[pct-l] Back Pain - Chair
Shawn Hudson
shizaquawn at gmail.com
Tue Jan 4 01:36:13 CST 2011
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WKKWh6nNL.jpg
The link above goes to a picture of a kneeling chair. It's one of the best
things I've ever used. It gives me that straight back without any effort on
my part.
In a normal chair, I have to force myself to sit with correct posture, and I
find that if I take my mind off of it, I'm back to slumping. Give one a try.
They're cheap enough. I think you'll be glad you did.
- Voodoo
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> 1. bear bagging (Josie)
> 2. Re: bear bagging (Ron Dye)
> 3. trail angel donations . . . (Paul Robison)
> 4. Re: Insoles (Melanie Clarke)
> 5. Sections P and Q (jomike at cot.net)
> 6. Toe socks (jomike at cot.net)
> 7. bear bagging (jomike at cot.net)
> 8. Re: Toe socks (5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net)
> 9. Re: Toe socks (Lisa Freathy)
> 10. Re: insoles (Peggy Rice)
> 11. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Scott Williams)
> 12. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Paul Robison)
> 13. Re: Toe socks (Paul Robison)
> 14. Re: Insoles (Edward Anderson)
> 15. Re: Toe socks (Jim & Jane Moody)
> 16. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Ron Dye)
> 17. Re: Insoles (Scott Williams)
> 18. Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply (Robert Henry)
> 19. Re: Insoles (Melanie Clarke)
> 20. Re: Insoles (Melanie Clarke)
> 21. Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> (Matthew Edwards)
> 22. Kearsage/Onion Valley (Kevin Cook)
> 23. Re: Toe socks (Tortoise)
> 24. Re: Kearsage/Onion Valley (Bob Bankhead)
> 25. Super Cat stove anyone? (Michael Pinkus)
> 26. Re: Super Cat stove anyone? (John Abela)
> 27. Re: Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> (Bob Bankhead)
> 28. Re: Kearsage/Onion Valley (Alphabetsoup)
> 29. Re: trail angel donations . . . (Bill Burge)
> 30. trail angels: where do we need one that we don't have one?
> (John Abela)
> 31. trail angel donations... (jason moores)
> 32. Onion Valley/Kearsarge (jason moores)
> 33. Re: trail angel donations . . . (giniajim)
> 34. Super Cat stove anyone? (Deems)
> 35. Re: trail angels: where do we need one that we don't have
> one? (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 36. Pedometers (treerings at gmail.com)
> 37. Re: Insoles (Timeless Bennett)
> 38. PCT FAQ (PCT List)
> 39. Photographs (Rick Paulus)
> 40. Trail Names (Reinhold Metzger)
> 41. ''Battle of the Sexes'' (Reinhold Metzger)
> 42. PARADE (Reinhold Metzger)
> 43. Re: Pedometers (giniajim)
> 44. Re: bear bagging (gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
> 45. Re: Super Cat stove anyone? (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 46. Re: Photographs (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 47. Re: ''Battle of the Sexes'' (Ernie Castillo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 11:28:45 -0800
> From: Josie <josie1066 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> OK, I can't resist.
>
> First of all, I totally agree with Ryan's comments about the bears and the
> need to carry a bear canister. But I have to say the best bear prevention
> technique outside of the national parks is the four-legged variety. My dog
> has travelled most of the PCT with us and is now hiking the CDT with my
> husband and I and we have never had a problem with a bear with the dog
> around. Don't get me wrong, if it came down to it a bear could easily kill a
> dog, but they don't like dogs, so they just stay away. We live in Nor. Cal
> and have had more than 50 face-to-face confrontations with bears (never lost
> any food), but all of our bear encounters have been without the dog.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:30:53 -0600
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: "'Scott Williams'" <baidarker at gmail.com>, "'giniajim'"
> <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, trailwife at aol.com
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> Well said Scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 10:26 AM
> To: giniajim
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; trailwife at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear bagging
>
> I hate bear cans. I hate the extra weight, and the inconvenience, but I
> love what they've done for my experience of the high country. As it was
> explained to me by a high country ranger near Vogelsang, historically
> there's not been a lot for a bear to eat in the High Sierra, and their
> range
> in summer was primarily at lower and mid range altitudes. In early spring,
> they'd go up after winter kill animals, but the salmon runs, herd animals,
> acorns, fruits and berries, are all at lower elevations in these mountains.
> Before we brought up our wonderful, addictive (that's a good way to put it
> Ryan) human food, they simply didn't have a reason to hang around in the
> really high parts of the Sierra, where you'll be living on the JMT/PCT.
>
> In the 60's and 70's, before the introduction of bear cans, no matter what
> bear bag hanging technique you used, there was always the chance of having
> your trip ruined by marauding, backpacker food, habituated bears. It was a
> regular occurrence in Yosemite especially, Kearsarge pass was notorious, as
> was Rae Lakes. Stealth camping lowered the chances, but still didn't end
> them. The ranger at Vogelsang explained that because of the introduction,
> and required use of bear cans, the total number of bears in the high
> country
> is much lower again, closer to what it had been historically. And this
> change has occurred quickly. Bears aren't stupid. When we ceased bringing
> up easy food, they went back down for the cars in Yosemite Valley, and the
> parking lot at Onion Valley, much more appropriate targets. Now if we
> could
> only bring back the salmon runs....
>
> The change has been noticeable to me just over the past 20 or 25 years, and
> I like it. So even though I hate the damn things, I'll use them
> gratefully.
>
> Beautiful YTube video in Ryan's link of Mono Lake, its beauty and its
> critters. If you're new to the Sierra, it's the lake you'll be looking at
> if you hitch down from Tuolumne Meadows to eat at "the Mobil" in Lee
> Vining.
> Check back several weeks on this forum for a long link on this place and
> the great hamburger spot in town. Both are worth the hitch.
>
> Shroomer
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
>
> or just if you camp on their lawn?
>
> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> milemarker
> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure out
> about
> this whole trail.
>
> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
>
> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations? is
> it
> polite to straight up ask ?
