[pct-l] Fw: Re: Dogs in National Parks/horses/mules/llamas

[Charles Williams]

--- On Fri, 12/16/11, Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs in National Parks/horses/mules/llamas
To: "Hillary Schwirtlich" <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 10:43 AM







Yes, horses can be unpredictable.  They are a prey animal which means for many millenia the ones that survived long enough to breed were the ones that jumped the hardest and ran the fastest when they percieved danger.  This is not allways the same as real danger.  Their natural behavior when faced with a predator (or what they think may be a predator) is flight.  Bucking is another of the "wonderful" things that horses do.  All horses have a little buck in them.  
 
The first day at a college I'm attending where I study horses the instructor said...make your life with horses and they will hurt you.
 
Charles

--- On Fri, 12/16/11, Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Hillary Schwirtlich <hillary.schwirtlich at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs in National Parks/horses/mules/llamas
To: "James Vesely" <JVesely at edmsupply.com>
Cc: "pctl" <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:28 AM


Oh, I hope I don't come off as elitist, I just wish everyone was held to
the same Leave No Trace standards.

And they wouldn't have to carry out all that crap, they could just check it
when they take a break and then deposit the waste a little bit off the
trail.

And I haven't felt that I've been looked down on by horse riders (aside
from the obvious fact that, you know, their heads are usually at least two
feet above mine). They've always been very nice to me, just as nice as
almost everyone else on trail.

Only slightly off topic, I've only felt bad around horses because they
often totally freaked out this year while Chilidog and I were around. One
horse bucked off its rider (after staring at us for a good fifteen
seconds), one mule loosened a pannier enough to make his lead rider have to
get off and fix it. We didn't do anything unusual - we made sure they knew
we were there and spoke in calm voices, we didn't wave our poles around.
Stepped off the trail downhill, like you're supposed to. It was weird.

Seahorse

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:02 AM, James Vesely <JVesely at edmsupply.com>wrote:

> As far as "elitist" goes I think it is the other way around.  I don't
> hold anything against horses or their riders but I have gotten on
> several occasions the feel from packers that as a hiker I was somehow
> subpar or a nuisance to them.   Has anyone else felt that way?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
> chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:58 AM
> To: Hillary Schwirtlich; Charles Williams
> Cc: pctl
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs in National Parks/horses/mules/llamas
>
> It's simply part of the wilderness experience.  On my entire thru hike I
>
> never had to "wade through" it, simply step over or around it.  I'm just
>
> glad the equestrians have the same opportunity to enjoy the trail and
> the
> beauty of the back country as we do.  I'd hate to have hikers listed as
> "elitist snobs" who own the trail.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hillary Schwirtlich
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:24 PM
> To: Charles Williams
> Cc: pctl
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Dogs in National Parks/horses/mules/llamas
>
> I think "offensive" is a relative term. I don't really care what's in
> it,
> whether it's horse poo or dog poo or people poo. It's offensive to me to
> have to wade through poo on the trail - or worse, kick it aside in the
> only
> good campsite around. (The only exception to this is wild animal
> scat).................
>
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