[pct-l] stitches-don't do it

[Ken Murray]

The issue of glue doesn't change the basic problem of wound sterility.  If you seal a dirty wound, the odds of an infection are high.

Now if you do that at home, so what?  You run down to the urgent care center and get it taken care of.  But deep in the mountains, you may have a real problem.  Context matters.

In my occasional urgent care shifts, i'll see someone who has done this, with bad results.  They get the glue IN the wound (no good), they don't get the wound edges together, they've got pus pouring out of the edges.

I'm positive that people get away with doing this, perhaps even the majority of the time.  But context matters.  I've treated hundreds, if not thousands of wounds that would just make you weak-kneed, in which the would was packed open, and the person was able to pursue their normal activities. (although 40 mile days on the affected leg was not one of those scenarios!)

Conservative wound care virtually always works well, but aggressive wound care may be very problematic, and it really taking a chance.

Hope that makes sense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
To: "Ken Murray" <kmurray at pol.net>
Cc: "." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:56:01 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stitches-don't do it



Ok doc how about crazy clue? Stop the bleeding clean the wound and glue it shut.  I have done this on myself so far so good.  No problems of course im talking cuts not almost took the finger off or I can see bone.  I guess im asking if I had no choice stiches or crazy glue what would u do? 
Fyi crazy glue is a part of my first aid kit 
Gerry0625 
On Feb 23, 2011 11:48 AM, "Ken Murray" < kmurray at pol.net > wrote: 
> In medical practice, there is a saying: "First, do no harm" 
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> There is a lot of chatter about applying stitches, by folks who have never done it, and don't know the problems involved. So, as a physician and surgeon, who has sewn up thousands of people, and teaches the skills at a medical school, lets go over the issues, and see if you REALLY want to get involved. 
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> When the skin is disrupted, there are several problems: we usually have bleeding, and we have lost the defense against infection of the skin. Applying stitches to stop bleeding is not the correct action, nor even probably possible, in the field. 
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> So the issue is the re-establishment of the skin protective barrier. When one *correctly* stitches a wound, one re-established the barrier immediately. But there are assumptions contained within this action! 
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> It's the assumptions that always get you. 
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> -We never apply stitches to a dirty wound. When we say dirty, we mean non-sterile. GENERALLY, we prefer a wound that has been CREATED in a sterile environment, such as an operation room. It is a phenominally important part, perhaps THE most important part of applying stitches, the wound preparation. 
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> -Bleeding must be completely stopped. Otherwise, a pool of blood will accumulate under the skin which is a perfect "petri dish" for an infection. A slow "ooze" can really mess this up. 
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> -The wound must be lavishly flushed with fluid. This would be measured in gallons, not quarts. You would want some pressure behind it. In the ER, we use a pressure device, in the field, holding a container several feet above the wound would work. The tiniest bit of foreign matter left in a wound increases the rate of infection 1000-fold. 
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> -It is CRITICAL to remove any devitalized (dead) tissue from the wound. If a wound is closed with this inside, it is a perfect growth medium for infection. This means that you have to be able to recognize what is devitalized, and what is not, and CUT AWAY the bad stuff. (Hard to do without good instruments, BTW). You also need to get the edges of the wound smooth and lined up. Trying to sew something that is 3 inches on one side to 5 inches on the other side is not simple. 
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> -You want to maintain the sterility of the wound that you have so carefully prepared. The problem is, as soon as you take that sterile suture pack out of the package, it is contaminated. Sewing needles are not sterile, dental floss is not sterile, my hands are DEFINITELY not sterile, no matter how much I wash them. So we KNOW that we will have a contaminated wound. 
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> -Now we come to the sewing itself. There are a lot of stitches one can use, but this is not like sewing a shirt. From the top of the wound, the line needs to run to the bottom of the wound, so that when the line is tightened, there is no space left, or else it fills up with blood/fluid, once again a perfect place for infection to get started, particularly in a contaminated wound. 
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> -Assuming repetitive single interrupted stitches (by FAR the best for anyone but experts at this to use), it is CRITICAL to tighten the stitches PRECISELY and CORRECTLY. If you tie them too loosely, you have not re-established the protective barrier of the skin, and the whole thing has been a waste of time. But if you tie it too TIGHTLY, you will reduce the circulation into the wound, which carries the healing elements, including the components of the immune system that fights off infection, and HUGELY increases the risk of infection. 
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> -If there is a lot of abrasion, which is common in traumatic wounds, you want to be careful where you place the stitches. It the stitch runs through the abrasion field, it will inhibit healing and promote infection. There is a certain amount of technique involved. 
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> -Here we run into the problem of swelling. When the skin has been injured by a severe enough traumatic wound to consider stitches, it has sustained a lot of secondary injury (this is where an injury wound is very different than a created wound in the operating theater). As a result, the area of the wound WILL swell during the next 24 hours. That means that the stitches that were placed at the correct tightness at the time of repair, will gradually over the course of hours become TOO TIGHT, and STRANGULATE the wound, cutting off the circulation. Yikes! 
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> -Surgeons have special techniques of tying knots that have the effect of being like "shock absorbers", so that they gradually expand to accomodate swelling of a sewn wound, and eliminate the above effect. However, this would be difficult to do with non-medical grade materials, and without instruments, as one would have in the field. 
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> The bottom line is that MOST of the time, sewing a wound in the field WILL result in an infected wound, and you have converted a relatively simple problem into a relatively complex problem. Management of a sewn, infected wound, is a real problem. You MUST remove the stitches to manage the infection. 
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> So, what do do? We teach never to close (by stitching or gluing(I'm not a glue fan, BTW)) a wound in the field. I never would. Leave the wound open, but covered. Clean it with plain soap and water (alcohol, bad, iodine, bad) multiple times a day. Slap some neosporin on it, cover. They will ALMOST NEVER become infected. They will heal beautifully. You can do a whole lot wrong with this technique, and things will still turn out perfectly ok. 
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> If one cannot manage with the open wound, then you have to leave the trail, and have the wound taken care of. 
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> Concepts in first aid management of wounds has evolved a lot in the last few decades, based upon increasingly good information and research. It is probably a good idea for anyone embarking on the PCT to avail themselves of a current WFA or better course, but even taking one of the free online first aid courses would be better than nothing. 
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> Of course, your mileage may vary. :) 
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