>
>
> thanks for the info,
> ~Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:55:37 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Dear Diane,
>
> Nearly all Americans get back pain from being scrunched over a computer
> monitor or studying books etc. Our backs on not meant to be rounded or
> scrunched. Sit up straight, the tush will round out in the back of the
> chair (especially mine )-: but I've learned to embrace this) elevate your
> abdominal area, keep shoulders back, the upper back should be nearly flat
> and BEND FORWARD AT THE HIP to get close to the book, keyboard or computer
> screen (again the natural curve of the tush will be the only thing sticking
> out If I can live with my tush, you can live with yours) Your arms should
> hang down naturally slightly on the back half of your body so you will have
> to move your keyboard closer.
>
> This actually takes less energy to sit this way as your discs are stacked
> properly and you are not straining the muscles and connective tissue
> supporting the spine. You should be able to sit all day without effort.
> We
> have to earn a living, we just can't hike all day. Very academic people
> have that rounded back from spending long hours over books. Sit properly
> and you really can study or earn a living over a computer screen.
>
> So back flat, BEND AT THE HIP!!!!!!
>
> Melanie
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> > My back hurt from using a computer mouse and sitting all day.
> >
> > My frameless pack was somewhat too heavy and ill-fitting for me and
> > this made my back pretty miserable. First thing I did to help my back
> > was get a better-fitting, more supportive, internal frame pack. I did
> > that in Agua Dulce. It weighed more, but it carried my heavy gear
> > better. My back stopped hurting.
> >
> > On my second hike I lightened my packweight considerably and used
> > another unsupportive, frameless pack. My unsupportive pack still hurt
> > my back. I ended up wedging a stick against my back, between the back
> > pad and the pack. The pain went away. I carried that stick from south
> > of Lone Pine all the way to Canada!
> >
> > So rather than insoles, I would suggest making sure your pack fits
> > well and is supportive for your back.
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2011, at 7:55 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > > At the ripe age of 26, I tend to have some lower back pain when I
> > > walk for
> > > an extended amount of time. I'm worried about this acting up when I'm
> > > walking for six months.....Are there any specific insoles or shoes
> > > anyone
> > > recommends? Thanks,
> > > ~Csilla~
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:14:17 -0800
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Sections P and Q
> To: <completewalker at gmail.com>>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> How nice to hear such positive feedback on my "backyard"!
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:20:30 -0800
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:31:44 -0800
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> Said with knowledge, heart and compassion. Thank you.
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:33:35 +0000
> From: 5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net
> Cc: Pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
>
> <667741318-1294007616-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-951767478- at bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
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> Content-Type: text/plain
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> REI, backcountry.com. Look for sales
> ------Original Message------
> From: jomike at cot.net
> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> ReplyTo: jomike at cot.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
> Sent: Jan 2, 2011 14:20
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:02:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net, moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> I have purchased all of mine at REI. I use Injinji brand (not sure if there
> are
> other brands, but I would assume so), they have a website...
> www.injinji.com
>
> My first week long backpack trip left me with 8 out of 10 toes that were
> solid
> blisters. I switched to toe socks for my next hike and?many miles later
> have
> only had one toe blister ever, it was on my pinky toe which tends to hide
> underneath the others. I'm working on that...
> ?Lisa
>
>
> "Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile, and
> climb
> a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
> ~ John Muir
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "jomike at cot.net" <jomike at cot.net>
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 2:20:30 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:40:56 -0800
> From: Peggy Rice <msrice27 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] insoles
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I found that re-distributing my weight in the pack solved most of my back
> pain. I used to put the bear canister at the bottom, but now I put the
> sleeping bag there, and the canister is in the middle. My 0.02 cents
> worth,
>
> Peggy
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:41:25 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case
> of
> the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to
> rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making the
> last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per
> night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
>
> I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous.
> At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
> hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons,
> Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do it,
> and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
> tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given a
> lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
>
> What do others think about amounts.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
> >
> > or just if you camp on their lawn?
> >
> > ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> > milemarker
> > 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
> out
> > about
> > this whole trail.
> >
> > is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
> >
> > people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
> is
> > it
> > polite to straight up ask ?
> >
> >
> > thanks for the info,
> > ~Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:51:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <224550.62644.qm at web110015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> if 20$ a night is the standard, then i feel fine leaving 50 for a husband
> wife...or more if the food is great...
>
> thanks guys for all the quick replies.
>
> i'll just budget for it just like a planned hotel stay. the motivation for
> all
> this is ifguring out how late i need to work, i didn't want to work right
> up to
> the week i left for the trail, but it's been a hard year for saving money.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 6:41:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
>
> Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> thought
> of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case of the
> Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to rent
> porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making the last
> jump
> toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per night for
> myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
>
> I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous. At
> times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the hikers,
> and
> that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons, Heitmans, and
> all
> the rest should be compensated if you can possible do it, and I'm sure they
> won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a tremendous service,
> and
> are really great folks. Also, when being given a lift by someone, ask to
> chip
> in for gas.
>
> What do others think about amounts.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
> >
> >or just if you camp on their lawn?
> >
> >... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> milemarker
> >2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure out
> about
> >this whole trail.
> >
> >is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
> >
> >people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
> is it
> >polite to straight up ask ?
> >
> >
> >thanks for the info,
> >~Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:52:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net, moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <48585.86037.qm at web110013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> injinji will replace your toe socks if they ever get holes.
>
> they have several kinds, wool, bamboo, cotton, coolmax polyester, so
> finding
> one to fit your purposes is easy.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "jomike at cot.net" <jomike at cot.net>
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 5:20:30 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:36:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <545548.69581.qm at web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> Thanks Melanie,
>
> I really appreciate your tips, as I have experienced lower back pain in
> recent
> years. So, here I am now?sitting at my computer, back straight, bending at
> my
> hips. You have inspired me.
>
> It is interesting that when I am riding a horse?my back does not hurt - not
> even
> during or after?a 50 miler. But, after working at the computer, or after
> watching T.V., it often does. While riding the PCT I had no back pain
> problems -
> no computer there?- or T.V.
>
> I am saving your tips.
>
> MendoRider
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 1:55:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
>
> Dear Diane,
>
> Nearly all Americans get back pain from being scrunched over a computer
> monitor or studying books etc.? Our backs on not meant to be rounded or
> scrunched.? Sit up straight, the tush will round out in the back of the
> chair (especially mine )-: but I've learned to embrace this) elevate your
> abdominal area, keep shoulders back, the upper back should be nearly flat
> and BEND FORWARD AT THE HIP to get close to the book, keyboard or computer
> screen (again the natural curve of the tush will be the only thing sticking
> out? If I can live with my tush, you can live with yours)? Your arms should
> hang down naturally slightly on the back half of your body so you will have
> to move your keyboard closer.
