[pct-l] Current Snow Conditions, Forester Pass

Fri Jun 3 08:02:13 CDT 2011

Deb, thank you for your generous and careful elucidation. Your post is
exemplary of the many on this board of helpfulness, generosity,
thoughtfulness, and clear-thinking. How remarkable this board is for its
consistency in caring and courteous discourse -- whether in agreement,
disagreement, or analysis. I'm frequently leery of blog/boards because they
can so readily attract the "mosquito stings" and "rattlesnake buzzes" of
uncivil, ungracious, discourteous, and derisive comment. Luckily (and
mostly), this board's contributors demonstrate as you have how important it
is to keep the tone high. For me, who has crossed many a snowy mountain
range, your point-by-point helpful hints reminded me of some things I know
already, but also things I hadn't thought of -- and reminded me of other
advice I've been given, and so helped me re-contextualize. Excellent! Brava.

Best regards,

Charles (no trail name till 2012)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>wrote:

>
>
> Deb,
>
> Thanks for the after-action report your recommendations.  Very useful,
> specific, and informed, based on personal experience.
>
>
>
> Makes me want to take the course.  Sounds like a lot more fun than just the
> 3-day course in Desolation Wilderness.   Maybe next year.
>
>
>
> Mango
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Marie" <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2011 8:08:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Current Snow Conditions, Forester Pass
>
> I recently completed Ned's snow advanced course from Kennedy Meadows to
> Onion Valley/Independence.
>
> My deep gratitude to Mountain Ned and HR Huff-and-Puff for getting me thru
> the trail and back to our cars safely.  No way would I do such a trek alone.
>
> What I learned (and I'm a small woman....):
>
> 1. Obviously, be prepared. When my partner left midway (elevation sickness)
> I only had map and compass.  The GPS is such a wonderful instrument, but I
> wouldn't have begun to understand the map as well as I did without Mtn Ned
> and HR were discussing the trail conditions every day.  Make sure you look
> UP in the direction you need to head, besides looking down at your feet.
>
> 2. Be well-balanced.  I cannot repeat this rule enough. My first trek thru
> Washington in snow last year I was miserable in trail runners only. This
> year I had Merrell leather boots and aluminum crampons. (Side note: BEFORE
> leaving the store, check the sizes of both pieces of footware - my left
> crampon was packaged incorrectly as a larger size, which I didn't try on
> before leaving the store, and we had to patch it with duct tape to make it
> work for me. Still it slid off my heel unless I tightened the straps super
> tight.)  By well-balanced I mean that you will hardly ever be walking on
> flat snowy terrain. Traversing on snow bumps in hard all day long.
> Traversing on snowly slopes approaching 50 degrees of slope is downright
> scary. You want SECURE footing - HR tried the microspikes which worked for
> him going up/down snow bumps/slopes but just balled up with snow on the
> traverses. And you mostly do traverses since you are bypassing switchbacks
> in the trail
>  to save yourself mileage every day. Microspikes and aluminum crampons
> don't have a significant weight difference. Make the smart choice.
>
> 3. Take 1 1/2 times your normal daily food. I'm a section hiker and didn't
> eat all my foot - but you thru-hikers are going to be hungry. A hot
> breakfast and dinner will do wonders for your morale.
>
> 4. I was surprised by the amount of climbing I did in the snow. Even the
> saddles were murder for me because of all the snow bumps. I added a thousand
> feet to every day's official elevation profile, because I quickly became
> exhausted by day's end. Even slogging (I detest slogging!!!!!) thru meadows
> burned up so much of my energy. Frankly, going up the trail was almost the
> easiest of all walking because I was mentally prepared for the uphill
> climbs. The "so-called" flats almost drove me crazy.
>
> 5. Understand that you cannot always glissade (sp?) down from passes or
> ridges, because of tree exposure and rocks, so you will spend energy walking
> down on your heels.
>
> 6. Water is not always easily available in the snow. I would recommend you
> carry 2 bottles so you can always empty one (by drinking) and re-filling
> whenever you cross a small stream. Getting water from small streams is SO
> much safer than water for a big water crossing. At one big water crossing, I
> filled my platypus and bottles while Ned held onto my jacket and HR held
> onto Ned's legs to make sure none of us fell into the fast flowing creek.
> I'm small and carried a liter and a half at most, but I frequently got
> thirsty and dehydrated. Fill up regularly with easy water.
>
> 7. Wind is going to drive you crazy and  will almost always work against
> you. Ned taught us to read the clouds looking for storm warnings. But
> whenever you are crossing a flat expanse like Bighorn Plateau (a huge
> meadow) expect to work doubly hard. The wind blowing coming down Kearsarge
> Pass made me curse.
>
> 8. I hope you all are carrying stand-alone tents that you can anchor well
> with snow stakes. When my partner departed I was left trying to erect a
> Golite tarp tent. I never could get the bathtub up high enough to block the
> snow blowing into the tent. At one point, the inside of my tent looked like
