[pct-l] Fresno - Roads End - Sierra High Route

Emily Shirley BookGidget at gmail.com
Tue May 31 20:21:39 CDT 2011


Hey everyone!

I'm planning to do the Sierra High Route in August and am looking for
suggestions on a ride to the trailhead/Roads End. I'd be flying into Fresno
CA.    If any PCT2011 thru-hiker or trail angel is in the area let me know!
I'd be happy to pay for the bother and gas!  Otherwise I plan on hitting up
the Fresno REI...

Let me know if you have any ideas! Or if you are planning to hike it this
year as well!

 - Golden Child - Emily




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>   1. Tioga Pass Road (James A. Streeter)
>   2. Waiting off the trail (Naps.On.Trail)
>   3. LAX to Big Bear transportation 6/5 (J. Michael Hanssen)
>   4. Solution to...What do you guys do for money? (Mary Kwart)
>   5. Angels helping angels (Marion Davison)
>   6. Section D Hiker (David Mason)
>   7. San Jacinto report (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
>   8. Re: Parking at Reds Meadow after trail project (Sir Mix-a-lot)
>   9. Re: Just Kids...."Taking Chance"....(an old Marine's
>      reflections) (Matthew Orr)
>  10. Looking for Moa (2010 Hiker) (Donna Saufley)
>  11. Re: San Jacinto report (Scott Williams)
>  12. Re: Just Kids...."Taking Chance" and the PCT (hiker97 at aol.com)
>  13. Hat Creek Rim (Gregory L. Colvin)
>  14. Re: 2011 YouTube Hikers (Kolby Kirk)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 10:45:01 -0700
> From: "James A. Streeter" <james8313 at sti.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tioga Pass Road
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Most current update 5-26
>
> It looks like the they are progressing on the road.. the Crew from
> the east side has made it past Tuolomne Meadows and are working
> towards
> Omstead Point where the West Crew is.
>
> Nice picture of Tuolomne Meadows still in snow..
>
> http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm
>
> YosemiteJames
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 10:47:42 -0700
> From: "Naps.On.Trail" <Naps.On.Trail at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Waiting off the trail
> To: PCT Email List PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I came off the trail a week ago last Sunday at Walker Pass (652). To my
> knowledge, there was only one person actively in front of me (or us, there
> were four of us), and by only a day or two. I say "actively" because the
> earlier trail log entries were old, by a week or more. I had met about a
> dozen in Aqua Dulce and Hikertown who should have passed me but never did.
> If some are following Ned's trail, it can't be many.
>
> Naps-On-Trail
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 08:09:33 -1000
> From: "J. Michael Hanssen" <mhanssen at hawaii.rr.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] LAX to Big Bear transportation 6/5
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thruhiker (injured, but now healed) getting back on trail. Flying into
> LAX on 6/5 @ 4:30pm. Seems like this is a three-step, 2 day process to
> get to Big Bear. (FlyAway bus to Union Station; MetroLink to San
> Bernardino; overnight in San Bernardino; MARTA to Big Bear).
> Unless, of course, there is a wonderful trail angel willing to help
> with transportation needs........will be glad to cover fuel expenses!
> Any other suggestions or advice is welcomed.
> Aloha, Speedbump
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:10:32 -0700
> From: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Solution to...What do you guys do for money?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Krikor:
>
> I was a seasonal firefighter with the US Forest Service, Park Service and
> BLM for 12 years--that allowed me to have winters off to hike--but I could
> only go to hotter places like Arizona and Texas. I used to save money and
> take every 4th year totally off to do a long trail in the summer.
>
> After I figured out I may need health insurance when I got old, I took a
> permanent job with the US Forest Service, after getting a 4 year degree in
> forestry/fire management. This curtailed my regular long distance
> backpacking, but I got plenty of exercise on fires and saved my annual leave
> to do long weekend hikes. I also saved my leave to do two week vacations
> once a year.
>
> While working for the Forest Service and Park Service I was living right in
> the good places to hike--so no city commutes. As part of my job, I had to
> stay in shape to pass the firefighting pack test every year--walking 3 miles
> in 45 minutes carrying a 45 pound pack--so I was allowed a certain amount of
> time on the job to workout to stay in shape. That was the advantage of the
> firefighting job.