>
> This actually takes less energy to sit this way as your discs are stacked
> properly and you are not straining the muscles and connective tissue
> supporting the spine.? You should be able to sit all day without effort.?
> We
> have to earn a living, we just can't hike all day.? Very academic people
> have that rounded back from spending long hours over books.? Sit properly
> and you really can study or earn a living over a computer screen.
>
> So back flat, BEND AT THE HIP!!!!!!
>
> Melanie
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
> > My back hurt from using a computer mouse and sitting all day.
> >
> > My frameless pack was somewhat too heavy and ill-fitting for me and
> > this made my back pretty miserable. First thing I did to help my back
> > was get a better-fitting, more supportive, internal frame pack. I did
> > that in Agua Dulce. It weighed more, but it carried my heavy gear
> > better. My back stopped hurting.
> >
> > On my second hike I lightened my packweight considerably and used
> > another unsupportive, frameless pack. My unsupportive pack still hurt
> > my back. I ended up wedging a stick against my back, between the back
> > pad and the pack. The pain went away. I carried that stick from south
> > of Lone Pine all the way to Canada!
> >
> > So rather than insoles, I would suggest making sure your pack fits
> > well and is supportive for your back.
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2011, at 7:55 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > > At the ripe age of 26, I tend to have some lower back pain when I
> > > walk for
> > > an extended amount of time. I'm worried about this acting up when I'm
> > > walking for six months.....Are there any specific insoles or shoes
> > > anyone
> > > recommends? Thanks,
> > >? ? ~Csilla~
> >
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:37:12 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: jomike at cot.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> I find Injinji brand toesocks at my local outfitter and at Foot Rx, which I
> think is a franchise store.? Try your local running shoe store if you don't
> have this retailer.
>
>
>
> Mango
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jomike at cot.net
> To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 5:20:30 PM
> Subject: Toe socks
>
>
> Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:52:01 -0600
> From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: "'Scott Williams'" <baidarker at gmail.com>, "'Paul Robison'"
> <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I typically left $20 but on one occasion donated quite a bit more because
> (1) they went out of their way in feeding us wonderful meals and (2) I
> noted
> that some other hikers didn't (couldn't) contribute. I always asked if I
> could donate toward gas but only one accepted it and that was after I
> pushed
> it on them. Just think what a motel/meals would cost if you had to go that
> route and your wallet will not be so difficult to extricate. I did notice,
> on a couple of occasions, a sense of entitlement but that was far and few
> between.
>
> Side note: In Dunsmuir I noted an older home was being re-wrapped with
> Tyvek as they were replacing the siding. On my way back from dinner I
> noted
> a piece of tyvek had been cut out from one wall - interestingly enough it
> was the general size/shape of a lightweight tent. I felt this reflected
> poorly on hikers. I imagine the contractor might have given or at least
> sold a piece had he been asked. Again, sad reflection on hikers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:41 PM
> To: Paul Robison
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
>
> Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case
> of
> the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to
> rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making the
> last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per
> night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
>
> I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous.
> At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
> hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons,
> Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do it,
> and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
> tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given a
> lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
>
> What do others think about amounts.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison
> <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
> >
> > or just if you camp on their lawn?
> >
> > ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> > milemarker
> > 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
> out
> > about
> > this whole trail.
> >
> > is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
> >
> > people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
> is
> > it
> > polite to straight up ask ?
> >
> >
> > thanks for the info,
> > ~Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:19:57 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Ditto that. I love your post too Melanie. My posture is better now than
> it
> was an hour ago.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shroomer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:43:43 -0800
> From: Robert Henry <rrh.henry at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Has anybody (or group) ever tried to hire the horse packer out of
> Onion Valley to resupply to the PCT? Spendy, I know... I seem to
> recall the term "flake" applied to the packer with the concession out
> of Onion Valley, but maybe that was some other eastern Sierra
> trailhead.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:33:27 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikKfh4UcEJkGqftHGaottKpGowyA5uGpSXjz+W5 at mail.gmail.com<AANLkTikKfh4UcEJkGqftHGaottKpGowyA5uGpSXjz%2BW5 at mail.gmail.com>
> >
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> Dear PCT,
>
> I felt I better mention that while I exacerbated my back problems by
> tucking
> my tushie too far in, the majority of people seem to stand with pot bellies
> extending out and the tushie tilted forward or anteverted. These people
> need to actually need to straighten out the back by tucking in on their
> posterior to make the pelvis tilt less. This is so ubiquitous that most
> physical therapists just tell their patients to tuck the pelvis. I suffer
> from the "athlete's mentality" If SOME
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ditto that. I love your post too Melanie. My posture is better now than
> > it was an hour ago.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:48:31 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTintw+mkTA3az3XgXRwp4pgFFC8H=nFY-Fom2RHU at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I hit a wrong key and it sent without finishing...
>
> Dear PCT,
>
> I felt I better mention that while I exacerbated my back problems by
> tucking
> my tushie too far in, the majority of people seem to stand with pot bellies
> extending out and the tushie tilted forward or anteverted. These people
> actually need to straighten out the back by tucking in on their posterior
> to
> make the pelvis tilt less. This is so ubiquitous that most physical
> therapists just tell their patients to tuck the pelvis. I suffer from the
> "athlete's mentality" If SOME is good MORE must be better. So because a
> little bit of a tuck was good, I assumed a greater pelvic tuck would be
> better and I thought it minimized the look of my hip size. NO, you have to
> maintain a "neutral spine". Not too far forward or back.
>
> I do all my yard work with a weight belt that the weight lifters wear.
> This
> tight belt around the waist forces you to elevate the abdominal region the
> way you are supposed to hold your spine. You also need to keep the
> shoulders back and this is the perfect way for proper spinal alignment. I
> always wear a weight belt if I am doing heavy labor or hauling loads. When
> we are tired, it is just too easy to slide back into our old "slouching"
> routines and then load the discs improperly. I haven't noticed any
> deterioration of my abdominal muscles.
>
> I'll quit now. Don't encourage me or get me started again.
