[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 46, Issue 3
Krikor Y
kyeremian at gmail.com
Mon Oct 3 12:39:07 CDT 2011
In reference to question 1 about stove-less hiking, here is my perspective
from a fire person...
I learned stove-less at B.O.S.S. (boulder outdoor survival school) a number
of years ago and have been using it ever since. The benefits are you pack
lighter, spend less money on fuel, you can burn away any trash, and lighting
a fire is good for the spirit. The drawback is that it takes time to prep
all the little branches, to stoke the fire, and having to tend to the fire
to ensure that your water boils quickly can be a hassle. However, you do get
very good at it and it gets to become a very quick and efficient process
eventually. Wet conditions pose a threat for obvious reasons, but your
chances for a water-boiling fire are improved if you always carry kindling.
Finally, you have to respect trail rules so if you should let coals burn
through (without dousing with water) so when cool you can grind them into
powder and throw them into vegetation (leave no trace). If you can, always
try to burn in an existing fire ring. Overall, I pick stove or eat cold food
if time is of the essence.
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> 1. THREE questions (Charles Doersch)
> 2. Girlscout (Ashley)
> 3. Re: THREE questions (Scott Williams)
> 4. Re: THREE questions (Melanie Clarke)
> 5. Re: Tents (Hayden Wilson)
> 6. Have South Africans done the PCT before? (Daniel Miller)
> 7. Planning a Trip for 2012 (Tim Gustafson)
> 8. Lightweight NOAA weather radio (mkwart at gci.net)
> 9. Re: Have South Africans done the PCT before? (Scott Williams)
> 10. Re: Have South Africans done the PCT before? (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 11. Re: Planning a Trip for 2012 (Edward Anderson)
> 12. Re: Have South Africans done the PCT before? (Charles Doersch)
> 13. Re: Planning a Trip for 2012 (Sir Mixalot)
> 14. Re: THREE questions (Sir Mixalot)
> 15. Re: THREE questions (anita griffin)
> 16. Re: THREE questions (shon mcganty)
> 17. Trail Angeling at Hart's or Rainy Pass........ (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 18. Hart's Pass bad weather....... (Andrea Dinsmore)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 12:33:49 -0600
> From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] THREE questions
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi everyone.
>
> I've got three questions for the group:
>
> 1. I read the occasional log journal reporting that going stoveless on the
> PCT can be a choice that simplifies the hike, though of course it eliminates
> certain comforting food/drink options. Anyone who has gone stoveless, I'd
> like to hear your thoughts on it if you're willing. The four of us are
> considering it.
> 2. What is the most common solution to posting journal entries? Sending
> written transcripts to friends who post them? or?
> 3. For any of the 2011 PCT thru-hikers who made it to Canada, any
> difficulties with border control? My understanding is that year after year
> it isn't an issue -- but there was a rumor that this year was different, and
> I thought I'd ask.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles & the gang.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 14:13:18 -0700
> From: Ashley <djalowe at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Girlscout
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hello
> I was hoping someone could send me girlscouts address. He gave James and I
> (iguana) a ride to the border and we want to send him a post card. Thanks!
> Ashley
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:00:51 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] THREE questions
> To: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I just crossed over at the monument 2 weeks ago and had no problems. As
> before, no one asked to see my Canadian entry permit. There were plenty of
> border patrol out on the US side however with automatic weapons, scopes and
> backpacks. Eight had gone in from Harts Pass just hours before we did, and
> although I didn't see them, a number of the folks we met on trail did.
> They
> reported pleasant encounters, but had been a bit shocked by seeing them in
> full regalia. They told the other hikers they were out looking for drug
> runners, which we also did not see any of.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 16:06:47 -0700
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] THREE questions
> To: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Dear Charles,
>
> I am only a section hiker until I retire in maybe 4 years. Anyway, this
> year, I did the first 323 miles without a stove and loved it. I had my
> breakfast cereal and dinners in a ziplock and I would just add water. For
> dinner, I would add the water about an hour or two before and place it at
> the top of my pack to collect warmth from the sun. The "Mountain House"
> was
> soft and completely hydrated. I carried an extra ziplock to double up the
> dinner bag from leaks. I plan to continue my section hikes without a stove
> and in 4 years I can decide if I want to do the entire PCT that way.
>
> When I used a stove for my JMT section, I ended up eating "crunchy"
> Mountain
> House anyway as I had to wait to heat up the water and didn't want to wait
> for it to become fully saturated. However, I had an "Esbit". Those Jet
> Boils are amazing, I have to admit and seem to do a better job.
>
> Toga
>
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Charles Doersch
> <charles.doersch at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > I've got three questions for the group:
> >
> > 1. I read the occasional log journal reporting that going stoveless on
> the
> > PCT can be a choice that simplifies the hike, though of course it
> eliminates
> > certain comforting food/drink options. Anyone who has gone stoveless, I'd
> > like to hear your thoughts on it if you're willing. The four of us are
> > considering it.
> > 2. What is the most common solution to posting journal entries? Sending
> > written transcripts to friends who post them? or?
