[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9

Fri Jun 10 14:43:12 CDT 2011

I just think someone should know what it's called.

It's fun to reply to the list without deleting the unrelated messages!

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Monte Dodge <montedodge at msn.com> wrote:

>
> Cool ideas,, how about a cell phone that has the front cover that works as
> a solar charger. I'd like to see one for the outdoor folks, sit it on a rock
> in the sun and it work charge. Just an idea. All in one piece
>
> > From: pct-l-request at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Pct-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:00:02 -0500
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> >
> > 1. Estimated snow levels mid July: I-80 to Burney Falls (Jan)
> > 2. Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback
> > (jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk)
> > 3. Re: hiker trash (THE JOHN LOVES)
> > 4. SoBo Border crossing???? (Spring)
> > 5. Re: Snow (robwid at comcast.net)
> > 6. Getting to the trail from Inyokern (pct-l at hradecky.net)
> > 7. Re: Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback (Sir Mix-a-lot)
> > 8. Re: Snow (CHUCK CHELIN)
> > 9. Re: Getting to the trail from Inyokern (Edward Anderson)
> > 10. Re: SoBo Border crossing???? (Brick Robbins)
> > 11. The thaw is On! (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> > 12. Re: SoBo Border crossing???? (Eric Lee)
> > 13. Re: Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback (Eric Lee)
> > 14. Re: 2011 SOBO census (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:33:29 -0700
> > From: "Jan" <long2hike at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Estimated snow levels mid July: I-80 to Burney Falls
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <COL102-DS2401E6ED71A1019F483804F8630 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Can the future be estimated? I would like to hike I-80 to Burney Falls
> starting mid July. Given the current snow levels I am thinking this is
> unrealistic. Would the beginning of August be doable? Since I am recovering
> from a broken ankle Jan 1, 2011, I am not interested in post-holing or
> slogging through the snow. I called the national forest at Lake Tahoe. They
> said the snow was five feet deep at 1000-2000 feet elevation, and that they
> were about a month behind schedule. So, what are your opinions? When will
> the trail there be relatively snow free? I thought about reversing the hike,
> but I don?t think I would gain anything. Waiting until August to decide is
> not an option as I need to plan and make travel arrangements. And, I would
> rather not hike in September as it is colder and the days are shorter.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jan
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:37:32 +0100
> > From: jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk <jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP110768577C45C3F64C07B63D7630 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I am wondering if anyone here can give me some information on doing the
> trail on horseback. Any information would be very gratefully received from
> whether its best to buys horses or if its possible to lease them as it were.
> > Thanks guys
> >
> > Logan
> >
> > Sent from my HTC
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:56:55 +0000
> > From: THE JOHN LOVES <jloveusmc at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiker trash
> > To: <dsaufley at sprynet.com>, <charles.doersch at gmail.com>,
> > <jomike at cot.net>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <SNT123-W4306CFDD816BFC379B06BBD630 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > Wow, that is an awesome email--well contemplated, well said. My
> 24-year-old, wonderful son (trail name "Push") is on the thru-trail, and I
> hope to high heaven he is not one of these hiker trash people. I sincerely
> doubt it, but loving mothers can be delirious. Thank you all for what you
> do, and I personally despise and reject the trash, all the time sincerely
> appreciating those who continue to care for the people on the trail. Thank
> you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> > > To: charles.doersch at gmail.com; jomike at cot.net
> > > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:12:28 -0700
> > > CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiker trash
> > >
> > > If you are going to host hikers, you are going to have hiker trash. I
> find
> > > the outrage about hikers behaving like human beings to be misplaced.
> Any
> > > expectation that they are perfect models of cleanliness or
> consideration is
> > > flatly wrong. They are probably slobs in their own homes and in their
> > > mother's homes too. My son has been a total slob in my home, despite my
> > > admonitions, though the Army helped him immensely in this regard. For
> all
> > > we know the hikers' mothers or family are slobs. My son has friends
> whose
> > > parents are hoarders and live in squalor. How could their offspring
> have
> > > learned differently?
> > >
> > > Individuals tend to be more conscientious about leaving things neat and
> in
> > > order. Groups are something else altogether. Everyone thinks someone
> else
> > > is drinking that abandoned drink, or eating from that plate of food
> sitting
> > > on the table. Oddly, they ARE being considerate of others by leaving it
> > > there. If you're lucky, there's someone in the group (typically young
> women
> > > but not always) who will take responsibility for cleaning up. But you
> can't
> > > count on that. Some twenty-something kid's idea of clean and my idea of
> > > clean are definitely not the same.
