[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 43, Issue 16
Dick Bingham
dick.bingham at gmail.com
Sat Jul 16 16:14:30 CDT 2011
Pity the hikers in the Stehekin region of the PCT
It has been raining hard for hours and shows no signs
of stopping...
Regards to all...
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> 1. Re: PCT Thru-Hike Southbound (Donna Saufley)
> 2. Re: First Thru-Hike 2012; Start Date? (Donna Saufley)
> 3. Re: JMT/Sierra Conditions? + Bear Ideas (Donna Saufley)
> 4. Re: Question (Patricia Dom?nguez)
> 5. Re: Question (Patricia Dom?nguez)
> 6. Re: PCT Thru-Hike Southbound (Scott Williams)
> 7. Ride needed-for Section O (Kenneth Schwarz)
> 8. Re: Question (Scott Williams)
> 9. Re: Question (Patricia Dom?nguez)
> 10. Re: Knee replacement (Keith Kurko)
> 11. Re: Ride needed-for Section O (Eric Lee)
> 12. Preferred tent (mkwart at gci.net)
> 13. Re: Preferred Tent (Jackie McDonnell)
> 14. Re: PCT Thru-Hike Southbound (Thelma Fredricksen)
> 15. Mammoth. Hotel 6 (John Casterline)
> 16. Re: Mammoth. Hotel 6 (Jackie McDonnell)
> 17. Re: PCT Thru-Hike Southbound (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 18. Re: Question (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 19. Re: Question (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 20. Re: First Thru-Hike 2012; Start Date?
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 21. Re: Preferred Tent (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 22. Re: Question (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 23. Re: Question (Patricia Dominguez)
> 24. Thru hikers (jomike at cot.net)
> 25. Update: PCT digitized base map project (PCT List)
> 26. Re: PCT Thru-Hike Southbound (David Thibault)
> 27. Re: Update: PCT digitized base map project (John Abela)
> 28. Bag/Quilt Warmth (John Abela)
> 29. Re: Preferred Tent (Jackie McDonnell)
> 30. Update Castle Crags/ Durnsmuir, Castela (-Mountain Goat-)
> 31. Preferred Tent (-Mountain Goat-)
> 32. PCT Thru-Hike Southbound (-Mountain Goat-)
> 33. A transpo problem (Sweeney, Phil)
> 34. snow sections P, Q, R? (anita griffin)
> 35. Re: Bag/Quilt Warmth (Swope Christopher)
> 36. Re: Knee replacement (sabra985)
> 37. Re: Bag/Quilt Warmth (CHUCK CHELIN)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:04:15 -0700
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thru-Hike Southbound
> To: "'Tavin Cope'" <tavinc253 at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001801cc4311$3a310d60$ae932820$@com>
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>
> Tavin,
>
> What I've heard is second hand information from those who've been in the
> Sierra backcountry in early winter. They related that the snow cover makes
> surfaces slick and treacherous, especially over passes. By spring and
> early
> summer when most nobos move through the snow has accumulated and there is a
> solid base to move over, at least until the melt-out. But when the first
> snows cover the rocks and trail, then melt and freeze, it's an
> unconsolidated slippery mess.
>
> Logistically you also must consider that the resupply depots in the Sierras
> that hikers depend upon will probably not be open when you get there, and
> the roads that lead out to civilization will also be closed. The amount of
> food you would have to carry would be enormous, adding to the difficulty
> exponentially.
>
> I know one hiker who did make it through the Sierras in early winter,
> crossing Forester Pass mid-November. He hired a mountaineering guide (to
> the tune of $300 a day) to get him through it. The conditions transformed a
> hike into a full-blown mountaineering expedition. It was very slow going.
>
> To use an overly-used phrase (reference to the Nat Geo PCT film), it's
> "EXTREME!"
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Tavin Cope
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:05 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Thru-Hike Southbound
>
> Hello Hikers,
> I've been seriously debating/ researching thru hiking the pct starting
> around Sept. 1 2011 southbound. I've completed several ultramarathons, some
> of which include one day pushes around st.helens, hood, and a two day trip
> on the wonderland trail (rainier). On the pct, like the other hikes Ive
> done
> I'd like to complete it ultralight and (fairly) fast 3-4 months. I realize
> that the pct is nothing compared to what Ive done, and that I have less
> than
> optimal preperation time. My question for the experienced masses, is this a
> difficult and daring plan, or just plain stupid? My two main concerns at
> this point are 1) weather and trail conditions in the fall months,
> especially in the sierras with the oncoming of snow and cold weather. The
> other obviously, 2) my resupply strategy and what resupply points are
> crucial. Any information on these concerns/ questions would be invaluable
> to
> me. Thank you.
> Happy Trails
> tavinc253 at gmail.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:26:12 -0700
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Thru-Hike 2012; Start Date?
> To: "'Jace Mullen'" <mullenj at bishopsstudent.org>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Jace,
>
> To reassure you, there are still a fair number of people starting the trail
> mid-May. Hiker Heaven is at mile 454, and it takes on average four weeks to
> get here from the southern terminus. We have around 10-20 hikers here
> mid-June. Check out this virtual "registry":
>
> http://postholer.com/hikerRegistry.php
>
> Have a great time with the planning and preparation!
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Jace Mullen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:52 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] First Thru-Hike 2012; Start Date?
>
> Hey Team.
>
> I am 17 years old and am planning on (if I can save the money) to hike
> the PCT as soon as I graduate from highschool. I live in San Diego so
> I can start pretty much the day after I graduate. The problem is that
> I don't graduate untill mid-may. I am a little bit worried that this
> might be too late to start.
>
> One of my worries is that because of the late start, the water caches
> that I have heard so many people rely on will be non-existant.
>
> My hope is that with a May 15-17th (ish) start I can catch up to the
> herd by kennedy meadows. Does this sound reasonable?
>
> Are there any other issues that I will run into with such a late start?
>
> Also, approximately how much should I be saving? I'm planning on
> getting a job at a gear shop or something to make money. I don't know
> if it will be enough though.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Jace
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:27:42 -0700
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] JMT/Sierra Conditions? + Bear Ideas
> To: "'Yoshihiro Murakami'" <completewalker at gmail.com>, "'Diane Soini
> of Santa Barbara Hikes'" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Especially when the announcer yells,
> "Gooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllll!
> " ;o)
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Yoshihiro Murakami
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:56 PM
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] JMT/Sierra Conditions? + Bear Ideas
>
> vuvuzuela
>
> http://bit.ly/nKq3bj
>
> Very noisy. So, I dislike to watch TV playing soccer.
> I am convinced that bear dislikes soccer.
