[pct-l] Ticks
Dale Combs
comebackwalking at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 20 23:05:05 CDT 2011
More Hiking in the Presence of Ticks Tips:
When you see a tick, get serious about preventing their attachment.
DEET up the legs, at the belt level, neck, wear a hat.
Tuck you pants into your socks, if you have long pants.
Do tick frequent tick checks.
Ticks move upward. If you have a nagging itch and keep scratching at it, it will
migrate up to somewhere like your upper arm, shoulder, back where you can't reach and disturb it.
They say it takes 24 hours of attachment for Lymes disease to be transmitted to humans.
They have a tendency to attach where there is a clothing constriction like top of socks or at belt level.
If you think that something is in your hair, if something is poking at you, it may not be a bramble this time.
Dale
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Fishing (Timothy Nye)
2. Re: Garmin 60CSx halfmile' map question (Joshua Pinedo)
3. Re: Removing tics the pleasant wayl (patti kulesz)
4. Re: Garmin 60CSx halfmile' map question (Ate Tuna)
5. Re: Ticks (patti kulesz)
6. Re: Fishing (Tony Shields)
7. Food in the Sierras (Tony Shields)
8. Re: Food in the Sierras (Ate Tuna)
9. Re: Food in the Sierras (patti kulesz)
10. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (Donna Saufley)
11. Re: shoe replacement (Eric)
12. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (patti kulesz)
13. Re: Removing tics the pleasant wayl (hiker97 at aol.com)
14. Re: ice axe vs pole self arresting (Jim & Jane Moody)
15. Re: ice axe vs pole self arresting (Gary Swing)
16. Re: Food in the Sierras (dicentra)
17. Re: Removing tics the pleasant wayl (Melanie Clarke)
18. Re: shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon Man.
(Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
19. Re: shoe replacement (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
20. Re: Open Letter to Paradise Cafe (ron guay)
21. Re: Food in the Sierras (patti kulesz)
22. Re: Removing tics the pleasant wayl (patti kulesz)
23. Re: shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon Man. (AsABat)
24. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (Jim Bravo)
25. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (patti kulesz)
26. Re: shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon Man.
(Brick Robbins)
27. Re: Food in the Sierras (Jason Moores)
28. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (Jim Bravo)
29. TREATING WOMEN RIGHT (Reinhold Metzger)
30. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (patti kulesz)
31. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (Jason Moores)
32. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (Ron Dye)
33. Re: Garmin 60CSx halfmile' map question (Joshua Pinedo)
34. Re: Fishing (Kolby Kirk)
35. Re: part of Paradise Cafe Thread (Eric Lee)
36. Re: Fishing (Tony Shields)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:20:43 -0700
From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fishing
To: gwschenk at socal.rr.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hitting a lake at ice out can bring great fishing; so for personal enjoyment
absolutely.
But if you're looking at this an effective strategy for resupply my
understanding is that the average trout brings in 70 calories or so. (Maybe
someone else can verify this?) and if this is the case it may be
questionable wether it winds up being cost effective in terms of the overall
caloric expendature involved in initially carrying the equipment, and the
combined effort and time of fishing.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:20:53 -0400
From: Joshua Pinedo <joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Garmin 60CSx halfmile' map question
To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim-XVFgJhiy+3onHboTEuRMSOL2GA at mail.gmail.com>
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I'm not sure why it happened, and I don't really remember what the error
message said, but I'm thinking maybe because it timed out. I do have a 4 G
memory card and it did come with a full size memory card adapter, I just
need to find a way to get it attached to my laptop. I think I'll take
you're advise, Ate Tuna, and try and transfer it to a memory card first and
then just pop it in the Garmin. Will I be able to just override the
information that may or may not have been copied to the micro SD already?
thanks,
JP
On 20 April 2011 12:09, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the memory card that shipped with the unit is being used, then you're
> correct because that memory card only has 64 megs of storage, but Joshua
> said he had a 4 G card which I assume is 4 gigs. That should be more than
> enough space if he's just uploading the PCT states.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
>
>> I've had incredibly slow uploads (1-2 hrs) that have ended with an
>> error. If I remember correctly, it had to do with available memory,
>> as in not having enough of it. I'm unable to load more than the first
>> three PCT sections of Halfmile's waypoints due to memory.