> the game "Mousetrap" since I had cords hanging thru every loop trying to
> raise the bathtub. Then we rode out one stormy day (5 brief snowstorms that
> day) in our tents and I awoke from an hour's nap to find puddles of water
> everywhere from the sun's heat in the afternoon. Not fun. Take a stand-alone
> tent, anchor the windward side with your snow axe and deadman those ice
> stakes. And then you can sleep thru the midnight winds. (maybe....if your
> tent panels are not flapping all night like mine were.....)
>
> 9. Temps got into the low teens by morning. I slept in a base layer and a
> mid layer of fleece pants/tops, plus socks/down booties.  On top of 2 foams
> pads and an air torso pad. Still one night my feet were freezing until I
> added an extra pair of socks, a down jacket, and put a trash compacter bag
> and my maps (in a plastic bag) under my feet.
>
> 10. I'm home but suffering from a burned face, nostrils, and lips. And they
> hurt. I rubbed sunscreen and chapstick all over my face. I would recommend
> taking a mentholated rub like Vicks to use at night.
>
> 11. We three, Mountain Ned, HR Huff-and-Puff, and me, watched Marcus, Mason
> (Tightpants), and Finn go over Forester. Marcus cut the initial steps across
> the icy chute. When we got up there, Mountain Ned cut more steps to make the
> chute crossing more gradual.  There are 4 parts to the pass: the initial
> steep and icy slope - I lost count of the switchbacks Ned took me thru and I
> was so scared I couldn't look down; then you traverse a rocky/partly snowy
> trail (much easier) to the chute; then you have about 40 feet to cross the
> chute - but the steps are so incredibly helpful; then finally you complete
> the ascent up to the pass. Ned made a lower route than what the trio did
> before us.  Crampons will give you so much peace of mind thru all 4 parts of
> this pass.  Then you can enjoy glissading down on the other side.
>
> 12. I'm going to repeat that being well-balanced is SO key to snow travel.
> My backpack is a Golite Pinnacle. It shifted on me quite a few times on
> traverses that I almost (or did) fall. I now want something with a frame of
> some type.  Also my poles collapsed on me during some critical times. I'm
> not happy with them either.
>
> 13. My feet got wet in boots (socks got sweaty) and I got some heel
> blisters from the twisting your feet do all day on snow that I didn't have
> the first two days on dirt trails out of Kennedy Meadows, but I was SO glad
> I wasn't in trail runners.  I used trail runners in snowy Washington last
> summer and was miserable. The trail in snow turns to muddy rivers of mud
> quite often since the snow is melting daily. At least in my boots my feet
> were warm and mostly dry and I could make haste on the muddy trail with some
> confidence. Tightpants was using trail runners and crampons and said he
> wished he had boots since when he postholed his trail runners with crampons
> almost (or did) come off his feet at times.
>
> 14. Plastic bags over my socks didn't work for me. Increases the sweat,
> socks get more soaked.  The socks will dry better in the boots as you
> continue to walk without the plastic.  Take more socks than you think you
> will need. I took 4 pairs, keeping one pair as strictly sleep socks. Still
> it was hard to dry the wet pair during the cold windy day.
>
> 15. Take more hydration (gatorade, Emergen-C, whatever) than you think you
> will need. Eating noodle soup before breakfast and before dinner gave me
> extra salt and liquid.
>
> 16. Be prepared to change your schedule. You cannot call trail angels when
> you are stuck in the Sierra because of a storm. Waiting out storms while
> comfortable in your tent is wise. The trio before us walked during the day's
> snowstorms and commented later that they found out they were hiking south at
> one point. Constantly scan the terrain for landmarks that are on your maps
> to make sure you are headed in the right direction. Ned is right. When you
> are high, set your direction because you willl no longer be able to SEE
> those landmarks when you drop in elevation.
>
> 17. If you are planning on more than 1 mile/hour thru snow, you are being
> overly optimistic.  Yes you can do 15 mile days but think about how many
> hours you will be hiking.  Be smart and stop for re-fueling/water breaks
> often.
>
> 18. I used short gaiters. I wished I had tall gaiters when crossing
> streams.
>
> 19. Leaving camp later in the AM gives you time to dry out your gear before
> packing it. We were in such a hurry to get over Kearsarge pass on our last
> day that we left at 7:40 am.  For 10 days I was whittling down my pack
> weight and then on the last day my pack was super heavy from all the
> condensation. And Kearsarge was worse than Forester, in my opinion. The snow
> was deeper, the slopes steeper or rockier (loose shale), and once on the
> pass the winds were stronger. I wouldn't have made it over and down without
> Mountain Ned and HR Huff-and-Puff.  These are two great guys.  My deep
> gratitude to you both.
>
> 20. Would I do it again?   Ask me next year.  :)
>
> P.S.  There is a now a ranch down from Horseshoe Meadow whose owner (Julie)
> actually drove our buckets up for us.  Her website is Delacour-ranch.com.
> She was so helpful since the public road going up to Horseshoe Meadow was
> still closed as of June 1st.
>
> Good luck thru-hikers.  Don't wait for the snow to melt, if I can do it, so
> can you.
>
> Deb
>
>
>
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