>
> Melanie
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dear PCT,
> >
> > I felt I better mention that while I exacerbated my back problems by
> > tucking my tushie too far in, the majority of people seem to stand with
> pot
> > bellies extending out and the tushie tilted forward or anteverted. These
> > people need to actually need to straighten out the back by tucking in on
> > their posterior to make the pelvis tilt less. This is so ubiquitous that
> > most physical therapists just tell their patients to tuck the pelvis. I
> > suffer from the "athlete's mentality" If SOME
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Ditto that. I love your post too Melanie. My posture is better now
> than
> >> it was an hour ago.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Shroomer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:38:59 -0800
> From: "Matthew Edwards" <Hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <7D18567857234CB2A88CC705D60A70BF at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Socks and I went out at Kearsarge pass to resupply on our thru hike in
> 2009.
> I would highly recommend the route. The scenery and switchbacked trail is
> spectacular.
> I think it's called Pothole lake.. It was amazing! The Kearsarge pinnacles
> too.
> Getting a hitch was easy at the dead end trailhead.
> You have the option of Independence, Lone Pine, and even Bishop (as we did)
> for resupply.
> I suppose you could hire a packer to resupply you from Onion valley but..
> why?
> We had just summited Mt. Whitney after coming 700 miles from the Mexican
> border.
> We were like "hiking gods".. toned and trail hardened.
> Kearsarge was ridiculously easy both ways.
> Please understand i am not baggin on your idea.. just providing the
> perspective we had as thru's
> when we reached Kearsarge Pass.
> So many things seem difficult until you actually get there.. Whitney..
> Forrester pass.. Kearsarge.. the other Sierra passes..
> All of them seemed insurmountable back home but when confronted on the hike
> they were challenging but quite do-able... dare i say easy?
> Kearsarge Pass turned out to be a brilliant resupply option for me and
> quite a few other hikers at any rate. YMMV
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:46:21 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Kearsage/Onion Valley
> To: PCT Listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Since it's being discussed, I have a question about this this resupply as
> well...
>
> I have a friend hiking the section from KM to Onion Valley with me. He is
> leaving a car at the Trailhead. Can he store food there? I would really
> like
> it if I could resupply without hitching into town. I'm happy to hike over
> Kearsage with him and probably spend the night in the campground, but I'm
> worried about leaving food with bears around. I think someone said there
> are
> bear boxes there for hikers. Can someone confirm this? I've left food in
> boxes for a couple week before, but how safe do you think it will be there?
> We're planning about 11 days from KM to OV, so the food would be there ~12
> days or so.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks :)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:19:12 -0800
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Toe socks
> To: Lisa Freathy <rainorshinecamper at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4D215C50.4020106 at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I am NOT a foot doctor. However in my experience, a little toe which
> "hides" underneath another toe is a symptom of boots/shoes that are too
> small in the toe area. Most boots and shoes seem to be too small there.
>
> I've switched to New Balance shoes built on the SL2 last which provides
> enough room for my toes and a narrow heel.
>
> I've gone to larger and wider shoes as my feet both have spread with age
> and weight; and are recovering from being squeezed into shoes before I knew
> better and found the NBs that fit.
>
> My 2?.
>
> Tortoise
>
> <> Because truth matters! <>
>
> On 01/02/11 15:02, Lisa Freathy wrote:
> > I have purchased all of mine at REI. I use Injinji brand (not sure if
> there are
> > other brands, but I would assume so), they have a website...
> www.injinji.com
> >
> > My first week long backpack trip left me with 8 out of 10 toes that were
> solid
> > blisters. I switched to toe socks for my next hike and many miles later
> have
> > only had one toe blister ever, it was on my pinky toe which tends to hide
> > underneath the others. I'm working on that...
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> > "Keep close to Nature's heart... and break clear away, once in awhile,
> and climb
> > a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean."
> > ~ John Muir
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "jomike at cot.net"<jomike at cot.net>
> > To: moodyjj at comcast.net
> > Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> > Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 2:20:30 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Toe socks
> >
> > Where might I find toe socks to purchase?
> >
> > are we there yet
> >
> >
> > ...going to the mountains is going home.
> >
> > John Muir
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:29:51 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kearsage/Onion Valley
> To: "'Kevin Cook'" <hikelite at gmail.com>, "'PCT Listserve'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001201cbab0f$a0ce60d0$e26b2270$@comcast.net>
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>
> Yes, there are bear boxes along the north side of the parking lot, near the
> bathrooms. These are for anyone's use. That means no security. Leave things
> at your own risk. Put your name and approximate reclaim date on any
> container. Note that these metal boxes are out in the full sun all day, so
> whatever you put in them will get quite hot. There are also bear boxes in
> the USFS campground, but those are strictly reserved for the occupants of
> each site and checked daily by the camp host.
>
> Bears are very active in the parking lots. Do not leave anything with an
> odor in your car, nor anything visible inside....unless you like gambling
> on
> not having your windows ripped out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:31:27 -0800
> From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT127-W40D8D3EA6EF006DE883DDADF070 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> Has anyone ever used these? Pros or Cons? What other alcohol stoves are
> people using? I was originally planning on using Evernew's DX but it would
> seem that it's quite the fuel hog....
>
> cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:37:52 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> I will just admit that I have been 100% loyal to the MinibullDesign
> mini-atomic
>
> It is a pain in that it requires a stove stand, but if you carry one of
> those caldera cone thingies, throw the mini-atomic under it and you'll have
> boiled water before you get your shoes unlaced lol (ok, maybe not)
>
> That said, I am more and more switching the the Esbit Titanium Foldable
> Stove with a couple of esbits. Going this route simply for weight and
> because I am very near to going full on non-cooked meals. I figure at .4 oz
> onces for the folder stove, and less than an oz for a tablet or two, even
> if
> I do end up wanting to make me some coffee or boiled water, it can easily
> save me 8-15 ounces depending on a traditional stove setup.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Has anyone ever used these? Pros or Cons? What other alcohol stoves are
> > people using? I was originally planning on using Evernew's DX but it
> would
> > seem that it's quite the fuel hog....
> >
> > cheers,
> > Mike
> >
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:43:28 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
> To: "'Robert Henry'" <rrh.henry at gmail.com>, "'pct-l'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: pinecreekps at aol.com
> Message-ID: <001301cbab11$8e7495b0$ab5dc110$@comcast.net>
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>
> Spendy? Yes, but you have no idea what they have to go through to get a
> supply box there in the first place. Yhey also have several options that
> let
> you share the cost of an already-scheduled pack train delivery up over the
> pass to the Kearsarge Lakes or even Charlotte Lake. Saves you the walk
> down,
> and back up, the east side of Kearsarge Pass. They are nice people to deal
> with, despite having had their pack station broken into and vandalized by
> hikers in the past. Be advised that they don't usually open the pack
> station
> until late June, so check ahead before shipping anything to them.
