[pct-l] thru dogs dates?

Fri Jan 7 15:27:10 CST 2011

I've ran into quite a few hiker dogs but they all lay down as soon as their
hiking partner stops to visit. Both times I did the Seiad Valley road walk
there has been property owners' dogs that have given me a bad time! The last
time I was there was 2007. Hopefully they are gone.  Bigfoot

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:46 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:

> Yep. I'm really scared even more of someone who says they will hit another
> hiker with a rock because that hiker had to fight off their dog.
>
> I came close in Sierra City. It was 5 in the morning when a doberman came
> at me with ears back and teeth bared. I was sure I'd be bit or even mauled.
> I yelled as loud as I could (at 5 am) and held my poles in front of me for
> defense, pushing them towards the dog as it kept lunging. (I never hit the
> dog.) The owner finally came out, called the dog off, and said the dog
> "didn't like my sticks". No apology for the incident or for waking the
> neighbors.
>
> AsABat
>
>
> "Tortoise" <Tortoise73 at charter.net> wrote:
>
> >I have not had a really bad encounter with a dog, on the trail or
> >elsewhere. I've been lucky.
> >
> >Several times I've had to face down dogs and so far so good. But the
> >problem is out of control dogs and their owners not my attitude towards
> >dogs.
> >
> >The owner is responsible for his/her pet's conduct. Not someone else,
> >especially one threatened or attacked by a dog.
> >
> >Tortoise
> >
> ><> Because truth matters! <>
> >
> >On 01/07/11 08:11, Kevin Cook wrote:
> >> Hi Rob
> >>
> >> Based on your story, I have to wonder if the problem isn't you! This
> >isn't
> >> meant as an insult or slight. Dogs are not people. They do not judge
> >you
> >> based on what you look like or what you say. They respond to your
> >energy. It
> >> sounds to me like you might be putting out an energy of being a
> >victim or
> >> prey of some kind. When you see the dog, are you thinking, "oh shit
> >its
> >> gonna come attach me!"? If you're having thoughts like that, the dog
> >will
> >> pick that up and interpret it as, "oh look, this guy is something I'm
> >> supposed to attack."
> >>
> >> Do you have problems with dogs outside the backcountry setting? Have
> >you
> >> ever owned or lived with a dog?
> >>
> >> I'm not trying to trivialize your experience. It's totally
> >understandable
> >> how you have developed the feelings you have. I'm also not trying to
> >say
> >> it's entirely your fault, but I do think the thoughts going through
> >your
> >> head are sending out a message to the dog that is contributing to the
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Also I'd like to offer one small piece of advice. I know you are
> >afraid of
> >> the dog, but if you were to hurt someone's pet, they may not react
> >> favorably. I understand your position, but you might find that the
> >owner
> >> becomes a much bigger problem than the dog. My dogs have never acted
> >> aggressively towards anyone, but maybe your energy could bring out
> >the worst
> >> in them. I hate to say it, but if you were to hit my dog with a rock,
> >you
> >> might find yourself getting hit with a rock as well. I'm one of those
> >people
> >> that don't think a human life is worth more than any other (except
> >for
> >> mosquitoes!). This isn't a threat. I'm just saying what my
> >instinctive
> >> reaction would be, just as you are. I would defend my best friend
> >without
> >> thinking about it. I would probably feel bad afterwards though if
> >that
> >> helps. ;)
> >>
> >> Given your experience with dogs and the resulting fear, have you
> >considered
> >> carrying a can of pepper spray? It would be a much more humane way of
> >> dealing with your issue. It might avoid a potentially dangerous
> >situation as
> >> well. As others have said, you're going to have a difficult time
> >avoiding
> >> dogs on the trail completely. You might be better served to find a
> >way to
> >> make the encounters positive. Maybe instead of pepper spray a dog
> >whistle