> > 3. For any of the 2011 PCT thru-hikers who made it to Canada, any
> > difficulties with border control? My understanding is that year after
> year
> > it isn't an issue -- but there was a rumor that this year was different,
> and
> > I thought I'd ask.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charles & the gang.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:58:58 -0500
> From: Hayden Wilson <hydnwilson at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tents
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> I own not only a Lunar Duo, but also a Lunar Solo and a Six Moons Design
> Wild Oasis. I assume that you are shopping specifically for a two person
> tent. If not, the Duo is probably too large for one person and you might be
> better off with something like a Lunar Solo.
>
> For two people the Duo is a super tent. It has several features which I
> think are a pretty big deal when two of you are trying to function day in
> and day out on the trail. First, there are two openings and two vestibules.
> No crawling over one another to get in and out. Second, there is plenty of
> head room. Both of you can sit up to organize your gear at the same time.
> No waiting for someone else to get spread out or get gathered up before the
> other person begins. It is very convenient to have a tent that allows two
> people to cope with daily "tentkeeping" stuff at the same time. Also,
> because the high point in the tent is in the center where the doors are you
> can reach things at both the head and foot of the tent with a minimum of
> touching the sidewalls, ie., coming into contact with condensation. These
> may not seem like much, but I have been in other two person tents whose
> design makes harmonious living more difficult.
>
> Suprisingly, the Duo is also pretty good in wind. It certainly is not an
> alpine tent, but it deals with wind far better than one would think. IMO
> it is about as good a two person PCT shelter as you can get for the weight.
> But then again, that is just my opinion.
> Best of luck with whatever you choose and with your hike
>
> Hayden Wilson
> "Birdnut"
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:26:18 -0700
> > From: danielhurt at ymail.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Tents
> >
> > I would like to know if any hikers have had use of any of these tents and
> what they think of them on a thru hike north on the PCT; does anyone think
> one is better than another? I'm considering golite shangri-la 2, MSR twin
> sisters, six moon Lunar Duo, Tarp tent Cloudburst 2, or double rainbow. Any
> thoughts anyone has on any of these tents and how they hold up on the PCT
> would be helpful.
> >
> >
> > From: "pct-l-request at backcountry.net" <pct-l-request at backcountry.net>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:00 AM
> > Subject: Pct-L Digest, Vol 45, Issue 29
> >
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> >
> > 1. Re: PCT-L - Most Common Causes of Thru-Dropout
> > (Meridith Rosendahl)
> > 2. Re: time/distance (Joseph Anderson)
> > 3. Re: Reaction to Hikers (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> > 4. Re: PCT-L - Most Common Causes of Thru-Dropout (Nathan Miller)
> > 5. Re: Scissor Crossing to Snow Creek (Ground Pounder)
> > 6. Re: time/distance (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> > 7. Re: time/distance (Austin Williams)
> > 8. Re: time/distance (Austin Williams)
> > 9. Re: Most Common Causes of Thru-Dropout (Austin Williams)
> > 10. Re: Scissor Crossing to Snow Creek (Derek Fohs)
> > 11. Here It Comes (tom aterno)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:17:18 -0700
> > From: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-L - Most Common Causes of Thru-Dropout
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's my girl! I love that woman. Maybe I could frame that quote.
> Hm....
> > Piper's Mom
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:48:28 -0700
> > > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-L - Most Common Causes of Thru-Dropout
> > >
> >
> >
> > > I loved every minute. Well, okay, not every minute, but I
> > > look back on every minute fondly, even the minutes I hated.
> > >
> > > This probably wins the prize for the best hiking quote of
> > > the year so far!
> > >
> > > Yup! Way to go Piper! That one's repeatable.
> > > Shroomer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:47:06 -0700
> > From: Joseph Anderson <joedaddy44 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] time/distance
> > To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+YaG_EDj4tb_1XD8hKtLxsN5uL1rp1JEQYewPD6v9=afZ5bwQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > I totally agree with Shroomer on that. Starting at Kennedy meadows will
> give
> > you a gentle entrance to the Sierras at what is arguably the best time of
> > year to do so. It was July 10th when I headed north from KM this year. We
> > enjoyed perfect weather and much less snow than a month earlier when the
> > thru hiker pack was there. You'll have a much more pleasant trip
> beginning
> > at KM than you would if you were to start from the border at that time of
> > year. (IMHO)
> >
> > - Joe -
> >
> > Life is good!
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:15:04 +0900
> > From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Reaction to Hikers
> > To: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> > Cc: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>,
> > pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAMCqdRvFBBc6Ltu0r_CAbSeWLG705uEmnB9N-pMm9eYAmkicKQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > I met three men at the Muir Hut this summer. They were very friendly,
> > but their body odor was too severe. My eyes felt a pain and was not
> > able to tolerate, even I was a few meters from them. I ran away from
> > them immediately. My wife also had the same experience. They might be
> > famous professors or attorneys. I don't know.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/7/4 Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>:
> > > Very well said............I tell all my new friends how we fell into
> the
> > > hiker family. Jerry called me from Skykomish one day and asked if he
> could
> > > bring 4 hikers home. We had never heard of the Pacific Crest Trail. Had
> no
> > > idea who, what or where. The stink.....Holy Cow. Couldn't believe a
> human or
> > > animal could be so potent. Anyhow, these guys who looked like they'd
> been
> > > living under a bridge forever, turned out to be 3 attorneys and a Dr.
