[pct-l] ideal spot between Warner Springs and Big Bear

[Keith Robertson]

The trails crosses the I 10 before Palm Springs and he could meet you there.

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>    1. Ideal spot between Warner Springs and Big Bear (Sam Griffin)
>    2. Section Edeath at detour (Perry Chamberlain)
>    3. Re: Ideal spot between Warner Springs and Big Bear (Ate Tuna)
>    4. Re: Sleeping gear recommendations
>       (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>    5. Re: Castella resupply (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>    6. Re: Mail,its like a burrito (Scott Bryce)
>    7. Re: Section Edeath at detour (gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
>    8. Ticked Off (Glenn Bradford)
>    9. Re: Deet (CHUCK CHELIN)
>   10. Re: 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking (Kolby Kirk)
>   11. Re: Section Edeath at detour (Kolby Kirk)
>   12. Re: Ticked Off (Kolby Kirk)
>   13. Re: 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking (Kevin Renfrow)
>   14. Splinters cabin trailhead? (mardav at charter.net)
>   15. Re: 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking (patti kulesz)
>   16. Re: Ticked Off (Glenn Bradford)
>   17. Re: Section Edeath at detour (patti kulesz)
>   18. Neo-Air mattress (Louise Wholey)
>   19. Re: Neo-Air mattress (Toby Maxwell)
>   20. Water first 20 miles (Jackie McDonnell)
>   21. Re: Neo-Air mattress (Edward Anderson)
>   22. Re: Neo-Air mattress (Peter Shaw)
>   23. Re: Water first 20 miles (patti kulesz)
>   24. Re: Deet (Jeb Bates)
>   25. Re: Water first 20 miles (Ate Tuna)
>   26. Re: lyme disease on the PCT (was Deet) (goslowgofar)
>   27. Re: Deet (Alley Kitten)
>   28. Re: Section Edeath at detour (Kolby Kirk)
>   29. Re: lyme disease on the PCT (was Deet) (Edward Anderson)
>   30. Re: Section Edeath at detour (patti kulesz)
>   31. Re: Section Edeath at detour (Kolby Kirk)
>   32. Re: lyme disease on the PCT (was Deet) (Kolby Kirk)
>   33. Re: Ticked Off (Kolby Kirk)
>   34. Re: Neo-Air mattress (Kolby Kirk)
>   35. Re: Section Edeath at detour (Ate Tuna)
>   36. Re: Neo-Air mattress (Ate Tuna)
>   37. Re: Water first 20 miles (dicentra)
>   38. Re: Section Edeath at detour (patti kulesz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:13:50 -0400
> From: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ideal spot between Warner Springs and Big Bear
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey all! I start my hike tomorrow wooohoooo. But, on another note, I have a
> friend that I am meeting for the Big Bear to Wrightwood section, and,
> because of plane ticket issues, I am starting my hike a few days later than
> I had originally planned. Seeing as he already has a plane ticket, this
> creates a problem (I'd have to do 30+ milers right out of the gate to meet
> him on time. Not going to happen.)
> 
> That said, can anyone recommend a good place to meet someone between Warner
> Springs and Big Bear? This would prevent him from hiking towards me, and
> then turning around and following me back to where he started. He has no
> problem with hitching, so a bus or car is not needed. However, if anyone
> would be willing to give him a lift, he'd pay both ways in gas (gas prices
> are insane!).
> 
> Let me know, and thanks PCTL for helping me work towards my hike with
> confidence! See some of you out there!
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <29539.71228.qm at web121217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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> Saw this this morning
>  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911 to report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek spillway, near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San Bernardino County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County Sheriff&#39;s Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an adult male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding his bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined by fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An autopsy will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino County Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030 EM]
> 
> 
> Canoeman
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:22:34 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ideal spot between Warner Springs and Big Bear
> To: Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> If you're able to meet a little before Warner Springs, then he could take
> the following bus out of San Diego.
> http://www.sdmts.com/mtscr/Route.aspx?r=892
> 
> <http://www.sdmts.com/mtscr/Route.aspx?r=892>He could go to Palm Springs and
> take the tram up.  He'd only have to hike a few miles to meet you.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Sam Griffin <samgriffin4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hey all! I start my hike tomorrow wooohoooo. But, on another note, I have a
> > friend that I am meeting for the Big Bear to Wrightwood section, and,
> > because of plane ticket issues, I am starting my hike a few days later than
> > I had originally planned. Seeing as he already has a plane ticket, this
> > creates a problem (I'd have to do 30+ milers right out of the gate to meet
> > him on time. Not going to happen.)
> >
> > That said, can anyone recommend a good place to meet someone between Warner
> > Springs and Big Bear? This would prevent him from hiking towards me, and
> > then turning around and following me back to where he started. He has no
> > problem with hitching, so a bus or car is not needed. However, if anyone
> > would be willing to give him a lift, he'd pay both ways in gas (gas prices
> > are insane!).
> >
> > Let me know, and thanks PCTL for helping me work towards my hike with
> > confidence! See some of you out there!
> >
> > Sam
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:25:16 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping gear recommendations
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I'm with Steele-Eye on wanting sleeping gear that is worry-free. I'm  
> also female and 46. I sleep just fine on K-mart blue foam velcroed to  
> a 6-panel chunk of Z-rest, despite having hips.
> 
> I used to suffer because of my hips and than I realized if I just  
> moved my hips a certain way, they were out of the way and I could  
> sleep fine. I also sleep on my back a lot. "But I'm a side-sleeper,"  
> I can hear somebody saying. Yeah, I've been a side sleeper, a stomach  
> sleeper and a back sleeper throughout my life. It changes. Nothing is  
> stuck one way. We are human animals and our natural sleep as  
> creatures of the earth isn't 2-feet of toxic memory foam.