>
> Email Danica Berner at pinecreekps at aol.com or call 800-962-0775 for
> current
> resupply pricing and details. This station is not always manned, but they
> will have someone there for your scheduled arrival time. If you miss that,
> they have another way for you to get your box. They will tell you what that
> is when you make arrangements with them. Note that I am copying them on
> this
> response so they can be aware of interest generated from the PCT_List
> Forum.
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Robert Henry
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:44 PM
> To: pct-l
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge commercial horse resupply
>
> Has anybody (or group) ever tried to hire the horse packer out of Onion
> Valley to resupply to the PCT? Spendy, I know...
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:46:16 -0800
> From: Alphabetsoup <alphabetsoupmmm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kearsage/Onion Valley
> To: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Cc: PCT Listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinWfb6Vg84=-WaVCuqy_qn-Z+0QOf67b0B2Udt5 at mail.gmail.com<WaVCuqy_qn-Z%2B0QOf67b0B2Udt5 at mail.gmail.com>
> >
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>
> Some years ago I worked inside Yosemite Valley for the concession's
> company.
> My home while I lived there was at Curry Village in one of those tent
> cabins. we had bears in the village every night I was there. One day I went
> into the little town of Mariposa for the day just so I could get some fast
> food. On the trip back I must have inadvertently let some fries get under
> my
> passenger seat. Picture a Suzuki Samurai with a soft top with the passenger
> seat ripped out in thousands of pieces for a few stray french
> fries...Luckily, the bear went through the soft top, not the door. Others
> in
> that same parking lot were not so lucky that night, I saw a door bent
> completely in half from the top down and the entire contents of the mini
> van
> destroyed for what looked like to be the remnants of a box of donuts.
>
> A hard lesson, thankfully I didn't suffer the loss of my car.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Yes, there are bear boxes along the north side of the parking lot, near
> the
> > bathrooms. These are for anyone's use. That means no security. Leave
> things
> > at your own risk. Put your name and approximate reclaim date on any
> > container. Note that these metal boxes are out in the full sun all day,
> so
> > whatever you put in them will get quite hot. There are also bear boxes in
> > the USFS campground, but those are strictly reserved for the occupants of
> > each site and checked daily by the camp host.
> >
> > Bears are very active in the parking lots. Do not leave anything with an
> > odor in your car, nor anything visible inside....unless you like gambling
> > on
> > not having your windows ripped out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
> --
> *Alphabetsoup*
> *~Soon to be PCT Thru-Hiker April 2011~*
> * www.postholer.com/alphabetsoup*
> *
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 23:01:53 -0800
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <0F907F87-303E-461F-B0EE-20114C6A92DB at burge.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> My girlfriend and I have been driving hikers for a couple of years now, and
> we've tried very hard to keep hikers from donating towards gas.
>
> I've been pretty successful, except on my very first day of hiker driving.
> Being a "noob", I made the made the mistake of not having a full tank of
> gas and had to stop to fill up. One old guy forced some money on me try as
> I might to deflect it and...
>
> Hey! I remember YOU / it all clearly now... ;-)
>
> Dude! If I drive you anywhere this time, you better keep your dang hands
> out of your pockets! :-D
>
> I'll see you then. You won't be my first repeat... We were hoping to
> actually be ON the trail this year, but life has a funny way of not dealing
> the cards straight sometimes. Long story, knee surgery involved; tell you
> in May/June!
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Ron Dye wrote:
>
> > I typically left $20 but on one occasion donated quite a bit more because
> > (1) they went out of their way in feeding us wonderful meals and (2) I
> noted
> > that some other hikers didn't (couldn't) contribute. I always asked if I
> > could donate toward gas but only one accepted it and that was after I
> pushed
> > it on them. Just think what a motel/meals would cost if you had to go
> that
> > route and your wallet will not be so difficult to extricate. I did
> notice,
> > on a couple of occasions, a sense of entitlement but that was far and few
> > between.
> >
> > Side note: In Dunsmuir I noted an older home was being re-wrapped with
> > Tyvek as they were replacing the siding. On my way back from dinner I
> noted
> > a piece of tyvek had been cut out from one wall - interestingly enough it
> > was the general size/shape of a lightweight tent. I felt this reflected
> > poorly on hikers. I imagine the contractor might have given or at least
> > sold a piece had he been asked. Again, sad reflection on hikers.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:41 PM
> > To: Paul Robison
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> >
> > Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> > more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> > thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the case
> of
> > the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to
> > rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making
> the
> > last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20 per
> > night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
> >
> > I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous.
> > At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
> > hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons,
> > Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do
> it,
> > and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
> > tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given a
> > lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
> >
> > What do others think about amounts.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison
> > <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
> >>
> >> or just if you camp on their lawn?
> >>
> >> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> >> milemarker
> >> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
> out
> >> about
> >> this whole trail.
> >>
> >> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
> >>
> >> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
> > is
> >> it
> >> polite to straight up ask ?
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks for the info,
> >> ~Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 23:09:01 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] trail angels: where do we need one that we don't have
> one?
> To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hey All,
>
> So, where would be two or three places that it would be amazingly helpful
> to
> have a residential trail angel at, that one does not presently reside at?
>
> Other than the beginning and end of course ;-p
>
> Really been considering moving out of the Redwood forest here in WestNorCal
> to somewhere else. Thought I might pick a few places to check out based on
> trail angel needs.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:01:31 -0700
> From: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] trail angel donations...
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT126-W10A3138FA7E02B90E325B4C1070 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Molasses and I usually leave $20 a night for each of us.
>
> I find that this amount is a good starting point for a donation. It's all
> subjective: are they giving you rides around town, providing food, showers,
> laundry...?
>
> Keep in mind that money is not the only way that you can pay it back to the
> angels. There is always something that needs to be done at an angel's house.
> Cleaning, maintenance, shopping and such. Give what you can, be it money or
> time, it will be appreciated.