> That's
> > > when our education started. Don't judge a book by it's cover.....wait
> until
> > > they open their mouths. Well, most of the time that works. If you think
> > > someone is homeless.....you might be able to lend a hand. The dirt
> washes
> > > off......the friendship may last forever.
> > >
> > > Andrea Dinsmore
> > > PCT MOM
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> >
> > --
> > Sincerely
> > --------------- --------------------------------------
> > Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami ???? )
> > Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
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> > Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> > 2009 JMT, 2009, 2010, 2011(half).
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-L - Most Common Causes of Thru-Dropout
> > To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
> > Tortoise73 at charter.net, jplynch <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <1317261786.95355.YahooMailClassic at web120411.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > > "I loved every minute. Well, okay,
> > > not every minute, but I
> > > look back on every minute fondly, even the minutes I
> > > hated."
> > > This probably wins the prize for the best hiking quote of
> > > the year so far!
> >
> > I totally agree! When I was postholing through the snow on Old Baldy in
> June, after a couple of hours, I started thinking, "THIS SUCKS!!!!" Looking
> back on it, I now think, "You know, it really wasn't THAT bad."
> >
> > -Nate the Trail Zombie
> > Newberg, OR
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:45:41 -0700
> > From: "Ground Pounder" <groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scissor Crossing to Snow Creek
> > To: "'Derek Fohs'" <derekfohs at hotmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <005801cc7e51$e124fc50$a36ef4f0$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > You only going to eat 3 times?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Derek Fohs
> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:26 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Scissor Crossing to Snow Creek
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I'm starting my second segment of the PCT next month. I'll start at
> Scissor
> > Crossing outside of Julian and end at Hwy 10 outside of Palm Springs.
> Anyone
> > have tips or suggestions for this leg? Campsights, sidetrips, etc. My
> plan
> > is to forego stove, fuel, and cooking wares and get hot meals and
> resupply
> > cold food in Warner Springs, Hwy 74, and Idyllwild.
> > Thanks,
> > Derek
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:55:09 -0700
> > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] time/distance
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <2DC210BA-9153-4F39-9AA2-C7A01FFA22D0 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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> >
> > Trailhacker attempted to hike from Cabazon to Cajon Pass over the 4th
> > of July weekend. When we arrived at the Section C trailhead outside
> > Cabazon at 8pm it was still 102 degrees (39 Celcius). I hiked with
> > him for a while and we slept on the trail near Teutang Canyon. It was
> > very hard to sleep when it was too hot to use a sleeping bag. I
> > couldn't even stand to have fabric cover my legs, yet big bugs would
> > flutter against my legs. After a few hours it cooled off enough to
> > drape a bivy sack over part of me. It was nice in the morning. I set
> > off back to the car and bid good-bye to Trailhacker who continued on.
> >
> > I drove home to comfortable Santa Barbara and took a nap. Sometime in
> > the afternoon I thought maybe I should check my phone messages just
> > in case. There was a message from Trailhacker. He sounded like he was
> > in dire straights. He sounded weak and his voice was shaky and
> > exhausted. He said he was turning back. It was just too hot. He
> > really sounded like he might die. I rushed back to the trail and
> > worried that I had been irresponsible enough to let him go and kill
> > himself. Santa Barbara is 3.5 hours away from Cabazon.
> >
> > When I got to Cabazon I got a hotel and turned on the air conditioner
> > hoping to create a cool place to take Trailhacker, if I could find
> > him. It was 120 degrees. (49 Celcius). It was way too hot for me to
> > go out on the trail and look for him.
> >
> > Long story short (too late, I know) he didn't make it out of there
> > until the next morning. It had been 125 degrees (52 C) where he was
> > and he recognized that he had symptoms of heat exhaustion so he
> > backtracked to Whitewater creek where he set up a sun shade and
> > soaked in the creek all day. He waited until morning when it was
> > cooler to return to the trailhead.
> >
> > All this is to say that July is probably not the best time to hike
> > the Southern California portion of the trail. There are pieces you
> > could do, such as Mt. San Jacinto and the mountains around Big Bear
> > and Wrightwood, but these sections are very short. You may get lucky
> > and the hottest it will be is 95, or you could have a heat wave like
> > Trailhacker got and get 125 degrees. He could have done this hike a
> > week earlier or later no problem. He likes it hot. But not THAT hot!
> >
> > If you really want to start your hike at the Mexican border it's best
> > to do it in April or May. It's delightful then. Usually comfortable
> > temperatures with warm days and cold nights and pretty flowers even
> > in the desert.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 28, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm new to the site. I'm planning to start a first leg of the PCT
> > > next summer from the Mex border, probably early July and hike
> > > through late August. Can anyone tell me how much of the trail I can
> > > cover during that time (about 50 days). I'm a relatively
> > > experienced hiker, used to steep climbs up the Alps; I live in
> > > Grenoble, France.