>
>
>
> 2011/7/15 Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com
> >:
> > Marge, a vuvuzuela (hope I spelled it right) is an obnoxious plastic
> > horn. It was made famous when they had the World Cup soccer in South
> > Africa. People in the stadium played those obnoxious horns and it
> > sounded like a bazillion angry bees. Apparently the sound can get so
> > intense and reverberating and loud that it can blow your eardrums.
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> >> What is a "vuvuzuela"? When I hiked in Alaska many years ago, we
> >> had a
> >> whistle and we yodeled a lot.
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Marge (the old gal.)
> >
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>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:36:35 -0400
> From: Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Thanks very much Shroomer.
>
> I?m sure all the people we will meet in the way it?s going to be amazing.
> We
> just didn?t want to walk in a row of people.
>
> Would you recomend us a good map to buy for the Muis and High Sierra?
>
>
> All the best,
> Patricia
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > If you are strong backpackers, do anything on the John Muir Trail or
> north
> > of Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass and further on the PCT. It's all
> > stunning. In August there are people on those trails, but the mountains
> are
> > so knock your socks off gorgeous, that they are still worth doing.
> Follow
> > any of the side trails for more solitude, or make them your primary goal.
> > But if you're coming to SF, follow Muir and hit the High Sierra. And
> most
> > of the folks you meet in the back country, not all, but most, are
> > fascinating, and worth talking to. You won't be sorry.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> *Patricia Dom?nguez*
> *Artista Visual & Naturalista*
> P?gina web: www.patriciadominguez.com
> Contacto: CHI 02-5813422
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>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:39:23 -0400
> From: Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> >
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>
> Hi Eric,
>
>
> We aren?t such strong hikers. I have walked the Inca trail and some
> trekking
> in Nepal. Personally, I prefer to enjoy the landscapes and go slower. Maybe
> 6 - 7 hours per day? Do you think that it possible to go from Muir to High
> Sierra at that speed in 8 or 10 days?
>
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Patricia
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It would also help to know how far you're willing to walk each day, which
> > affects what's possible.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Abela
> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:28 PM
> > To: Patricia Dom?nguez
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> >
> > Consider the PCT is 2,663 mi (4,286 km) long... I think we would need
> > to know a bit more about "where" you are 'planning to hike for 10 days
> > in the PCT'. SoCal, Sierras, NorCal, OR, WA.... lots and lots of
> > sections you can hike, but it would be helpful if you could provide
> > some basis of where we should start to recommend :)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > We are planning our vacations and it has been very dificult for us to
> > find
> > > the information we need and maybe you can help us.
> > >
> > > We are planning to hike for 10 days in the PCT, and we would to know
> > which
> > > part to choose.
> > >
> > > As it?s a very long path and in August it can get too crowed, would
> > > ?somebody ?please recommend us a good spot to choose, quiet and
> > beautiful?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > > Patricia
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Patricia Dom?nguez*
> > > *Artista Visual & Naturalista*
> > > P?gina web: www.patriciadominguez.com
> > > Contacto: CHI 02-5813422
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> --
> *Patricia Dom?nguez*
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:46:23 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thru-Hike Southbound
> To: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAGxcj13Q8=6yqkX4rKk+uNsa5aQXDpBb6wWY8+2aRLW1GwZDSQ at mail.gmail.com
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>
> You'll probably be good until the Trinities and Marbles where you could get
> snow in Oct. I've been buried under 3 feet of snow in one dump in early
> Oct
> on Forester in the past, and you'll be coming through later than that. As
> everyone this year has found out, the weather is one of the most important
> factors, and one of the least predictable. If I had the time, and
> inclination, I'd prepare for snow, and just start running. You'll have a
> ball for as long as you can still hike the trails. Just be prepared to
> bail
> and not complete the High Sierra until next spring/summer.
>
> Sounds like fun if you leave yourself the freedom to bail rather than kill
> yourself.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:25:49 -0700
> From: "Kenneth Schwarz" <ksksksks at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ride needed-for Section O
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Im driving up from So Calif next Tuesday to hike Section O.
> I need aride back to my car.
> I can start at either end, Castella or Burney Falls,
> I can also bus to Redding.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:27:34 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> >
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>
> The Tom Harrison maps are the best overall for the John Muir Trail, but our
> own wonderful Halfmile, has put the entire PCT on the web for anyone to
> download. I've used them and they are great, but are of a closer view of
> the trail, and won't have so many of the side trails available to you. You
> may want to look into the Nat. Geographic maps that give a really big
> picture. Either way, you can do the trail in August just as slow as you
> want. Spending time up there is what you want to do. Hi recommendation
> for
> Lake Ediza at the base of the Minarets, and Iceberg and Cecil Lakes, a day
> hike from there. You will look eye level across the upper lake and watch
> the clouds blow by. Thor, Zeus, (you pick your tradition) could be
> standing
> on the peaks.
>
> Fabulous!
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Thanks very much Shroomer.
> >
> > I?m sure all the people we will meet in the way it?s going to be amazing.
> > We just didn?t want to walk in a row of people.
> >
> > Would you recomend us a good map to buy for the Muis and High Sierra?
> >
> >
> > All the best,
> > Patricia
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> If you are strong backpackers, do anything on the John Muir Trail or
> north
> >> of Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass and further on the PCT. It's all
> >> stunning. In August there are people on those trails, but the mountains
> are
> >> so knock your socks off gorgeous, that they are still worth doing.
> Follow
> >> any of the side trails for more solitude, or make them your primary
> goal.
> >> But if you're coming to SF, follow Muir and hit the High Sierra. And
> most
> >> of the folks you meet in the back country, not all, but most, are
> >> fascinating, and worth talking to. You won't be sorry.
> >>
> >> Shroomer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Patricia Dom?nguez*
> > *Artista Visual & Naturalista*
> > P?gina web: www.patriciadominguez.com
> > Contacto: CHI 02-5813422
> > US 9173733760
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:29:32 -0400
> From: Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CAPbfsfs=SjxEqG72rd_X_tKEVhr9BguqFFGE5SR4BUrAU-AiNQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Sounds perfect!
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Patricia
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The Tom Harrison maps are the best overall for the John Muir Trail, but
> our
> > own wonderful Halfmile, has put the entire PCT on the web for anyone to
> > download. I've used them and they are great, but are of a closer view of
> > the trail, and won't have so many of the side trails available to you.
> You
> > may want to look into the Nat. Geographic maps that give a really big
> > picture. Either way, you can do the trail in August just as slow as you
> > want. Spending time up there is what you want to do. Hi recommendation
> for
> > Lake Ediza at the base of the Minarets, and Iceberg and Cecil Lakes, a
> day
> > hike from there. You will look eye level across the upper lake and watch
> > the clouds blow by. Thor, Zeus, (you pick your tradition) could be
> standing
> > on the peaks.
> >
> > Fabulous!
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks very much Shroomer.
> >>
> >> I?m sure all the people we will meet in the way it?s going to be
> amazing.