>
> I am retired now--wildland firefighter retirement allows for retiring at
> age 50 with 20 years of service or at any age with 25 years of service. I
> retired at age 55 and am pursuing my long distance hiking passion now. I
> only make 53% of pre-retirement income (pension and 401K investment) , but
> backpacking is not an expensive pursuit, once you get the gear. I also use a
> credit card that allows me to build up airline miles by paying regular
> bills, so I can make the choice to fly to long distance trailheads.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Fireweed
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:49:44 -0700
> From: Marion Davison <mardav at charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Angels helping angels
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> A big shout out to Shepherd (Amanda) who gave us a shuttle ride and
> helped us chuck trees on Saturday morning.  We cleared trees from
> Section C, Onyx summit to highway 18 this weekend.  The weather was
> extremely windy and cold and it snowed for about an hour on Sunday
> afternoon.  Check this link to the biggest tree we cleared, just north
> of Arrastre Trail camp.
> > https://picasaweb.google.com/raydav94/PCT2011May#
>
> We met Bushwhacker and Sticks on trail, they are both happily heading
> north.  They think they are pretty much at the back of the pack.
> Marion (Llamalady)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:32:16 -0700
> From: "David Mason" <Bigdave at bigdavemason.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Section D Hiker
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I'm leaving June 14th..Will I need Micro Spikes ?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:45:18 -0700
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>        <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] San Jacinto report
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Just a little report for anyone still south of San Jacinto.
> Trailhacker and I hiked over San Jacinto from Spitler Trail to just
> shy of the start of Section C. There was water at every source listed
> on Halfmile's maps and in many little creeks in between. There was
> still some snow on Fuller Ridge but nothing to worry about. Just
> humps you have to walk over. Some fallen trees on the trail, a few
> quite large. None impossible to get around on foot, though. The
> switchbacks down to Snow Creek are very overgrown. Had our permits
> checked by rangers twice (but it was Memorial Day weekend.)
>
> We had hurricane winds and ice-fog and ice chunks the size of your
> hand falling out of the trees. It was an ice wonderland. Some of the
> larger creeks had ice on all the rocks you might want to step on, so
> I walked right in the cold water. Brr. It was below freezing on
> Sunday. It was probably a delightful 60 the following day, I'm guessing.
>
> I did all this wearing sandals. I keep on hiking in these darn Chacos
> and they keep on working out. So anybody who has really bad foot/shoe
> problems might consider trying them. I wear them with wool socks.
> They are not good on snow, however, even though I keep walking on
> snow with them.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 17:46:23 -0700
> From: Sir Mix-a-lot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Parking at Reds Meadow after trail project
> To: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
> Cc: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
>        pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTininLNUvuTeRWii6XO-OyFmPcXo3g at mail.gmail.com>
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> Thanks all for the help.  I didn't know about the shuttle at all.  I
> believe
> I get some kind of season pass to drive into the area, so parking at the
> trailhead may be a good option if the rangers are okay with it, but my
> concerns about leaving food in the car may push me towards taking the
> shuttle.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I saw the referenced sign this past winter... It's possible, I suppose,
> is
> > was there because of the need to plow the lot during the winter months.
> >  So,
> > your best bet, if considering parking there, is to look for signs
> > Quackers...
> >
> > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> > diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I used the Park & Ride last summer in August. Parked there for 4 days,
> > > mid-week. If it has changed since then, then disregard it as an option.
> > >
> > > Diane
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 25, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Stephen Clark wrote:
> > >
> > >  Last time I was in Mammoth Lakes the Park and Ride in town had signs
> > >> indicating overnight parking was not allowed.
> > >>
> > >> Parking at Mammoth Mountain just east of the Main Lodge is okay. I did
> > it
> > >> last summer for a week. Just tell parking security, leave a note on
> your
> > >> seat, and display your forest pass. Don't know if the forest pass is a
> > >> requirement, but better to be safe than sorry.
> > >>
> > >> If you can't find parking security and don't have a forest pass...  at
> > the
> > >> very least leave the note.
> > >>
> > >> Quackers
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> > >> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> > >> You can park in the Mammoth Park & Ride lot (near McDonald's) and
> > >> take a free bus to Red's Meadow.
> > >>
> > >> If there's one thing Mammoth is good at it's making it easy to enjoy
> > >> the outdoors there!