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:42:11 -0700
> > From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] time/distance
> > To: patrick moreno <patrickfmoreno at yahoo.fr>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
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> > My best guess: 50 days = 860 miles. In heat like that, though, perhaps
> 15%
> > less due to lots of extra "hiding in whatever shade you can find" time.
> :)
> > Sounds like fun. Bring more water than you think you'll need.
> >
> > Austin Williams
> > www.PlanYourHike.com <http://www.planyourhike.com/>
> > Info on PCT Gear, Resupply Points, Maps, Thru hiking Movies, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:55 PM, patrick moreno <
> patrickfmoreno at yahoo.fr>wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm new to the site. I'm planning to start a first leg of the PCT next
> > > summer from the Mex border, probably early July and hike through late
> > > August. Can anyone tell me how much of the trail I can cover during
> that
> > > time (about 50 days). I'm a relatively experienced hiker, used to steep
> > > climbs up the Alps; I live in Grenoble, France.
> > >
> > >
> > > Pat
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:42:44 -0700
> > From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] time/distance
> > To: patrick moreno <patrickfmoreno at yahoo.fr>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAGOWXFTUEBVp_1dvdr9QCJ_xpznYPmJYLxJLTo_7mXHer28qKw at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > You might consider heading southbound if yer starting that late....
> that's
> > what I would do.
> >
> > Austin Williams
> >
> > www.PlanYourHike.com <http://www.planyourhike.com/>
> > Info on PCT Gear, Resupply Points, Maps, Thru hiking Movies, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Austin Williams <
> > austinwilliams123 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My best guess: 50 days = 860 miles. In heat like that, though,
> perhaps
> > > 15% less due to lots of extra "hiding in whatever shade you can find"
> > > time. :)
> > > Sounds like fun. Bring more water than you think you'll need.
> > >
> > > Austin Williams
> > > www.PlanYourHike.com <http://www.planyourhike.com/>
> > > Info on PCT Gear, Resupply Points, Maps, Thru hiking Movies, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:55 PM, patrick moreno <
> patrickfmoreno at yahoo.fr>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I'm new to the site. I'm planning to start a first leg of the PCT next
> > >> summer from the Mex border, probably early July and hike through late
> > >> August. Can anyone tell me how much of the trail I can cover during
> that
> > >> time (about 50 days). I'm a relatively experienced hiker, used to
> steep
> > >> climbs up the Alps; I live in Grenoble, France.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Pat
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:52:42 -0700
> > From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Most Common Causes of Thru-Dropout
> > To: Jeff Judd <frotiss_lupus at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAGOWXFR4GG7oHacGhAkKKDUuUYOhLzY1v9S=TfPmH8vBriRr7A at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > I'd like to add: take zero days even if you don't think you need them. I
> > did 1600 miles with only 3 zero days and (though I didn't realize it at
> the
> > time) that really, really affected my attitude and spirit in a negative
> > way. I was literally overworked and didn't know it. Looking back I can
> see
> > the signs, but at the time I was blind to them.
> >
> > If yer feeling aggro and irritable and like yer not having fun... that's
> a
> > sure sign that you need a zero day or two.
> > I also agree with the previous poster that hiking (especially solo) can
> be a
> > very emotional experience. I remember crying a few times on the trail.
> The
> > first time was when I injured my ankle. I didn't cry because of the
> pain...
> > I cried (sobbed like a little baby) because I thought it meant my trip
> was
> > going to be over. That all that planning and dreaming, and preparing,
> and
> > anticipation was all for naught. That was a very hard day. (I spent
> half a
> > day with my ankle soaking in a cold creek before finally hobbling on. It
> > actually healed rather quickly.)
> >
> > The loneliness of a solo hike hit me at the strangest time. I actual
> didn't
> > *feel* alone *most* of the time. I am a very independent person and
> usually
> > prefer to be by myself than around others. It wasn't until I either (a)
> > had a near death experience, or (b) was taking in a breathtaking view,
> that
> > I felt alone. During the near death experiences (almost sliding off a
> cliff
> > (x6), sliding downhill towards a freezing lake, having half my body fall
> > into a crevasse, falling down a waterfall when lost several miles off
> trail,
> > yada yada yada) I became instantly and vividly aware that I was alone,
> and
> > that only I could save myself. (A very sobering thought). Looking back,
> > these were some of my favorite moments. I wouldn't want to repeat *any*
> of
> > them, but they really let me "test my metal".
> >
> > But it was when I had all that beauty and wonder and magic all around me
> --
> > as far as the eye can see and as deep as the heart can feel -- that's
> when I
> > really felt the most alone. I was so sad that I had no one present to
> share
> > it with (a rare feeling for me). Pictures do no justice. I would have
> > given anything to share those moments with my wife, or friends, or
> > siblings.... anyone. It's a very strange feeling being in awe of the
> beauty
> > and wonder that our wilderness inspires -- feeling as though you are
> right
> > in the middle of the most perfect place in the most perfect time that has
> > ever existed-- and at the same time feeling like you are the only person
> > that is left on the planet. Entirely alone. Those moments are mine, and
> > I'll never forget them. But it would have been nice to share a few of
> them
> > with loved ones.
> >
> > yeah, I cried... like a little baby...
