[pct-l] So. Calif. Desert Water Caches

[Paul Robison]

if you're lucky you can ask someone hiking south as you see them  "was there 
water at scissors"  some people hiking south to KO told us there was a stack of 
water crates taller than me at scissors,  so we did count on that one ...  then 
it turns out the stream there had water as well.

i guess 2010 isn't really the year to judge by ; )  hard to imagine all that 
water ever getting used up.   these were crates of 6 gallon jugs, stacked taller 
than me.  pioneer mail had only 1 gallon left in it;  but we went to julian from 
there; so on our way back we put in about 3 gallons.  the trough at pioneer mail 
was blood red and horrible smelling.  it almost made the trip to julian worth it 
on it's own ; )

third gate cash was nearly empty though;  but someone had left some mini - 
Gatorades there when we showed.  i can't imagine having to make that side trip,  
it's like 6 miles; compared to ten to barrel spring.  would be a major bummer.  
imho, better safe than sorry
~Paul





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From: "gwschenk at socal.rr.com" <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>; Melanie 
Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 12:30:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] So. Calif. Desert Water Caches

Having the ability to carry two gallons is a good start. That worked out for my 
gf and I when we did section A a couple of years ago. I carried two gallons into 
the San Felipe Hills, others only carried 3 liters, relying on the water cache 
at Third Gate. In '06 a friend thruhiked and carried two gallons also into the 
San Felipes. When he got to Third Gate he found a bunch of hikers yogiing for 
water as the cache was empty. You can imagine how he felt after working hard 
carrying all that water up there, and they had carried none. I believe those 
others ended up having to make the long sidetrip to water down canyon.

Gary

---- Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com> wrote: 
> *
> 
> How much water is very subjective, so it's hard to answer.
> 
> The Canyon is one of my primary stomping grounds. Water is always an issue
> there. I've hiked with many different people there, and we all need
> different amount. I tend to need more water then a lot of people. The
> general rule is a gallon a day, but I am much more comfortable with at least
> 5, and I will often carry 6. On a recent trip, we knew our hike out would
> require a dry camp half way to the car. I carried a little over 9 liters
> away from the creek before beginning the climb. I drank every drop! My
> hiking partner left the creek with only 7 or 8 liters and was fine.*
> 
> Well, my initial reaction was to bring along a capacity for about 2 gallons
> of water.  7 liters is about 2 gallons so I am probably in the "heavy user"
> category.  Maybe for my first run through the desert I should go with the 2
> gallons or 7 liters in those dry areas indicated by Halfmile and Postholer
> or was it Asabat?
> 
> Thank you everyone,
> Melanie
> 
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> 
> > I don't think I could drink a liter every 3 or 4 miles. I would get very
> > sick. 3 liters in a whole day, including meals, plus a liter of lemonade at
> > a water source is about right. For ME.
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Paul Robison wrote:
> >
> >  i have heard several people say 3 miles per liter.
> >>
> >> personally i couldn't drink more than 4 miles per liter...   in temperate
> >> weather i would go 2 liters for ten miles.
> >>
> >> ... this assumes you camp somewhere where you can drink your fill.
> >>
> >> one opinion of many;
> >> make your own decisions about safety;  lack of water is no joke.  this is
> >> what i
> >> do, and not a recommendation , blah blah ; )
> >> ~Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Melanie Clarke wrote:
> >>
> >>  Dear Diane,
> >>>
> >>> How much water should I bring during some of those long stretches
> >>> of no
> >>> water?  About 2 gallons?  I don't want to have to depend on water
> >>> caches.
> >>>
> >>> Melanie
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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