function is reproduction.
The rest of the time, they just consume resources and try to control
everything.
Nature has been experimenting with asexual reproduction for Eons: binary
fission in Protozoa and parthenogenesis in plants and some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invertebrate> invertebrate animal species,
such as <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_flea> water fleas,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphid> aphids,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nematodes> nematodes, some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee> bees, some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasmida> Phasmida, some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion> scorpion species,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_wasp> parasitic wasps and in
some <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebrate> vertebrates (e.g., some
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile> reptiles,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish> fish, and very rarely
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird> birds and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark> sharks). This type of reproduction
has been induced artificially in fish and amphibians
One or more self-replicating females could just as easily raise the next
generation as could a heterosexual pair..and they get to keep those
extra resources for themselves and their brood.
Toss in a lifetime supply of batteries and most human females could
learn to live without males fairly quickly. Lesser species will take a
generation or two to get over their "habit/dependency".
Respectfully submitted,
Wandering Bob, a hiker dude
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:17:41 -0700
From: Todd KE7KXI <ke7kxi at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Video - 1959 PCT through ride
To: PNW Hiker <pnw.hiker at gmail.com>
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Thank you! What a great story.
Todd.
On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:29 PM, PNW Hiker wrote:
http://watch.opb.org/video/1653310170/
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:28:57 -0700
From: North 350 Blades <north350blades at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Yakima Pass WA (PCT Mile 2392) area Power tool
Brushing Oct 25 and 27
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Subject: Fwd: Yakima Pass WA (PCT Mile 2392) area Power tool Brushing Oct 25
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Date: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:05 AM
Subject: Power tool Brushing Oct 25 and 27
To:
We have a group of four for Tueday and Thursday.
A couple more would be really great.
The work will be off Exit 62 on I-90 just east of Snoqualmie Pass
Tuesday looks like a stellar weather day with Thursday looking pretty good.
Sign up here for what could be our last trips of the year.
Bigfoot Jim Miller
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:20:31 -0400
From: Liz Dinwiddie <brucethephish at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Hiking Oregon and Washington this upcoming summer
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hey all,
My name is Liz and I am currently planning a trip through Oregon and
Washington on the PCT for July-August or August-September and I would love
any and all advice, tips, and insight you may have about your similar
experiences.
My email is either brucethephish at gmail.com or dinwiddieeb at appstate.edu and
truly any insight is helpful!
Thanks!
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:35:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>, "Dan C. aka Thumper"
<dofdear at cox.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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I've lived in Mammoth Lakes for several years and now live in Quincy, another common resupply point.? I've met many long distance hikers and was a thru in '93.? I ask all the scroungy looking people if they are thrus and nearly all that I've met in towns and met on the trail identify with the term "Thru-hiker".? Often they voluntarily add (especially this year) a list of pieces they've had to miss, or their new destination since they're too late to make it to the border, or some other modification of their specific itinerary.?
?
But they all identify with the term "Thru-hiker".? As do I for my trip, even though I went home for a few days from Ashland and went to my brother's house in Seattle for a week from Snoqualmie Pass.?
?
There is another term for people that specifically walk every mile of the trail in a single season.? That is the "Purist".? To be clear I was not a purist, but the term "Thru-hiker" is a more inclusive term and a wide range of travelers seem to use it to describe their perticular version of a long distance PCT trek.
?
Charles
P.S. Soon I'll be a "Thru-rider" as soon as I breed a big enough chicken.
--- On Mon, 10/24/11, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
From: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>, "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 8:13 PM
to follow up, the AT community debates this often.? The ATC has some
criteria for the designation of a hiker as a 2000-miler, but not
specifically for a thru-hiker.? Don't know that there is a corresponding
organization like the ATC for the PCT, nor whether the terms and criteria
have been debated as much as they have in the AT community.
----- Original Message -----
From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
I'll toss my two cents in.
1.? The term "continuous hike" is not generally used to describe a
thru-hike.? Taking time off is fine as long as the hike is completed
within
a year.
2.? A chronological year as opposed to a calendar year.
3.? No.? That would be a fine accomplishment but not a thru-hike.? On the
AT, the term for anyone finishing the complete trail over any period of
time
is generally "2000 Miler" (because the AT is about 2000 miles long, but
you
have to finish all of it!!? Not just 2000 miles!).? Not sure if there is a
corresponding PCT term.