> >> We just didn?t want to walk in a row of people.
> >>
> >> Would you recomend us a good map to buy for the Muis and High Sierra?
> >>
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >> Patricia
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you are strong backpackers, do anything on the John Muir Trail or
> >>> north of Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass and further on the PCT. It's
> all
> >>> stunning. In August there are people on those trails, but the
> mountains are
> >>> so knock your socks off gorgeous, that they are still worth doing.
> Follow
> >>> any of the side trails for more solitude, or make them your primary
> goal.
> >>> But if you're coming to SF, follow Muir and hit the High Sierra. And
> most
> >>> of the folks you meet in the back country, not all, but most, are
> >>> fascinating, and worth talking to. You won't be sorry.
> >>>
> >>> Shroomer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Patricia Dom?nguez*
> >> *Artista Visual & Naturalista*
> >> P?gina web: www.patriciadominguez.com
> >> Contacto: CHI 02-5813422
> >> US 9173733760
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> *Patricia Dom?nguez*
> *Artista Visual & Naturalista*
> P?gina web: www.patriciadominguez.com
> Contacto: CHI 02-5813422
> US 9173733760
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:45:00 -0700
> From: "Keith Kurko" <kwkurko at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Knee replacement
> To: <Madmxe at aol.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Four months, but you keep feeling better and stronger as every month goes
> by.
>
> I had the same concerns as you. But don't worry too much. The outcome of
> your knee replacement surgery will ultimately be a positive experience.
>
>
> Cheers,
> WetLoon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Madmxe at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:46 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Knee replacement
>
> I am worried I am heading down this path. Surgery on meniscus and Orthovisc
> are not working well. How long until you were able to do short hikes after
> the surgery?
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2011 9:34:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> kwkurko at comcast.net writes:
>
> had my left knee replaced five years ago, and have hiked and backpacked
> extensively since then. It feels great. It took about ten months after
> surgery to completely heal up.
>
> A friend of mine with an artificial knee climbed Mount Rainer last year
> (about 8,000 feet of continuous elevation gain, mostly straight up!)
>
> I feel fortunate to live at a time in history and a place in the world
> that
> has allowed me the extraordinary fortune to benefit from this amazing
> technology. :-)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> WetLoon
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:46:53 -0600
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ride needed-for Section O
> To: Kenneth Schwarz <ksksksks at cox.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> It so happens that I might be dropping a box at Castella then driving to
> Burney Falls next Tuesday. That's not 100% sure yet but I'll follow up with
> you privately.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Schwarz
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:25 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Ride needed-for Section O
>
> Im driving up from So Calif next Tuesday to hike Section O.
> I need aride back to my car.
> I can start at either end, Castella or Burney Falls,
> I can also bus to Redding.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Ken
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:17:09 -0800 (AKDT)
> From: mkwart at gci.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Preferred tent
> To: brianavalorosi at yahoo.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey, Brian:
>
> Since you expressed an interest in getting an enclosed tent like the Big
> Agnes Seedhouse, I'll tell you my experience. I use an REI Quarterdome
> T1. I have used it successfully for 2000 miles of backpacking--most of
> that on the PCT. I like it because it has a very small footprint and can
> be deployed in very tight areas--like when I had to make camp on the
> Arizona Trail last March before a rapidly approaching nasty storm on a
> narrow ridge between cactus. It can also be set up with out the rainfly
> in the desert. The full rain fly provides good coverage for storing your
> pack in the rain. I replaced the stakes with titanium ones--the tent
> (with poles, rainfly and tetn body) weighs 2 pounds 9 oz. I carry a
> gossamer gear groundcloth which weighs 1.95 oz.
>
> It also is very sturdy when the rainfly is put on and staked down
> securely. I weathered a tremendous windstorm in Arrastre Camp outside of
> Big Bear on the PCT last year. My tent did fine--I reinforced the
> stakedown with large rocks. A guy who was camped near me with a Big
> Agnes Seedpod didn't fare as well--when I saw the next morning after the
> windstorm that he was literally wrapped in his tent--it had totally self
> destructed in the huge winds.
>
> This tent is inexpensive, too. It has held up very well. I spent 5 days
> in rain in Washington--the bathtub floor held up well. Especially in
> wind and rain I have been glad I have it.
>
> --Fireweed
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:29:43 -0500
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preferred Tent
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hello Briana -
>
> I've seen many Seedhouse tents on the PCT.
>
> I considered the Seedhouse for my last hike, but I ended up choosing a
> different tent. The two things about the Seedhouse which I did not like:
>
> (1) The placement of the door at the head of the tent is not for me. I do
> not like having to crawl into and out of my tent. I much prefer tents with
> a side door.
>
> (2) The specs for the Seedhouse list a 38" height. But that's misleading.
> See how the walls of the tent meet at the top with a very narrow ceiling?
> Sure, the top may be 38" high, but the narrow space between the walls at
> the top caused my head to be sandwiched between the tent walls when I sat
> up.
>
> I prefer to spend a few extra ounces and have a tent with specs which work
> for me.
>
> Regardless of which tent you use, I recommend you go to a store where you
> can set it up, get inside it with a sleeping bag and a pack, lay down, sit
> up, get in, get out -- basically try out the tent in the store before
> buying
> it.
>
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Briana Valorosi
> <brianavalorosi at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > Hello. Im preparing to thru-hike the PCT Southbound 2012. As i have been
> > looking into ultralight tents, i have found so many to choose from and
> > thought the best recommendations would come from hikers! Im looking into
> the
> > Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1 coming in at 2lbs 3oz....It seems like an
> extremely
> > light tent for me, but if anyone has better recommendations for an
> enclosed
> > tent- not tarp shelter or bivy. Thank you!
> > Also- Putting this out into the Universe: Im currently planning my hike
> > solo but would much rather prefer to have a partner or group, either thru
> > hiking Southbound or groups that i can meet up with that may section
> hike?
> > 'There is No Shortcut to Any Place Worth Going.'
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:46:12 -0700
> From: Thelma Fredricksen <thelma.fredricksen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thru-Hike Southbound
> To: Tavin Cope <tavinc253 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <F605E758-148F-463B-A065-909B7E402218 at gmail.com>
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> I haven't thru hiked the PCT (yet), but have spent a lot of time in the
> Sierra backcountry. By Sept. 15th you have to be thinking about possible
> snow storms. It just depends on that year's weather, but the Sierra's are
> nothing to mess with. Trails are remote and high in the central portion.
> Accessibility by roads closes down either early or late depending on the
> weather. Businesses serving the high country close starting in September.
> The advice to come back to the Sierras after the winter has passed is good
> advice.