> >
> > where was I going with this? Oh, right. Why people leave the trail....
> I
> > think sometimes one's emotions can weigh more than their gear.
> >
> > Yet another reason: sometimes people get "their fill" of whatever it is
> they
> > are looking for (adventure, solitude, distance from modern society,
> > exercise, the wilderness experience, bragging rights, simplicity, etc)
> > before they reach their original destination. I hiked from Canada to
> > Kennedy Meadows, and I took one look at the last leg of the SoBo hike
> (the
> > desert) and thought "nah...". I was uninspired (the desert in September
> is
> > not nearly as awesome as it is in April, let me tell you....).
> >
> > Just remember, it's easy to get so blinded by the goal that you forget
> why
> > you set it. If you do some soul searching you'll probably find that real
> > purpose of the thru hike isn't simply to get from Mexico to Canada (if
> > that's all it was you'd just take a bus, right?). I like to think of the
> > thru hike as a *means* rather than an *end*. Our origin is our present
> > self. Our destination is our future, stronger, wiser, more courageous
> and
> > confident self. The PCT is the path from origin to destination.
> >
> > Hakuna Matata,
> >
> > Austin Williams
> >
> > www.PlanYourHike.com <http://www.planyourhike.com/>
> > Info on PCT Gear, Resupply Points, Maps, Thru hiking Movies, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Jeff Judd <frotiss_lupus at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I just want to give a gargantuan thank you to everyone who responded to
> > > this inquiry both on and off list. You've all given me a wealth of
> > > different angles from which to consider this undertaking. Your
> personal
> > > experiences will be very helpful in examining my psyche on trail I
> think.
> > > It all comes down to the individual it seems like. By which I mean
> both
> > > individual fitness and proneness to injury, and the mindset one has
> both
> > > going into it and on trail. All we can ever do is plan and prepare to
> the
> > > fullest extent possible, then understand that the best laid schemes of
> mice
> > > and men oft go awry.
> > >
> > > With that being said I think my wife and I definitely need to get some
> > > additional experience on snow travel and stream crossings. We don't
> get the
> > > chance to practice that much here in San Diego. Also, whoever it was
> that
> > > gave me the advice to train as much as possible on long, uneven terrain
> to
> > > help my joints and ligaments become more resistant to repetitive motion
> > > injuries, that was a gem.
> > >
> > > Much love,
> > >
> > > Jeff
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 03:07:14 +0000
> > From: Derek Fohs <derekfohs at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scissor Crossing to Snow Creek
> > To: <groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <BAY155-W41CE158FAA089A6404F013A0F60 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > Maybe if I was going to sprint the whole way. Only three hot meals where
> I can get them. The rest of the menu will be salami, cheese, cliff bars,
> avos, hardboiled eggs, trailmix, beef jerkey, chocolate, etc.
> >
> >
> > > From: groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net
> > > To: derekfohs at hotmail.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Scissor Crossing to Snow Creek
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:45:41 -0700
> > >
> > > You only going to eat 3 times?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Derek Fohs
> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:26 PM
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Scissor Crossing to Snow Creek
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > I'm starting my second segment of the PCT next month. I'll start at
> Scissor
> > > Crossing outside of Julian and end at Hwy 10 outside of Palm Springs.
> Anyone
> > > have tips or suggestions for this leg? Campsights, sidetrips, etc. My
> plan
> > > is to forego stove, fuel, and cooking wares and get hot meals and
> resupply
> > > cold food in Warner Springs, Hwy 74, and Idyllwild.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Derek
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:35:24 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Here It Comes
> > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <1317296124.88850.YahooMailNeo at web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > For all you JMT and?northern?PCT backpackers, winter will potentially
> will?arrive early next week.
> > ?
> > http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=vef&wwa=specialweather statement
> > ?
> > As Ground Pounder Bill says, "Be Prepared."
> > ?
> > Have fun in the snow.? It's just rain, rain and more rain?on the east
> coast.
> > ?
> > ?
> > ?
> > The Incredible Bulk
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 02:31:42 +0200
> From: Daniel Miller <danmill at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Have South Africans done the PCT before?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Hey folks
>
> I am planning on doing the PCT starting April next year with a friend.
> We're
> both from South Africa and were wondering if any South Africans have done
> it
> before... Where could we find out?
>
> I also have a question about crossing rivers. Should you take off your
> shoes
> and socks so that they are dry, which is 10x more comfortable than soggy
> feet. Or, should you just mission through any river and let them dry out...
> Or is it a bit of both?
>
> Those who never got any blisters - what shoes were you using and how many
> did you go through?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Daniel
>
> ps - is anyone going to be in Whistler this season? I'll be working there
> and would love to meet up with any PCT-affiliates.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:24:30 -0700
> From: Tim Gustafson <tjg at tgustafson.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Planning a Trip for 2012
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CACMcHMdw+OzWnFEg2jk_R=VMQgDSrK6zBPMCuiSkuFVhbsCF9w at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Hi,
>
> I'm planning on hiking the PCT in sections starting in April of 2012
> at the Mexican border. I was planning on flying into San Diego, and
> then somehow getting from the airport to the trail head, and then
> hiking to Idyllwild over the course of about 2 weeks, and then somehow
> getting from Idyllwild back to the San Diego airport.
