[pct-l] horses

[James Vesely]

Geeez, what's wrong with this guy!  I never said anything about FREE!
And I don't see anything elitist or arrogant about having a little
respect for and being courteous to each other!     

It is obvious from the posts that a lot of hikers are a little miffed
about horses and their rider's attitudes on the trail.   No one is
insinuating that we should eliminate horses but rather that we should
have a better understanding on how one affects the other and show a
little respect, it goes both ways.   

I also thing that if horse people (packers) would show a little good
will toward hikers by carrying food drops for reasonable fees hikers
would quickly become ecstatic about horses sharing the trail or at least
see them as more of a benefactor then nuisance.    And I think it goes
without saying that no one here is talking about pack animals used for
trail maintenance but rather commercial pack operations, hunters or
horses used for pleasure. 

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
chiefcowboy at verizon.net
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:40 PM
To: Mike Yanasak; rob gratz
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] horses

Actually Mike, I think you have me mistaken with someone else's posts.  
All I have said on this topic is that (1)  It is no big deal to stop
over or around horse droppings (2)  I hoped that hikers would not be
viewed as arrogant elitists who felt we owned the trail and (3) the guy
who wanted free or reduced fee backcounty pack services was out of line.

Anything else must have been posted by someone else.

Your apology will be accepted graciously because I never said what you
attribute to me.

And, by the way, Merry Christmas.

From: Mike Yanasak 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:26 PM
To: rob gratz 
Cc: chiefcowboy at verizon.net ; Edward Anderson ; pct-l at backcountry.net 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] horses

Well, that is interesting but irrelevant to my points.  ChiefCowboy
accused me of expressing my "ignorance of reality" (sic), and then went
on to make several statements, none of which had any relation to my
post.  I would, if possible, humbly request this ChiefCowboy fella to
kindly dissect my post, item by item, and show me where I erred so that
I may, in the future, be more correct (and I may even learn to
appreciate horses on the trails). 
Here it is, again, Cowboy.  Have at 'er, please try again:


I look upon horses and mules as a pox on the trails--especially during
hunting season.  I hike mostly in the N. Cascades of Washington.  Some
trails have become essentially ditches at least two feet deep (check out
the area between Reflection Lake and White Pass as well as the trail,
although not PCT, between Holden and Lyman Lake.  I have also seen
horses tied to mission......................