>
> In 2010 Donna put up with myself and four other sick hikers, weeks before
> Hiker Heaven's official opening, for five days. We "tipped" what we could,
> but in the end we all did a little cleaning or yard work and I cooked dinner
> on a few nights for the Saufley's, to give them a break.
>
> Your time can be just as valuable, more so when there are fifty other
> hikers staying at the same place with only a handful of angel's ministering
> to all those needs.
>
> Jackass
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:29:30 -0700
> From: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Onion Valley/Kearsarge
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT126-W2685DE4EAF30CF2C3B7B19C1070 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I'll second Iceaxe's praise for resupplying at Kearsarge Pass.
>
> We used Kearsarge in '09 & '10 and found this stretch to be some of the
> most beautiful moments that we have spent on the trail. The Bullfrog lakes,
> Kearsarge Pinnacles, Pothole Lake, the views down Bubb;s Creek Valley. In
> '09 Molasses shot over 100 pics in this area alone.
>
> I won't try to talk ya out of resupplying on the trail, but I could come up
> with plenty of reasons to go out to Onion Valley.
>
> Jackass
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:36:36 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> To: "Bill Burge" <bill at burge.com>, "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> >
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <DB4E770405E24B8DA7C1B9BB7CE17186 at HomePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Its great of you to be willing to help on your own dime. A suggestion:
> keep a can or jar labeled with your favorite trail organization, like the
> PCTA; those hikers so inclined can toss a few bucks in there.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Burge
> To: Ron Dye
> Cc: PCT MailingList
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
>
>
>
> My girlfriend and I have been driving hikers for a couple of years now,
> and we've tried very hard to keep hikers from donating towards gas.
>
> I've been pretty successful, except on my very first day of hiker driving.
> Being a "noob", I made the made the mistake of not having a full tank of
> gas and had to stop to fill up. One old guy forced some money on me try as
> I might to deflect it and...
>
> Hey! I remember YOU / it all clearly now... ;-)
>
> Dude! If I drive you anywhere this time, you better keep your dang hands
> out of your pockets! :-D
>
> I'll see you then. You won't be my first repeat... We were hoping to
> actually be ON the trail this year, but life has a funny way of not dealing
> the cards straight sometimes. Long story, knee surgery involved; tell you
> in May/June!
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Ron Dye wrote:
>
> > I typically left $20 but on one occasion donated quite a bit more
> because
> > (1) they went out of their way in feeding us wonderful meals and (2) I
> noted
> > that some other hikers didn't (couldn't) contribute. I always asked if
> I
> > could donate toward gas but only one accepted it and that was after I
> pushed
> > it on them. Just think what a motel/meals would cost if you had to go
> that
> > route and your wallet will not be so difficult to extricate. I did
> notice,
> > on a couple of occasions, a sense of entitlement but that was far and
> few
> > between.
> >
> > Side note: In Dunsmuir I noted an older home was being re-wrapped with
> > Tyvek as they were replacing the siding. On my way back from dinner I
> noted
> > a piece of tyvek had been cut out from one wall - interestingly enough
> it
> > was the general size/shape of a lightweight tent. I felt this reflected
> > poorly on hikers. I imagine the contractor might have given or at least
> > sold a piece had he been asked. Again, sad reflection on hikers.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:41 PM
> > To: Paul Robison
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angel donations . . .
> >
> > Great question Paul. I think it's fine to ask, and did on occasion, and
> was
> > more than once told of the expences angels incurred that I hadn't even
> > thought of. Gas and electric for heating and water, and even in the
> case of
> > the Dinsmores, who are wonderful folks and didn't want to beg, having to
> > rent porta-potties, which wasn't cheap, for the hoards of folks making
> the
> > last jump toward Canada from their place. I always left at least $20
> per
> > night for myself, but maybe I was being cheap.
> >
> > I think it's also fine to ask the hikers you're with to try and be
> generous.
> > At times you can feel a bit of an attitude of entitlement amongst the
> > hikers, and that's not good. The regulars like the Saufleys, Andersons,
> > Heitmans, and all the rest should be compensated if you can possible do
> it,
> > and I'm sure they won't tell you to leave if you can't. They give us a
> > tremendous service, and are really great folks. Also, when being given
> a
> > lift by someone, ask to chip in for gas.
> >
> > What do others think about amounts.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Paul Robison
> > <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> what is a good amount? when someone puts you up, feeds you, etc.
> >>
> >> or just if you camp on their lawn?
> >>
> >> ... i want to be generous, but i don't want to run out of money at
> >> milemarker
> >> 2,000 either. i swear finances are the hardest thing for me to figure
> out
> >> about
> >> this whole trail.
> >>
> >> is 50$ a night good for a couple for a night and dinner?? 80$?
> >>
> >> people who have thru'd before, what did you guys figure for donations?
> > is
> >> it
> >> polite to straight up ask ?
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks for the info,
> >> ~Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-L mailing list
> >> Pct-L at backcountry.net
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>
> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:24:32 -0800
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4B08884E9C794A1797EFB3F087C589DF at S0029439031>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> What other alcohol stoves are people using?
> Mike
> ~~~^~^~^^^~~^^~^~
> I've been carrying the Pika stove for years. It's a fuel efficient laminar
> flow design, versatile in sizes ranging from solo to group, that you can
> build yourself. I use about 1.25ounces of fuel per day.
> http://users.sisqtel.net/losthiker/pikastove/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:40:35 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angels: where do we need one that we don't
> have one?
> To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimt4Lb7h9oR6XV5BVnsCVBK==RopT9pJiDp4AC1 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Good morning, John,
>
> One location that comes to mind not so far from you in NW California is
> town
> of Etna where the majority of thru-hikers resupply. The people in this
> small town are great to hikers, but the hitch from Etna Summit to town ?
> and
> eventually return ? is iffy at best. The approximate 10 miles of highway
> from Etna town to Etna Summit is a paved snake-trail that does not see much
> traffic at best. Lots of the traffic that does pass is commercial and is
> not allowed to pick up hikers. Some lucky hikers get an instant ride,
> while
> others have to stand around on that dry pass for ? well, much too long. I
> know: Been there ? done that.
>
>
>
> Last summer I hiked the two ?08 fire closures, and for one section I drove
> to Etna before hiking to Seiad. While I stayed in Etna for a day and a
> half
> ? with a car ? I made about a dozen round trips up to the trailhead picking
> up and returning hiker-trash. The depth of their gratitude was truly
> wonderful.