> > >>
> > >> On May 25, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone know of a place I can park my car while I hike the trail in
> > >> > that
> > >> > area, preferably for as close to free as possible?  I'll be doing a
> > >> > long
> > >> > trail project there in about a month and want to stick around for
> > >> > about a
> > >> > week to hike and take lots of pictures.
> > >> >
> > >> > If anyone wants to carpool to this trail project and do the entire
> > >> > project
> > >> > plus the side project and then stick around for the extra week, let
> > >> > me know!
> > >> >  I'm in San Diego.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sir Mix-a-lot
> > >>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:49:53 +0900
> From: Matthew Orr <lilmattyorr at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Just Kids...."Taking Chance"....(an old Marine's
>        reflections)
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>,    Deems
>        <losthiker at sisqtel.net>, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinOCoeWVo31Shc-NsEAZvdQRi1rxQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> Semper Fi. I'm a Marine and currently stationed in Okinawa, Japan. Not much
> hiking on this little island in the Pacific. Hoping to get stationed at
> Camp
> Pendleton, San Diego next year.
> Matt,
> SSgt. USMC.
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Reinhold Metzger
> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>wrote:
>
> > To my Marine buddies,....those who served and those who know the "PAIN".
> > Like always, on Memorial Day, I was watching the movie "Taking Chance"
> > and it took
> > me back to a time very long ago.
> > If  "Memorial Day"  means anything to you, you owe it to yourself to
> > watch the movie
> > "Taking Chance".
> > It will rip your heart out, make you feel all mushy inside and make you
> > appreciate and
> > respect the honor bestowed upon our fallen heroes on Memorial Day.
> > It is by far the movie that best reflects what Memorial Day stands for.
> > I don't know what it is about Memorial Day that makes me feel this way
> > and makes me
> > say the things I am about to say.......
> > /
> > We were  "just kids",  in the summer of 1965, when we landed in Vietnam.
> > //"Just kids", most of us 18-19-20 years old, just barely out of
> > High//School, not yet
> > old enough to drink but old enough to die for our //country. /
> > /We never could quite understand that....if you are old enough to die
> > //for your country
> > you should be old enough to drink. /
> > / With one year of advanced infantry training including jungle, desert,
> > //cold weather,
> >  hand to hand combat and raider training we were gung ho //Marines,
> > tough enough
> > to chew nails.....I mean we were Captain //Tolleson's Echo 2/7, the
> > cream of the crop
> > of the Marine Corps' //Raider Battalion and ready to kick ass. //
> > We were "just kids" eager to be Marines, eager to serve during a time
> > //of war, eager
> > to be heroes. //
> > That naive fantasy thinking can change mighty quick when the landing
> > //crafts hit the
> > beach and bullets start flying.
> > //There is no glory in war, only misery......it is your worst nightmare.
> //
> > Our first casualty was by friendly fire....the tragic part was that
> > //the bullet that caused
> > our first casualty was fired by the casualties //best friend.
> > //In combat, reflex decisions have to be made in a split second and
> > //sometimes those
> > decisions turn out not to be the right ones.
> > //In my mind there is no greater honor than serving your country during
> > //a time of war
> > and no greater sacrifice than a soldier paying the //ultimate price
> > while serving his
> > country during a time of war.
> > //Take Pat Tillman for instance....Pat was a professional football
> > //player who had fortune
> > and fame yet walked away from a 3.6 million //dollar contract to serve
> > his country and
> > paid the ultimate //price....ironically, also by friendly fire.
> > //But it does not matter, friendly fire, enemy fire, the results are
> > //always the same and
> > Memorial Day is to honor all of our fallen heroes,//for they served
> > their country and
> > paid the ultimate price. //
> > If it were not for men like that, Obama might be our Prime Minister or
> > //our national
> > language might be German and Memorial Day is to remind us //of that and
> > pay our
> > respect to these fallen heroes who sacrificed //their lives so that we
> > can enjoy what
> > we have today.
> > //We did not consider ourself to be "just kids", but now that I am older
> > //and wiser I
> > realize, we WERE "just kids".
