[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 47, Issue 30

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>   1. Re: History of Backpacking (shon mcganty)
>   2. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (shon mcganty)
>   3. Re: Post Offices (Sam Griffin)
>   4. Re: History of Backpacking (Jackie McDonnell)
>   5. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (giniajim)
>   6. ED compensation (JoAnn)
>   7. Re: History of Backpacking (Scott Bryce)
>   8. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (Ron)
>   9.  History of Backpacking (enyapjr at comcast.net)
>  10. Re: History of Backpacking (chiefcowboy at verizon.net)
>  11. Re: History of Backpacking (Hikes and Bikes)
>  12. Re: History of Backpacking (Jackie McDonnell)
>  13. Re: ED compensation (Timothy Nye)
>  14.  History of Backpacking (Hootie Martin)
>  15. History of Backpacking (shelly skye)
>  16. Re: History of Backpacking (Bob Bankhead)
>  17. Re: History of Backpacking (Jeffrey Olson)
>  18. When is the mission of the PCTA complete? (Barry Teschlog)
>  19. Re: History of Backpacking (giniajim)
>  20. Re: HEY shroomer (Scott Williams)
>  21.  Pika Stove system winning hiker (Deems)
>  22. Re: ED compensation (Tortoise)
>  23. Re: History of Backpacking (gschenk1 at roadrunner.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:25:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>, PCT
>    <pct-l at backcountry.net>,    "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>, Deems
>    <losthiker at sisqtel.net>,    MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>, scott
>    williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>,    "Acu4harmony at aol.com"
>    <Acu4harmony at aol.com>
> Cc: andrea williams <andrea.l.williams at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
>    <1322504715.99267.YahooMailNeo at web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> ?
> ?
> This diatribe contributes not one single helpful piece of information to the backpacking community and effectively puts down not only liberals but all people who are not named JMT Reinhold and Switchback by calling them wimpy and wusses.? Screw you!
> ?
> Could whom ever monitors this blog please block all entries by this nasty blogger JMT Reinhold.? It is?mean spirited and has no place here on this site (or I have no place or desire to be apart of this site).
> ?
> Shon McGanty
> ?
> (And JMT Reinhold, don't try calling be a liberal or a wimp becasue I'm writing to complain, that's all to easy and predictable.? If you? want to connect me personally off site at smcganty at yahoo.com, I'd love to have a few words with you).
> ?
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>; Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; scott williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>; Acu4harmony at aol.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:32 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> 
> To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know 
> much about history.
> Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some)? on the 
> history of backpacking.
> 
> Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the 
> history of man, to see the parallels.
> 
> Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic 
> hunters/gatherers.
> They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to 
> the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
> 
> The two most important events in all of history were the invention of 
> beer and the invention of the wheel.
> The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
> These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the 
> catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
> 1. Liberals
> 2. Conservatives
> 
> Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of 
> agriculture.
> Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
> So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be 
> invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages 
> were formed.
> 
> Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night 
> while they were drinking beer.
> This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
> 
> Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of 
> the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the 
> sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
> This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
> 
> Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known 
> as girlie-men.
> Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, 
> the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of 
> democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the 
> conservatives provided.
> 
> Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest, 
> most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
> Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
> 
> Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer 
> white wine or imported bottled water.
> They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
> Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
> Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have 
> higher testosterone levels than their men.
> Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in 
> Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
> Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to 
> make the pitcher also bat.
> 
> Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
> They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
> Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, 
> construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, 
> engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, 
> airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
> Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to 
> work for a living.
> 
> Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers 
> and decide what to do with the production.
> Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
> That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were 
> coming to America.
> They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of 
> trying to get more for nothing.
> 
> Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold 
> that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to 
> survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood 
> or metal frame backpacks.
> Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed 
> by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
> The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men 
> like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the 
> wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy packs.
> They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to 
> carry such heavy packs.
> That was the beginning of the? "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
> Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"? 
> like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce, 
> etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like 
> to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
> They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized 
> way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.
> 
> And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking"? as seen 
> through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.
> 
> It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily 
> respond to the above.
> 
> A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute 
> truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other 
> true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
> 
> I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my? "Lurker 
> Bunker"? for I hear the distant thunder of the
> "Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the 
> absolute truth of this history lesson.
> 
> Hope to see you all on the trail someday.
> 
> JMT Reinhold
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:37:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
> To: "jimniedbalski at aol.com" <jimniedbalski at aol.com>,
>    "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> ?
> Makes me wish I'd gone?to a?buisness college and work towards being a CEO of a hiking organization.? I'd love to make that kind of dough, plus work with hiking trails, the community and fellow hikers I'd do it for less.
> ?
> ?
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "jimniedbalski at aol.com" <jimniedbalski at aol.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net 
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:40 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
> 
> 
> Not to feed either side of the fire, but here are some stats to think about to add context to the question, all from Charity Navigator:
> 
> Appalachian Mountain Club (New England and mid-Atlantic states, based in Boston), Executive director/president salary, $278,000; salary's percentage of expenses, 1.52 percent; organization's revenue, $20.8 million.
> American Hiking Society, $110,000; 9.35 %; $1.1 million;
> Appalachian Trail Conservancy, $114,000; 2.41 %; $4.9 million;
> Green Mountain Club (Vermont), $80,000; 5.07 %; $1.7 million;
> PCTA, $99,000; 5.82 %; $1.7 million.
> 
> Make of this what you will.
> For what it's worth, I think the difference between the ED salary and the other paid empIoyee salaries also should be considered.
> 
> Jim
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:37:19 -0800
> From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post Offices
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> Amiratti's in Castella definitely holds packages, I sent mine there. Or you
> could just hitch into Mt. Shasta, which is a really cool town (or do both,
> like me!). Spent a day here with a group of hikers. I wouldn't worry about
> Old Station, most of the people I hiked with didn't have boxes here, and
> the one that did left without it (had it forwarded, PO there has funky
> hours). Send it to Drakesbad or just hitch in to Burney. Despite all the
> nay saying about the hitch into that town, it's really not bad. Got a ride
> in minutes (all of us did, 7+ hikers going in pairs). As far as Stehekin
> goes, if the PO closes hikers are going to have to start taking the ferry
> into Chelan, which could be a cool adventure anyhow. So there will still be
> supplies to be had, no one will be screwed, and thus no one should be
> freaking out.
> 
> --Rattler
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:00 AM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>  1. Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago (Scott)
>>  2. Re: ED compensation (Andy Johnson)
>>  3. Re: ED compensation (Charles Doersch)
>>  4. Re: ED compensation (Charles Williams)
>>  5. Re: Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago (Scott Williams)
>>  6. History of Backpacking (Reinhold Metzger)
>>  7. Re: PCTA Leadership (hiker97 at aol.com)
>>  8. Re: Hiker Trash Thanks (hiker97 at aol.com)
>>  9. Re: Post Offices (Cosmic Cat)
>> 10. HEY shroomer (John Casterline)
>> 11. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (Dennis Phelan)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:13:06 -0800
>> From: Scott <public at postholer.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <4ED28BC2.9000702 at postholer.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> 
>> Here's the snow depth for yesterday:
>> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20111126
>> 
>> ...and 1 year ago yesterday:
>> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20101126
>> 
>> -postholer
>> 
>> --
>> www.postholer.com
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:24:49 -0800
>> From: "Andy Johnson" <andyj92 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <F7703E6537814F91BE2CDC5C929F7CC1 at MARGIE>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>       reply-type=original
>> 
>> I think people should look at the value for money vs price alone.
>> 
>> Nobody complains about executive compensation of gear makers or their
>> distributers.
>> Nobody complains about compensation of rangers and SAR people who come out
>> to save those in trouble.
>> 
>> Look at the discussions about weight and best gear for the trail.
>> NONE of the lightweight and good stuff is cheap. Yet, somehow the money is
>> found to pay for saving 10 lbs on every step.
>> Look at the prices paid and money wasted for the food and stuff donated
>> along the trail.
>> You bought it. You didn't use it. You threw it away. Others came along and
>> said a silent "Thank You".