>
> So, I have three questions:
>
> 1. Does anyone have any recommendations for the best way to get from
> San Diego to the trail head?
>
> 2. Is two weeks a sufficient amount of time for this trip? Craig's
> PCT Planner says "yes", with room to spare, but I was wondering if
> anyone had any recommendations one way or the other?
>
> 3. Does anyone have any recommendations for the best way to get from
> Idyllwild back to San Diego airport?
>
> I checked Super Shuttle, and they appear to go from San Diego Airport
> to Campo, and from Idyllwild to Long Beach Airport (which would be
> fine), but it's like $190 for the trip from San Diego to Campo, and
> like $290 for the trip from Idyllwild to Long Beach. That's actually
> more than the air fare to get to either airport. So, I was hoping
> that there was a less expensive way.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>
> Tim Gustafson
> tjg at tgustafson.com
> http://tgustafson.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 16:08:03 -0800 (AKDT)
> From: mkwart at gci.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight NOAA weather radio
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <363751202.804901.1317600483782.JavaMail.mkwart at mail.gci.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no
>
> Hi:
>
> I'm looking for the most lightweight radio I can get that can tune into
> the NOAA weather radio channels--are there any MP3s that do this?
> Ideally, I want an MP3 player for playing music as well as AM/FM
> reception and can get NOAA weather channels. Is there such a beast?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fireweed
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:48:40 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Have South Africans done the PCT before?
> To: Daniel Miller <danmill at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAGxcj10_5AoW5qzw2EF2vYy+V08oNL2i+eTFTBnUnv9A132k7g at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hey Daniel,
> If you know it's only one stream crossing for a long ways, then by all
> means
> take your shoes off and keep them dry. In the High Sierra and northern
> Sierra, the stream crossings are so frequent that you would spend all day
> changing shoes and socks. At places they are just minutes apart, over and
> over. We started out keeping dry, but quickly went to just splashing on
> through and continued doing that for about a 1,000 miles or more. Even in
> the snow my shoes dried quickly. When you hike fast, the cool feet can
> actually be pleasant. No jungle rot through the snowy sections, but when
> we
> got north of Tahoe and it was wet and warm, we all got foot fungus and had
> to resort to anti fungal creams and powders which worked well.
>
> I got no blisters, something that still blows my mind. I used Montrail
> Sabinas. I love them as they have a very wide toe box, and saw them on
> several of the thrus I met just a few weeks ago while hiking the several
> hundred miles before Manning Park. I didn't meet any South Africans on
> trail last year, but there are probably some out there.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:15:03 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Have South Africans done the PCT before?
> To: Daniel Miller <danmill at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAMCqdRt5m8zOzrep9Q+zuszhqtTOcFUb0Etg-i3zo4dyH7=usA at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP
>
> Dear Daniel
>
> I usually ford with boots. In cold weather, it is a big problem to
> treat wet boots. So, I have used neoprene socks this summer. It works
> well. Consider as a spare. http://bit.ly/mZrGEY
>
>
>
>
> 2011/10/2 Daniel Miller <danmill at gmail.com>:
> > Hey folks
> >
> > I am planning on doing the PCT starting April next year with a friend.
> We're
> > both from South Africa and were wondering if any South Africans have done
> it
> > before... Where could we find out?
> >
> > I also have a question about crossing rivers. Should you take off your
> shoes
> > and socks so that they are dry, which is 10x more comfortable than soggy
> > feet. Or, should you just mission through any river and let them dry
> out...
> > Or is it a bit of both?
> >
> > Those who never got any blisters - what shoes were you using and how many
> > did you go through?
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Daniel
> >
> > ps - is anyone going to be in Whistler this season? I'll be working there
> > and would love to meet up with any PCT-affiliates.
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami ???? )
> Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
> Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> 2009 JMT, 2009, 2010, 2011(half).
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:22:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Planning a Trip for 2012
> To: Tim Gustafson <tjg at tgustafson.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1317612132.87089.YahooMailNeo at web111607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Use your thumb, signs, and a big smile. Make up all of your signs before
> you start naming towns along your proposed route - always less than about 50
> miles apart. That worked for me.
> ?
> MendoRider
>
> From: Tim Gustafson <tjg at tgustafson.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 7:24 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Planning a Trip for 2012
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm planning on hiking the PCT in sections starting in April of 2012
> at the Mexican border.? I was planning on flying into San Diego, and
> then somehow getting from the airport to the trail head, and then
> hiking to Idyllwild over the course of about 2 weeks, and then somehow
> getting from Idyllwild back to the San Diego airport.
>
> So, I have three questions:
>
> 1. Does anyone have any recommendations for the best way to get from
> San Diego to the trail head?
>
> 2. Is two weeks a sufficient amount of time for this trip?? Craig's
> PCT Planner says "yes", with room to spare, but I was wondering if
> anyone had any recommendations one way or the other?
>
> 3. Does anyone have any recommendations for the best way to get from
> Idyllwild back to San Diego airport?
