[pct-l] PCT thru timing for 2012

[ned at mountaineducation.org]

Scott (Postholer),

We have known each other for two years. You have been gracious to allow us 
to reach, educate, offer skills training courses and information about them, 
and discuss other safety-related snow-hiking topics via your Postholer site 
for those two years. We invited you to join us, once, but you declined, 
saying that you're not a fan of the snow. For your hosting, we thank you.

It is a sad day when you respond to our dissenting voice (our opinions do 
not agree) by blocking viewers from seeing our Forum on your site. You 
certainly have that right; it is your site. For everyone else in our hiking 
community, this is what Scott decided to do:

"Hey Ned,

I've changed the status on your forum so only you can view/edit etc:
http://postholer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25

I feel so strongly that you are promoting incredibly bad advice that I
do not wish to have the postholer site associated with you or Mountain
Education.

The forum will be there indefinitely, just hidden, so you can remove
what content you need to.

Best of luck,
Scott"



"Just remember, Be Careful out there!"

Ned Tibbits, Director
Mountain Education
South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
    P: 888-996-8333
    F: 530-541-1456
    C: 530-721-1551
    http://www.mountaineducation.org
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PCT List" <pctlist at gmail.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:04 PM
Subject: [pct-l] PCT thru timing for 2012


> The sierra are irrelevant. The average hiker that leaves April 1st
> will be skipping and flipping before they to get to I-10. Your
> disregard for the abilities of the average hiker (your abilities are
> irrelevant) and the winter conditions they'll face in the SoCal desert
> and mountains is appalling. Why would you encourage this?
>
> You are incredibly, irresponsibly wrong for promoting a March and
> April 1st start date in a normal snow year for the average hiker.
>
> June 15th in a normal snow year is significantly past peak snow melt.
> Why would you 'doubt' that a hiker could make Canada before the snow
> flies? How can you even make such a statement when you admittedly
> don't know what the numbers are? You simply do not know. In your 37
> years of experience you have no clue. I'll give you a hint, a hiker
> that leaves KM after peak melt in a normal snow year has a FANTASTIC
> chance of making Canada, without dealing with all the dangerous and
> 'soul crushing' conditions you deem so necessary for a successful
> hike.
>
> You want hikers to be 'realistic about their intentions'? A 3 day
> field trip to the Sierra Snow this summer is a far cry from hiking
> hundreds of miles in snow-clogged forests. How could an average
> potential thru hiker not from the area even begin to fully understand?
>
> Ned, you need to take a step back and look beyond the end of your own
> nose. The average, potential thru-hiker does not have your abilities.
> Encouraging them to hike your hike, telling them they'll fail if they
> don't......when you don't even know.
>
> -postholer
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