> 
> Anyway, after my hike, I found it hard to sleep on a mattress with a  
> pillow. It took weeks to get used to it. It seems like a must-have  
> that you have to have this or that to sleep, but it's illusion. You  
> just need to be sleepy, warm and feel safe. It takes a lot less to  
> give you this than it seems at first.
> 
> I'm sure you don't need giant gaps between the pads to make the  
> accordion folds. It would likely be less of a gap than you would ever  
> notice.
> On Apr 18, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> 
> > Brandon wrote:
> >>
> > One concern: If I space the pads a bit before taping them together,  
> > won't I
> > feel the gaps when I sleep on it?
> >>
> >
> > It's not just Steel-Eye's eye that's made of steel.  Don't be  
> > asking a guy
> > who sleeps on duct-taped-together strips of closed-cell foam for  
> > comfort
> > advice.  :-)
> >
> > Eric
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:36:21 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Castella resupply
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> And, it's probably less dangerous to walk that short distance on the  
> Interstate than to walk the RR tracks. Maybe, maybe not. I already  
> mentioned that I walked the tracks to Dunsmuir. I saw a train go by  
> before I started walking the tracks, but while I was walking them,  
> there were a few spots that made me quite nervous and I either  
> quickened my pace or I made mental notes of how I would manage  
> bailing over the edge or both. I think I was almost as nervous about  
> getting caught as I was about getting trapped in a tight spot.  
> Fortunately I saw no trains during my traverse of the tracks.
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> 
> >  that since there was no frontage road paralleling the Interstate it
> > was legal to hike on it's shoulder.
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > According to my retired CHP sergeant, yes, if not posted other wise  
> > you can walk along the freeway from Castella to Dunsmuir. BUT, he  
> > stresses greatly as to how dangerous that practice can be. You can,  
> > of course, stand at the on ramp and hitch.
> >
> > are we there yet
> >
> >
> > ...going to the mountains is going home.
> >
> > John Muir
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:44:38 -0600
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mail,its like a burrito
> To: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4DAC7886.8010200 at scottbryce.com>
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> On 4/17/2011 1:44 PM, Mike Chapman wrote:
> > Now im trusting "new people" that run a grease griddle to trust there
> > food,and all the food and gear(personal letters,money,pictures) I
> > need to survive for days!
> 
> Not really. Paradise Cafe is only 2 days out of Warner Springs and 3
> days out of Idyllwild via the Devil Slide trail. If you really wanted
> to, you could hitch into Idyllwild from Paradise Cafe, or from the place
> where the trail crosses the highway, in which case you would ride right
> past Paradise Cafe.
> 
> One does not NEED to resupply there, though you will probably need to
> stop there for water. Resupply at PC is a convenience, but hardly a
> necessity. If you don't like their policy, don't send a package there.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:52:39 +0000
> From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <20110418175239.PTVZ3.198941.root at hrndva-web10-z01>
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> 
> That's around 6 hours in the future?
> 
> ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> > Saw this this morning
>  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911 to report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek spillway, near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San Bernardino County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an adult male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding his bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined by fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An autopsy will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino County Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030 EM]
> 
> 
> Canoeman
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:53:22 -0500
> From: Glenn Bradford <glenn.bradford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ticked Off
> To: PCT List List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Thanks to Alley Kitten's tip, I just got my tick remover in the mail.
> And they were sharing the love and sent two... If you want one, just
> let me know your address and I'll send it to you.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:08:08 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> To: gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTindD1X=Lok6d=zz360ineAgApSxsg at mail.gmail.com>
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> Good morning, Gary,
> 
> The two trips to which I refer were in extremely dry years.  I speculate the
> reason I didn?t collect ticks is because they found it difficult to jump
> from the bush to my leg while wearing a heavy hydration pack.  Or something
> like that?.
> 
> 
> 
> Steel-Eye
> 
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:15 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > ---- CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
> > > Good afternoon, all,
> > >
> > > After several spring/early summer trips between the border and Kennedy
> > > Meadows without DEET or Permethrin my S.Cal. tick-total stands at exactly
> > > one:  I picked up that one just south of Cajon Junction in the grassy
> > Little
> > > Horsethief Canyon.
> >
> > You are a man of good fortune, Chuck. Maybe it has something to do with
> > body chemistry? My good friend George Wysup was a tick magnet, and had much
> > interaction with the little bugs in SoCal.
> > http://angeles.sierraclub.org/hps/archives/hps01474.htm
> > http://angeles.sierraclub.org/hps/archives/hps01517.htm
> >
> > Gary
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:15:53 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking
> To: "Tow, Doug" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTin5mqopUbYYxY6DFM5mQKtc492KMw at mail.gmail.com>
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> Fantastic, Doug!  Too bad the 11th commandment there in your sig is keeping
> me from sharing it with the rest of the world...
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>wrote:
> 
> > The 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking
> >
> > 1.  Thou shalt honor thy angels steadfastly, for life would be less
> > without them.
> > 2.  Thou shalt tip well in towns, lest thee burn with fire for eternity.
> > 3.  Obsess not over miles, nor grams, nor anything else of little
> > consequence.
> > 4.  Thou shalt not trifle with bears, for thou art savory, and taste
> > good with ketchup.
> > 5.  Call your mother.
> > 6.  Of thy feet care greatly, for lo, they are with you always.
> > 7.  Honor those deep, fast streams, lest thou not succeed to another
> > generation.
> > 8.  Verily it is not always about thou.
> > 9.  Humbly give thanks daily to the magnificence of Mars and Hershey.
> > 10.  Thou shalt leaven with laughter all the days of thy hike.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:19:45 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
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> Tragic!