> Thelma-ma
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Tavin Cope <tavinc253 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Hikers,
> > I've been seriously debating/ researching thru hiking the pct starting
> > around Sept. 1 2011 southbound. I've completed several ultramarathons,
> some
> > of which include one day pushes around st.helens, hood, and a two day
> trip
> > on the wonderland trail (rainier). On the pct, like the other hikes Ive
> done
> > I'd like to complete it ultralight and (fairly) fast 3-4 months. I
> realize
> > that the pct is nothing compared to what Ive done, and that I have less
> than
> > optimal preperation time. My question for the experienced masses, is this
> a
> > difficult and daring plan, or just plain stupid? My two main concerns at
> > this point are 1) weather and trail conditions in the fall months,
> > especially in the sierras with the oncoming of snow and cold weather. The
> > other obviously, 2) my resupply strategy and what resupply points are
> > crucial. Any information on these concerns/ questions would be invaluable
> to
> > me. Thank you.
> > Happy Trails
> > tavinc253 at gmail.com
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:16:37 -0700
> From: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Mammoth. Hotel 6
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Anyone have a good adress for Hotel 6 in Mammoth? I used the one below
> and they told me I needed a PO box
>
> C/O Motel 6
> ATTN: Hold for John Casterline, PCT Hiker
> 3372 Main St.
> Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546
>
> John's American Lung Association site lungcancerhike.org
>
> John Casterline
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:22:34 -0500
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mammoth. Hotel 6
> To: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> About a month ago, I got an email from the former hiker-friendly GM of that
> Motel 6. He has moved to Pennsylvania. He said he informed the new GM
> regarding PCT hikers, but I'd highly recommend calling to confirm that they
> will hold your box before sending it.
>
> The Main Street address is for UPS. If you're using USPS, you'll need the
> PO Box 1260. But, again, be sure to call to confirm the Motel will still
> hold PCT boxes.
>
> yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Anyone have a good adress for Hotel 6 in Mammoth? I used the one below
> > and they told me I needed a PO box
> >
> > C/O Motel 6
> > ATTN: Hold for John Casterline, PCT Hiker
> > 3372 Main St.
> > Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546
> >
> > John's American Lung Association site lungcancerhike.org
> >
> > John Casterline
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:37:54 -0700
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thru-Hike Southbound
> To: Tavin Cope <tavinc253 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Are you starting at Manning Park and going SOBO ??
>
> PCT MOM
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 07:52:55 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> You need not to buy.
>
> You can download JMT topo maps from http://bit.ly/qAJIbF
> and PCT maps from http://bit.ly/pEoldv
>
>
>
>
> 2011/7/16 Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>:
> > Thanks very much Shroomer.
> >
> > I?m sure all the people we will meet in the way it?s going to be amazing.
> We
> > just didn?t want to walk in a row of people.
> >
> > Would you recomend us a good map to buy for the Muis and High Sierra?
> >
> >
> > All the best,
> > Patricia
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> If you are strong backpackers, do anything on the John Muir Trail or
> north
> >> of Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass and further on the PCT. ?It's all
> >> stunning. ?In August there are people on those trails, but the mountains
> are
> >> so knock your socks off gorgeous, that they are still worth doing.
> ?Follow
> >> any of the side trails for more solitude, or make them your primary
> goal.
> >> ?But if you're coming to SF, follow Muir and hit the High Sierra. ?And
> most
> >> of the folks you meet in the back country, not all, but most, are
> >> fascinating, and worth talking to. ?You won't be sorry.
> >>
> >> Shroomer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Patricia Dom?nguez*
> > *Artista Visual & Naturalista*
> > P?gina web: www.patriciadominguez.com
> > Contacto: CHI 02-5813422
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?US 9173733760
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>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro? ? ( Yoshihiro Murakami ????? )
> Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
> Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> 2009 JMT, the first America.
> 2010 JMT, the second America.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 08:16:30 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> >
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> Dear Patricia
>
> Outline map of JMT
>
> http://bit.ly/mXTkKi
> http://bit.ly/q7HJ59
>
> Whole JMT is too long for you. 1/3 or 1/4 may be suitable for slow
> hiking. Consult to the Wild Office for the permission at Yosemite, Red
> Meadow, Biship, Independence, etc.
>
> Yosemite trail head information: http://1.usa.gov/ouXit0 Already full
> for permit reservation, but a quota ( first-come, first-served ) is
> available.
>
> I think the pass over 10000 feet may be covered by snowpack, but I do
> not think it is a big difficulty or trouble.
>
> My wife and I will fly to USA and hike JMT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2011/7/16 Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>:
> > You need not to buy.
> >
> > You can download JMT topo maps from http://bit.ly/qAJIbF
> > and PCT maps from http://bit.ly/pEoldv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/7/16 Patricia Dom?nguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>:
> >> Thanks very much Shroomer.
> >>
> >> I?m sure all the people we will meet in the way it?s going to be
> amazing. We
> >> just didn?t want to walk in a row of people.
> >>
> >> Would you recomend us a good map to buy for the Muis and High Sierra?
> >>
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >> Patricia
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you are strong backpackers, do anything on the John Muir Trail or
> north
> >>> of Tuolumne Meadows to Sonora Pass and further on the PCT. ?It's all
> >>> stunning. ?In August there are people on those trails, but the
> mountains are
> >>> so knock your socks off gorgeous, that they are still worth doing.
> ?Follow
> >>> any of the side trails for more solitude, or make them your primary
> goal.
> >>> ?But if you're coming to SF, follow Muir and hit the High Sierra. ?And
> most
> >>> of the folks you meet in the back country, not all, but most, are
> >>> fascinating, and worth talking to. ?You won't be sorry.
> >>>
> >>> Shroomer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Patricia Dom?nguez*
> >> *Artista Visual & Naturalista*
> >> P?gina web: www.patriciadominguez.com
> >> Contacto: CHI 02-5813422
> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?US 9173733760
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely
> > --------------- --------------------------------------
> > Hiro? ? ( Yoshihiro Murakami ????? )
> > Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
> > Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> > Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> > 2009 JMT, the first America.
> > 2010 JMT, the second America.
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro? ? ( Yoshihiro Murakami ????? )
> Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
> Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking since about 1980 in Japan
> 2009 JMT, the first America.
> 2010 JMT, the second America.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:45:51 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Thru-Hike 2012; Start Date?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> That is a totally reasonable start date. There will still be water
> caches. You should never rely on them. Nobody should rely on them. It
> was not long ago that there were no water caches and people still
> managed to hike the PCT without them.
>
> Diane
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > Hey Team.
> >
> > I am 17 years old and am planning on (if I can save the money) to hike
> > the PCT as soon as I graduate from highschool. I live in San Diego so
> > I can start pretty much the day after I graduate. The problem is that
> > I don't graduate untill mid-may. I am a little bit worried that this
> > might be too late to start.
> >
> > One of my worries is that because of the late start, the water caches
> > that I have heard so many people rely on will be non-existant.