> > >
> > > My dad had a saying that has helped me mentally in dealing with hiker
> and
> > > their trash: if you want something done the way you want it done, you
> have
> > > to do it yourself. No one else knows what you want unless you instruct
> them.
> > > I don't have the time to train everyone that comes through on how I
> want
> > > things cleaned, so I've found it easier to handle cleaning myself. The
> past
> > > few years I've had volunteers who've stayed during the season to help
> with
> > > the cleaning and laundry chores. They've been an absolute godsend.
> > >
> > > There is another popular saying that is also applicable: if you can't
> stand
> > > the heat, get out of the kitchen.
> > >
> > > L-Rod
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > > On Behalf Of Charles Doersch
> > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:37 PM
> > > To: jomike at cot.net
> > > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiker trash
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen the film _Dogville_? It might relate, I think, to this
> > > question of some folks taking advantage of generosity and grace. I
> teach at
> > > the university, and an important challenge each year with my freshmen
> is
> > > teaching my students that as young adults they now live in a world
> where
> > > there are consequences. One way I can do that for them as a professor
> is to
> > > hold them accountable and not shelter them from the consequences of
> their
> > > behavior. I notice how little understanding some of my students have of
> > > consequences. They want to be treated as adults -- until they want to
> be
> > > "taken care of." No, I say, you can't have it both ways. Grace is
> > > reciprocal.
> > >
> > > I also recognize that as they pass through university, the best of them
> come
> > > to respect those who hold them accountable for their achievement, their
> > > successes, and for their failures. Some people just don't respect a
> kind and
> > > caring heart.
> > >
> > > I rather think the trail community hasn't "created" or fostered young
> men
> > > who don't have common courtesy -- perhaps, among the many grateful,
> gracious
> > > hikers on the PCT, there will inevitably and always be some who are
> > > attracted to folks who dole out goodies, and take advantage, as long as
> > > there are no consequences. So yes, PCT Mom, some of these guys and gals
> > > would indeed be (and are) slobs in their parents' homes. If they can
> get
> > > away with it.
> > >
> > > But, since I'm still a PCT virgin (2012 here we come), I have no
> > > constructive or practical insight, I think, on how there can be
> > > consequences. The PCT trail culture is still something I have only read
> > > about.
> > >
> > > ~Charles & the gang.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM, <jomike at cot.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > You wouldn't be a slob in your
> > > > Mom's or Gramma's house. Don't do it out here.
> > > >
> > > > PCT MOM
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > You're more of an optimist than I about this issue...I believe they
> would
> > > > be just as inappropriate, by our standards, at their family's homes.
> I
> > > think
> > > > "we", the trail community at large, have created mainly young men who
> do
> > > > feel they are some how above what we'd call common courtesy. There is
> > > > absolutely no denying that they will have accomplished something very
> few
> > > > people can/will do, none-the-less, it exempts them from nothing. They
> > > should
> > > > not feel exempt from trail work, thank you, LNT ethics, and to simply
> > > > cleaning up after themselves.
> > > >
> > > > E-gads, I'm sounding old! (but I believe accurate)
> > > >
> > > > are we there yet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...going to the mountains is going home.
> > > >
> > > > John Muir
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:17:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] SoBo Border crossing????
> > To: PCT LIST <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <873178.74496.qm at web125503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Hi -? So I am thinking of hiking SoBo from the US/Canadian border.?
> Anybody with recent experience hiking SoBo that can tell me about what is or
> isn't being enforced???
> > Thanks, Spring
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 02:41:24 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: robwid at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> 837701735.1282527.1307500884462.JavaMail.root at sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: robwid at comcast.net
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 7:10:26 PM
> > Subject: Snow
> >
> >
> > My wife and I are planning to hike the Oregon section of the PCT
> beginning this July 15th at the Ore/Calif boarder. With the heavy snow this
> year would anyone like to speculate about the trail conditions as we begin
> our hike. Will the trail still be under snow?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:00:09 -0400
> > From: pct-l at hradecky.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Getting to the trail from Inyokern
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTimxy8sqAhXQeKsuSJ-4=kPvtkX1vA at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hi all -
> > I will by flying into the Inyokern airport on Sat June 25th (landing
> > at 11:45 am) and I am looking into my options of getting to the trail,
> > either at Walker Pass or Kennedy Meadows. Is there somebody in a
> > similar situation who would like to pool resources? Does somebody have
> > any good advice on transportation in that area? (I found a cab in
> > Ridgecrest that may be an option, if hitching doesn't work out.)