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:52 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > That's around 6 hours in the future?
> >
> > ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Saw this this morning
> >  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911 to
> > report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek spillway,
> > near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San Bernardino
> > County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's
> > Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an adult
> > male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding his
> > bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined by
> > fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An autopsy
> > will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino County
> > Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030 EM]
> >
> >
> > Canoeman
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:20:50 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticked Off
> To: Glenn Bradford <glenn.bradford at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT List List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> You going to be at the KO, Glenn?  I'll take one if you are. How much are
> they? :)
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Glenn Bradford
> <glenn.bradford at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to Alley Kitten's tip, I just got my tick remover in the mail.
> > And they were sharing the love and sent two... If you want one, just
> > let me know your address and I'll send it to you.
> >
> > Glenn
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:40:34 -0700
> From: Kevin Renfrow <kevinrenfrow at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking
> To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Tow, Doug"
> 	<DTow at americanriverbank.com>
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> Speaking of which, just read this earlier this morning about the
> 'legal' junk at the bottom of emails:
> http://www.economist.com/node/18529895
> 
> -Kevin
> http://www.hikingwithcrohns.com/
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
> > Fantastic, Doug! ?Too bad the 11th commandment there in your sig is keeping
> > me from sharing it with the rest of the world...
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>wrote:
> >
> >> The 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking
> >>
> >> 1. ?Thou shalt honor thy angels steadfastly, for life would be less
> >> without them.
> >> 2. ?Thou shalt tip well in towns, lest thee burn with fire for eternity.
> >> 3. ?Obsess not over miles, nor grams, nor anything else of little
> >> consequence.
> >> 4. ?Thou shalt not trifle with bears, for thou art savory, and taste
> >> good with ketchup.
> >> 5. ?Call your mother.
> >> 6. ?Of thy feet care greatly, for lo, they are with you always.
> >> 7. ?Honor those deep, fast streams, lest thou not succeed to another
> >> generation.
> >> 8. ?Verily it is not always about thou.
> >> 9. ?Humbly give thanks daily to the magnificence of Mars and Hershey.
> >> 10. ?Thou shalt leaven with laughter all the days of thy hike.
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
> >>
> >> ?This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
> >> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:50:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: mardav at charter.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Splinters cabin trailhead?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> We are planning to drive in to Splinters Cabin trailhead next weekend to 
> do trailwork.  Has anyone been there recently?  Is it possible to drive 
> all the way to the Splinters parking lot?
> llamalady
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking
> To: Kevin Renfrow <kevinrenfrow at gmail.com>, Kolby Kirk
> 	<admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Tow, Doug"
> 	<DTow at americanriverbank.com>
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> I like this Doug very awesome thanx! I know to whom # 8 can apply to fo realz!
>  
> Sugar Moma  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Kevin Renfrow <kevinrenfrow at gmail.com>
> To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>; "Tow, Doug" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:40:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking
> 
> Speaking of which, just read this earlier this morning about the
> 'legal' junk at the bottom of emails:
> http://www.economist.com/node/18529895
> 
> -Kevin
> http://www.hikingwithcrohns.com/
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
> > Fantastic, Doug!  Too bad the 11th commandment there in your sig is keeping
> > me from sharing it with the rest of the world...
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>wrote:
> >
> >> The 10 Commandments of Thru-Hiking
> >>
> >> 1.  Thou shalt honor thy angels steadfastly, for life would be less
> >> without them.
> >> 2.  Thou shalt tip well in towns, lest thee burn with fire for eternity.
> >> 3.  Obsess not over miles, nor grams, nor anything else of little
> >> consequence.
> >> 4.  Thou shalt not trifle with bears, for thou art savory, and taste
> >> good with ketchup.
> >> 5.  Call your mother.
> >> 6.  Of thy feet care greatly, for lo, they are with you always.
> >> 7.  Honor those deep, fast streams, lest thou not succeed to another
> >> generation.
> >> 8.  Verily it is not always about thou.
> >> 9.  Humbly give thanks daily to the magnificence of Mars and Hershey.
> >> 10.  Thou shalt leaven with laughter all the days of thy hike.
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:40:02 -0500
> From: Glenn Bradford <glenn.bradford at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticked Off
> To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Cc: PCT List List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Signed, sealed and delivered to Kolby...I will be at the KO next year.
> Talk to you then perhaps. :)
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
> > You going to be at the KO, Glenn?? I'll take one if you are. How much are
> > they? :)
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Glenn Bradford <glenn.bradford at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks to Alley Kitten's tip, I just got my tick remover in the mail.
> >> And they were sharing the love and sent two... If you want one, just
> >> let me know your address and I'll send it to you.
> >>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:49:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>, gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
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> isn't today the 18th??? according to my laptop it's only 1:48 PM how did this 
> happen already when the coroner case says that on this day...TODAY...at 3:26 PM 
> which hasn't happened yet?????
>  
> Sugar Moma  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> To: gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:19:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> 
> Tragic!
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:52 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > That's around 6 hours in the future?
> >
> > ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Saw this this morning
> >  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911 to
> > report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek spillway,
> > near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San Bernardino
> > County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's
> > Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an adult
> > male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding his
> > bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined by
> > fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An autopsy
> > will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino County
> > Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030 EM]
> >
> >
> > Canoeman
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:58:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I have used a full length Neo-Air mattress a few times.  Now it leaks.  It does 
> not last the night without adding air one or more times.  After trying for many 
> hours, I still cannot find the leak.
> 
> Louise
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:07:01 -0400
> From: Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> To: Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> To find the leak what did you attempt? the best method that I have found for
> thermarests in general is to fill it up and put it under water completely so
> you can see the air bubbles rising.