>
>
>
> For that Angel support one wouldn?t have to have a hostel-type property,
> only a vehicle ? preferably a van ? and some good books to read while
> waiting at the summit for a hiker to trudge up.
>
>
> Bless you for being willing to help.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:09 PM, John Abela <
> pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > So, where would be two or three places that it would be amazingly helpful
> > to
> > have a residential trail angel at, that one does not presently reside at?
> >
> > Other than the beginning and end of course ;-p
> >
> > Really been considering moving out of the Redwood forest here in
> WestNorCal
> > to somewhere else. Thought I might pick a few places to check out based
> on
> > trail angel needs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:50:53 -0800
> From: treerings at gmail.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Pedometers
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> I'm wondering if anyone uses a pedometer to track their miles and if so can
> you recommend one or do you use maps to gestimate daily mileage? Thanks.
> -Bruce
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:00:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Timeless Bennett <wehike at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Insoles
> To: Csilla Tabor <csilla.tabor at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <635255.2248.qm at web120612.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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> I love Superfeet!
>
> Timeless
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Csilla Tabor <csilla.tabor at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 6:49:25 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Insoles
>
> At the ripe age of 26, I tend to have some lower back pain when I walk for
> an extended amount of time. I'm worried about this acting up when I'm
> walking for six months.....Are there any specific insoles or shoes anyone
> recommends? Thanks,
> ~Csilla~
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> Message: 38
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:05:27 -0800
> From: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT FAQ
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> For those of you who are just getting your feet wet, many answers to your
> questions can be found in the PCT FAQ (frequently asked questions):
>
> http://postholer.com/faq.php
>
> The FAQ exists due to the contributions of many members of the PCT
> community, so take advantage of it!
>
> -postholer
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 39
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:19:05 -0500
> From: Rick Paulus <rspaulus at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Photographs
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> Happy New Year, everyone! My wife, Julie, and I have been asked to make a
> presentation of our hike to townsfolk here in our little hamlet on Cape
> Cod. As we are gathering good photos for the powerpoint presentation, it
> has come to our attention that just about every photo is of a beautiful
> vista or trail shot. We are sorely missing the daily minutia of daily life
> on the trail; dirty feet, blisters, road walks, water caches, ANYTHING
> besides a beautiful mountain scene, which we have plenty of!
>
> If anyone out there has pics of these things that they are willing to share
> with us, and our townsfolk, please email them along to me. Thank you so
> very much!
> rspaulus at gmail.com
>
> --
> Rick Paulus
> 12 High Street
> Orleans, MA 02653
> 774-323-0050
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 40
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:39:18 -0800
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Names
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Bighummel at aol.com
> Message-ID: <4D1E85C6.7020502 at cox.net>
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> Big Hummel,
> If you teach me rocks....I'll teach you backpacking.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> Big Hummel wrote
> "never eat any mushroom unless you know how to tell the poison ones from
> the good ones. If you'll teach me shrooms, I'll teach you rocks!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 41
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:03:39 -0800
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] ''Battle of the Sexes''
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>,
> Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <4D1E8B7B.40502 at cox.net>
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>
> Melanie wrote:
> .......I'm the strongest woman I know and stronger than most men my age.
> --------------------------------------
> JMT Reinhold writes:
> Interesting Melanie, very interesting.
>
> I say we put this to the test....I say Melanie and Switchback should
> have an arm wrestling contest at the ''KO'' and settle this issue once
> and for all.
> I am sure ''BRUTE SWITCHBACK'' will be able to prove and uphold man's
> superiority.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 42
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:23:09 -0800
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PARADE
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>, Deems
> <losthiker at sisqtel.net>, MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>
> Message-ID: <4D1E900D.1050104 at cox.net>
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> Well, so long gang.....I'm off to the Rose Bowl Parade.
> I will be thinking about all you "Mountain Boys", shoveling snow while
> I'm soaking up sunshine and admiring
> majorettes.
>
> Aaahhh sunny California.....only in America.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 43
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:04:57 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pedometers
> To: <treerings at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <7B3865A753D0474D85775E1721F07AAF at HomePC>
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> I use a pedometer for exercise-tracking purposes, but don't trust it to
> track miles.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: treerings at gmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:50 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Pedometers
>
>
> I'm wondering if anyone uses a pedometer to track their miles and if so
> can
> you recommend one or do you use maps to gestimate daily mileage? Thanks.
> -Bruce
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> Message: 44
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:16:42 +0000
> From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear bagging
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Perhaps this could be posted on a monthly basis?
>
> ---- Ryan Christensen <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Kevin,
>
> I have a feeling I may not be the only one to reply to your post-- but I
> suppose
> I will be the first. I was one of those "pesky" rangers asking about bear
> cans.
> >From what you wrote, I can tell that perhaps you have not had the
> experience
> with bears that many Rangers, including myself have had. At heart, Rangers,
> and
> all these food storage regulations are there to save bears. Bears are
> absolutely
> beautiful creatures with personality and a zest for life. When I worked in
> the
> parks, I was not just hiking through the mountains-- I lived there. I got
> to
> know the bears- their personalities, the quirks, their cubs, parents and
> grandparents-- and gained a very different perspective. If you watch them
> and
> pay attention they very much remind us of ourselves. I have a brief clip of
> a
> video I took of a bear doing bear things here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOTMfnFuc4 Its a little over halfway
> through
> the video.
>
>
> Ursacks were revoked because they have failed in real world situations in
> the
> backcountry. I have had a visitor come out of the backcountry with a torn
> Ursack-- then weeks later at the same location (on the PCT) get the report
> that
> someone had to be helicoptered out because they were clawed by a bear--
> then
> hear the heart breaking story of the bear having to be hunted down and
> killed. I
> have looked into the eyes of a mother bear in a trap, her cub crying next
> to
> her, knowing she had to be killed because of the stupid decisions of
> visitors
> before- who also came and went and did not care enough about the well being
> of
> the bears to properly store their food. The point is: there is a direct
> correlation between a bear getting human food for the first time- the bear
> quickly becoming addicted to human food- the bear loosing their natural
> fear of
> humans- then the bear becoming bolder and more aggressive in its efforts to
> continue its addiction to human food-- this pattern continues until someone
> gets
> hurt-- or have to be killed. Night after night, I have chased the same bear
> away
> from food that people have left out-- to eventually learn that it too had
> to be
> killed-- its three cubs shipped out to a Zoo. It is with a sense of
> compassion
> and responsibility that we should be properly storing our food. In my
> opinion,
> its not worth risking the life of a bear to save a few ounces, nor, IMHO is
> my
> food important enough to me that it outweighs the life of a bear. Yes, we
> do
> need containers with 100% impenetrability.