> >
> > My hope is that with a May 15-17th (ish) start I can catch up to the
> > herd by kennedy meadows. Does this sound reasonable?
> >
> > Are there any other issues that I will run into with such a late
> > start?
> >
> > Also, approximately how much should I be saving? I'm planning on
> > getting a job at a gear shop or something to make money. I don't know
> > if it will be enough though.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Jace
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:47:27 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preferred Tent
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <7F40880F-9949-4B81-BBB4-1FFD58DA2C7E at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>
> Among most of us, ultralight is NOT 2lbs 3oz for a tent. Check out
> the Tarptent brand, Gossamer Gear, Lightheart Gear, 6 Moons Designs
> and others. This is what most thru-hikers use. Most section hikers
> use something more like the Big Agnes tent, though. So whatever
> floats your boat. But at that weight, it's not ultralight unless it's
> big enough for 2.
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > Hello. Im preparing to thru-hike the PCT Southbound 2012. As i have
> > been looking into ultralight tents, i have found so many to choose
> > from and thought the best recommendations would come from hikers!
> > Im looking into the Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1 coming in at 2lbs
> > 3oz....It seems like an extremely light tent for me, but if anyone
> > has better recommendations for an enclosed tent- not tarp shelter
> > or bivy. Thank you!
> > Also- Putting this out into the Universe: Im currently planning my
> > hike solo but would much rather prefer to have a partner or group,
> > either thru hiking Southbound or groups that i can meet up with
> > that may section hike??
> > 'There is No Shortcut to Any Place Worth Going.'
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:08:05 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <4DDFF0B1-E6D0-4A83-8680-7CCD4B0C4A30 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>
> Maybe it's easier what NOT to recommend. I don't recommend any of the
> following for your August hike:
>
> - Anything south of Cottonwood Pass
> - Anything between Lassen National Park and Burney Falls State Park
> - The section between White Pass and Snoqualmie Pass in Washington
> - The John Muir Trail section (you said you wanted not too crowded)
>
> Everything else is delightful. And everything on the above list
> (except the section I mentioned in Washington which is only awful
> because of the clear-cuts and overgrown trail) is lovely, just not in
> August or to meet your requirements for solitude.
>
> Diane
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > Thanks for answering.
> >
> > Our idea is to walk for 8 or 10 days in a place with beautiful
> > landscapes, animals, with river or lakes.Nothing too dificult... We
> > haven't had vacations in two years so just want to relax for a
> > while and connect with nature.
> >
> > We are going to be flying from NY to San Fco, to stay in a friends
> > house, so it will be great to go somewhere near there.
> >
> > Can you recomend us a starting and ending point and how to get there?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> > Patricia
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:15:53 -0400
> From: Patricia Dominguez <mpdoming at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <8E5C62EF-3A89-4AEC-B2C3-34F0E56011EB at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Thanks Diane! We will keep this in mind when we decide tomorrow which part
> of the PCT to wallk
>
> :)
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it's easier what NOT to recommend. I don't recommend any of the
> > following for your August hike:
> >
> > - Anything south of Cottonwood Pass
> > - Anything between Lassen National Park and Burney Falls State Park
> > - The section between White Pass and Snoqualmie Pass in Washington
> > - The John Muir Trail section (you said you wanted not too crowded)
> >
> > Everything else is delightful. And everything on the above list
> > (except the section I mentioned in Washington which is only awful
> > because of the clear-cuts and overgrown trail) is lovely, just not in
> > August or to meet your requirements for solitude.
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> >> Hi John
> >>
> >> Thanks for answering.
> >>
> >> Our idea is to walk for 8 or 10 days in a place with beautiful
> >> landscapes, animals, with river or lakes.Nothing too dificult... We
> >> haven't had vacations in two years so just want to relax for a
> >> while and connect with nature.
> >>
> >> We are going to be flying from NY to San Fco, to stay in a friends
> >> house, so it will be great to go somewhere near there.
> >>
> >> Can you recomend us a starting and ending point and how to get there?
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot!
> >> Patricia
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:27:08 -0700
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru hikers
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E3C559C66F6140E79D6435296E5E60AE at arewethereyePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I was day hiking with a group through part of Castle Crags on the PCT
> earlier today. We saw 6 thrus! Three young guys call themselves the Colorado
> Boys where looking great and mov'en right along. A couple from Australia
> were happy too and loving their hike, and, one single man, I've forgotten
> where he was from. Every one of them went through the Sierra and were really
> charming and delighted with their trips thus far. It was such a joy to meet
> them. They all must really be putting the miles down for this is the normal
> time for them to be coming through here. I would have thought they'd have
> been slowed down more. Didn't get the opportunity to visit long enough to
> get further information.
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:40:11 -0700
> From: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Update: PCT digitized base map project
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAOtJNzPEMneVPxy8NcWjOaA0WgGKT_DGt2xVG3OfvotQCDiuQw at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> This weeks update of the *test* images includes the addition of hill
> shading (3D) and lots of data adding/removal.
>
> Lots still to do!!!
>
> Also, as well as the base maps, I'm releasing 1:40K *test* images for
> all of California section B, with elevation profiles. If you were to
> print these (no need to) they'd be at a 1:40K scale on a 8.5x11 paper.
> However, zoom in on these hi-res 300dpi images with your favorite
> image viewer to be any scale you like.
>
> Ultimately, there will be full sets at 24K for printing and 40K as an
> optional (not alternate) supplement for those who carry digital
> devices.
>
> Section B:
> http://postholer.com/digi/B1.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/B2.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/B3.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/B4.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/B5.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/B6.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/B7.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/B8.png
>
> Arbitrary test base maps:
> http://postholer.com/digi/SpectacleLake_WA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/FireCrkPass_WA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/MtHood_OR.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/BadenPowell_CA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/1000IslandLake_CA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/BrownMtn_OR.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/LakeMorena_CA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/MtLaguna_CA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/SnowCyn_CA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/MtWhitney_CA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/LakeSilverwood_CA.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/McKenziePass_OR.png
> http://postholer.com/digi/3FingerJack_OR.png
>
> -postholer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:12:13 -0700
> From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thru-Hike Southbound
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAD-wsesvCSg_W2g64kxLoZBGGcPNprfNPCpP=iS68W4RP-tWQQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> While I would never say anything is impossible - I would say this plan is
> highly unlikely to be accomplished.
>
> You will have difficulty getting through the Serria's by November. Then
> you
> will have to go over Baden Powel and the mountains above Palm springs in
> the
> dead of winter.
>
> If you do not have serious mountaineering skills/experience you should not
> even consider it as you could be risking other lives in their attempt to
> rescue you.
