[pct-l] stitches-don't do it

Eric johner27 at evergreen.edu
Wed Feb 23 14:09:56 CST 2011


Ken,

Thank you very much for writing this.  This is echoing what my WFA teacher
said: don't practice medicine outside your scope.  If in doubt, evacuate
ASAP!  She also recommended this exact method

"We teach never to close (by stitching or gluing(I'm not a glue fan, BTW)) a
wound in the field.  I never would.  Leave the wound open, but covered.
Clean it with plain soap and water (alcohol, bad, iodine, bad) multiple
times a day.  Slap some neosporin on it, cover.  They will ALMOST NEVER
become infected. They will heal beautifully. You can do a whole lot wrong
with this technique, and things will still turn out perfectly ok."

She didn't recommend the soap, but having two experts concur on leaving
wounds open affirms that in my mind.  If in doubt, get them out of the
backcountry!

Regards,
Eric


On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net> wrote:

> In medical practice, there is a saying:  "First, do no harm"
>
> There is a lot of chatter about applying stitches, by folks who have never
> done it, and don't know the problems involved.  So, as a physician and
> surgeon, who has sewn up thousands of people, and teaches the skills at a
> medical school, lets go over the issues, and see if you REALLY want to get
> involved.
>
> When the skin is disrupted, there are several problems:  we usually have
> bleeding, and we have lost the defense against infection of the skin.
>  Applying stitches to stop bleeding is not the correct action, nor even
> probably possible, in the field.
>
> So the issue is the re-establishment of the skin protective barrier.  When
> one *correctly* stitches a wound, one re-established the barrier
> immediately.  But there are assumptions contained within this action!
>
> It's the assumptions that always get you.
>
> -We never apply stitches to a dirty wound.  When we say dirty, we mean
> non-sterile.  GENERALLY, we prefer a wound that has been CREATED in a
> sterile environment, such as an operation room.  It is a phenominally
> important part, perhaps THE most important part of applying stitches, the
> wound preparation.
>
> -Bleeding must be completely stopped.  Otherwise, a pool of blood will
> accumulate under the skin which is a perfect "petri dish" for an infection.
>  A slow "ooze" can really mess this up.
>
> -The wound must be lavishly flushed with fluid.  This would be measured in
> gallons, not quarts.  You would want some pressure behind it.  In the ER, we
> use a pressure device, in the field, holding a container several feet above
> the wound would work.  The tiniest bit of foreign matter left in a wound
> increases the rate of infection 1000-fold.
>
> -It is CRITICAL to remove any devitalized (dead) tissue from the wound.  If
> a wound is closed with this inside, it is a perfect growth medium for
> infection.  This means that you have to be able to recognize what is
> devitalized, and what is not, and CUT AWAY the bad stuff.   (Hard to do
> without good instruments, BTW).  You also need to get the edges of the wound
> smooth and lined up.  Trying to sew something that is 3 inches on one side
> to 5 inches on the other side is not simple.
>
> -You want to maintain the sterility of the wound that you have so carefully
> prepared.  The problem is, as soon as you take that sterile suture pack out
> of the package, it is contaminated.  Sewing needles are not sterile, dental
> floss is not sterile, my hands are DEFINITELY not sterile, no matter how
> much I wash them.  So we KNOW that we will have a contaminated wound.
>
> -Now we come to the sewing itself.  There are a lot of stitches one can
> use, but this is not like sewing a shirt.  From the top of the wound, the
> line needs to run to the bottom of the wound, so that when the line is
> tightened, there is no space left, or else it fills up with blood/fluid,
> once again a perfect place for infection to get started, particularly in a
> contaminated wound.
>
> -Assuming repetitive single interrupted stitches (by FAR the best for
> anyone but experts at this to use), it is CRITICAL to tighten the stitches
> PRECISELY and CORRECTLY.  If you tie them too loosely, you have not
> re-established the protective barrier of the skin, and the whole thing has
> been a waste of time.  But if you tie it too TIGHTLY, you will reduce the
> circulation into the wound, which carries the healing elements, including
> the components of the immune system that fights off infection, and HUGELY
> increases the risk of infection.
>
> -If there is a lot of abrasion, which is common in traumatic wounds, you
> want to be careful where you place the stitches.  It the stitch runs through
> the abrasion field, it will inhibit healing and promote infection.  There is
> a certain amount of technique involved.
>
> -Here we run into the problem of swelling.  When the skin has been injured
> by a severe enough traumatic wound to consider stitches, it has sustained a
> lot of secondary injury (this is where an injury wound is very different
> than a created wound in the operating theater).  As a result, the area of
> the wound WILL swell during the next 24 hours.  That means that the
>  stitches that were placed at the correct tightness at the time of repair,
> will gradually over the course of hours become TOO TIGHT, and STRANGULATE
> the wound, cutting off the circulation.  Yikes!
>
> -Surgeons have special techniques of tying knots that have the effect of
> being like "shock absorbers", so that they gradually expand to accomodate
> swelling of a sewn wound, and eliminate the above effect.  However, this
> would be difficult to do with non-medical grade materials, and without
> instruments, as one would have in the field.
>
> The bottom line is that MOST of the time, sewing a wound in the field WILL
> result in an infected wound, and you have converted a relatively simple
> problem into a relatively complex problem.  Management of a sewn, infected
> wound, is a real problem.  You MUST remove the stitches to manage the
> infection.
>
> So, what do do?  We teach never to close (by stitching or gluing(I'm not a
> glue fan, BTW)) a wound in the field.  I never would.  Leave the wound open,
> but covered. Clean it with plain soap and water (alcohol, bad, iodine, bad)
> multiple times a day.  Slap some neosporin on it, cover.  They will ALMOST
> NEVER become infected. They will heal beautifully. You can do a whole lot
> wrong with this technique, and things will still turn out perfectly ok.
>
> If one cannot manage with the open wound, then you have to leave the trail,
> and have the wound taken care of.
>
> Concepts in first aid management of wounds has evolved a lot in the last
> few decades, based upon increasingly good information and research.  It is
> probably a good idea for anyone embarking on the PCT to avail themselves of
> a current WFA or better course, but even taking one of the free online first
> aid courses would be better than nothing.
>
> Of course, your mileage may vary.  :)
>
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