>> 
>> What value do you get from the association-? Is it worth what -you- are
>> paying-?
>> What changes would you suggest-?
>> 
>> When you complain about something add a suggestion on how to improve it.
>> Anyone can complain with scant facts and moral outrage. Get the facts and
>> learn more.
>> Then complain and offer a corrective idea.
>> Your statements will carry much more weight and you will be given more
>> attention.
>> 
>> If you ran the association what would you do differently-?
>> 
>> Personally, I like what they do and how they do it.
>> They have taken a very complex situation and made it simple and easy to
>> transit.
>> They have negotiated the rules and rights and protections so that everyone
>> knows what is expected of them.
>> The Rangers do not have to deal with many different people all asking the
>> same questions and arguing about it.
>> We all know where we need bear cannisters, where to find info on everything
>> we'll need...almost.
>> And what conditions are likely to be up the trail ahead of us.
>> 
>> That is a lot of work for the peanuts we pay as members.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:46:42 -0700
>> From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
>> To: Andy Johnson <andyj92 at aol.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>       <CADH_B_ghoY_nxpzveyXqMr2Dvyrr=6WLp=OekKYegxAJcGQkNg at mail.gmail.com
>>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> Andy, that's a cool way of thinking about it. I'd never thought of it that
>> way before.
>> 
>> For my part, I'm ready to renew with the PCTA, and gladly.
>> 
>> I did a heap of research -- comparing non-profit sector executive
>> compensation, with an eye to gross revenue and assets, and keeping the
>> comparison in "like enterprises" (organizations with a similar mission to
>> the PCTA). I also compared the Form 990s of all of the organizations that
>> showed up on the like enterprises list (Appalachian Trail Conservancy,
>> EcoLogic Development Fund, Grand Canyon Trust, Island Institute (Maine),
>> and others).
>> 
>> No question that the PCTA has some financial challenges -- and needs more
>> money. But executive compensation is not the problem. That pay is
>> comparable to the pay of comparable non-profit organizations. In some
>> important ways, we get more for the dollars we donate than do other
>> organizations. It is a complex picture, of course -- and one or two of the
>> board's financial decisions I wonder about. But that's always the case in
>> any organization.
>> 
>> All in all, three cheers for the PCTA.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Andy Johnson <andyj92 at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think people should look at the value for money vs price alone.
>>> 
>>> Nobody complains about executive compensation of gear makers or their
>>> distributers.
>>> Nobody complains about compensation of rangers and SAR people who come
>> out
>>> to save those in trouble.
>>> 
>>> Look at the discussions about weight and best gear for the trail.
>>> NONE of the lightweight and good stuff is cheap. Yet, somehow the money
>> is
>>> found to pay for saving 10 lbs on every step.
>>> Look at the prices paid and money wasted for the food and stuff donated
>>> along the trail.
>>> You bought it. You didn't use it. You threw it away. Others came along
>> and
>>> said a silent "Thank You".
>>> 
>>> What value do you get from the association-? Is it worth what -you- are
>>> paying-?
>>> What changes would you suggest-?
>>> 
>>> When you complain about something add a suggestion on how to improve it.
>>> Anyone can complain with scant facts and moral outrage. Get the facts and
>>> learn more.
>>> Then complain and offer a corrective idea.
>>> Your statements will carry much more weight and you will be given more
>>> attention.
>>> 
>>> If you ran the association what would you do differently-?
>>> 
>>> Personally, I like what they do and how they do it.
>>> They have taken a very complex situation and made it simple and easy to
>>> transit.
>>> They have negotiated the rules and rights and protections so that
>> everyone
>>> knows what is expected of them.
>>> The Rangers do not have to deal with many different people all asking the
>>> same questions and arguing about it.
>>> We all know where we need bear cannisters, where to find info on
>> everything
>>> we'll need...almost.
>>> And what conditions are likely to be up the trail ahead of us.
>>> 
>>> That is a lot of work for the peanuts we pay as members.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:20:37 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
>> To: Andy Johnson <andyj92 at aol.com>, Charles Doersch
>>       <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>       <1322446837.60396.YahooMailClassic at web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>> 
>> 
>> So, in short, we should all jump at the chance to renew our memberships,
>> even early if we can.
>> ?
>> But as the inspired, we can do more...call and email all our hiking
>> friends and convince them the PCTA needs?their?help to complete their
>> mission: to protect, preserve, and promote the Pacific Crest Trail!
>> ?
>> How can we set foot on the trail (for those of us that do) and not
>> appreciate the volunteerism that the PCTA coordinates?
>> ?
>> my two cents...
>> Charles Williams
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:41:53 -0800
>> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago
>> To: Scott <public at postholer.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>       <CAGxcj13D4QxVhu6oCiyNr=BC8B=wG+jH+yzXHbBL79dtXinUDQ at mail.gmail.com
>>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> Wow!  That's dramatic.  It's still early, but maybe we'll just have a
>> normal year this year.  At least I can hope.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Shroomer
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Scott <public at postholer.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Here's the snow depth for yesterday:
>>> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20111126
>>> 
>>> ...and 1 year ago yesterday:
>>> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20101126
>>> 
>>> -postholer
>>> 
>>> --
>>> www.postholer.com
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:32:46 -0800
>> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>,
>>       Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>, MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>,
>>       scott williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>, Acu4harmony at aol.com
>> Message-ID: <4ED3634E.5010301 at cox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> 
>> To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know
>> much about history.
>> Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some)  on the
>> history of backpacking.
>> 
>> Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the
>> history of man, to see the parallels.
>> 
>> Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
>> hunters/gatherers.
>> They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to
>> the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
>> 
>> The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
>> beer and the invention of the wheel.
>> The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
>> These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the
>> catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
>> 1. Liberals
>> 2. Conservatives
>> 
>> Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of
>> agriculture.
>> Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
>> So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be
>> invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages
>> were formed.
>> 
>> Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night
>> while they were drinking beer.
>> This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
>> 
>> Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of
>> the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the
>> sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
>> This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
>> 
>> Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known
>> as girlie-men.
>> Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
>> the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
>> democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the
>> conservatives provided.
>> 
>> Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest,
>> most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
>> Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
>> 
>> Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
>> white wine or imported bottled water.
>> They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
>> Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
>> Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
>> higher testosterone levels than their men.
>> Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in
>> Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
>> Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to
>> make the pitcher also bat.
>> 
>> Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
>> They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
>> Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,
>> construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers,
>> engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military,
>> airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
>> Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to
>> work for a living.
>> 
>> Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers
>> and decide what to do with the production.
>> Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
>> That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were
>> coming to America.
>> They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
>> trying to get more for nothing.
>> 
>> Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold
>> that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to
>> survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood
>> or metal frame backpacks.
>> Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed
>> by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
>> The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men
>> like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the
>> wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy
>> packs.
>> They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to
>> carry such heavy packs.
>> That was the beginning of the  "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
>> Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"
>> like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce,
>> etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like
>> to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
>> They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized
>> way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.
>> 
>> And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking"  as seen
>> through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.
>> 
>> It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily
>> respond to the above.
>> 
>> A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute
>> truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other
>> true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
>> 
>> I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my  "Lurker
>> Bunker"  for I hear the distant thunder of the
>> "Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the
>> absolute truth of this history lesson.
>> 
>> Hope to see you all on the trail someday.
>> 
>> JMT Reinhold
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:33:01 -0500 (EST)
>> From: hiker97 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Leadership
>> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, MThiel at marcusmillichap.com
>> Message-ID: <8CE7BE96240EA5E-1D24-7925D at webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> 
>> JMT Super Senior Reinhold writes: You make me laugh....."I  CANNOT  BE
>> BRIBED".....this is so funny!!!
>> You are just like  "Sgt. Schultz"  in "Hogans Heros".  One candy bar got
>> Hogan everything he wanted from  "Schultz"....in your case it's a Snickers
>> Bar.  Well, in any case, if you refuse the nomination, I withdraw my
>> nomination.
>> My plan will not work without you as the treasurer.  This is sad news for
>> the PCTA.
