[pct-l] Carrying weapons

[Jim & Jane Moody]

Shroomer, 

In all seriousness, one angle on carrying a gun that I haven't seen discussed on the pct-list (but have seen on Whiteblaze.net) is that in any kind of tense situation, once a gun is pulled out, that situation isn't going to be resolved by talking it out and everybody calming down.  Once a gun is pulled out, you're likely to push the tension up so that the gun gets fired, with bad consequences for at least two people. 



Also, on the PCT, if you run into drug traffickers, they're guaranteed to have more firepower than you'll have, and much less reservation about blowing you away if you pull out a pis tol. 



All in all, no good reason to carry a gun.  And lots of good re asons not to.   


Mango 



P.S. Do you want the squirrel shot in the left eye or the right eye? 


----- Original Message -----


From: "Scott Williams" <baidarker at gmail.com> 
To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net> 
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, "Kellie Morrill" <kelliemorrill at yahoo.com>, ecpg at peoplepc.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:33:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carrying weapons 

Mountain man like you Mango, hell I figured you were packin' and could shoot the eye out of a squirrel at a hundred yards!  You thought I was the security?  Man were we in trouble. 


Shroomer 


On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Jim & Jane Moody < moodyjj at comcast.net > wrote: 






I discovered that if I hiked with Shroomer, I didn't need a gun.  

Mango 








From: "Scott Williams" < baidarker at gmail.com > 
To: ecpg at peoplepc.com 
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net , "Kellie Morrill" < kelliemorrill at yahoo.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:16:43 PM 

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carrying weapons 




I'm a retired probation officer and was a member of, or ran our felony 
investigations unit for 15 years in my 30 years on the job.  Every felony 
committed in our county came across my desk if their was a suspect charged 
by the DA.  Thousands and thousands of crimes, many against women, almost 
everyone of them occurred in a city, or in the parking lots of our Regional 
Parks.  I can't recall one occurring "on trail" that wasn't a city trail. 
 The notion that women are unsafe in the wilderness seems to come from the 
tremendous press that the very isolated weird cases get over the years. 
 People tend to forget the thousands of rapes and hundreds of murders in 
Oakland, Berkeley, SF and the surrounding suburbs, but can tell you of the 
trail side killer in Marin many years ago.  That case got press, and stays 
in folks minds, the mundane, very real threat of crime in town, on the 
streets, in shops and homes, goes almost unnoticed it is so common. 

You are much, much safer on any wilderness trail than you have ever been at 
home or in whatever town you live in across the country, because that is 
where crimes are routinely committed, not in the wilderness.  If you feel 
the need to carry a gun for protection, wear it on the street, in the 
restaurant you have dinner in, and at home, home invasions are way more 
common than trail side stranglers.  My point is that if you don't carry a 
gun at home, you certainly don't need one on the PCT. 

That being said, I am always careful when leaving trail to see who is in 
the trail head parking lots, and I don't camp near roads.  Stealth camp, 
not from bears, but from marauding drunks near towns and campgrounds.  And 
try to hitch with friends. 

If you begin alone, but are a social person, you will quickly meet friends. 
 Rely on them, come into town with them.  Hiking in a group is fun and even 
safer than on your own, in case you get injured.  The statistics are just 
not weighted toward needing a gun on trail. 

Shroomer 

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