[pct-l] Lost Coast

[Kevin Cook]

uhoh... another dog thread :p

John, I hike with dogs, and like Patti's, mine are friendly. They have no
wish to harm you or anyone else. My largest dog is a Flat Coated Retriever.
He's also the most submissive of my "pack". He will run to people full
speed. He's just excited to make a new friend. He will stop if I call him
though, but I usually decide that based on the other person's reaction. I
announce to them, "he's friendly". If they smile, I let him go. If they look
scared, I call him back. Now his brother, he won't come back when I call.
That's because he's old and can't really hear, but he doesn't run to the
people anymore either hehe. The "little bitch", Sierra, she won't go up to
people. She will go half way and start barking. She's not agressive, but she
sure can be noisy.

I don't blame you for wanting to defend yourself against an aggressive dog,
but if they are still 8-12 feet away, are you really in any danger? I can't
help but wonder how you're interpreting that they are coming at you "with
intent to harm"?

I'm not saying what you did was wrong, but I agree with Ron that having to
pepper spray a dog 3 times in 4 months is a lot, or you have the worst luck
ever!

Now that my wife will be traveling in the truck along with me, I will have
Doc with me on a lot of the trail. Please don't pepper spray him! He's the
biggest sweetheart you'll ever meet. I don't think I'll be taking Sierra
with me though. She's still a puppy and has not learned manners yet.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:

> If someone "has" to pepperspray three dogs in four months I suggest he is
> doing something wrong.  I spent 38 years as a cop including 10 as a SWAT
> commander where we go after bad guys who use really aggressive "bad" dogs
> to
> protect their property (and dope).  In only one instance did we need to
> shoot a dog.  I respect that dogs need exercise and activities but I also
> respect the dog when I encounter him.  I typically let them approach and
> investigate me and don't have problems.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of patti kulesz
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:12 PM
> To: John Abela
> Cc: PCT L
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost Coast
>
> OMG chill out freak! not only am I a responsible pet owner but my dog
> really
> IS
> nice. He doesn't even lick or jump or bark. Everyone that met him on the
> PCT
>
> last year LOVED Frankie! and said what a great dog he was. And u don't have
> to
> worry if I am anywhere near u while I'm hiking, I'll make sure I go down
> the
>
> side of the mountain if I have to just to avoid any contact, even if it's
> only
> verbal, with u! It's too bad that ur only experience with dogs is only with
> aggressive and viscious ones. The only place for them is NOT at home and I
> DO
> respect him by giving him the excercise that he needs...not leaving him
> home
> to
> get fat and lazy and making sure that he continues to be socialized so he's
> not
> a freak like u! relax and enjoy ur hike!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 3:34:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lost Coast
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > o can't  make it this weekend poop have other plans already! I can't
> leave
> my
> >dog at home...he's my hiking partner...if he can't go then I DONT go!
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
>
> Up here in the Lost Coast 99% of the folks out hiking do not like dogs
> on trails.
>
> In the last four months I have pepper sprayed three dogs all coming at
> me with intent to harm.
>
> "it's a nice dog" is a lie - so stop trying to tell the rest of us on
> the trail such.
>
> I hike with hiking poles, and to many dogs, that is a club and I am
> going to beat the crap out of its owner with a club, therefore it must
> defend -- which, results in my Mean Green pepper spray nailing the dog
> in the face when they get about 8-12 feet from me going hell bent for
> my destruction.
>
> I hate to be one of those "anti-dog" people -- I use to train dogs for
> a living and have worked with some vicious K9's direct from Germany --
> but dogs on the trail is not a place for dogs to be. Especially as
> more and more people are out there with clubs... err... I mean, hiking
> poles.
>
> For the record, every single dog owner that I have pepper sprayed (5
> so far this year) have been very sorry that their dogs came at me, and
> were not the least bit upset at their dog being green and not able to
> see. The last dog, got the crap beat out of it by its owner, as I was
> walking away.
>
> Respect your dogs and your fellow hikers - keep them at home.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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