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> Switchback replies: That is a good point.  But I like ProBars and Laura
>> Bars like Scott.  Us professional hikers only do organic and super power
>> foods.  Snickers bars are for the rookies.  And Snow Bunnies like you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:42:03 -0500 (EST)
>> From: hiker97 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker Trash Thanks
>> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net,
>>       baidarker at gmail.com
>> Message-ID: <8CE7BEAA553B5AE-1D24-7953B at webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> 
>> JMT Super Senior Reinhold writes:  Shroomer, although we also have a few
>> "Looney Birds" on this list.
>> You may be old, but not nearly as old as Switchback and I. You may be
>> impressed by the Internet but hey, I'm so old, I'm still impressed by
>> running water. As far as us being a rare bunch, you can say that
>> again.....you only need to look at Switchback to realize that that is
>> so....he is rare....very rare.
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Switchback replies: Boy, this must be cabin fever time on the PCT-L.  But
>> I must admit us old timers who broke PCT trail for others, like the Class
>> of 1974, are a rare breed of mountainmen.  I go back so far that I remember
>> the "Ice Man" bringing a block of ice to my grandmother's "ice box" in her
>> kitchen.  There was an iron horse pole and ring in the front of the house
>> to tie your horse to when you came to visit.  Yes, us PCT mountainmen are
>> the real thing, not uber light wimpy techies.
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:19:08 -0700
>> From: Cosmic Cat <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post Offices
>> To: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Eli Conlee <elijahconlee at gmail.com>
>> Message-ID:
>>       <CAJYyuKcmjHDAnkn_xYJzXhD05Eghu1oupXu4S=qT-FXhGnmVgg at mail.gmail.com
>>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> Out of all of those, I find stehekin to be the most worrisome.
>> 
>> Amiratti's might be able to hold packages at Castella. They seemed pretty
>> hiker friendly to me.
>> 
>> Old Station could be skipped by sending a
>> On Nov 26, 2011 2:49 AM, "Jackie McDonnell" <yogihikes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This site shows the PO's which could potentially be closed:
>>> 
>>> http://about.usps.com/news/**electronic-press-kits/**
>>> expandedaccess/statelist.htm<
>>> 
>> http://about.usps.com/news/electronic-press-kits/expandedaccess/statelist.htm
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> The PCT towns affected are:
>>> 
>>> Stehekin WA
>>> Old Station CA
>>> Castella CA
>>> 
>>> Yogi
>>> www.pcthandbook.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Eli Conlee <elijahconlee at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This is my first time on here and I'm planning a thru-hike for 2012,
>> so I
>>>> am certain that it will not be my last. But one question I haven't been
>>>> able to track down an answer to is this:
>>>> 
>>>> With all of the budget cuts in the US Postal Service, does anyone know
>>> how
>>>> and/or if this will affect any of the PO's that I'll be using as a
>>>> thru-hiker?
>>>> 
>>>> Or if you know where to find that sort of information...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks. Looking forward to becoming part of the hallowed crew of PCT
>>> folks.
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:55:07 -0500
>> From: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] HEY shroomer
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>       <CALyRfOLW4HwhLTXryDmL5WKxV6ypPjU4VHq1q-zvygC6TQkmAw at mail.gmail.com
>>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> I think all hikers and especially shoomer will get a kick out of the link
>> below re mushrooms.
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html
>> 
>> 3C
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:41:00 -0800
>> From: Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
>> To: jimniedbalski at aol.com
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>       <CAE1UnwR0r6ifYUo3PMSdiQK=9sdyugcf2LhfBUxy_t0iVbAqoA at mail.gmail.com
>>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> The only problem I see is that PCTA is short on revenue.  We need to do
>> something about that and put our money where our hearts are and ramp up our
>> giving.
>> 
>> Dennis Phelan
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM, <jimniedbalski at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Not to feed either side of the fire, but here are some stats to think
>>> about to add context to the question, all from Charity Navigator:
>>> 
>>> Appalachian Mountain Club (New England and mid-Atlantic states, based in
>>> Boston), Executive director/president salary, $278,000; salary's
>> percentage
>>> of expenses, 1.52 percent; organization's revenue, $20.8 million.
>>> American Hiking Society, $110,000; 9.35 %; $1.1 million;
>>> Appalachian Trail Conservancy, $114,000; 2.41 %; $4.9 million;
>>> Green Mountain Club (Vermont), $80,000; 5.07 %; $1.7 million;
>>> PCTA, $99,000; 5.82 %; $1.7 million.
>>> 
>>> Make of this what you will.
>>> For what it's worth, I think the difference between the ED salary and the
>>> other paid empIoyee salaries also should be considered.
>>> 
>>> Jim
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>> *************************************
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:43:54 -0600
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>,    andrea williams
>    <andrea.l.williams at gmail.com>,    scott williamson
>    <duckface99 at gmail.com>,    Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>,
>    "Acu4harmony at aol.com" <Acu4harmony at aol.com>,    MONTE DODGE
>    <montedodge at msn.com>,    "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>, PCT
>    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>    <CACK6q3FQ=HWrxmFMCOaaGwKkSGQrzCFOmhAUMoMtL00Wh1_d5g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I agree with Shon.
> 
> Reinhold is a dirty old man who gets his kicks by posting messages to the
> list which are any combination of:  sexually inappropriate, mean spirited,
> antagonistic, and which have nothing to do with the PCT or backpacking.
> 
> I have complained about Reinhold to the list administrator.  I was
> basically told "that's just Reinhold.  He's a nice guy in person.  If you
> don't like it, then block his emails."  What a load of crap.  And FYI, yes,
> I've met him many times.  He's a creep.
> 
> I'm not the first person to complain about Reinhold, and I'm not the last.
> After I complained, I was put on moderated status, and my posts to the
> list did not go through until the administrator reviewed them first.  I
> suspect after this email, that will happen again.
> 
> I have blocked his emails.  But blocking Reinhold does not block those
> messages posted in response to Reinhold.
> 
> Reinhold has hiked a lot had held the JMT record for many years.  Maybe
> that's why his crap is tolerated here.  It's unacceptable.  He should be
> removed from the list.
> 
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> This diatribe contributes not one single helpful piece of information to
>> the backpacking community and effectively puts down not only liberals but
>> all people who are not named JMT Reinhold and Switchback by calling them
>> wimpy and wusses.  Screw you!
>> 
>> Could whom ever monitors this blog please block all entries by this nasty
>> blogger JMT Reinhold.  It is mean spirited and has no place here on this
>> site (or I have no place or desire to be apart of this site).
>> 
>> Shon McGanty
>> 
>> (And JMT Reinhold, don't try calling be a liberal or a wimp becasue I'm
>> writing to complain, that's all to easy and predictable.  If you  want to
>> connect me personally off site at smcganty at yahoo.com, I'd love to have a
>> few words with you).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>;
>> Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; scott
>> williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>; Acu4harmony at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:32 AM
>> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
>> 
>> To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know
>> much about history.
>> Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some)  on the
>> history of backpacking.
>> 
>> Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the
>> history of man, to see the parallels.
>> 
>> Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
>> hunters/gatherers.
>> They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to
>> the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
>> 
>> The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
>> beer and the invention of the wheel.
>> The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
>> These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the
>> catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
>> 1. Liberals
>> 2. Conservatives
>> 
>> Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of
>> agriculture.
>> Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
>> So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be
>> invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages
>> were formed.
>> 
>> Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night
>> while they were drinking beer.
>> This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
>> 
>> Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of
>> the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the
>> sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
>> This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
>> 
>> Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known
>> as girlie-men.
>> Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
>> the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
>> democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the
>> conservatives provided.
>> 
>> Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest,
>> most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
>> Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
>> 
>> Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
>> white wine or imported bottled water.
>> They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
>> Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
>> Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
>> higher testosterone levels than their men.
>> Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in
>> Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
>> Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to
>> make the pitcher also bat.
>> 
>> Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
>> They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
>> Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,
>> construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers,
>> engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military,
>> airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
>> Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to
>> work for a living.
>> 
>> Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers
>> and decide what to do with the production.
>> Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
>> That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were
>> coming to America.
>> They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
>> trying to get more for nothing.
>> 
>> Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold
>> that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to
>> survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood
>> or metal frame backpacks.
>> Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed
>> by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
>> The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men
>> like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the
>> wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy
>> packs.
>> They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to
>> carry such heavy packs.
>> That was the beginning of the  "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
>> Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"
>> like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce,
>> etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like
>> to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
>> They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized
>> way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.
>> 
>> And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking"  as seen
>> through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.
>> 
>> It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily
>> respond to the above.
>> 
>> A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute
>> truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other
>> true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
>> 
>> I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my  "Lurker
>> Bunker"  for I hear the distant thunder of the
>> "Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the
>> absolute truth of this history lesson.
>> 
>> Hope to see you all on the trail someday.
>> 
>> JMT Reinhold
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:44:31 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
> To: "shon mcganty" <smcganty at yahoo.com>, <jimniedbalski at aol.com>,
>    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <092A49648B134CB7A45AA58F8827C0DC at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> You might start working for one of the organizations even as a volunteer. 
> Thinking in the headquarters business office.  Get a feel for what's going 
> on and what training is needed to move up in the organization.  And then 
> make a career plan.  Don't shy away from looking for advancement 
> opportunities in related organizations.  Folks do move around for promotions 
> or new opportunities; its not frowned upon.  I'm a member of an 
> environmental group and one of our best folks just gave his notice to move 
> onward and upward.  We wish him the best and have started looking for his 
> replacement.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "shon mcganty" <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> To: <jimniedbalski at aol.com>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
> 
> 
> 
> Makes me wish I'd gone to a buisness college and work towards being a CEO of 
> a hiking organization. I'd love to make that kind of dough, plus work with 
> hiking trails, the community and fellow hikers I'd do it for less.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "jimniedbalski at aol.com" <jimniedbalski at aol.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:40 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
> 
> 
> Not to feed either side of the fire, but here are some stats to think about 
> to add context to the question, all from Charity Navigator:
> 
> Appalachian Mountain Club (New England and mid-Atlantic states, based in 
> Boston), Executive director/president salary, $278,000; salary's percentage 
> of expenses, 1.52 percent; organization's revenue, $20.8 million.
> American Hiking Society, $110,000; 9.35 %; $1.1 million;
> Appalachian Trail Conservancy, $114,000; 2.41 %; $4.9 million;
> Green Mountain Club (Vermont), $80,000; 5.07 %; $1.7 million;
> PCTA, $99,000; 5.82 %; $1.7 million.
> 
> Make of this what you will.
> For what it's worth, I think the difference between the ED salary and the 
> other paid empIoyee salaries also should be considered.
> 
> Jim
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:11:09 -0800
> From: "JoAnn" <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] ED compensation
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <6B645AC206B049528A4EE8C04FA63E28 at JoAnnPC>
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> 
> But as the inspired, we can do more...call and email all our hiking friends and convince them the PCTA needs?their?help to complete their mission: to protect, preserve, and promote the Pacific Crest Trail!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> My question for some years now is, how big do we want to become. When I first started with the Association there were two paid employees. Now there are 18 (or at least that?s what I once read). The main theme of the Association over the last 10 years has been ? we need more money. I am not necessarily criticizing present management, but truly wanting to know when is enough? Will we always now be an organization that states we always need more money? At what point does furthering?s WHAT we do vs. just give us more money? Yes, due to inflation ?more? to some extend will be understandable, and buying more property is an on going process...so is the dye cast? The main purposes of the agency is to raise money? I don?t like that. I?d rather there be another issue of the Communicator; clinics; instructional meetings, etc. I?d like to get more from the agency; then I?d be talking a different tune and even donate in additiona to my membership fees. I do not have that tendency when 90%
>  of what we hear from the Association is we need more money? Will ?the mission? ever be complete?
> 
> are we there yet
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:17:39 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4ED3DE53.50902 at scottbryce.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> On 11/28/2011 11:25 AM, shon mcganty wrote:
>> Could whom ever monitors this blog please block all entries by this
>> nasty blogger JMT Reinhold.
> 
> Message filters are your friend. Since few people respond to him, I
> seldom see his posts.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:21:56 -0800
> From: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
> To: Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com>, jimniedbalski at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I realize not all can do it but when I pay my $35 dues I just pop it up to an even $100.  Just about the price of one day admission to an amusement park.  If only 50% could/would do this.......it is within our ability to do this.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> 
> Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> The only problem I see is that PCTA is short on revenue.  We need to do
>> something about that and put our money where our hearts are and ramp up our
>> giving.
>> 
>> Dennis Phelan
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM, <jimniedbalski at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Not to feed either side of the fire, but here are some stats to think
>>> about to add context to the question, all from Charity Navigator:
>>> 
>>> Appalachian Mountain Club (New England and mid-Atlantic states, based in
>>> Boston), Executive director/president salary, $278,000; salary's percentage
>>> of expenses, 1.52 percent; organization's revenue, $20.8 million.
>>> American Hiking Society, $110,000; 9.35 %; $1.1 million;
>>> Appalachian Trail Conservancy, $114,000; 2.41 %; $4.9 million;
>>> Green Mountain Club (Vermont), $80,000; 5.07 %; $1.7 million;
>>> PCTA, $99,000; 5.82 %; $1.7 million.
>>> 
>>> Make of this what you will.
>>> For what it's worth, I think the difference between the ED salary and the
>>> other paid empIoyee salaries also should be considered.
>>> 
>>> Jim
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:45:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l]  History of Backpacking
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>> Reinhold... ...posting messages to the list which are any combination of: 
>> sexually inappropriate, mean spirited, antagonistic, and which have nothing 
>> to do with the PCT or backpacking.
>> ...
>> I'm not the first person to complain about Reinhold, and I'm not the last.
>> ...
>> It's unacceptable. He should be removed from the list.
> 
> I wholeheartedly agree with Shon and Yogi!
> If there was a vote to remove him from the list, mine would be "Aye"...
> 
> I do not receive list emails/digests, but 'browse' the current month's archive...
> In doing so I bypass certain specific posters or topics in the process - but 
> when some others 'reply' to those postings, I sometimes take a peek to see what's 
> going on (or 'down' in this case)...
> Many times I feel sorry for those people seeking PCT information on the pct-l in
> having to put up with certain posters and their mostly off-topic "diatribe" or to 
> receive a 'joke' as a response to what would be considered an important question...
> Enough said!
> 
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA) Payne
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:45:37 -0800
> From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: <enyapjr at comcast.net>,    "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <C218F7A5241A4079AEB52F9AC57D6DDE at RonPC>
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> 
> Perhaps it is time to take another look at whether these posts are 
> appropriate or not.  We, in the normal course of discussion, find ourselves 
> in enough minor conflicts of opinion as to whether to filter or not, to 
> carry a stove or not, etc. that we certainly don't need to post anything 
> that could be considered a personal attack on an individual's beliefs.  At 
> times the exchanges appear to be between two individuals only and with out 
> relevance to the others reading (or lurking) the list so it might be more 
> appropriate to take their private discussions to another format - ie 
> personal e-mail.
> 
> I know that Brick doesn't want this to become a political forum and allows a 
> certain amount of dissention  between posters, but there comes a point when 
> one must ask "What does this really have to do with the PCT, the PCTA, 
> hiking. etc.
> 
> Just my thoughts.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: pct-l
> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> 
>> Reinhold... ...posting messages to the list which are any combination of:
>> sexually inappropriate, mean spirited, antagonistic, and which have 
>> nothing
>> to do with the PCT or backpacking.
>> ...
>> I'm not the first person to complain about Reinhold, and I'm not the last.
>> ...
>> It's unacceptable. He should be removed from the list.
> 
> I wholeheartedly agree with Shon and Yogi!
> If there was a vote to remove him from the list, mine would be "Aye"...
> 
> I do not receive list emails/digests, but 'browse' the current month's 
> archive...