> 
> -Toby
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > I have used a full length Neo-Air mattress a few times.  Now it leaks.  It
> > does
> > not last the night without adding air one or more times.  After trying for
> > many
> > hours, I still cannot find the leak.
> >
> > Louise
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> To: bmann1 at san.rr.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> There's lots of it.  I would guess at least 6 good-flowing creeks in the first 7-ish miles.  There are two creeks near mile 7 (see halfmile's map, at the word "pacific" around mile 7).  The next water after that is the good-flowing creek at 12.7 (water report mileage).  And I'm at Hauser Creek right now.  It's about 4 feet wide, and flowing good.
> 
> I have never seen water in Hauser creek!
> 
> The water report has a note about trail confusion in the burn area around 8.5.  Nothing seemed confusing to me.
> 
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
> 
> Sent on the go from my Peek
> 
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> To: Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>, Louise Wholey
> 	<louisewholey at yahoo.com>, 	pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <142342.61159.qm at web111617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Louise,
> 
> To find small leaks you?might need greater pressure than you can achieve with 
> your lungs. Realize that when you are laying on the mattress the pressure inside 
> is substantially higher - and air might leak out.? Try using compressed air to 
> raise the pressure to simulate this. Then hold mattress?under water and watch 
> the bubbles. Leaks that can not be detected with just lung pressure can be found 
> this way.
> 
> MendoRider
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
> To: Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 2:07:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> 
> To find the leak what did you attempt? the best method that I have found for
> thermarests in general is to fill it up and put it under water completely so
> you can see the air bubbles rising.
> 
> -Toby
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > I have used a full length Neo-Air mattress a few times.? Now it leaks.? It
> > does
> > not last the night without adding air one or more times.? After trying for
> > many
> > hours, I still cannot find the leak.
> >
> > Louise
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:07:31 -0700
> From: "Peter Shaw" <pshaw999 at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> To: "'Toby Maxwell'" <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>,	"'Louise Wholey'"
> 	<louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> I really don't think that "put it under water completely" after filling it
> with air is feasible. After all, a NeoAir is almost the size of an air
> mattress people float around their pools on. A normal sized person simply
> couldn't exert enough force to hold it all under water. I would think a more
> practical approach is to put a little air in it and then maneuver it so the
> air is in a small section that can then be held under the water. Then just
> move the air along a bit. That's what I do when my bicycle inner tube has a
> pinhole leak.
> 
> Peanut Eater
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Toby Maxwell
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:07 PM
> To: Louise Wholey
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> 
> To find the leak what did you attempt? the best method that I have found for
> thermarests in general is to fill it up and put it under water completely so
> you can see the air bubbles rising.
> 
> -Toby
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Louise Wholey
> <louisewholey at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > I have used a full length Neo-Air mattress a few times.  Now it leaks.  It
> > does
> > not last the night without adding air one or more times.  After trying for
> > many
> > hours, I still cannot find the leak.
> >
> > Louise
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> To: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>, bmann1 at san.rr.com,
> 	pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> wasn't there water in Hauser last year? I seem to recall it being there... I 
> don't think anyone's gonna have any issues with water this year....lucky's will 
> prolly only have to sport two liters max all the way!
>  
> Sugar Moma  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> To: bmann1 at san.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 2:57:57 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> 
> There's lots of it.  I would guess at least 6 good-flowing creeks in the first 
> 7-ish miles.  There are two creeks near mile 7 (see halfmile's map, at the word 
> "pacific" around mile 7).  The next water after that is the good-flowing creek 
> at 12.7 (water report mileage).  And I'm at Hauser Creek right now.  It's about 
> 4 feet wide, and flowing good.
> 
> I have never seen water in Hauser creek!
> 
> The water report has a note about trail confusion in the burn area around 8.5.  
> Nothing seemed confusing to me.
> 
> Yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
> 
> Sent on the go from my Peek
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>,
> 	"jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>,
> 	pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <260360.71519.qm at web111914.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> Lyme disease should not be a risk on the PCT, it is a vector driven disease and 
> Ixodes scapularis (black legged tick) the vector for the disease is not found 
> west of Texas.  
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> To: "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:39:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> 
> James,
> 
> When the ticks are out in force you will need head to toe protection. They are 
> in the grass along the trail. They are on the vegetation that you can't avoid 
> brushing against as you pass through. They are there waiting for you on the 
> branches that you duck under. They seem to love getting into your hair. They are 
> 
> out to get you! If you want to avoid them (and the possibility of Lyme 
> desease) you need socks, pants, shirt and hat made of fabric saturated with 
> permethrin - not just "some" of your cloths. Read Dr. Murrey's post on how he 
> has treated his cloths for the past five years. Or use ExOfficio.
> 
> MendoRider
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 10:42:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> 
> 
> Railriders have an 'insect shield' in some of their clothing. Good for 70 
> washings ,they claim.
> 
> -----Original message-----
> 
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> >To: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> >Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2011 02:33:39 GMT+00:00
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> >
> >
> >I see that Railriders sells Adventure clothing and also sells 3M Ultrathon 
> >insect repellent.
> >That's not the same as the ExOfficio Buzz Off clothing products which 
> >effectively repel insects and ticks.You don't have to apply the repellent to the 
> >
> >cloths. Look it up on the web.
> >
> >MendoRider
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> >To: mendoridered at yahoo.com; esmith11 at my.whitworth.edu; pct-l 
> ><pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 6:12:00 PM
> >Subject: RE: [pct-l] Deet
> >
> >Look at RailRider clothing. 
