[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19
Johanna Santore
kaiserpt at hughes.net
Sun Jun 19 20:39:05 CDT 2011
We keep plenty of water in the cache at Swarthout Canyon and will
through the season
Johanna & John
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:00:03 -0500, you wrote:
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> 1. Re: Is it too late for Southern Ca?
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> 2. Can anyone help in Mammoth? (Mike Chapman)
> 3. Tahoe snow condition now (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 4. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 (will.hiltz at gmail.com)
> 5. Good price on New Balance MT814s (Kim Hastings)
> 6. Re: Snow conditions near Chester (Meridith Rosendahl)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:25:32 -0700
>From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is it too late for Southern Ca?
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>What kind of heat can you handle? It's 100 degrees in Palm Springs
>these days. You'll be hiking at the same altitude in at least one
>place. The good news is that it was a wet winter so there's a lot of
>water compared to drier years.
>
>I don't know what it's like south of Highway 74, but a couple weeks
>ago we hiked in the San Jacintos and there was plenty of water up
>there and even some water still flowing in the desert on the way down
>to Snow Creek. Might be dry by July, though, but you have the faucet
>and the hose at the windmills.
>
>I know someone considering hiking Section C from Cabazon to
>Wrightwood in July. I think it'll be hot but completely doable.
>There's water in Whitewater and Mission Creeks and plenty of water in
>the Big Bear area and the creek beyond Deep Creek was flowing nicely
>just a month ago so ought to still have some water in July. It might
>be a little tough between Cleghorn Peak and wherever the next
>drinkable water is before Wrightwood, but there's the McDonalds to
>help out and water could be cached ahead of time at Swarthout Cyn Rd.
>
>So if you really can handle upper 90s and low 100s, I think this is a
>good year to summer hike in So Cal. A lot of people will think I'm
>nuts, but there really are people who hike in those kinds of
>temperatures. Trailhacker is one of them, sometimes purposefully
>going out on crazy hiking trips when it's over 100, carrying a gallon
>of water and going out with his loppers to hack away at Hurricane
>Deck in the Los Padres (notorious waterless overgrown trail) even
>when he doesn't feel well. He's nuts.
>
>Diane
>
>On Jun 18, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> We're 60-yr-old section hikers-- we cover?about 350 miles of the
>> PCT in 3 or 4
>> weeks each summer (until we retire and can become thru-hikers).? We
>> can only get
>> vacation time in July.?
>>
>>
>> We?had planned to hike from Crater Lake to Mt. Rainier this year,
>> but due
>> to?snow levels, we've canceled that.??
>>
>> The only remaining portions of the trail we haven't hiked yet?=?
>> Campo to?Walker
>> Pass. I'm looking through the guide book, trying to find the "least
>> hot"
>> segment.? Would we be crazy to try to hike California Sections B,
>> C, and D in
>> July?? I'd rather?hike in?heat than in snow!
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your ideas,
>>
>> Sole Doctor and Boom Done
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:34:01 -0700
>From: Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Can anyone help in Mammoth?
>To: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>Hello Listers,im thru hiking,ive got bitten by a bad thing(unknown)
>and have to heal here(regular daily hospital visits),the hostel is
>great but this injury has costed me a ton,and this hostel is more then
>your average cost(but well worth it,thanks Andy). Can anyone put me up
>for a night or 2,or let me camp in your yard,please give me a call at
>530 368 9647. The locals are non dirty people,and im looking so
>thru,it turns lots of heads. Sorry about the underlines,this computer
>has its own mind! Heal On,Footlocker.
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:04:49 -0700
>From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
>Subject: [pct-l] Tahoe snow condition now
>To: <johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com>
>Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>The road into Echo Lake Resort is almost free of snow, but the Desolation Wilderness area still has up to 7 feet of consolidated, hard, easy-to-walk-on snow (but posting in the afternoons). Snow shoes are not necessary. Nighttime temps are getting warmer and the thaw is accelerating, but the creek crossings are nothing like those below the longer canyons of Kings/Sequoia/Yosemite.
>
>Navigation through the forest in this area is challenging. You need to be very topo-savvy and be able to integrate your GPS tracks for the trail with what you see ahead. For future spring hikers and next year's thru hikers of the PCT/JMT/TRT, you should get some experience in this type of below-timberline navigation before finalizing your plans and finishing all your preparations. Go out now and do a little snow-hiking to see what it takes. The nice thing about the Tahoe Rim Trail is that it is not far from civilization and if you get lost all you have to do is follow a snow-bound creek down to the communities around Lake Tahoe. Cell phone coverage is pretty good around the Lake, too. A great training area for any hike as the sections of the Rim are usually about 2 to 4 days in length, good for weekend practicing!
>
>
>Mountain Education just returned from another leg of the Tahoe Rim Trail and will be going back out on Monday to do the PCT-shared portion up to 'Echo. We should be able to give everyone an accurate update on that area on Tuesday the 21st.
>
>If anyone wants to join us for that 2-day snow-hike between the Big Meadows TH on hwy 89 and the Echo Summit TH on hwy 50 for a little Snow Skills Training, just email us right away!
>
>The next Snow Skills Training will be 6/23 to 28 between Echo Lake Resort to Tahoe City for a 6-day stretch. If you are preparing to thru hike next year, this kind of trip would be something you should consider doing to realize the reality of what you need to prepare for when it comes to snow-hiking in the Spring.