> In doing so I bypass certain specific posters or topics in the process - but
> when some others 'reply' to those postings, I sometimes take a peek to see 
> what's
> going on (or 'down' in this case)...
> Many times I feel sorry for those people seeking PCT information on the 
> pct-l in
> having to put up with certain posters and their mostly off-topic "diatribe" 
> or to
> receive a 'joke' as a response to what would be considered an important 
> question...
> Enough said!
> 
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA) Payne
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:56:56 -0800 (PST)
> From: Hikes and Bikes <hikingis4me2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT-L Backcountry <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I'm not trying to make excuses for Reinhold, but perhaps he has social issues. ?Case in point. ?At the kick off this year I'm sitting at a picnic table in the middle of the bench. ?The people on either side of me have left. ?Switchback comes over and sits to the left of me, and Reinhold then squeezes himself between the two of us. ?Reinhold certainly could have asked me to move over; apparently I was supposed to know that he wanted to sit next to Switchback.
> 
> Lost and Found
> ?
> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, Guinness in one hand, steak in the other, yell 'Holy Sh**, What a Ride!"
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> To: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; andrea williams <andrea.l.williams at gmail.com>; scott williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>; Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>; "Acu4harmony at aol.com" <Acu4harmony at aol.com>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>; PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net> 
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> 
> I agree with Shon.
> 
> Reinhold is a dirty old man who gets his kicks by posting messages to the
> list which are any combination of:? sexually inappropriate, mean spirited,
> antagonistic, and which have nothing to do with the PCT or backpacking.
> 
> I have complained about Reinhold to the list administrator.? I was
> basically told "that's just Reinhold.? He's a nice guy in person.? If you
> don't like it, then block his emails."? What a load of crap.? And FYI, yes,
> I've met him many times.? He's a creep.
> 
> I'm not the first person to complain about Reinhold, and I'm not the last.
> After I complained, I was put on moderated status, and my posts to the
> list did not go through until the administrator reviewed them first.? I
> suspect after this email, that will happen again.
> 
> I have blocked his emails.? But blocking Reinhold does not block those
> messages posted in response to Reinhold.
> 
> Reinhold has hiked a lot had held the JMT record for many years.? Maybe
> that's why his crap is tolerated here.? It's unacceptable.? He should be
> removed from the list.
> 
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> This diatribe contributes not one single helpful piece of information to
>> the backpacking community and effectively puts down not only liberals but
>> all people who are not named JMT Reinhold and Switchback by calling them
>> wimpy and wusses.? Screw you!
>> 
>> Could whom ever monitors this blog please block all entries by this nasty
>> blogger JMT Reinhold.? It is mean spirited and has no place here on this
>> site (or I have no place or desire to be apart of this site).
>> 
>> Shon McGanty
>> 
>> (And JMT Reinhold, don't try calling be a liberal or a wimp becasue I'm
>> writing to complain, that's all to easy and predictable.? If you? want to
>> connect me personally off site at smcganty at yahoo.com, I'd love to have a
>> few words with you).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>;
>> Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; scott
>> williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>; Acu4harmony at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:32 AM
>> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
>> 
>> To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know
>> much about history.
>> Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some)? on the
>> history of backpacking.
>> 
>> Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the
>> history of man, to see the parallels.
>> 
>> Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
>> hunters/gatherers.
>> They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to
>> the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
>> 
>> The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
>> beer and the invention of the wheel.
>> The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
>> These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the
>> catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
>> 1. Liberals
>> 2. Conservatives
>> 
>> Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of
>> agriculture.
>> Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
>> So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be
>> invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages
>> were formed.
>> 
>> Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night
>> while they were drinking beer.
>> This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
>> 
>> Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of
>> the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the
>> sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
>> This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
>> 
>> Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known
>> as girlie-men.
>> Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
>> the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
>> democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the
>> conservatives provided.
>> 
>> Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest,
>> most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
>> Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
>> 
>> Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
>> white wine or imported bottled water.
>> They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
>> Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
>> Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
>> higher testosterone levels than their men.
>> Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in
>> Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
>> Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to
>> make the pitcher also bat.
>> 
>> Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
>> They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
>> Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,
>> construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers,
>> engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military,
>> airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
>> Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to
>> work for a living.
>> 
>> Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers
>> and decide what to do with the production.
>> Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
>> That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were
>> coming to America.
>> They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
>> trying to get more for nothing.
>> 
>> Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold
>> that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to
>> survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood
>> or metal frame backpacks.
>> Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed
>> by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
>> The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men
>> like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the
>> wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy
>> packs.
>> They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to
>> carry such heavy packs.
>> That was the beginning of the? "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
>> Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"
>> like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce,
>> etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like
>> to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
>> They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized
>> way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.
>> 
>> And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking"? as seen
>> through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.
>> 
>> It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily
>> respond to the above.
>> 
>> A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute
>> truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other
>> true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
>> 
>> I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my? "Lurker
>> Bunker"? for I hear the distant thunder of the
>> "Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the
>> absolute truth of this history lesson.
>> 
>> Hope to see you all on the trail someday.
>> 
>> JMT Reinhold
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:06:51 -0600
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: Hikes and Bikes <hikingis4me2 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT-L Backcountry <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Lost and Found -
> 
> I don't know you, but I suspect you are an attractive female.  By squeezing
> between you and Switchback, Reinhold was able to get closer to you than is
> acceptable.  You didn't have a choice - he decided to slime up next to you,
> so he did.  It had nothing to do with Switchback.  It was all about
> Reinhold being inappropriate and getting away with it.
> 
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Hikes and Bikes <hikingis4me2 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>> I'm not trying to make excuses for Reinhold, but perhaps he has social
>> issues.  Case in point.  At the kick off this year I'm sitting at a picnic
>> table in the middle of the bench.  The people on either side of me have
>> left.  Switchback comes over and sits to the left of me, and Reinhold then
>> squeezes himself between the two of us.  Reinhold certainly could have
>> asked me to move over; apparently I was supposed to know that he wanted to
>> sit next to Switchback.
>> 
>> Lost and Found
>> 
>> "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
>> in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
>> thoroughly used up, totally worn out, Guinness in one hand, steak in the
>> other, yell 'Holy Sh**, What a Ride!"
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
>> *To:* shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; andrea williams <
>> andrea.l.williams at gmail.com>; scott williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>;
>> Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>; "Acu4harmony at aol.com" <
>> Acu4harmony at aol.com>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; "Hiker97 at aol.com"
>> <Hiker97 at aol.com>; PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2011 10:43 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
>> 
>> I agree with Shon.
>> 
>> Reinhold is a dirty old man who gets his kicks by posting messages to the
>> list which are any combination of:  sexually inappropriate, mean spirited,
>> antagonistic, and which have nothing to do with the PCT or backpacking.
>> 
>> I have complained about Reinhold to the list administrator.  I was
>> basically told "that's just Reinhold.  He's a nice guy in person.  If you
>> don't like it, then block his emails."  What a load of crap.  And FYI, yes,
>> I've met him many times.  He's a creep.
>> 
>> I'm not the first person to complain about Reinhold, and I'm not the last.
>> After I complained, I was put on moderated status, and my posts to the
>> list did not go through until the administrator reviewed them first.  I
>> suspect after this email, that will happen again.
>> 
>> I have blocked his emails.  But blocking Reinhold does not block those
>> messages posted in response to Reinhold.
>> 
>> Reinhold has hiked a lot had held the JMT record for many years.  Maybe
>> that's why his crap is tolerated here.  It's unacceptable.  He should be
>> removed from the list.
>> 
>> Yogi
>> www.pcthandbook.com
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This diatribe contributes not one single helpful piece of information to
>>> the backpacking community and effectively puts down not only liberals but
>>> all people who are not named JMT Reinhold and Switchback by calling them
>>> wimpy and wusses.  Screw you!
>>> 
>>> Could whom ever monitors this blog please block all entries by this nasty
>>> blogger JMT Reinhold.  It is mean spirited and has no place here on this
>>> site (or I have no place or desire to be apart of this site).