> > 
> >Thats what we are using
> > 
> >jimanddona
> > 
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:37:36 -0700
> >> From: mendoridered at yahoo.com
> >> To: esmith11 at my.whitworth.edu; pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> >> 
> >> Just wear insect repellent clothing like I did. I never had a tick on me and 
> >>the 
> >>
> >> insects did not bother me - over five months on the PCT.  Mosquitoes didn't 
> >>land 
> >>
> >> on my cloths and bite through - they just didn't land when they smelled the 
> >> permethrin. Check out ExOfficio  Insect Shield and Buzz Off with 
> >>permethrin. REI 
> >>
> >> sells it or you can find it on the web. I wore the socks, pants, shirt and hat 
> >
> >
> >> with cape to protect your neck. When the mosquitoes were really bad I also put 
> >
> >
> >> insect repellent on the back of my hands,and on my forehead and cheeks.
> >> 
> >> MendoRider
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Ethan Smith <esmith11 at my.whitworth.edu>
> >> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >> Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 1:08:54 PM
> >> Subject: [pct-l] Deet
> >> 
> >> Will consistent application of Deet to clothing to ward off ticks results in 
> >> fabric breakdown?
> >> Thanks!
> >> 
> >> Ethan
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:13:23 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net,
> 	bmann1 at san.rr.com
> Message-ID: <BANLkTim0w=o46VRoMbHRg1wg_B0+m5sM8g at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Yes.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:08 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > wasn't there water in Hauser last year? I seem to recall it being there...
> > I
> > don't think anyone's gonna have any issues with water this year....lucky's
> > will
> > prolly only have to sport two liters max all the way!
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> > To: bmann1 at san.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 2:57:57 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> >
> > There's lots of it.  I would guess at least 6 good-flowing creeks in the
> > first
> > 7-ish miles.  There are two creeks near mile 7 (see halfmile's map, at the
> > word
> > "pacific" around mile 7).  The next water after that is the good-flowing
> > creek
> > at 12.7 (water report mileage).  And I'm at Hauser Creek right now.  It's
> > about
> > 4 feet wide, and flowing good.
> >
> > I have never seen water in Hauser creek!
> >
> > The water report has a note about trail confusion in the burn area around
> > 8.5.
> > Nothing seemed confusing to me.
> >
> > Yogi
> > www.pcthandbook.com
> >
> > Sent on the go from my Peek
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] lyme disease on the PCT (was Deet)
> To: Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>, Edward Anderson
> 	<mendoridered at yahoo.com>, 	"jamesfmiller at hotmail.com"
> 	<jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>,	pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <568512.76325.qm at web112306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> 
> 
> from Yosemite's website:
> "Tick borne diseases
> There are two known diseases carried by ticks in this area: Lyme disease and 
> relapsing fever. Not all ticks carry these diseases. If you are bitten by a 
> tick, and later experience flu-like symptoms, contact your doctor and mention 
> you had a tick bite. If you are diagnosed as having Lyme disease or relapsing 
> Fever, and you believe you got it in Yosemite, have your doctor contact the park 
> sanitarian at 209/379-1033."
> ?
> Lyme Disease and Relapsing Fever.?? Both west of Texas!
> Katy
> ?
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>; "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" 
> <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> 
> Lyme disease should not be a risk on the PCT, it is a vector driven disease and 
> Ixodes scapularis (black legged tick) the vector for the disease is not found 
> west of Texas.? 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:29:45 -0700
> From: Alley Kitten <alleykitten at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> To: Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTimgA56qph3AjyA-xCdGs0OikJ5Vjg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Actually, Lyme-infected ticks have been found in 42 counties in California.
> [source: http://www.lymedisease.org/california/california_map.html] Lyme
> disease is caused by an infection with a type of bacterium called Borrelia
> burgdorferi, which is principally transmitted by the deer tick... which
> there are plenty off out here in So. Cal.
> 
> Lyme disease has been reported in nearly all states, but more than 98
> percent of all cases are found in Coastal New England and the Mid-Atlantic
> states, as well as Wisconsin, Minnesota and Northern California.
> 
> Since 1989, approximately 2,145 cases have been reported in California
> through 2006.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Lyme disease should not be a risk on the PCT, it is a vector driven disease
> > and
> > Ixodes scapularis (black legged tick) the vector for the disease is not
> > found
> > west of Texas.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > To: "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>;
> > pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:39:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> >
> > James,
> >
> > When the ticks are out in force you will need head to toe protection. They
> > are
> > in the grass along the trail. They are on the vegetation that you can't
> > avoid
> > brushing against as you pass through. They are there waiting for you on the
> > branches that you duck under. They seem to love getting into your hair.
> > They are
> >
> > out to get you! If you want to avoid them (and the possibility of Lyme
> > desease) you need socks, pants, shirt and hat made of fabric saturated with
> > permethrin - not just "some" of your cloths. Read Dr. Murrey's post on how
> > he
> > has treated his cloths for the past five years. Or use ExOfficio.
> >
> > MendoRider
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> > To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 10:42:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> >
> >
> > Railriders have an 'insect shield' in some of their clothing. Good for 70
> > washings ,they claim.
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> >
> > From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > >To: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > >Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2011 02:33:39 GMT+00:00
> > >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> > >
> > >
> > >I see that Railriders sells Adventure clothing and also sells 3M Ultrathon
> > >insect repellent.
> > >That's not the same as the ExOfficio Buzz Off clothing products which
> > >effectively repel insects and ticks.You don't have to apply the repellent
> > to the
> > >
> > >cloths. Look it up on the web.
> > >
> > >MendoRider
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ________________________________
> > From: James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> > >To: mendoridered at yahoo.com; esmith11 at my.whitworth.edu; pct-l
> > ><pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > >Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 6:12:00 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [pct-l] Deet
> > >
> > >Look at RailRider clothing.