>>
>> Kolby
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2011, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 7 hours sounds incredibly excessive, but I've never tried transferring
>> maps
>> > directly to my Garmin. I prefer using a memory card reader and
>> transferring
>> > maps to that. Apparently it's faster, and it shouldn't screw up my
>> Garmin
>> > if the transfer process fails.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Joshua Pinedo <joshua.pinedo at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> So yesterday I started the 4-6 hour map uploading process from
>> Halfmiles'
>> >> guidelines. I had about an hour left (it was uploading for 6 hours by
>> this
>> >> point), and I just couldn't for the life of me stay up any longer. I
>> woke
>> >> up this morning and there was an error message and I was pretty
>> distraught.
>> >> Has anyone experienced this? I saved my 24K Maps and The PCT overlays
>> in
>> >> Mapsource. Should I just go back to that same point and 'send to
>> device'
>> >> again and hopefully not get another error message? will it take 7 hours
>> >> again or has some information been saved on my 4 G memory card? Will
>> it
>> >> just rewrite over what was uploaded or will it pick up where it left
>> off?
>> >> My
>> >> main thing is wanting to know if I need a new micro SC card or not..
>> >>
>> >> sorry for all the questions..
>> >>
>> >> first GPS ever
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> best,
>> >>
>> >> Joshua
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:27:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Removing tics the pleasant wayl
To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>, hiker97 at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, reinholdmetzger at cox.net
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wait...we have to shower while we're there?
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
To: hiker97 at aol.com
Cc: peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com; baidarker at gmail.com; reinholdmetzger at cox.net;
pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 7:01:28 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Removing tics the pleasant wayl
Dear Switchback,
Okay, you can do this the easy way or the hard way, your choice. The rest of us
camping with you at Camp #22 are going to make sure you take a shower one way or
another!
Melanie
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:41 AM, <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>Snow Bunny and Tick Master Reinhold writes: I don't know about Switchback, but
>you can always count on JMT to come to
>
>the rescue when Melanie and Sugar Moma come screeching out of the shower and
>show you "amateurs" how to remove ticks from
>a lady the pleasant way. I will remove the tics, wherever they may be, very
>gently, with my nibbler teeth. I will use tweezers only
>as a last resort in the hard to get to places.
>----------------------------------------------------
>Switchback replies: I have no experience removing ticks. When on the trail
>ticks usually jump on me and take a whiff. They then
>go off to die in the bush. It is the same with saber-tooth mountain lions and
>grizzly bears along the PCT. I present the serious
>hard core hiker trash aroma as I bang along the trail. All run from me. All
>avoid me. All have a natural aversion to me.
>
>It will be the same at the April Kickoff. As you survey Lake Morena County
>Park, you will notice a cloud like Pig Pen has
>in the Peanut comic strip. That will be me. No one will be near me. All give
>a wide berth. This is one of the best
>things about being a backpacker.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:27:56 -0700
From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Garmin 60CSx halfmile' map question
To: Joshua Pinedo <joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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When you put the memory card in your laptop, look for a file that's named
gmapsupp.img and delete it. It will be recreated when you upload maps to
it.
I haven't tried it, but supposedly you can copy your gpx track and waypoint
files to the memory card, which can save a lot of hassle. I believe it
would go in the [SD-card]:\Garmin\GPX folder. If that doesn't work, no big
deal, just put the card back in your computer and delete those files.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Joshua Pinedo <joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>wrote:
> I'm not sure why it happened, and I don't really remember what the error
> message said, but I'm thinking maybe because it timed out. I do have a 4 G
> memory card and it did come with a full size memory card adapter, I just
> need to find a way to get it attached to my laptop. I think I'll take
> you're advise, Ate Tuna, and try and transfer it to a memory card first and
> then just pop it in the Garmin. Will I be able to just override the
> information that may or may not have been copied to the micro SD already?
>
> thanks,
>
> JP
>
>
> On 20 April 2011 12:09, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If the memory card that shipped with the unit is being used, then you're
>> correct because that memory card only has 64 megs of storage, but Joshua
>> said he had a 4 G card which I assume is 4 gigs. That should be more than
>> enough space if he's just uploading the PCT states.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've had incredibly slow uploads (1-2 hrs) that have ended with an
>>> error. If I remember correctly, it had to do with available memory,
>>> as in not having enough of it. I'm unable to load more than the first
>>> three PCT sections of Halfmile's waypoints due to memory.