>
>
>
> Day-Late
>
>
>
>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 27
> >
> > Hello Hikers,
> > I've been seriously debating/ researching thru hiking the pct starting
> > around Sept. 1 2011 southbound. I've completed several ultramarathons,
> some
> > of which include one day pushes around st.helens, hood, and a two day
> trip
> > on the wonderland trail (rainier). On the pct, like the other hikes Ive
> > done
> > I'd like to complete it ultralight and (fairly) fast 3-4 months. I
> realize
> > that the pct is nothing compared to what Ive done, and that I have less
> > than
> > optimal preperation time. My question for the experienced masses, is this
> a
> > difficult and daring plan, or just plain stupid? My two main concerns at
> > this point are 1) weather and trail conditions in the fall months,
> > especially in the sierras with the oncoming of snow and cold weather. The
> > other obviously, 2) my resupply strategy and what resupply points are
> > crucial. Any information on these concerns/ questions would be invaluable
> > to
> > me. Thank you.
> > Happy Trails
> > tavinc253 at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:15:45 -0700
> From: John Abela <abela at johnabela.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Update: PCT digitized base map project
> To: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAJZPo3Uzf0YXzRV5wJKEtXomR-An0sTiR=XUbzE=BcoTbshokQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Very sweet update!!
>
> I keep meaning to recommend you color the pct trail in red rather than
> black, so having it be blue now helps a lot.
>
> The shading is a nice update as well. Adds helpful terrain details.
>
> The elevations on the bottom is super sweet. A nice next step to being
> able to produce full on trail maps.
>
> John
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:40 PM, PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This weeks update of the *test* images includes the addition of hill
> > shading (3D) and lots of data adding/removal.
> >
> > Lots still to do!!!
> >
> > Also, as well as the base maps, I'm releasing 1:40K *test* images for
> > all of California section B, with elevation profiles. If you were to
> > print these (no need to) they'd be at a 1:40K scale on a 8.5x11 paper.
> > However, zoom in on these hi-res 300dpi images with your favorite
> > image viewer to be any scale you like.
> >
> > Ultimately, there will be full sets at 24K for printing and 40K as an
> > optional (not alternate) supplement for those who carry digital
> > devices.
> >
> > Section B:
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B1.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B2.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B3.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B4.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B5.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B6.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B7.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/B8.png
> >
> > Arbitrary test base maps:
> > http://postholer.com/digi/SpectacleLake_WA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/FireCrkPass_WA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/MtHood_OR.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/BadenPowell_CA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/1000IslandLake_CA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/BrownMtn_OR.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/LakeMorena_CA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/MtLaguna_CA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/SnowCyn_CA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/MtWhitney_CA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/LakeSilverwood_CA.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/McKenziePass_OR.png
> > http://postholer.com/digi/3FingerJack_OR.png
> >
> > -postholer
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:58:03 -0700
> From: John Abela <abela at johnabela.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bag/Quilt Warmth
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <CAJZPo3Ww0QnbSnYBmWYTYikzJYEbjECy4ALX4MH6Nr+1eLxC-A at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Hello All,
>
> I just wanted to throw out a question and see what everybody feels
> about the issue of what temp bag/quilt you feel you should would use
> on the PCT if you were to (re)hike it in the next year or two.
>
> I realize that some folks sleep warm and some sleep cold, so my
> question is here is specifically what would *you* use?
>
> I also realize that a person could take a 40 degree bag and use it in
> combination with a WM/MB down jacket/pants to get a sub-freezing
> rating, so if you feel that is what you would do, by all means, share
> that as well.
>
> I will admit that, for me, this is perhaps one of the hardest issues I
> face each time I am planning a trip. I am often torn between whether I
> should take my highly beloved MontBell UL SuperSpiral #3 (a 30f bag)
> or my Nunatak Arc Ghost (32f quilt). I really really love my MBULSS
> but at 21 ounces verses 13 ounces for my Arc, its often a hard choice
> for me unless I know for sure its going to get sub freezing, at which
> point the MBULSS goes w/o hesitation.
>
> So, anyway, just wondering "if you were going to hike the PCT next
> year, which temperature bag would you take?"
>
> This is not a "what brand/model bag/quilt would you take"... but
> rather a "what temperature bag/quilt would you take" question - I
> think that is more important than the name on the bag/quilt, eh!
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 01:38:04 -0500
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preferred Tent
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CACK6q3GPmXQtYcf8kTBuJpKhsE7dwZibVKNBX8QYJ601HEtZrw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Diane - That's not true - you can't just lump most thru-hikers into one box
> and most section hikers into a different box.
>
> Yes, many thru-hikers use Tarptent, Gossamer, Six Moon Designs, etc. But
> there are a lot of thru-hikers who choose tents up to three pounds.
> There's
> nothing wrong with that. And 2 pounds 3 ounces is pretty darned light for
> a
> full-on double-wall *tent*.
>
> For the hiker who wants to carry just that kind of tent, the Big Agnes
> Seedhouse is ultralight. It might not be considered an ultralight
> *shelter*, but it is an ultralight *double-wall tent*.
>
> You can't compare apples to oranges.
>
> Briana - keep those questions coming!
>
> yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> > Among most of us, ultralight is NOT 2lbs 3oz for a tent. Check out
> > the Tarptent brand, Gossamer Gear, Lightheart Gear, 6 Moons Designs
> > and others. This is what most thru-hikers use. Most section hikers
> > use something more like the Big Agnes tent, though. So whatever
> > floats your boat. But at that weight, it's not ultralight unless it's
> > big enough for 2.
> > On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > > Hello. Im preparing to thru-hike the PCT Southbound 2012. As i have
> > > been looking into ultralight tents, i have found so many to choose
> > > from and thought the best recommendations would come from hikers!
> > > Im looking into the Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1 coming in at 2lbs
> > > 3oz....It seems like an extremely light tent for me, but if anyone
> > > has better recommendations for an enclosed tent- not tarp shelter
> > > or bivy. Thank you!
> > > Also- Putting this out into the Universe: Im currently planning my
> > > hike solo but would much rather prefer to have a partner or group,
> > > either thru hiking Southbound or groups that i can meet up with
> > > that may section hike??
> > > 'There is No Shortcut to Any Place Worth Going.'
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:51:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: -Mountain Goat- <themtgoat at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Update Castle Crags/ Durnsmuir, Castela
> To: pctl <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1310799098.43431.YahooMailClassic at web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Last Saturday, we took a hike on the PCT starting at Hwy 5, up the first 3
> miles or so of the PCT, then we went up to top of castle crags.
>
> You can see there is very little snow on the surrounding mountains. There
> was no snow, at least up to 6,000' which is as high as we got on the hike.
>
> The video is about 1 minute long. Enjoy.