>
> I checked Super Shuttle, and they appear to go from San Diego Airport
> to Campo, and from Idyllwild to Long Beach Airport (which would be
> fine), but it's like $190 for the trip from San Diego to Campo, and
> like $290 for the trip from Idyllwild to Long Beach.? That's actually
> more than the air fare to get to either airport.? So, I was hoping
> that there was a less expensive way.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>
> Tim Gustafson
> tjg at tgustafson.com
> http://tgustafson.com/
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:44:33 -0600
> From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Have South Africans done the PCT before?
> To: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CADH_B_hEzAwcKkqFKotKqcDBj74L2W0yyeEH1nJ9g1FXw-Hgzw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Daniel,
>
> I recommend Yogi's book on the PCT ~~ it'll answer many many many questions
> about things you've never even thought about, as well as those things you
> have -- like about shoes & fording &cet (though there's not yet a section
> on
> South Africans, so that question she won't be answering). :-D We've been
> doing exactly what she recommends for shoes and we never get blisters on
> our
> section hikes on the Colorado Trail ... and on our daily climbing up Bear
> Peak and back.
>
> Next year we'll be on the PCT, too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Charles & the gang.
>
> 2011/10/2 Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
>
> > Dear Daniel
> >
> > I usually ford with boots. In cold weather, it is a big problem to
> > treat wet boots. So, I have used neoprene socks this summer. It works
> > well. Consider as a spare. http://bit.ly/mZrGEY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/10/2 Daniel Miller <danmill at gmail.com>:
> > > Hey folks
> > >
> > > I am planning on doing the PCT starting April next year with a friend.
> > We're
> > > both from South Africa and were wondering if any South Africans have
> done
> > it
> > > before... Where could we find out?
> > >
> > > I also have a question about crossing rivers. Should you take off your
> > shoes
> > > and socks so that they are dry, which is 10x more comfortable than
> soggy
> > > feet. Or, should you just mission through any river and let them dry
> > out...
> > > Or is it a bit of both?
> > >
> > > Those who never got any blisters - what shoes were you using and how
> many
> > > did you go through?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > > ps - is anyone going to be in Whistler this season? I'll be working
> there
> > > and would love to meet up with any PCT-affiliates.
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 23:26:03 -0700
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Planning a Trip for 2012
> To: Tim Gustafson <tjg at tgustafson.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 1. Get Yogi's book. It has phone numbers for trail angels that may be able
> to give you a ride, and if that doesn't work out, it also has information
> for taking public transportation.
>
> 2. That depends on you, and somewhat on weather. I'd say chances are high
> that that's enough time.
>
> 3. Why not take the tram on Mt San Jacinto down into Palm Springs and fly
> out from there? I think the ride down the tram is free.
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Tim Gustafson <tjg at tgustafson.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm planning on hiking the PCT in sections starting in April of 2012
> > at the Mexican border. I was planning on flying into San Diego, and
> > then somehow getting from the airport to the trail head, and then
> > hiking to Idyllwild over the course of about 2 weeks, and then somehow
> > getting from Idyllwild back to the San Diego airport.
> >
> > So, I have three questions:
> >
> > 1. Does anyone have any recommendations for the best way to get from
> > San Diego to the trail head?
> >
> > 2. Is two weeks a sufficient amount of time for this trip? Craig's
> > PCT Planner says "yes", with room to spare, but I was wondering if
> > anyone had any recommendations one way or the other?
> >
> > 3. Does anyone have any recommendations for the best way to get from
> > Idyllwild back to San Diego airport?
> >
> > I checked Super Shuttle, and they appear to go from San Diego Airport
> > to Campo, and from Idyllwild to Long Beach Airport (which would be
> > fine), but it's like $190 for the trip from San Diego to Campo, and
> > like $290 for the trip from Idyllwild to Long Beach. That's actually
> > more than the air fare to get to either airport. So, I was hoping
> > that there was a less expensive way.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Tim Gustafson
> > tjg at tgustafson.com
> > http://tgustafson.com/
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 23:36:02 -0700
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] THREE questions
> To: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 1. I haven't finished a thru hike yet, but I've been hiking stoveless for
> the last two years. I do a powdered drink consisting of a custom blend. I
> absolutely love it because it maximizes my hiking time, reduces weight and
> bulk, prevents me from being too far off on nutrition and hydration, and
> makes it very easy to know my macronutrient intake. A third of my daily
> calories (4500) comes from gorp.
>
> 2. I'd guess that using a computer in trail towns is #1, followed by using
> a
> smart phone. Last time I found keeping a journal too tedious. If I
> attempt
> to keep a journal again, I'll only use a computer in trail towns, and if
> I'm
> lucky, I'll send voicemail journals for someone at home to transcribe.
>
> 3. I don't why border patrol would be a problem for north bound hikers.
> They have said they'd bust south bound hikers crossing into the United
> States from Canada.
>
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Charles Doersch
> <charles.doersch at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > I've got three questions for the group:
> >
> > 1. I read the occasional log journal reporting that going stoveless on
> the
> > PCT can be a choice that simplifies the hike, though of course it
> eliminates
> > certain comforting food/drink options. Anyone who has gone stoveless, I'd
> > like to hear your thoughts on it if you're willing. The four of us are
> > considering it.