>
>
> About defending your food from a bear: well, that's just simply a very,
> very bad
> idea. That does seem to be a common denominator with many of the bear
> maulings I
> am familiar with in the Sierra-- that and using your food as a pillow,
> which is
> also a very, very bad idea. Know that not all bears are intemidated by
> rocks,
> particularly the ones who have repeatedly gained food from careless
> backpackers-- again, if you had more experience with bears I don't think
> you
> would claim that they retreat when you throw stones, because many don't.
> Also,
> be mindful of throwing those stones- years ago, in Yosemite, a boy scout
> killed
> a bear when he threw a rock at the bear to protect his food. If your food
> was
> properly stored to begin with then there would be no need to "protect" your
> food.
>
>
> For the Bears,
>
> ProDeal
>
> www.bristleconemedia.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 45
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:22:21 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Super Cat stove anyone?
> To: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning, Mike,
>
> I feel rather manic/depressive about the SuperCat Stove, having made and
> used a half-dozen or more of them over time. Assuming I want to carry a
> stove and enjoy hot food, the (lack of) weight of the SuperCat is truly
> attractive. On the other hand ? the downside ? the stability of the thing
> is very troubling. In use SuperCat is a contact stove. With the pot
> placed
> directly on the stove?s top rim the fuel gasses are forced out the side
> holes to be burned beneath and up the sides of the pot. If the pot does
> not
> remain in contact with the stove it seems thing becomes much less
> efficient.
>
>
>
> Starting any contact-type stove is a bit tedious because even though the
> pool of fuel begins to burn instantly, gasses won?t exit the side holes and
> begin burning until the pot is slowly lowered onto the stove top: Lower
> too
> fast and the fire goes out. Lower too slowly and it?s a pain in the butt.
> At
> best it?s a nuisance to bend over and lower the pot, all while peeking
> under
> to judge whether the nearly-invisible flame has spread to burn out the side
> holes.
>
>
>
> Once lit and generating it works pretty slick, except the diameter of the
> stove is ? for my clumsy use ? much too small to reliably support a pot.
> Help
> in the form of an auxiliary pot support is not very useful because it is
> then difficult to keep the pot in contact with the stove top, thereby
> assuring efficient gas generation.
>
>
>
> I think about the SuperCat every time I want to cook ultra-lite, but I then
> return to a square of solid fuel on a piece of folded aluminum foil on the
> ground with three tent stakes supporting the pot. Both need a foil wind
> screen.
>
>
>
> I use both cat food or pop can stoves. The Trail-Dad cat food stove is
> very
> simple to make, not relying upon the precise hole size and placement
> necessary with the pop can stove. If there is any difference in the fuel
> efficiency or time-to-boil of any of the simple alcohol stoves it?s a
> pretty
> thin point in real practice.
>
>
>
> My preference is to use a regular, non-contact, cat food or pop can
> stove. With
> these stoves I can burn alcohol as intended, or I can turn the stove over
> and place a solid fuel square on its bottom for equally good results. In
> either case the same pot support and wind screen are used.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Has anyone ever used these? Pros or Cons? What other alcohol stoves are
> > people using? I was originally planning on using Evernew's DX but it
> would
> > seem that it's quite the fuel hog....
> >
> > cheers,
> > Mike
> >
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> Message: 46
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:30:28 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Photographs
> To: Rick Paulus <rspaulus at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTim5nhmBnJ=bP+0UM1oZjrnY4DSiZimyrXgoq8tS at mail.gmail.com<bP%2B0UM1oZjrnY4DSiZimyrXgoq8tS at mail.gmail.com>
> >
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> Good morning, Rick,
>
> The existing PCT Class of ?03, ?04, ?05, ?06, ?07, ?08, and soon-to-be ?10
> photo DVDs are an astounding presentation of what you want. They are a mix
> of scenery, flora/fauna, hikers, Angels, both serious and light-hearted.
>
>
>
> Someone can send you copies or they can be downloaded. They are
> specifically not for sale.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Rick Paulus <rspaulus at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Happy New Year, everyone! My wife, Julie, and I have been asked to make
> a
> > presentation of our hike to townsfolk here in our little hamlet on Cape
> > Cod. As we are gathering good photos for the powerpoint presentation, it
> > has come to our attention that just about every photo is of a beautiful
> > vista or trail shot. We are sorely missing the daily minutia of daily
> life
> > on the trail; dirty feet, blisters, road walks, water caches, ANYTHING
> > besides a beautiful mountain scene, which we have plenty of!
> >
> > If anyone out there has pics of these things that they are willing to
> share
> > with us, and our townsfolk, please email them along to me. Thank you so
> > very much!
> > rspaulus at gmail.com
> >
> > --
> > Rick Paulus
> > 12 High Street
> > Orleans, MA 02653
> > 774-323-0050
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> Message: 47
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:41:24 -0500
> From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ''Battle of the Sexes''
> To: <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
> <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>, <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <COL112-W17C6CFDA0BBD1158806B5AD8070 at phx.gbl>
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>
> I have never met Melanie nor have I met Switchback. Heck, I haven't even
> seen pictures of them.
> But for what it is worth, I'll put my money on Melanie.
> It's just a hunch.
>
> Ernie Castillo
> PCT Class of 1980, when the only contests were to see who could eat the
> most Ramen in one sitting.
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:03:39 -0800
> > From: reinholdmetzger at cox.net
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net; melaniekclarke at gmail.com; hiker97 at aol.com
> > Subject: [pct-l] ''Battle of the Sexes''
> >
> > Melanie wrote:
> > .......I'm the strongest woman I know and stronger than most men my age.
> > --------------------------------------
> > JMT Reinhold writes:
> > Interesting Melanie, very interesting.
> >
> > I say we put this to the test....I say Melanie and Switchback should
> > have an arm wrestling contest at the ''KO'' and settle this issue once
> > and for all.
> > I am sure ''BRUTE SWITCHBACK'' will be able to prove and uphold man's
> > superiority.
> >
> > JMT Reinhold
> > _______________________________________________
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