> > Btw, I will be hiking north for about 5 weeks, looking forward to
> > meeting some of you guys on the trail!
> > Vit
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:56:52 -0700
> > From: Sir Mix-a-lot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback
> > To: "jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk" <jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTiki2y_HbZVRg3Tf2XzGd-7XFSF=8Q at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > This list is for the Pacific CREST Trail.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:37 AM, jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk <
> > jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I am wondering if anyone here can give me some information on doing the
> > > trail on horseback. Any information would be very gratefully received
> from
> > > whether its best to buys horses or if its possible to lease them as it
> were.
> > > Thanks guys
> > >
> > > Logan
> > >
> > > Sent from my HTC
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sir Mix-a-lot
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:44:56 -0700
> > From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow
> > To: robwid at comcast.net
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTi=SvVnvT+gU_YUkLiTyOaZH=e0_zg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > If by saying you?ll begin at the Cal/Or border you mean right at the
> timber
> > access road that passes about ? mile north of the PCT Border Tree, you
> might
> > have a problem. This is a heavy snowpack year in most of the Siskiyou
> Mts.
> >
> >
> http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/support/water/westwide/snowpack/wy2011/snow1105.gifand
> > there is a high probability that road won?t be open in time ? or maybe
> > it won?t be opened at all this year. You should contact the local USFS
> > office for a road status report.
> >
> > If you start at that border road, or even further south at Seiad Valley,
> the
> > trail from the border most of the way to I-5 at Siskiyou Summit is around
> > 6000-6900 feet elevation passing just below Mt. Ashland which is 7400 ft.
> It
> > helps that most of the trail in that area in on the southern aspect of
> the
> > ridge and subsequently should have less snowpack. There?s a real-time
> > web-cam at Mt. Ashland
> > http://mtashland.com/SectionIndex.asp?SectionID=14that shows the snow
> > along the road to the ski area.
> > I don?t know how long into the summer they keep the video posted.
> >
> > If, instead, you begin your hike at Siskiyou Summit the trail will
> average
> > around 5000 ft. elevation for about a week.
> >
> > Regardless, you will likely encounter significant snowpack cover. In one
> > heavy snow year I encountered snowpack on the C. Oregon PCT in late
> August.
> >
> > Enjoy your hike,
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
> > Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:41 PM, <robwid at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: robwid at comcast.net
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 7:10:26 PM
> > > Subject: Snow
> > >
> > >
> > > My wife and I are planning to hike the Oregon section of the PCT
> beginning
> > > this July 15th at the Ore/Calif boarder. With the heavy snow this year
> would
> > > anyone like to speculate about the trail conditions as we begin our
> hike.
> > > Will the trail still be under snow?
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting to the trail from Inyokern
> > To: pct-l at hradecky.net
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <939943.88106.qm at web111601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Hi Vit,
> >
> > In 2008 I hitched from Lone Pine to Walker Pass.? It took about two hours
> to get
> > a ride to the intersection of 395 and 178 and the FIRST car going up 178
> gave me
> > a ride to Walker Pass. I had held up a sign reading "Hiker to Trail
> -?Walker
> > Pass"? A local who lived in Lake Isabella picked me up. The locals know
> about
> > the PCT.?
> >
> >
> > Being at the Inyokern Airport you are very near to that?intersection.
> >
> > MendoRider
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "pct-l at hradecky.net" <pct-l at hradecky.net>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 11:00:09 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Getting to the trail from Inyokern
> >
> > Hi all -
> > I will by flying into the Inyokern airport on Sat June 25th (landing
> > at 11:45 am) and I am looking into my options of getting to the trail,
> > either at Walker Pass or Kennedy Meadows. Is there somebody in a
> > similar situation who would like to pool resources? Does somebody have
> > any good advice on transportation in that area? (I found a cab in
> > Ridgecrest that may be an option, if hitching doesn't work out.)