> >> might work too. Would be lighter and easier to access and would not
> >upset
> >> the dog's owner. I've used dog whistles in training, and I can vouch
> >that
> >> they do not like the sound. It would definitely stop the dog's
> >approach and
> >> provide its owner an opportunity to control the animal.
> >>
> >> I understand if you pass on the offer, but I'd be happy to introduce
> >you to
> >> Doc if our schedules match up. Have you ever had a healthy
> >relationship with
> >> a dog? Doc really is a sweet heart. He's big, ~90 lbs, but he would
> >never
> >> hurt anyone. He is a retriever breed, Flat Coated Retriever to be
> >specific.
> >> They are bred to have a "soft mouth". Retrievers just don't bite or
> >chew
> >> things (he had stuffed toys that lasted years until we got a puppy
> >that
> >> destroyed them). It's not in their nature. They are used for hunting
> >fowl,
> >> so it's a desirable trait that they fetch the bird and bring it back
> >without
> >> damaging it. He will be on the trail with me between Echo Lakes and
> >Soda
> >> Springs. I'm not exactly sure of the dates this early, but I'd love
> >to
> >> introduce you to him. Maybe it will help?
> >>
> >> Anyway, I hope none of this offends you. It was not my intent. I
> >truly
> >> believe dogs enrich our lives and I hope you can develop an
> >appreciation for
> >> them someday.
> >>
> >> See ya on the trail! :)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:34 AM, rob gratz<hikergratz at gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I love my dog but I'm very leary of other loose dogs since being
> >bit from
> >>>> behind after passing two loose "friendly" dogs.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> i really didnt want to get back into this,but people are accusing
> >me of a
> >>> lot of things.this was a legitimate post and not a troll.
> >>>
> >>> heres my story. years back i was setting up camp in the
> >cascades,when out
> >>> of
> >>> nowhere a german shepard attacked me from behind.anyone who has seen
> >videos
> >>> of "cops" knows what kind of damage these dogs can do.i had to wrap
> >myself
> >>> up the best i could, hike out 5 miles to the trailhead. then go to
> >the
> >>> hospital for 18 stiches.i still carry the scars.
> >>>
> >>> around 2002 i stopped for lunch at maidu lake in oregon when some
> >touron
> >>> decided to let his pitbull loose,he came straight at me,and the only
> >thing
> >>> that saved me was a lucky rock up side his head(the pitbull not the
> >>> touron).that slowed him down enough so his clueless owners could
> >grab him.
> >>> referencing as a bat, i have also been bitten by seemingly friendly
> >dogs
> >>> ,and have been menaced by countless aggressive dogs.
> >>>
> >>> seeing my history you may understand why im a little leary of having
> >dogs
> >>> around me.i think many dog owners don`t understand that dogs in the
> >>> backcountry may not behave as they do at home. in my experiance,
> >dogs in
> >>> the
> >>> backcounty become very territorial and hyper aggressive. this can
> >cause
> >>> problems.
> >>>
> >>> the reason for my post was i didnt want to have conflicts.if your
> >dog (and
> >>> i
> >>> hate this term)invades my personal space, im going to send him
> >packing,
> >>> with
> >>> whatever i got, while i scream at you.this will not be pleasant for
> >me or
> >>> you.i don`t want the hassle,especially with someone  im going to see
> >for
> >>> hundreds of miles.
> >>>
> >>> so here it is. im planning on starting around may 20. if you and
> >your large
> >>> dog are planning to start around the same time,let me know. my
> >schedule is
> >>> flexible im not asking you to leave your dog at home,i don`t even
> >want to
> >>> get into the ethics of dogs on the trail.i will work around you
> >>>
> >>> on a personal note.
> >>> sorry brick,lots of sites have overeducated a-holes that love to
> >give
> >>> people
> >>> crap,so they feel Superior .after 12 years on the list i know you
> >are not
> >>> like that.next time i post i will count to ten.thanks for all you
> >do. rob
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