>>> 
>>> Shon McGanty
>>> 
>>> (And JMT Reinhold, don't try calling be a liberal or a wimp becasue I'm
>>> writing to complain, that's all to easy and predictable.  If you  want to
>>> connect me personally off site at smcganty at yahoo.com, I'd love to have a
>>> few words with you).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>;
>>> Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; scott
>>> williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>; Acu4harmony at aol.com
>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:32 AM
>>> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
>>> 
>>> To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know
>>> much about history.
>>> Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some)  on the
>>> history of backpacking.
>>> 
>>> Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the
>>> history of man, to see the parallels.
>>> 
>>> Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
>>> hunters/gatherers.
>>> They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to
>>> the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
>>> 
>>> The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
>>> beer and the invention of the wheel.
>>> The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
>>> These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the
>>> catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
>>> 1. Liberals
>>> 2. Conservatives
>>> 
>>> Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of
>>> agriculture.
>>> Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
>>> So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be
>>> invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages
>>> were formed.
>>> 
>>> Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night
>>> while they were drinking beer.
>>> This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
>>> 
>>> Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of
>>> the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the
>>> sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
>>> This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
>>> 
>>> Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known
>>> as girlie-men.
>>> Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
>>> the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
>>> democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the
>>> conservatives provided.
>>> 
>>> Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest,
>>> most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
>>> Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
>>> 
>>> Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
>>> white wine or imported bottled water.
>>> They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
>>> Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
>>> Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
>>> higher testosterone levels than their men.
>>> Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in
>>> Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
>>> Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to
>>> make the pitcher also bat.
>>> 
>>> Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
>>> They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
>>> Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,
>>> construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers,
>>> engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military,
>>> airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
>>> Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to
>>> work for a living.
>>> 
>>> Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers
>>> and decide what to do with the production.
>>> Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
>>> That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were
>>> coming to America.
>>> They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
>>> trying to get more for nothing.
>>> 
>>> Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold
>>> that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to
>>> survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood
>>> or metal frame backpacks.
>>> Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed
>>> by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
>>> The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men
>>> like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the
>>> wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy
>>> packs.
>>> They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to
>>> carry such heavy packs.
>>> That was the beginning of the  "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
>>> Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"
>>> like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce,
>>> etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like
>>> to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
>>> They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized
>>> way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.
>>> 
>>> And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking"  as seen
>>> through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.
>>> 
>>> It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily
>>> respond to the above.
>>> 
>>> A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute
>>> truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other
>>> true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
>>> 
>>> I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my  "Lurker
>>> Bunker"  for I hear the distant thunder of the
>>> "Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the
>>> absolute truth of this history lesson.
>>> 
>>> Hope to see you all on the trail someday.
>>> 
>>> JMT Reinhold
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:11:22 -0800
> From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
> To: JoAnn <jomike at cot.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> 
> I think my point is that the issue of executive compensation is really just
> a tree that obscures the forest of the professionalization of the PCTA
> as the Association  transitions away from being a primarily volunteer
> organization.
> 
> The biggest downside of this change from my perspective is the potential
> creation of a structural deficit given the supplemental funding the
> Association has received from the stimulus.  A structural deficit is
> what resulted here in California when the state received a windfall of
> temporary increased income during the technology boom.  The state used this
> income to fund permanent ongoing financial programs.  When the boom ended
> the financial commitments remained.  As a result, there is now a disconnect
> in California between what is spent and what is received that has yet to be
> resolved.
> 
> The original posting that started these threads showed the PCTA's spending
> on overhead as a percentage of income was quite good.  However, it's
> unclear to me that this chart includes the temporary stimulus funding
> received by the PCTA over the last couple of years.  Those funds have been
> used to fund in turn at least five two year positions that the PCTA
> describes as being temporary; at the same time the Association has been
> adding other positions such as outreach, etc so that the amount of overhead
> is clearly increasing separate and apart from the executive director's
> compensation.  The question is whether those positions are in fact truly
> temporary, or whether other funding sources or existing funding will be
> used to continue them.
> 
> As noted, Liz's background is in fund raising.  She is likable.  OK, at any
> rate I like her, and clearly a number of other members of this list do as
> well.  In a fund raiser, likability is an important and positive attribute
> and therefore opinions supporting her on that basis shouldn't be
> discounted.  Her salary as reported is really appropriate for the
> Sacramento area and her level of responsibility.  We should bear in mind
> that the PCTA also goes to DC once a year and interacts with various
> governmental entities.   Presenting well is important in a political
> environment.
> 
> The real issue for me is this: Does the increase in overhead through the
> increase in personnel costs, including office expenses, benefits and salary
> mean that the Associations future baseline expense year over year has been
> increased; possibly to such an extent that less funding is left for the
> trail itself and that residual funding is only available after the
> increased administrative expenses have been met?  If so, any decrease in
> funding in the future is going to be disproportionately borne by those
> funds left over for trail maintenance and improvements.  This is the larger
> issue as far as I'm concerned; that is, whether the PCTA will maintain
> control over it's funding priorities so that the percentage of it's income
> that is devoted to it's staffing doesn't begin  to offset the amount of the
> funding available for the trail itself.
> 
> Are these changes ones that are in effect a fait accompli?
> 
> If funding becomes principally driven by large donors what effect, if any,
> will that have?  If funding becomes dependent on government grants will the
> independence of the PCTA be compromised?
> 
> As a member driven organization I believe that these are all valid
> questions for the membership as a whole.  At the very least, the discussion
> is informative not only for members of the list, but also the PCTA.
> 
> Just few more thoughts.
> 
> Gourmet
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:25:22 -0800
> From: Hootie Martin <hootie2006 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  History of Backpacking
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> ChiefCowboy writes:
> Perhaps it is time to take another look at whether these posts are
> appropriate or not.  We, in the normal course of discussion, find ourselves
> in enough minor conflicts of opinion as to whether to filter or not, to
> carry a stove or not, etc. that we certainly don't need to post anything
> that could be considered a personal attack on an individual's beliefs.  At
> times the exchanges appear to be between two individuals only and with out
> relevance to the others reading (or lurking) the list so it might be more
> appropriate to take their private discussions to another format - ie
> personal e-mail.
> 
> I know that Brick doesn't want this to become a political forum and allows
> a
> certain amount of dissention  between posters, but there comes a point when
> one must ask "What does this really have to do with the PCT, the PCTA,
> hiking. etc.
> 
> 
> Chief, I wholeheartedly agree with you and others that have responded
> already.  I recall raising these same concerns years ago as it seems that
> often Switchback and JMTRhino post simply to see their words in print.
> 
> It seems to me that both of these guys are lonely old men that would rather
> use the forum as a chat board for their giggles rather than for sharing
> information that would be pertinent to the majority of the forum audience.
> 
> For years we have been subjected to the same old stuff from these guys.  I
> can understand that our moderator may not enjoy the effort that moderated
> status places on the list admin, but, with the number of complaints I see
> finally being raised, it would seem appropriate to finally take a stand
> with these guys.
> 
> It may be difficut but I can live without another after-action report of a
> overnight car-camping trip from Switchback or the sexist rambling of
> JMTRhino, but hey, I game to give it a try!
> 
> Elevator - PCT2006
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:51:18 -0800
> From: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> This isn't the first time the issue of inappropriate posts with these guys
> has come up here. Apparently folks who like to joke with one another about
> sexual, political and paramilitary issues are free and clear to post on the
> PCT-l without any one taking them to task... that is, the person in charge
> doesn't seem do anything about it. I grew up with people like this and
> because of the negativity they spread around I generally try to avoid them
> as much as possible. With a public forum it is hard to do, even if one
> filters their posts. If their posts had something helpful to say to
> members, other than themselves, the occasional off color joke would be easy
> enough to manage. But it looks to me that they are tolerated, kind of like
> that creepy old relative that most everyone has in the family. Complaining
> hasn't seemed to help in the past but maybe this time...?
> 
> -- 
> Shelly
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:26:00 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000001ccae25$17451c90$45cf55b0$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Cabin fever seems to be setting in early this year.