> > 2. What is the most common solution to posting journal entries? Sending
> > written transcripts to friends who post them? or?
> > 3. For any of the 2011 PCT thru-hikers who made it to Canada, any
> > difficulties with border control? My understanding is that year after
> year
> > it isn't an issue -- but there was a rumor that this year was different,
> and
> > I thought I'd ask.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charles & the gang.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:10:48 -0600
> From: anita griffin <anita.griffin at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] THREE questions
> To: <charles.doersch at gmail.com>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> We are section hikers and do not use a stove. We have been 2 weeks between
> hot meals and did not suffer.
>
> Breakfast: Instant breakfast with instant coffee and dry milk portioned at
> home, granola and dry milk - add water when ready to eat
> Lunch: Bars, nuts, dry fruit, etc
> Dinner: I make my own dehydrated meals (some as simple as canned chili),
> package in zip locks, and add water an hour or so before eating
>
> > From: charles.doersch at gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 12:33:49 -0600
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] THREE questions
> >
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > I've got three questions for the group:
> >
> > 1. I read the occasional log journal reporting that going stoveless on
> the PCT can be a choice that simplifies the hike, though of course it
> eliminates certain comforting food/drink options. Anyone who has gone
> stoveless, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it if you're willing. The four
> of us are considering it.
> > 2. What is the most common solution to posting journal entries? Sending
> written transcripts to friends who post them? or?
> > 3. For any of the 2011 PCT thru-hikers who made it to Canada, any
> difficulties with border control? My understanding is that year after year
> it isn't an issue -- but there was a rumor that this year was different, and
> I thought I'd ask.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Charles & the gang.
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 08:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] THREE questions
> To: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>,
> "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 1) I go non-stove for all my hikes, including three thru-hikes.? Many
> gringe when they think of eating bars, but that's the main food group I
> use.? There's so many brands out there to mix it up.? I find it easy to
> predict?how much?to bring, based on how many meals = how many bars, plus
> other fun snack items.
> ?
> 2) no experience
> ?
> 3) northbound hikers have no problems entering Canada (that I've ever heard
> of).? For SOBO's, "They" say the U.S. will crack down on any entry into the
> U.S. from any site other than an official border crossing.
> ?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 11:33 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] THREE questions
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I've got three questions for the group:
>
> 1. I read the occasional log journal reporting that going stoveless on the
> PCT can be a choice that simplifies the hike, though of course it eliminates
> certain comforting food/drink options. Anyone who has gone stoveless, I'd
> like to hear your thoughts on it if you're willing. The four of us are
> considering it.
> 2. What is the most common solution to posting journal entries? Sending
> written transcripts to friends who post them? or?
> 3. For any of the 2011 PCT thru-hikers who made it to Canada, any
> difficulties with border control? My understanding is that year after year
> it isn't an issue -- but there was a rumor that this year was different, and
> I thought I'd ask.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles & the gang.
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:15:17 -0700
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Angeling at Hart's or Rainy Pass........
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Who's up doing trail angeling at Hart's or Rainy Pass ? Got a message about
> some hypothermic hikers in bad shape. Did anyone else get an email or Face
> Book message about this ?
>
> PCT MOM
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:29:12 -0700
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hart's Pass bad weather.......
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Daniel Howard Snyder (trail angel) up at Hart's Pass............
>
> Despite the fact that the road to Hart?s Pass was declared officially
> ?closed?, my 11-year old firstborn, Wildabeest, named last year by Swift
> and
> Buckeye, and I arrived at Hart?s Pass at 4:53pm. We quickly set up c...amp
> and started a fire for thruhikers. And we waited?and waited?and waited. No
> one showed up, so I went to bed at 11:30pm. Up early to catch those who
> might have been at water five miles south, we waited?and waited?and waited.
> It was cold; raining mercilessly. No one showed up, until 10:30, that is.
> Then we got slammed. It was great! Between then and 2pm, we served fifteen
> very cold and very wet thruhikers; two appeared borderline hypothermic. The
> whole lot took turns rotating through the four-door pickup which was
> running
> and pumping out heat full-blast. With two exceptions?one woman (unnamed)
> was
> very sick with some lung ailment, and she and her friend called it
> quits?all
> were gone by 2. We drove the exceptions down to Mazama at 2:30; back to
> camp
> by 4:30, we waited again. And waited?and waited?and waited. No one showed.
> Tired, we went for the tent and bed at 8:30pm. Before we reached it, three
> cold, wet, hungry voices shivered through the dark, ?Is this the trail
> magic?? Three more! Dinner, sleep, breakfast...they left at 10:30am, in
> sunshine. Fifteen minutes passed and we had our last hiker, who said she
> needed "some protein". After several sausages and some ground sirloin
> steak,
> she ran off to catch up with the three. We left at 2pm. 19 total is pretty
> good for 44-hour trail magic. We left the tents up and a gas lantern for
> those coming through this week. It?s supposed to snow hard and get nasty.
> Hopefully, we can retrieve the gear next weekend, and do more magic. All
> the
> best, Serpent Slayer.
>
> Reported to me this morning.
>
> PCT MOM
>
>
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