> > >
> > >Thats what we are using
> > >
> > >jimanddona
> > >
> > >> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:37:36 -0700
> > >> From: mendoridered at yahoo.com
> > >> To: esmith11 at my.whitworth.edu; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> > >>
> > >> Just wear insect repellent clothing like I did. I never had a tick on me
> > and
> > >>the
> > >>
> > >> insects did not bother me - over five months on the PCT.  Mosquitoes
> > didn't
> > >>land
> > >>
> > >> on my cloths and bite through - they just didn't land when they smelled
> > the
> > >> permethrin. Check out ExOfficio  Insect Shield and Buzz Off with
> > >>permethrin. REI
> > >>
> > >> sells it or you can find it on the web. I wore the socks, pants, shirt
> > and hat
> > >
> > >
> > >> with cape to protect your neck. When the mosquitoes were really bad I
> > also put
> > >
> > >
> > >> insect repellent on the back of my hands,and on my forehead and cheeks.
> > >>
> > >> MendoRider
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: Ethan Smith <esmith11 at my.whitworth.edu>
> > >> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > >> Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 1:08:54 PM
> > >> Subject: [pct-l] Deet
> > >>
> > >> Will consistent application of Deet to clothing to ward off ticks
> > results in
> > >> fabric breakdown?
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> Ethan
> > >>
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> doesn't get it
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:32:33 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTikvFJ4CFezmUzheYVcDjx+ujMtagw at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Nobody's perfect. The date was simply entered incorrectly.  It's been
> corrected. http://www.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/coroner/pressrelease.asp
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:49 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > isn't today the 18th??? according to my laptop it's only 1:48 PM how did
> > this happen already when the coroner case says that on this day...TODAY...at
> > 3:26 PM which hasn't happened yet?????
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
> > * *
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> > *To:* gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> > *Cc:* pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com
> > >
> > *Sent:* Mon, April 18, 2011 11:19:45 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> >
> > Tragic!
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:52 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That's around 6 hours in the future?
> > >
> > > ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Saw this this morning
> > >  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911
> > to
> > > report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek
> > spillway,
> > > near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San
> > Bernardino
> > > County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County
> > Sheriff's
> > > Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an
> > adult
> > > male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding
> > his
> > > bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined
> > by
> > > fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An
> > autopsy
> > > will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino
> > County
> > > Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030 EM]
> > >
> > >
> > > Canoeman
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:33:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] lyme disease on the PCT (was Deet)
> To: goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net,	Jeb
> 	Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>,	"James F. Miller"
> 	<jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Message-ID: <177321.44667.qm at web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> I have a veternarian friend who got Lyme Disease in California.
> 
> MendoRider
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com>
> To: Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>; Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>; 
> "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:27:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] lyme disease on the PCT (was Deet)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> from Yosemite's website:
> "Tick borne diseases
> There are two known diseases carried by ticks in this area: Lyme disease and 
> relapsing fever. Not all ticks carry these diseases. If you are bitten by a 
> tick, and later experience flu-like symptoms, contact your doctor and mention 
> you had a tick bite. If you are diagnosed as having Lyme disease or relapsing 
> Fever, and you believe you got it in Yosemite, have your doctor contact the park 
> sanitarian at 209/379-1033."
> ?
> Lyme Disease and Relapsing Fever.?? Both west of Texas!
> Katy
> ?
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>; "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" 
> <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> 
> Lyme disease should not be a risk on the PCT, it is a vector driven disease and 
> Ixodes scapularis (black legged tick) the vector for the disease is not found 
> west of Texas.? 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <472417.68263.qm at web161410.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> haha was just curious that was a little "Twilight Zone" ish don't ya think lol
>  
> Sugar Moma  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: gwschenk at socal.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain 
> <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:32:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> 
> Nobody's perfect. The date was simply entered incorrectly.  It's been corrected. 
> http://www.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/coroner/pressrelease.asp
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:49 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> isn't today the 18th??? according to my laptop it's only 1:48 PM how did this 
> happen already when the coroner case says that on this day...TODAY...at 3:26 PM 
> which hasn't happened yet?????
> > 
> >Sugar Moma  
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> >To: gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> >Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:19:45 AM
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> >
> >
> >Tragic!
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:52 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That's around 6 hours in the future?
> >>
> >> ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Saw this this morning
> >>  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911 to
> >> report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek spillway,
> >> near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San Bernardino
> >> County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's
> >> Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an adult
> >> male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding his
> >> bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined by
> >> fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An autopsy
> >> will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino County
> >> Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030  EM]
> >>
> >>
> >> Canoeman
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:39:28 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinOGC5E2Z9_C3MO7Mv+u5t6Um6jjg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> I don't particularly find coroner reports funny.  I feel sorry for the
> biker.  It's sad that one slip and his life is lost.  Thanks for sharing
> this news, Perry. It's good to know what dangers lurk on/near the PCT.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > haha was just curious that was a little "Twilight Zone" ish don't ya think
> > lol
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
> > * *
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> > *To:* patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> > *Cc:* gwschenk at socal.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <
> > juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> > *Sent:* Mon, April 18, 2011 3:32:33 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> >
> > Nobody's perfect. The date was simply entered incorrectly.  It's been
> > corrected. http://www.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/coroner/pressrelease.asp
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:49 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> isn't today the 18th??? according to my laptop it's only 1:48 PM how did
> >> this happen already when the coroner case says that on this day...TODAY...at
> >> 3:26 PM which hasn't happened yet?????
> >>
> >> Sugar Moma
> >>
> >> * *
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> *From:* Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> >> *To:* gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> >> *Cc:* pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <
> >> juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> >> *Sent:* Mon, April 18, 2011 11:19:45 AM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> >>
> >> Tragic!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:52 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > That's around 6 hours in the future?