> 
> First we have the much ado about nothing dust-up around the level of
> compensation for the PCTA's Executive Director, and now yet another chorus
> about a few of our resident "characters", who - despite their usual
> self-serving trash talk - do on rare occasion have something salient to say
> that potential thru-hikers want or need to hear.
> 
> If you don't want to read their diatribes or consider their remarks
> offensive, try using the "block sender"  option on your email server.
> Unfortunately for me, Windows Outlook7 merely parks them in the "Deleted
> Items" folder rather than just bouncing them back to the sender or deleting
> them automatically. 
> 
> Back to planning for the holidays and then on to next year's hike........
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:28:53 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4ED41935.50900 at olc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I've complained before about the inappropriate content from a couple 
> members and have filtered their posts to land in my trash bin.  That 
> said, I wholly support blocking anyone from participating who 
> "repeatedly" offends list members.  One warning is enough.
> 
> This is not censorship.  This is a simple act of courtesy and good sense 
> that honors the vast majority of us.
> 
> Jeffrey Olson
> Martin, SD
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:40:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] When is the mission of the PCTA complete?
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Respectfully submitted for the consideration of the list.
> 
> In response to the poster who asked:? "Will the mission [of the PCTA] ever be complete?"
> 
> In a word:? no.
> 
>> From the PCTA web site under mission statement:
> 
> "The
> mission of the Pacific Crest Trail Association is to protect, preserve and
> promote the Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail as an internationally
> significant resource for the enjoyment of hikers and equestrians, and for the
> value that wild and scenic lands provide to all people."
> 
> Protection and preservation of the trail are an on going process - they're never "complete".
> 
> It takes a lot to maintain the trail (the preserve part of the mission statement).? It takes a lot of volunteer (and paid) time.? It takes a lot of money to properly train, equip and supply those paid and volunteer maintainers.? Some examples - it costs over 40 dollars a pop for helmets.? Our biggest volunteer day up here in Washington with the North 350 Blades (PCTA sponsored volunteer group around Snoqualmie Pass), we had over 20 volunteers out.? That's over 800 dollars of helmets alone.? Put a 50 plus dollar tool (or two - two tools per person is more typical, call it a Pulaski and shovel) in their hands.? There's another several thousand in tools.? Our brushing days - we had 2 power saws going (capital cost:? ~1500 bucks for the pair of saws and related safety equipment).? We'll burn through about 40 bucks a day in gasoline, oil and wear and tear on the saw blades when running 2 saws (we'll also clear 1/2 a mile of trail in that day - 3x to
> 5x what a same sized hand lopper crew can do).? It's not cheap to maintain the trail, although with volunteer labor the cost is incredibly low compared to paid crew.
> 
> Our volunteer group is meeting with the PCTA Regional Rep in a few days to talk support for next season.? Tops on our wish list is safety equipment and training.? We need Forest Service Radios so we can call in aid in the event of an accident (we've relied on cell phones so far - but are wanting to move further into the back country where they won't work - no radios, no back country projects, period).? We need more helmets.? We need gloves and safety glasses.? We need on going training - cross cut certifications, chain saw certifications, first aid and CPR certifications, plus the myriad other skills needed to maintain the trail.? As our volunteer base has grown, we're now short on tools (this is a nice problem to have - LOL) - we need more of them - shovels, grubbing tools, loppers, razor saws, etc
> 
> 
> So, as far as it seeming like the PCTA might be over emphasizing the fund raising aspects, I'd point out the following:? Without money, the volunteers will have no tools.? Without money, the volunteers will have no supplies.? Without money, the volunteers will have no safety equipment.? Without money, there would be no training events.? Without money, the volunteers have no horse support for deep into the back country / wilderness work parties.? And without those items, the volunteers simply can not maintain the trail.? 
> 
> 
> I'd add further - without money to fund the PCTA Regional Representatives & Trail Operations staff in Sacramento, the volunteers would be lacking leadership, uncoordinated with the USFS and each other, resulting in ineffective and wasted efforts at maintaining the trail.
> 
> 
> And all of that leads to this:? If the donors to the PCTA don't provide the necessary means, the work of preserving the trail simply won't get done.
> 
> 
> Barry
> PCT Mexico to Canada - 4/25-10/2/2006
> Trail Crew Volunteer - 2009 to date.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:49:35 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: "shelly skye" <shelbel26 at gmail.com>,    <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BB4EADD3DEED4740B0EAE2351F2E4C11 at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Other lists dump these sort of folks.. just sayin'
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "shelly skye" <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:51 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> 
> 
>> This isn't the first time the issue of inappropriate posts with these guys
>> has come up here. Apparently folks who like to joke with one another about
>> sexual, political and paramilitary issues are free and clear to post on 
>> the
>> PCT-l without any one taking them to task... that is, the person in charge
>> doesn't seem do anything about it. I grew up with people like this and
>> because of the negativity they spread around I generally try to avoid them
>> as much as possible. With a public forum it is hard to do, even if one
>> filters their posts. If their posts had something helpful to say to
>> members, other than themselves, the occasional off color joke would be 
>> easy
>> enough to manage. But it looks to me that they are tolerated, kind of like
>> that creepy old relative that most everyone has in the family. Complaining
>> hasn't seemed to help in the past but maybe this time...?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Shelly
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:50:33 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] HEY shroomer
> To: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Thanks John, I love TED talks and this one is fascinating. I just got back
> from a chanterelle hike, and it looks like another banner year in the East
> Bay hills.  Gourmet if you're listening, get on out and we'll get you some
> gourmet mushrooms for dinner.  We've had several great hits so far.
> 
> Paul Stamets is a fascinating guy, he's the person who wrote some of the
> earliest books on growing your own mushrooms, and specific books on
> Psilocybin mushrooms.  And he's written a book on what this talk is all
> about called,* Mycelium Running, How Mushrooms Can Help Save the World*,
> which I bought at a mushroom store in San Francisco.  I'm tellin' you,
> picking mushrooms on trail is just one way to help save this poor old
> planet.  I don't eat wild mushrooms on trail because I'm starved for
> veggies in the wilderness, or even because those $80 per lb porcini buttons
> we found under the lifts at Steven's Pass, are the most delicious thing
> you've ever tasted.  I do it to help save the world, and the folks who hike
> with me, those hungry, dirty, hiker trash masses, who will eat anything you
> put in front of them, even if they think it may kill them.
> 
> But don't do this at home folks as you really can kill yourself if you're
> not versed in it, and don't do it from pictures in books, as the colors can
> be off, or local variants different from your pictures.  If you're really
> interested, join a local mycological society and go on their forays.
> They're a bunch of mushroom geeks, much as we are a bunch of trail geeks,
> and like us, they love to teach others.  These are usually friendly folks
> and you'll get into some secret places with them. Or, find someone who
> really knows mushrooms and hang around and hike with them.  I was lucky
> enough to hike for years with the two time, past president of the SF
> Mycological Society, which I joined years ago.  One on one is the best way
> to learn.
> 
> My recommendation on the best book to buy if you're interested, is anything
> by David Aurora, probably the most important mushroomer in America.  His
> tome is *Mushrooms Demystified*, a wonderful, accurate and very funny
> compendium, but he has a field guide out, *All that the Rain Promises and
> More*, which is excellent too.  For the Western US, his stuff is the best.
> *
> *
> *Mushrooms Demystified* is the text book for my daughter Sarah's California
> Mushroom class this semester at Berkeley.   She had the gall to call me
> from her class mushroom foray, camping trip in Yosemite, two weeks ago and
> taunt me to guess who had just showed up at the campfire.  None other than
> David Aurora himself.  Damn these kids and their great college years.
> 
> Shroomer
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:55 AM, John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> I think all hikers and especially shoomer will get a kick out of the link
>> below re mushrooms.