As always, my every-so-humble opinion! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
Dear List,
When defining a 'thru-hike' I heard terms like continuous and within a
hiking season.? This brings up some questions, at least in my mind;
1.? Does a continuous hike mean without significant stops, say greater
than a week, or two?? What if the hiker took a month off but ultimately
completed the whole trail, does this qualify?
2.? Is a season within a calendar year or within any 365-day period.? In
other words could a hiker start, say 1 Nov, and as long as he/she were
completed by 31 Oct the next year , would it be considered within a
hiking
season?
3. And what about those who take several years to complete the trail by
section hiking the parts until completed.? I've seen the term 'thru-hike'
associated with that accomplishment.
So I'm a little confused and seeking some guidance as to what really is
considered a 'thru-hike'.? Thanks
Thumper
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking Oregon and Washington this upcoming summer
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Liz Dinwiddie <brucethephish at gmail.com>
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Bring a rain jacket ;)
?
Charles
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From: Liz Dinwiddie <brucethephish at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Hiking Oregon and Washington this upcoming summer
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 7:20 PM
Hey all,
My name is Liz and I am currently planning a trip through Oregon and
Washington on the PCT for July-August or August-September and I would love
any and all advice, tips, and insight you may have about your similar
experiences.
My email is either brucethephish at gmail.com or dinwiddieeb at appstate.edu and
truly any insight is helpful!
Thanks!
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:54:47 -0400
From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: "Charles Williams" <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>, "Dan C. aka Thumper"
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Voluntarily "missing pieces" or not making it to the end would disqualify
someone from being a thru-hiker on the AT. I guess each trail community can
set its own criteria.
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From: "Charles Williams" <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>; "Dan C. aka Thumper"
<dofdear at cox.net>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
I've lived in Mammoth Lakes for several years and now live in Quincy,
another common resupply point. I've met many long distance hikers and was a
thru in '93. I ask all the scroungy looking people if they are thrus and
nearly all that I've met in towns and met on the trail identify with the
term "Thru-hiker". Often they voluntarily add (especially this year) a list
of pieces they've had to miss, or their new destination since they're too
late to make it to the border, or some other modification of their specific
itinerary.
But they all identify with the term "Thru-hiker". As do I for my trip, even
though I went home for a few days from Ashland and went to my brother's
house in Seattle for a week from Snoqualmie Pass.
There is another term for people that specifically walk every mile of the
trail in a single season. That is the "Purist". To be clear I was not a
purist, but the term "Thru-hiker" is a more inclusive term and a wide range
of travelers seem to use it to describe their perticular version of a long
distance PCT trek.
Charles
P.S. Soon I'll be a "Thru-rider" as soon as I breed a big enough chicken.
--- On Mon, 10/24/11, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
From: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>, "Dan C. aka Thumper"
<dofdear at cox.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 8:13 PM
to follow up, the AT community debates this often. The ATC has some
criteria for the designation of a hiker as a 2000-miler, but not
specifically for a thru-hiker. Don't know that there is a corresponding
organization like the ATC for the PCT, nor whether the terms and criteria
have been debated as much as they have in the AT community.
----- Original Message -----
From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
I'll toss my two cents in.
1. The term "continuous hike" is not generally used to describe a
thru-hike. Taking time off is fine as long as the hike is completed
within
a year.
2. A chronological year as opposed to a calendar year.
3. No. That would be a fine accomplishment but not a thru-hike. On the
AT, the term for anyone finishing the complete trail over any period of
time
is generally "2000 Miler" (because the AT is about 2000 miles long, but
you
have to finish all of it!! Not just 2000 miles!). Not sure if there is a
corresponding PCT term.
As always, my every-so-humble opinion! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:51 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Defining a 'Thru-Hike'
Dear List,
When defining a 'thru-hike' I heard terms like continuous and within a
hiking season. This brings up some questions, at least in my mind;
1. Does a continuous hike mean without significant stops, say greater
than a week, or two? What if the hiker took a month off but ultimately
completed the whole trail, does this qualify?
2. Is a season within a calendar year or within any 365-day period. In
other words could a hiker start, say 1 Nov, and as long as he/she were
completed by 31 Oct the next year , would it be considered within a
hiking
season?
3. And what about those who take several years to complete the trail by
section hiking the parts until completed. I've seen the term 'thru-hike'
associated with that accomplishment.
So I'm a little confused and seeking some guidance as to what really is
considered a 'thru-hike'. Thanks
Thumper
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