[pct-l] take care of your angels! don't be an ass

[Kevin]

I sure hope you're hiking this year Patti. You crack me up. :) I look forward to seeing you on the trail. 

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On Feb 25, 2011, at 6:05 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> really someone snapped at y'all? O no they di'nt! OMG had I been there to see 
> that...just before u booted them from ur vehicle I would have given them a piece 
> of my mind and maybe even a black eye so they could remember what NOT to say and 
> how NOT to act the next time gggrrr...BE NICE TO THE ANGELS people WTF!
> 
> patti 
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> ________________________________
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> To: pctl <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 3:37:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] take care of your angels! don't be an ass
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> 
> My GF and I do a bit of driving for Hiker Heaven in Agua Dulce.
> 
> Last year, between the middle of May until the middle of June, we clocked about 
> 3000 miles driving hikers.
> 
> We discourage cash offerings (but if gas hits $5/gal that might have to change!  
> ;-) and are really interested in meeting hikers and hearing what they have been 
> doing, what works and what doesn't.  On many days, we had two cars going from 
> morning to evening.
> 
> What hikers can do for us is mostly to help us help them:
> 
> - don't ask for rides that are unreasonable: Disneyland, the movies, really 
> early in the morning, late in the evening
> - if you need to schedule something, work with us:  train connection, doctor's 
> appointment
> - if we can give you a ride to someplace that we're already going (REI) don't 
> "pass until tomorrow"
> - if we have a carload heading out, be ready and don't ask if we can wait for an 
> hour while you finish eating
> - don't go "just to go and see", we only have so many seats and because you're 
> partner is going, well...
> - don't walk off!  We might be trying to keep track of 4-8 people at REI, keep 
> in touch and don't just wander out to eat
> - be understanding of your fellows; we might make stops on a trip that you don't 
> need but the person sitting next to you does
> - don't be picky - if you don't like shopping at WalMart or want some special 
> vegan brand of prepackaged polenta; with The Trail comes compromise...
> 
> Extra Special, but certainly uncommon:
> - don't be rude.  We had a someone act totally inappropriate once, other times 
> mostly fine.  If I had been driving, I'd have put this hiker out by the side of 
> the freeway.  Another situation, I asked a hiker a simple question and got 
> snapped at - no ride for you.
> 
> We enjoy a lot of our time spent with hikers and with Donna and Jeff (and JJ et 
> al!!!).  There are great stories and interesting people but please remember; we 
> have lives and we have jobs (flexible ones yes, but we do make less $$$ during 
> hiker season) and we have other things that we could and sometimes NEED to be 
> doing.  We try to help the most people to the greatest extent possible with the 
> time and resources available.
> 
> BillB
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> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Timothy Nye wrote:
> 
>> Well said, Sugar Mama.
>> 
>> I've been on both sides of this equation over the last couple of years.  I
>> have to say that in my experience it is rare for a hiker to offer any
>> financial help at a trail head (food/rides) absent there being a sign or a
>> donation jar (as at Casa Herrera), but then there were several who I felt
>> could least afford it that left me feeling bad if I didn't accept something
>> from them after repeated offers when I really didn't want to take their
>> money.
>> 
>> No sign: 20% offered
>> 
>> Sign: 80%
>> 
>> I think her suggested figures are spot on.
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