> >> >
> >> > ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > Saw this this morning
> >> >  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911
> >> to
> >> > report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek
> >> spillway,
> >> > near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San
> >> Bernardino
> >> > County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County
> >> Sheriff's
> >> > Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an
> >> adult
> >> > male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding
> >> his
> >> > bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined
> >> by
> >> > fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An
> >> autopsy
> >> > will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino
> >> County
> >> > Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030 EM]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Canoeman
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:44:01 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] lyme disease on the PCT (was Deet)
> To: goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTikpAyXFPQ+15+1n6P-6Gmcp5JGzAg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/faculty/rbkimsey/caticks.html
> *Ixodes pacificus *(Western Black Legged Tick) *Adult Western
> Black-Legged Tick* The Western black legged tick is a three host tick that
> primarily feeds on lizards and small rodents during its subadult life
> stages, and large mammals, commonly deer, canids, horses, and humans, as
> adults. It is the putative vector of the Lyme disease spirochete and the
> equine granulocytic ehrlichiosis rickettsia in California. This tick is
> found in the western U.S. and British Columbia. In California, its
> distribution appears to be limited to the moister regions of the coastal and
> Sierra foothill ranges all along the state (Furman and Loomis 1984). Humans
> bitten by these ticks may notice intense inflammation at the site of the
> bite which may be slow to heal. These sores do not necessarily indicate
> pathogen transmission by the tick (ie: Lyme disease "bulls eye" rash), but
> are frequently an artifact of irritation due to tick salivary products
> injected into the bite site.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:27 PM, goslowgofar <goslowgofar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > from Yosemite's website:
> > "Tick borne diseases
> > There are two known diseases carried by ticks in this area: Lyme disease
> > and
> > relapsing fever. Not all ticks carry these diseases. If you are bitten by a
> > tick, and later experience flu-like symptoms, contact your doctor and
> > mention
> > you had a tick bite. If you are diagnosed as having Lyme disease or
> > relapsing
> > Fever, and you believe you got it in Yosemite, have your doctor contact the
> > park
> > sanitarian at 209/379-1033."
> >
> > Lyme Disease and Relapsing Fever.   Both west of Texas!
> > Katy
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jeb Bates <batesjeb at yahoo.com>
> > To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>; "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com"
> > <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:12:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Deet
> >
> > Lyme disease should not be a risk on the PCT, it is a vector driven disease
> > and
> > Ixodes scapularis (black legged tick) the vector for the disease is not
> > found
> > west of Texas.
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:46:41 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticked Off
> To: Glenn Bradford <glenn.bradford at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT List List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinWEfhFKd_Egc+nHJS49Y-oqK-8ew at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Thanks, Glenn!
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Glenn Bradford
> <glenn.bradford at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Signed, sealed and delivered to Kolby...I will be at the KO next year.
> > Talk to you then perhaps. :)
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
> > > You going to be at the KO, Glenn?  I'll take one if you are. How much are
> > > they? :)
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Glenn Bradford <
> > glenn.bradford at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks to Alley Kitten's tip, I just got my tick remover in the mail.
> > >> And they were sharing the love and sent two... If you want one, just
> > >> let me know your address and I'll send it to you.
> > >>
> > >> Glenn
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:49:42 -0700
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> To: Peter Shaw <pshaw999 at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTim-HYWFmENz9JvcLYbL7Nf7s1zg-Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> A good wet lather with a sponge can also reveal leakage.  Sometimes it's
> easier to find a leak with your ears than with your eyes since. The water
> makes the puncture point whistle.   Good luck!
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Peter Shaw <pshaw999 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > I really don't think that "put it under water completely" after filling it
> > with air is feasible. After all, a NeoAir is almost the size of an air
> > mattress people float around their pools on. A normal sized person simply
> > couldn't exert enough force to hold it all under water. I would think a
> > more
> > practical approach is to put a little air in it and then maneuver it so the
> > air is in a small section that can then be held under the water. Then just
> > move the air along a bit. That's what I do when my bicycle inner tube has a
> > pinhole leak.
> >
> > Peanut Eater
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Toby Maxwell
> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:07 PM
> > To: Louise Wholey
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> >
> > To find the leak what did you attempt? the best method that I have found
> > for
> > thermarests in general is to fill it up and put it under water completely
> > so
> > you can see the air bubbles rising.
> >
> > -Toby
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Louise Wholey
> > <louisewholey at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I have used a full length Neo-Air mattress a few times.  Now it leaks.
> >  It
> > > does
> > > not last the night without adding air one or more times.  After trying
> > for
> > > many
> > > hours, I still cannot find the leak.
> > >
> > > Louise
> > > _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 35
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:52:14 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=zLOz9UumuncSE0joYOkNQps910Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Was he riding his bike on the closed section of the PCT?  I'm not going to
> feel that bad for a guy that did something stupid and also illegal in two
> guys.  If that's the case, the best I can say is at least he died doing
> something he enjoyed.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
> 
> > I don't particularly find coroner reports funny.  I feel sorry for the
> > biker.  It's sad that one slip and his life is lost.  Thanks for sharing
> > this news, Perry. It's good to know what dangers lurk on/near the PCT.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > haha was just curious that was a little "Twilight Zone" ish don't ya
> > think
> > > lol
> > >
> > > Sugar Moma
> > >
> > > * *
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> > > *To:* patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> > > *Cc:* gwschenk at socal.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <
> > > juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> > > *Sent:* Mon, April 18, 2011 3:32:33 PM
> > >
> > > *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> > >
> > > Nobody's perfect. The date was simply entered incorrectly.  It's been
> > > corrected. http://www.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/coroner/pressrelease.asp
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:49 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> isn't today the 18th??? according to my laptop it's only 1:48 PM how did
> > >> this happen already when the coroner case says that on this
> > day...TODAY...at
> > >> 3:26 PM which hasn't happened yet?????