> http://www.facebook.com/v/2178029620144
>
> -Mountain Goat-
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 00:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: -Mountain Goat- <themtgoat at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Preferred Tent
> To: pctl <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Cc: diane at santabarbarahikes.com, brianavalorosi at yahoo.com
> Message-ID:
> <1310799674.22486.YahooMailClassic at web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Greeting, Brian;
>
> In 2005, I took the Sierra Designs light year, at 3 LB 2oz. And it worked
> really well for me, but honestly, I am looking at trying to find a 2LB tent,
> as I continue my long distance hiking career.
>
> -Mountain Goat-
>
>
>
>
> Hello. Im preparing to thru-hike the PCT Southbound 2012. As i have
> been looking into ultralight tents, i have found so many to choose
> from and thought the best recommendations would come from hikers!
> Im looking into the Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1 coming in at 2lbs 3oz.
> ...It seems like an extremely light tent for me, but if anyone has
> ?better recommendations for an enclosed tent- not tarp shelter or
> bivy. Thank you!
>
> Also- Putting this out into the Universe: Im currently planning
> my hike solo but would much rather prefer to have a partner or
> group, either thru hiking Southbound or groups that i can meet
> up with that may section hike??
> 'There is No Shortcut to Any Place Worth Going.'
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 00:19:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: -Mountain Goat- <themtgoat at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Thru-Hike Southbound
> To: pctl <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1310800773.97661.YahooMailClassic at web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
> Hello Tavin;
>
> you asked a lot of questions, and you will get a number of different
> answers,
> so Ill throw my 2 cents in as well...I completed the PCT in 2005.
>
> It can snow any month of the Year in the Sierra, but as far as bad snows,
> October may start to get dicy. But its early enough in the season, that
> it probably will melt off. However, in November your Asking for
> trouble, in the Sierra, avoid it if you can...
>
> the resupply points depend on your strategy, and if you, like me mailed
> yourself
> packages at every resupply point, or if you want to buy as you go, or even
> some hybrid version of the two.
>
> I did a buy as you go plan, and this was my resupply strategy
> (Start at Boarder/Campo)
> Lagnuna
> Warner Springs
> Cazabon (I recomend Idlewild in retrospect)
> Big Bear
> Wildwood
> Agua Dulca
> Mojavy
> Kennedy Meadows
> Echo Lake
> Soda Springs/Pooh's Corner
> Sierra City
> Belden
> Old Station
> Castle (near Burney Falls)-this is an unusual resupply point.
> Castela
> Seiad Valley
> Ashland
> Creator Lake
> Elk Lake Resort
> Ollaie Lake Resort (is now closed)
> Cascade Locks
> Whites Pass/cracker Barrel
> Snowqualalime (sorry for the spelling )
> Steven's Pass (actually package was in Skykomish)
> Steheiken
>
> PLEASE VERIFY these locations, such as Yogi's handbook,
> some of them may be closed since I went...
>
> Best of luck, even putting this list together, brings back fond memories.
> I got to go, I am remembering the trail, and my fondness of it.
> -Mountain Goat-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Hikers,
> I've been seriously debating/ researching thru hiking the pct starting
> around Sept. 1 2011 southbound. I've completed several ultramarathons, some
> of which include one day pushes around st.helens, hood, and a two day trip
> on the wonderland trail (rainier). On the pct, like the other hikes Ive
> done
> I'd like to complete it ultralight and (fairly) fast 3-4 months. I realize
> that the pct is nothing compared to what Ive done, and that I have less
> than
> optimal preperation time. My question for the experienced masses, is this a
> difficult and daring plan, or just plain stupid? My two main concerns at
> this point are 1) weather and trail conditions in the fall months,
> especially in the sierras with the oncoming of snow and cold weather. The
> other obviously, 2) my resupply strategy and what resupply points are
> crucial. Any information on these concerns/ questions would be invaluable
> to
> me. Thank you.
> Happy Trails
> tavinc253 at gmail.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:13:02 -0500
> From: "Sweeney, Phil" <psweeney at hollandhall.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] A transpo problem
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAG-9Vpdd4SMzw6f1eEpVw6+i-xxTDTw4iD7v_atU8S8x=un8pg at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> This is a general request for help/guidance. Next Sat afternoon 7/23, we 3
> backpackers will need a ride from our car at McGee Creek Campground (McGee
> Pass TH) to our starting point at Mosquito Flat Campground (Mono Pass TH).
> This is a 30 mile ride. I'll pay $40 (obo). We could hitchhike but we'd
> hate to leave this up to chance on this lesser-traveled road. I've tried
> to
> call people at Tom's Place but they weren't interested. I sent an email to
> McGee Creek Packers, and even posted on Reno Craig's List. What would you
> do? Thanks for any suggestions. Phil
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 34
> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 22:58:00 -0600
> From: anita griffin <anita.griffin at live.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] snow sections P, Q, R?
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BLU157-w493BBA8550A9D07E0FAD9985480 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what snow levels to expect in sections P, Q, and R on
> July 24
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 04:59:33 -0500
> From: Swope Christopher <sswwooppee at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bag/Quilt Warmth
> To: John Abela <abela at johnabela.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <A3685878-5265-458D-8D86-B7AFAEA2EC88 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I'd go with the same 20 degree quilt I carried for the whole trail. I no
> issues whatsoever with it.
>
>
> Swope
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:58 PM, John Abela <abela at johnabela.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I just wanted to throw out a question and see what everybody feels
> > about the issue of what temp bag/quilt you feel you should would use
> > on the PCT if you were to (re)hike it in the next year or two.
> >
> > I realize that some folks sleep warm and some sleep cold, so my
> > question is here is specifically what would *you* use?
> >
> > I also realize that a person could take a 40 degree bag and use it in
> > combination with a WM/MB down jacket/pants to get a sub-freezing
> > rating, so if you feel that is what you would do, by all means, share
> > that as well.
> >
> > I will admit that, for me, this is perhaps one of the hardest issues I
> > face each time I am planning a trip. I am often torn between whether I
> > should take my highly beloved MontBell UL SuperSpiral #3 (a 30f bag)
> > or my Nunatak Arc Ghost (32f quilt). I really really love my MBULSS
> > but at 21 ounces verses 13 ounces for my Arc, its often a hard choice
> > for me unless I know for sure its going to get sub freezing, at which
> > point the MBULSS goes w/o hesitation.
> >
> > So, anyway, just wondering "if you were going to hike the PCT next
> > year, which temperature bag would you take?"
> >
> > This is not a "what brand/model bag/quilt would you take"... but
> > rather a "what temperature bag/quilt would you take" question - I
> > think that is more important than the name on the bag/quilt, eh!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
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> Message: 36
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 06:23:12 -0400
> From: sabra985 <sabra985 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Knee replacement
> To: Sharon Hasper <sharonhasper at earthlink.net>
> Cc: PCT l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> In Dec 2006, I had an ACL reconstruction, which is not a knee replacement,
> but I think the PT that follows has many similarities. My first "hike" was
> about a month after surgery - it was a quarter mile up to a cabin, where I
> spent the entire weekend - I HAD to get out of the house, but both I and my
> friend who suggested the trip and went with me recognized that this was
> incredibly dangerous and one slip could mean that I'd potentially land back
> in surgery (but, I rationalized, better only one month into recovery than
> four and half).