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html
>> 
>> 3C
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> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:20:34 -0800
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Pika Stove system winning hiker
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <FBBBA1F7C738410789B4BD04326745A1 at S0029439031>
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> 
> Yikes, I hope the hikers don't jump me!  The winner of the Pika stove system 
> is Shon McG.  The 100,000th  hit came in this morning from Japan at 5:12am 
> during my morning coffee, and Shon is the closest by guessing 11/29 at 
> 10:47am.   The competition between entries was incredible, with guesses that 
> ranged from 11/20 to 2/09/12.  I've built most every do it yourself alcohol 
> stove system out there, and the Pika is the most fuel efficient and flexible 
> alcohol stove design I've found.   I'm sure Shon will carry his Pika stove 
> system (Pika stove, folding spoke stand, and windscreen) for many years into 
> the wilderness.  It was fun to share this momentous occasion with the PCT 
> family.
> Happy Trails
> Deems
> ~~~
> The beginning symptoms of cabin fever  . . .
> 
> Greg Hummel
> 
> "My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness."
>                                ? Dalai Lama XIV
> ~~~
> Subject: Free Pika Stove system to a winning hiker
> 
> The Pika Stove website is at 99,000 hits on 11/15.  I will build a Pika 
> alcohol solo
> stove system for the first PCT hiker that can tell me which day and time it
> will cross 100,000 hits. Only the first person closest to predicting the day
> and time will get a stove system.  Only the first entry per hiker will be
> accepted.  Entry submissions via my email will be accepted up to noon PST on
> 11/20.  No sales, the stove system you get will be built by me, and I
> rarely build any anymore.  Good luck, and happy hiking!
> http://users.sisqtel.net/losthiker/pikastove/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:33:30 -0800
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
> To: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4ED4447A.1090606 at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> At least part of the answer to your question on staff growth is on page 36 
> of 2010 Form 990. paraphasing
> 7 full-time and 2 seasonal to coordinate with government agencies on needed 
> trail work and oversee projects in the field. These are two-year positions.
> 
> So presumably, if the funding goes away, so do the employees.
> 
> Tortoise
> 
> <>  Because truth matters.<>
> 
> All content is copyrighted. Reproduction or use elsewhere is is expressly prohibited without the express permission of the author. Use within the PCT-list is permitted.
> 
> 
> On 2011.11.28 14:11, Timothy Nye wrote:
>> I think my point is that the issue of executive compensation is really just
>> a tree that obscures the forest of the professionalization of the PCTA
>> as the Association  transitions away from being a primarily volunteer
>> organization.
>> 
>> The biggest downside of this change from my perspective is the potential
>> creation of a structural deficit given the supplemental funding the
>> Association has received from the stimulus.  A structural deficit is
>> what resulted here in California when the state received a windfall of
>> temporary increased income during the technology boom.  The state used this
>> income to fund permanent ongoing financial programs.  When the boom ended
>> the financial commitments remained.  As a result, there is now a disconnect
>> in California between what is spent and what is received that has yet to be
>> resolved.
>> 
>> The original posting that started these threads showed the PCTA's spending
>> on overhead as a percentage of income was quite good.  However, it's
>> unclear to me that this chart includes the temporary stimulus funding
>> received by the PCTA over the last couple of years.  Those funds have been
>> used to fund in turn at least five two year positions that the PCTA
>> describes as being temporary; at the same time the Association has been
>> adding other positions such as outreach, etc so that the amount of overhead
>> is clearly increasing separate and apart from the executive director's
>> compensation.  The question is whether those positions are in fact truly
>> temporary, or whether other funding sources or existing funding will be
>> used to continue them.
>> 
>> As noted, Liz's background is in fund raising.  She is likable.  OK, at any
>> rate I like her, and clearly a number of other members of this list do as
>> well.  In a fund raiser, likability is an important and positive attribute
>> and therefore opinions supporting her on that basis shouldn't be
>> discounted.  Her salary as reported is really appropriate for the
>> Sacramento area and her level of responsibility.  We should bear in mind
>> that the PCTA also goes to DC once a year and interacts with various
>> governmental entities.   Presenting well is important in a political
>> environment.
>> 
>> The real issue for me is this: Does the increase in overhead through the
>> increase in personnel costs, including office expenses, benefits and salary
>> mean that the Associations future baseline expense year over year has been
>> increased; possibly to such an extent that less funding is left for the
>> trail itself and that residual funding is only available after the
>> increased administrative expenses have been met?  If so, any decrease in
>> funding in the future is going to be disproportionately borne by those
>> funds left over for trail maintenance and improvements.  This is the larger
>> issue as far as I'm concerned; that is, whether the PCTA will maintain
>> control over it's funding priorities so that the percentage of it's income
>> that is devoted to it's staffing doesn't begin  to offset the amount of the
>> funding available for the trail itself.
>> 
>> Are these changes ones that are in effect a fait accompli?
>> 
>> If funding becomes principally driven by large donors what effect, if any,
>> will that have?  If funding becomes dependent on government grants will the
>> independence of the PCTA be compromised?
>> 
>> As a member driven organization I believe that these are all valid
>> questions for the membership as a whole.  At the very least, the discussion
>> is informative not only for members of the list, but also the PCTA.
>> 
>> Just few more thoughts.
>> 
>> Gourmet
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 4:40:42 +0000
> From: <gschenk1 at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
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> shon,
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> Your email client probably has a method of filtering addresses. Do what I do and include Rheinhold and Switchback. It's easy to do.
> 
> Gary
> 
> ---- shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>> ?
>> ?
>> This diatribe contributes not one single helpful piece of information to the backpacking community and effectively puts down not only liberals but all people who are not named JMT Reinhold and Switchback by calling them wimpy and wusses.? Screw you!
>> ?
>> Could whom ever monitors this blog please block all entries by this nasty blogger JMT Reinhold.? It is?mean spirited and has no place here on this site (or I have no place or desire to be apart of this site).
>> ?
>> Shon McGanty
>> ?
>> (And JMT Reinhold, don't try calling be a liberal or a wimp becasue I'm writing to complain, that's all to easy and predictable.? If you? want to connect me personally off site at smcganty at yahoo.com, I'd love to have a few words with you).
>> ?
>> ?
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>; Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>; scott williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>; Acu4harmony at aol.com 
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:32 AM
>> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
>> 
>> To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know 
>> much about history.
>> Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some)? on the 
>> history of backpacking.
>> 
>> Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the 
>> history of man, to see the parallels.
>> 
>> Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic 
>> hunters/gatherers.
>> They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to 
>> the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
>> 
>> The two most important events in all of history were the invention of 
>> beer and the invention of the wheel.
>> The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
>> These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the 
>> catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
>> 1. Liberals
>> 2. Conservatives
>> 
>> Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of 
>> agriculture.
>> Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
>> So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be 
>> invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages 
>> were formed.
>> 
>> Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night 
>> while they were drinking beer.
>> This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
>> 
>> Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of 
>> the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the 
>> sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
>> This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
>> 
>> Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known 
>> as girlie-men.
>> Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, 
>> the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of 
>> democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the 
>> conservatives provided.
>> 
>> Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest, 
>> most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
>> Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
>> 
>> Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer 
>> white wine or imported bottled water.
>> They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
>> Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
>> Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have 
>> higher testosterone levels than their men.
>> Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in 
>> Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
>> Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to 
>> make the pitcher also bat.
>> 
>> Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
>> They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
>> Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, 
>> construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, 
>> engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, 
>> airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
>> Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to 
>> work for a living.
>> 
>> Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers 
>> and decide what to do with the production.
>> Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
>> That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were 
>> coming to America.
>> They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of 
>> trying to get more for nothing.
>> 
>> Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold 
>> that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to 
>> survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood 
>> or metal frame backpacks.
>> Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed 
>> by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
>> The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men 
>> like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the 
>> wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy packs.
>> They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to 
>> carry such heavy packs.
>> That was the beginning of the? "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
>> Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"? 
>> like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce, 
>> etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like 
>> to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
>> They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized 
>> way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.
>> 
>> And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking"? as seen 
>> through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.
>> 
>> It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily 
>> respond to the above.
>> 
>> A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute 
>> truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other 
>> true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
>> 
>> I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my? "Lurker 
>> Bunker"? for I hear the distant thunder of the
>> "Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the 
>> absolute truth of this history lesson.
>> 
>> Hope to see you all on the trail someday.
>> 
>> JMT Reinhold
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