> > >>
> > >> Sugar Moma
> > >>
> > >> * *
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >> *From:* Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> > >> *To:* gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> > >> *Cc:* pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <
> > >> juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> > >> *Sent:* Mon, April 18, 2011 11:19:45 AM
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> > >>
> > >> Tragic!
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:52 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > That's around 6 hours in the future?
> > >> >
> > >> > ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > > Saw this this morning
> > >> >  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called
> > 911
> > >> to
> > >> > report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek
> > >> spillway,
> > >> > near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San
> > >> Bernardino
> > >> > County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County
> > >> Sheriff's
> > >> > Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an
> > >> adult
> > >> > male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been
> > riding
> > >> his
> > >> > bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been
> > determined
> > >> by
> > >> > fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An
> > >> autopsy
> > >> > will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino
> > >> County
> > >> > Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030 EM]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Canoeman
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 36
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:53:12 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> To: Peter Shaw <pshaw999 at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTimE42NNi0m394m6FET03JAf+4tRoA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Rolling up one end of the mattress at a time will also help.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Peter Shaw <pshaw999 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > I really don't think that "put it under water completely" after filling it
> > with air is feasible. After all, a NeoAir is almost the size of an air
> > mattress people float around their pools on. A normal sized person simply
> > couldn't exert enough force to hold it all under water. I would think a
> > more
> > practical approach is to put a little air in it and then maneuver it so the
> > air is in a small section that can then be held under the water. Then just
> > move the air along a bit. That's what I do when my bicycle inner tube has a
> > pinhole leak.
> >
> > Peanut Eater
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Toby Maxwell
> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:07 PM
> > To: Louise Wholey
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> >
> > To find the leak what did you attempt? the best method that I have found
> > for
> > thermarests in general is to fill it up and put it under water completely
> > so
> > you can see the air bubbles rising.
> >
> > -Toby
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Louise Wholey
> > <louisewholey at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I have used a full length Neo-Air mattress a few times.  Now it leaks.
> >  It
> > > does
> > > not last the night without adding air one or more times.  After trying
> > for
> > > many
> > > hours, I still cannot find the leak.
> > >
> > > Louise
> > > _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 37
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <14432.55455.qm at web161610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> There was during KO.? It was loverly to take a break at the creek. :)
> ?
> ~Dicentra
> 
> 
> http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra 
> 
> ?
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> To: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Jackie McDonnell" <yogihikes at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net, bmann1 at san.rr.com
> Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 3:13 PM
> 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:08 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > wasn't there water in Hauser last year? I seem to recall it being there...
> > I
> > don't think anyone's gonna have any issues with water this year....lucky's
> > will
> > prolly only have to sport two liters max all the way!
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> > To: bmann1 at san.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 2:57:57 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Water first 20 miles
> >
> > There's lots of it.? I would guess at least 6 good-flowing creeks in the
> > first
> > 7-ish miles.? There are two creeks near mile 7 (see halfmile's map, at the
> > word
> > "pacific" around mile 7).? The next water after that is the good-flowing
> > creek
> > at 12.7 (water report mileage).? And I'm at Hauser Creek right now.? It's
> > about
> > 4 feet wide, and flowing good.
> >
> > I have never seen water in Hauser creek!
> >
> > The water report has a note about trail confusion in the burn area around
> > 8.5.
> > Nothing seemed confusing to me.
> >
> > Yogi
> > www.pcthandbook.com
> >
> > Sent on the go from my Peek
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 38
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:08:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Perry Chamberlain
> 	<juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <485613.75063.qm at web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I wasn't laughing at the article...I don't find them funny either it was about 
> the editing not the person involved
>  
> Sugar Moma  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: gwschenk at socal.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain 
> <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:39:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> 
> I don't particularly find coroner reports funny.  I feel sorry for the biker.  
> It's sad that one slip and his life is lost.  Thanks for sharing this news, 
> Perry. It's good to know what dangers lurk on/near the PCT.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> haha was just curious that was a little "Twilight Zone" ish don't ya think lol
> > 
> >Sugar Moma  
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> >To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> >Cc: gwschenk at socal.rr.com; pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain 
> ><juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 3:32:33 PM
> >
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> >
> >
> >Nobody's perfect. The date was simply entered incorrectly.  It's been corrected. 
> >http://www.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/coroner/pressrelease.asp
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:49 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >isn't today the 18th??? according to my laptop it's only 1:48 PM how did this 
> >happen already when the coroner case says that on this day...TODAY...at 3:26 PM 
> >which hasn't happened yet?????
> >> 
> >>Sugar Moma  
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ________________________________
> From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
> >>To: gwschenk at socal.rr.com
> >>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> >>Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:19:45 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section Edeath at detour
> >>
> >>
> >>Tragic!
> >>
> >>On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:52 AM, <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's around 6 hours in the future?
> >>>
> >>> ---- Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> > Saw this this morning
> >>>  Coroner case # 701102800: On 04/18/2011 at 3:26 PM, a hiker called 911 to
> >>> report a dead body located 1.5 miles southeast of the Deep Creek spillway,
> >>> near the Deek Creek Dam in Apple Valley. Paramedics from the San Bernardino
> >>> County Fire Department and deputies from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's
> >>> Department arrived at the scene at 5 PM and confirmed the death of an adult
> >>> male. A bicycle was found nearby and it appeared he may have been riding his
> >>> bike and had falllen off a trail. When his identity has been determined by
> >>> fingerprints and next of kin notified, his name will be released. An autopsy
> >>> will be performed to determine the cause of death. The San Bernardino County
> >>> Sheriff?s Department is investigating. [041811 0030  EM]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Canoeman
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