>
>
>
>"Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
>Ned Tibbits, Director
>Mountain Education
>1106A Ski Run Blvd
>South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:43:43 +0000
>From: will.hiltz at gmail.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18
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> 1. Note to Joe, Lee and other PCT Experts--New Section Hike
> YahooGroup for OR -- WA (Scoutert38 at aol.com)
> 2. Is it too late for Southern Ca? (CClark)
> 3. Re: Is it too late for Southern Ca? (aslive at charter.net)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:50:25 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Scoutert38 at aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Note to Joe, Lee and other PCT Experts--New Section
> Hike YahooGroup for OR -- WA
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>Joe,
>Lee
>
>Just sent both of you an Invite to my PCT Section Hike email group. I could
> really use some Expert participation.
>
>ANYONE else doing section hikes in Oregon and Washington are encouraged to
>join also. If you visit the site,
>_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pct_section_hikes_OR-WA_USA/_
>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pct_section_hikes_OR-WA_USA/) I would greatly appreciate it!!
>
>I have Diabetes and other age enhanced disabilities and I can only do
>section hikes. I am 58, and I am greatly encouraged by those older than me that
>make this hike from Mexico to Canada!! If you have any specific input
>regarding hiking with diabetes, I would appreciate it. My hope is that it will
>help me lose weight, and lower my blood sugars naturally.
>
>I plan on hiking two 50 milers; Hwy 20 to Olallie Lake, and also Willamette
> Pass to Elk Lake Resort. Any section specific input would be greatly
>appreciated as well!!!!
>
>Thanks!
>Dave Robinson
>PCTA Member
>
>
>In a message dated 6/15/2011 10:00:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>pct-l-request at backcountry.net writes:
>
>To: 'Joe Roth' <jroth2353 at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net, Eric Lee
><saintgimp at hotmail.com>
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>Also get some practice hiking oIver snow. I got my butt kicked up there
>last weekend, but I learned while undergoing said butt-kicking. If I were to
>go back up there to the same spot under the same conditions, I believe I
>could handle it--same with San Jacinto and Sierra snows (additional snow
>skills required, of course).
>
>In fact, get experience hiking under unfamiliar conditions, ESPECIALLY
>ones that may make you twitch: twitchy stream crossings; long, hot waterless
>stretches; big grades up or down; rain; storms and threat of storms.
>
>-Nate the Trail Zombie
>Newberg, OR
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:54:18 -0700 (PDT)
>From: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Is it too late for Southern Ca?
>To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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>We're 60-yr-old section hikers-- we cover?about 350 miles of the PCT in 3 or 4
>weeks each summer (until we retire and can become thru-hikers).? We can only get
>vacation time in July.?
>
>
>We?had planned to hike from Crater Lake to Mt. Rainier this year, but due
>to?snow levels, we've canceled that.??
>
>The only remaining portions of the trail we haven't hiked yet?=?Campo to?Walker
>Pass. I'm looking through the guide book, trying to find the "least hot"
>segment.? Would we be crazy to try to hike California Sections B, C, and D in
>July?? I'd rather?hike in?heat than in snow!
>
>
>Thanks for your ideas,
>
>Sole Doctor and Boom Done
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
>From: aslive at charter.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Is it too late for Southern Ca?
>To: CClark <dr_carolyn at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <3709fed.b7096.1309fc4c26f.Webtop.49 at charter.net>
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>Water and heat will be you major concerns. July is no time to be doing
>distance hiking in the desert unless you have cashed your own water
>before hand and then night hiking with mid-day rests is best, as it can
>get up to 120 degrees.
>
>If you are willing to skip around a bit, you could do the mountains,
>although you might want to consider hiking down hill instead of up,
>again due to the heat. The area near Idyllwild and Big Bear will have
>the most shade. The Angeles Forest will also have shade, although you
>may find yourself hiking through some burned areas.
>
>Shepherd
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM, CClark wrote:
>
>> We're 60-yr-old section hikers-- we cover?about 350 miles of the PCT
>> in 3 or 4 weeks each summer (until we retire and can become
>> thru-hikers).? We can only get vacation time in July.?
>>
>> We?had planned to hike from Crater Lake to Mt. Rainier this year, but
>> due to?snow levels, we've canceled that.??
>>
>> The only remaining portions of the trail we haven't hiked yet?=?Campo
>> to?Walker Pass. I'm looking through the guide book, trying to find the
>> "least hot" segment.? Would we be crazy to try to hike California
>> Sections B, C, and D in July?? I'd rather?hike in?heat than in snow!
>>
>> Thanks for your ideas,
>>
>> Sole Doctor and Boom Done
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:15:56 -0700
>From: Kim Hastings <kim at stikine.org>
>Subject: [pct-l] Good price on New Balance MT814s
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>The New Balance 8XX series of trail running shoes seems to be the only
>shoe that makes my narrow-heel, wide-forefoot feet happy, mile after
>mile, year after year. I'm always on the lookout for a good deal on
>them, and I just discovered that Amazon is selling the MT814 for about
>$55. What's more, they seem to have a good selection of sizes at that
>price. Caveat emptor: like other reviewers, I found that I had to go a
>half size larger in this model to get the same fit as previous models
>in this series.
>
>Tioga Pass Road is now open and the Sierra foothills are about to see
>the first triple digit temperatures of the year...let the summer
>begin!
>
>Twodog
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:05:01 -0700
>From: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow conditions near Chester
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>I added a couple of photos of Mt. Lassen to my Picasa album where I posted
>the snow conditions on the trail near Domingo Springs.
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/Meridith59/PCTJune12NearDomingoSprings?authkey=Gv1sRgCIi0ifL1iYHnBQ
>
>Piper's Mom
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