> > Btw, I will be hiking north for about 5 weeks, looking forward to
> > meeting some of you guys on the trail!
> > Vit
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:25:03 -0700
> > From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] SoBo Border crossing????
> > To: Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: PCT LIST <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <BANLkTikGHJzVVGxsjB1MH9G9uOqzyNRE+w at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > What is your nationality?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi - So I am thinking of hiking SoBo from the US/Canadian border.
> Anybody
> > > with recent experience hiking SoBo that can tell me about what is or
> isn't
> > > being enforced?
> > > Thanks, Spring
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:48:10 -0700
> > From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> > Subject: [pct-l] The thaw is On!
> > To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
> > <thetahoerimtrail at yahoogroups.com>
> > Cc: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
> > Message-ID: <E89863E7CD754C169888947F3E509EA7 at PacificCrestPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > With the building in of a high pressure system against the west coast and
> Tahoe temps running between 40 and 60 degrees, the snow should be melting
> off at the usual rate of a foot a week!
> >
> > Maybe summertime conditions will arrive after all!
> >
> >
> > "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education
> > 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> > South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> > P: 888-996-8333
> > F: 530-541-1456
> > C: 530-721-1551
> > http://www.mountaineducation.org
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:17:25 -0700
> > From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] SoBo Border crossing????
> > To: "'Spring'" <kjssail at yahoo.com>, "'PCT LIST'"
> > <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <BAY145-ds1688C30C4B98DAEAEDF0BFBD650 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Spring wrote:
> > >
> > Hi -? So I am thinking of hiking SoBo from the US/Canadian border.?
> Anybody
> > with recent experience hiking SoBo that can tell me about what is or
> isn't
> > being enforced?
> > >
> >
> > If you're talking about starting on the Canadian side of the border and
> > hiking south from there, I don't recommend it. The US Border Patrol is
> > aware that hikers sometimes do that and they've specifically warned the
> > thru-hiking community against doing it in recent years. Consequences
> could
> > involve a $5,000 fine.
> >
> > I don't know if anyone has actually been caught and fined, but given the
> > level of scrutiny that the Border Patrol is applying to the issue, it's
> > probably not worth the risk unless you like to live dangerously. The
> > workaround is to start at Hart's Pass, hike north about 35 miles to the
> > border, and come back. The good news is that section of trail is
> beautiful
> > and worth seeing twice.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:27:33 -0700
> > From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback
> > To: "'Sir Mix-a-lot'" <atetuna at gmail.com>,
> > <jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <BAY145-ds14E084486FE649BF25F4E7BD650 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Sir Mix-a-lot wrote:
> > >
> > This list is for the Pacific CREST Trail.
> > >
> >
> > Sir Mix-a-lot isn't just being pedantic. Well, ok, maybe he is, but there
> > is in fact a Pacific Coast Trail as well as a Pacific Crest Trail so you
> > don't want to get the two confused.
> >
> > Someone else recently asked a similar question so you might want to
> search
> > the list archives to see those answers, but the summary version is that
> > while the PCT is officially graded for and open to horses, the logistics
> of
> > the trail make it extremely challenging for a long-distance rider. It
> would
> > be a highly technical ride and should be attempted by only the most
> > experienced horsemen after a lot of research and scouting.
> >
> > To answer your specific question, you'd probably want to have a horse
> that
> > you've already extensively worked with. You and your horse will need to
> > have a very good relationship in order to ride the trail effectively and
> > safely. You could either lease or buy but you probably wouldn't want to
> > obtain a horse then hit the trail right away. You'll also need a truck
> and
> > trailer to help with logistics and maybe a friend to drive it.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:06:49 -0700
> > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2011 SOBO census
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <C3A9F6F3-C240-4D94-A3CB-243C16FBB446 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >
> > I'm curious. Why abandon your entire plan? Why not just start further
> > south or start a few weeks later. Do a shorter distance or a shorter
> > amount of time?
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > > Because of this year's hefty snowpack and ill prognosis for conditions
> > > in the Cascades come this July, I made the decision to abandon ship on
> > > a southbound attempt for this year.
> > > My temerity notwithstanding, I would like to take a poll to see who
> > > will be heading south this year and would kindly ask those planning to
> > > SOBO to respond with their proposed start date and plans for
> > > traversing the snow.
> > >
> > > Variety
> >
> >
> >
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