> > //Nothing has really changed and many of our troops serving in Iraq and
> > //Afghanistan
> > are still "just kids"....not yet old enough to drink, //but old enough
> > to die for their country. /
> > /Think about that for a moment, on Memorial Day, and what that day
> > //stands for. /
> >
> > /Reinold Metzger
> > //Sgt. USMC 1964-68
> > //Gunner, Echo Co., 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > /
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:31:34 -0700
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Looking for Moa (2010 Hiker)
> To: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000601cc1f32$7a749bb0$6f5dd310$@com>
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> If anyone has Moa's email address, please forward it to me or let him know
> that I am trying to reach him.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:28:04 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Jacinto report
> To: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTimLcZZ6QDs04wjTcwNHOt_Lyc8ucA at mail.gmail.com>
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> If Amoeba can hike the AT twice in Crocs, you can darn sure hike a few
> miles
> in Chacos.  Good for finding something that works.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> > Just a little report for anyone still south of San Jacinto.
> > Trailhacker and I hiked over San Jacinto from Spitler Trail to just
> > shy of the start of Section C. There was water at every source listed
> > on Halfmile's maps and in many little creeks in between. There was
> > still some snow on Fuller Ridge but nothing to worry about. Just
> > humps you have to walk over. Some fallen trees on the trail, a few
> > quite large. None impossible to get around on foot, though. The
> > switchbacks down to Snow Creek are very overgrown. Had our permits
> > checked by rangers twice (but it was Memorial Day weekend.)
> >
> > We had hurricane winds and ice-fog and ice chunks the size of your
> > hand falling out of the trees. It was an ice wonderland. Some of the
> > larger creeks had ice on all the rocks you might want to step on, so
> > I walked right in the cold water. Brr. It was below freezing on
> > Sunday. It was probably a delightful 60 the following day, I'm guessing.
> >
> > I did all this wearing sandals. I keep on hiking in these darn Chacos
> > and they keep on working out. So anybody who has really bad foot/shoe
> > problems might consider trying them. I wear them with wool socks.
> > They are not good on snow, however, even though I keep walking on
> > snow with them.
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:32:28 -0400
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Just Kids...."Taking Chance" and the PCT
> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net,
>        groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net, losthiker at sisqtel.net,
>        montedodge at msn.com
> Message-ID: <8CDEDA5F052B320-1BC8-5BD2F at webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Unsupported JMT Reinhold wrote: We did not consider our self to be "just
> kids", but now that I am older  and wiser I  realize, we WERE "just kids".
> Nothing has really changed and many of our troops serving in Iraq and
> Afghanistan are still "just kids"....not yet old enough to drink, but old
> enough to die for their country.   Think about that for a moment, on
> Memorial Day, and what that day stands for.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Retired Veteran Switchback replies: Yes, I agree.  One thing I would like
> to see is to remember all the PCT folks who have passed on too.  Some were
> Trail Angels, some were hikers, some were friends of the trail.  It does not
> matter their relationship to the trail.  The fact they cared is all that is
> important.  The trail was an important part of their lives.  Trail folks
> were an important part of their lives too.  I know life is for the living,
> but remembrance is not bad either.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:36:32 -0700
> From: "Gregory L. Colvin" <colvin at adlercolvin.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hat Creek Rim
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>        <7C7E84A809E9EB459D1117356B0B3F6304207BDC at mail.silklaw.com>
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> Forced by High Sierra snow to seek another venue for the next
> installment of our section hike NoBo, we did the 42 miles from Twin
> Bridges to Hwy 299 over Memorial Day weekend.  Motel in Burney.
> Breakfast at Blackberry Patch. Three day-hiking days, perfect weather,
> flowers, rushing streams where you'd never see them in July.
>
> Will resume main hike, from Tuolumne Mdws to Sonora Pass, 3rd week of
> July.
>
> Greg, Jared, and Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:34:41 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2011 YouTube Hikers
> To: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTik0SE6e6gYRr2ThKWNcJ5gWVjSLHw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> http://vimeo.com/user784179
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:17 AM, eckert <jape1 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/ThruHike4Freedom
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Abela<abela at johnabela.com>
> > > Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> > > Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 17:35:45
> > > To: PCT<pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > > Subject: [pct-l] 2011 YouTube Hikers
> > >
> > > Hey All,
> > >
> > > I would love to get a list of folks hiking this year (2011) that are
> > > posting youtube videos...
> > >
> > > The only one I know of is:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/user/jandbpct
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> > > But there's gotta be more out there... so if you know of somebody,
> > > please share - so the rest of us can join in their fun with them!!
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