>
> Admittedly, I started feeling a LOT better by 3 months post-op and realized
> that I needed to give custody of my hiking boots to someone more
> responsible
> than myself :) so that I wouldn't be tempted to go out and end up wrecking
> my knee (as I recall, 3 months into recovery is when the knee feels
> stronger
> but it's actually at its weakest in the healing process).
>
> I was cleared for "normal activities" in May '07 (and I explained to my OS
> that MY "normal" is not necessarily a normal normal, haha), so I did my
> first triathlon in June. In Feb, '08, a little over a year post-op, I hiked
> up Mt. Washington (NH) (with a CTi2 brace). In 2008, I did a 2 week bike
> ride on the West Coast, from Seattle to SF, about 1,000 miles, and
> thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2009. My plan was to complete the PCT
> this year, but conditions were not favorable - I only did 650 miles. I
> hardly had any problems with my knee this year on the trail - probably a
> combination of a nicer trail and somewhat lower packweight.
>
> DEFINITELY do the exercises they give you, every day, even on the days
> you'd
> rather blow it off. I'm glad I did - I have a friend who had an ACL
> reconstruction about the same time as me, but he was lazy about his PT and
> he has more trouble with his knee now. My knees will never be equal again -
> there's always just a little residual pain when I climb stairs or steep
> trails - I only just barely register it. I've recently found, though, that
> massage therapy helps a lot with that.
>
> Good luck...you'll be back on the trail before you know it.
> ~Evenstar
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Sharon Hasper
> <sharonhasper at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
> > I've completed several long section hikes on the PCT, but now I'm facing
> a
> > knee replacement. I would appreciate hearing from hikers who have hiked
> > after a knee replacement. Your experiences and suggestions would be
> helpful.
> >
> > Sharon
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> Message: 37
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 07:51:46 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bag/Quilt Warmth
> To: John Abela <abela at johnabela.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Good morning, John,
>
> For the early-season south and the late-season north, I generally use a bag
> at the lower end of the scale ? in my case a 15 deg. down bag. At 32 oz.
> it?s heavier than what I could use but, 1) It?s what I have, 2) I like it,
> 3) I?m old and don?t sleep as warmly as I used to, 4) I sleep under the
> stars without any shelter or windbreak -- except when its likely to rain ?
> and, significantly, 5) I don?t carry much in the way of warm, sit-around
> clothes such as long pants or puffy jacket. When I walk ? I?m warm. When
> I
> stop after a long day I crawl in the bag. That works for me, but some may
> argue it?s better to carry a lighter bag and correspondingly more clothes
> for the same effect.
>
> There?s a saying among ultra-lite hikers, ?On a cold night if you don?t
> sleep wearing everything you brought, then you brought too much.? This is
> advice for a hiker who wishes to use a bag/robe in the 30-35 deg. range but
> knows that overnight temperatures may occasionally get as low as the
> mid-20s
> F, and frost on the bag in the morning is common, particularly for an
> under-the-stars sleeper. Maybe that?s good advice, but the greatest gain
> in
> overall warmth vs. weight will be had by adding a few ounces of down to the
> bag/robe rather than by adding those same ounces in the form of a jacket
> which also brings the extra ? but unavoidable ? weight of the inner/outer
> shells plus zippers, snaps, and pockets, etc. If a person is absolutely,
> positively certain they?re going to carry a warm, sit-around jacket and
> maybe pants anyway, by all means make them do double-duty by adding warmth
> to a lighter sleeping bag/robe.
>
> For those among you that don?t have experience sleeping under a robe I say
> try one before you decide. Robes are potentially the lightest sleeping
> arrangement because they eliminate the mostly-useless layers beneath, and
> they eliminate the weight of zippers, etc. but they do have some
> peculiarities: Some people can?t/won?t adapt to the free edges. If they
> toss and turn at night things could get drafty, even with a boxed toe.
> Strangely,
> and the opposite of claustrophobia, some people like the security of an
> enclosed bag much the same as they like the security of an enclosed tent;
> relying upon that layer of rip-stop nylon to protect them from, ??goulies
> and ghosties and long-legged beasties and things that go bump in the
> night??.
> Some people don?t like the feel of sleeping directly on the pad beneath.
> My
> pads are thin, closed-cell foam and I sleep in my hiking shorts and
> shirt. With
> dried sweat and accumulated trail-grunge the result can be an unpleasant
> ?sticky? feel against the pad. Yes, I know Momma said always bathe before
> bed, and to never sleep in day-clothes, but Momma probably isn?t an
> ultra-lite, long-distance hiker.
>
> Those ? like me ? who sleep without an enclosed tent, should consider ants
> before choosing a robe. On the PCT ants are ubiquitous, but variable.
> More
> of an irritant than a problem they have a much greater opportunity to crawl
> under the edge of a robe than eventually find the top opening of a bag.
>
> So? how does one try a robe before the hike without committing a good chunk
> of money to the experiment? One (semi)good way is to try sleeping on your
> pad in your hiking clothes, but under a regular bag -- unzipped, with the
> opening on the bottom. However, most people won?t choose to avoid bathing
> for a month just to improve the simulation.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> -http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> -http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:58 PM, John Abela <abela at johnabela.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I just wanted to throw out a question and see what everybody feels
> > about the issue of what temp bag/quilt you feel you should would use
> > on the PCT if you were to (re)hike it in the next year or two.
> >
> > I realize that some folks sleep warm and some sleep cold, so my
> > question is here is specifically what would *you* use?
> >
> > I also realize that a person could take a 40 degree bag and use it in
> > combination with a WM/MB down jacket/pants to get a sub-freezing
> > rating, so if you feel that is what you would do, by all means, share
> > that as well.
> >
> > I will admit that, for me, this is perhaps one of the hardest issues I
> > face each time I am planning a trip. I am often torn between whether I
> > should take my highly beloved MontBell UL SuperSpiral #3 (a 30f bag)
> > or my Nunatak Arc Ghost (32f quilt). I really really love my MBULSS
> > but at 21 ounces verses 13 ounces for my Arc, its often a hard choice
> > for me unless I know for sure its going to get sub freezing, at which
> > point the MBULSS goes w/o hesitation.
> >
> > So, anyway, just wondering "if you were going to hike the PCT next
> > year, which temperature bag would you take?"
> >
> > This is not a "what brand/model bag/quilt would you take"... but
> > rather a "what temperature bag/quilt would you take" question - I
> > think that is more important than the name on the bag/quilt, eh!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
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