>>>
>>> Kolby
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2011, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > 7 hours sounds incredibly excessive, but I've never tried transferring
>>> maps
>>> > directly to my Garmin. I prefer using a memory card reader and
>>> transferring
>>> > maps to that. Apparently it's faster, and it shouldn't screw up my
>>> Garmin
>>> > if the transfer process fails.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Joshua Pinedo <
>>> joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> So yesterday I started the 4-6 hour map uploading process from
>>> Halfmiles'
>>> >> guidelines. I had about an hour left (it was uploading for 6 hours by
>>> this
>>> >> point), and I just couldn't for the life of me stay up any longer. I
>>> woke
>>> >> up this morning and there was an error message and I was pretty
>>> distraught.
>>> >> Has anyone experienced this? I saved my 24K Maps and The PCT overlays
>>> in
>>> >> Mapsource. Should I just go back to that same point and 'send to
>>> device'
>>> >> again and hopefully not get another error message? will it take 7
>>> hours
>>> >> again or has some information been saved on my 4 G memory card? Will
>>> it
>>> >> just rewrite over what was uploaded or will it pick up where it left
>>> off?
>>> >> My
>>> >> main thing is wanting to know if I need a new micro SC card or not..
>>> >>
>>> >> sorry for all the questions..
>>> >>
>>> >> first GPS ever
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Joshua
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticks
To: Dale Combs <comebackwalking at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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so ur hiking right now Dale? Cuz this year they are insane here! I'm still
pulling ticks off my bed from my dog and I doing a day hike out here in SoCal
last Frid evening. Everyday, I think I've got em all and there's another one,
and they are all alive, even tho he's been treated and we both used deet on top
of it AHHH!
And which 660 miles did u do on the PCT?
just sayin...
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: Dale Combs <comebackwalking at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 7:44:08 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Ticks
I've seen zero ticks in 660 miles of PCT.
Seen 2 ticks in 291 miles of AT. One tick removal, dead.
I've seen about 120 tick incidents in 405 miles at Henry Coe/Orestimba. One live
tick removed.
Ticks feed three times in their life. If they have last feed on the ubiquitios
Blue Fence Lizard,
(often seen doing pushups) then that clears the bacteria from the ticks.
When it's alive a steady pull makes the tick let go after about 20 seconds.
When it's dead, because the immediate instinctive reaction is to crush it with
your fingernails,
you pull and the snout breaks off with the digits on the mandible still inside
the wound.
Then you have to dig it out.
Don't save the tick. Lymes Disease is diagnosed based on the symptoms.
If the bite location doesn't turn into a bulls eye, the size of a dime, and you
don't otherwise have symptoms.......the Doc is not going to do anything.
?Fortunately (or
unfortunately, depending on your perspective) I have had a previous tick get to
my skin so I knew what it felt like -- not a sharp pain, just a slowly
increasing, nagging prick, as if someone held a pencil against your skin and
ever so slowly increased the pressure,? Bob Burd.
I'm not saying you should be paranoid. But, if you do see one, then start
putting deet on your lower legs, tuck your pant legs into your socks.
Dale
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:50:40 -0600
From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fishing
To: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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No, haha, i wasn't planning on resupplying solely with fish.... just thought
that getting some food from the source (ie fishing) would add to the whole
experience.
Thanks for the input guys!
Start the hike in 14 days.....yeee haw
Cheers
Tony
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hitting a lake at ice out can bring great fishing; so for personal
> enjoyment absolutely.
>
> But if you're looking at this an effective strategy for resupply my
> understanding is that the average trout brings in 70 calories or so. (Maybe
> someone else can verify this?) and if this is the case it may be
> questionable wether it winds up being cost effective in terms of the overall
> caloric expendature involved in initially carrying the equipment, and the
> combined effort and time of fishing.
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:11:58 -0600
From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <BANLkTikAnpK-KWO5+96y+keh4cH+OgkgLw at mail.gmail.com>
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Hi All,
I am trying to plan out the food i am taking into the sierras from Kennedy
Meadows to VVR.
I have the bearvault bv 500 bear canister, filled it with as much light
weight low calorie food as I can. When I add it all up this results in a
measly 12612 calories. If I hike this section in ten days, thats only 1200
calories a day!
What kinds of foods/strategies do you guys use through this section??
thanks all
Tony
p.s.i had just asked this list about fishing, which I hear is awesome in
this section, but i wouldnt want to rely on fish for food...
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:23:10 -0700
From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
To: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <BANLkTinkzbtiCSoWpygwcBvKCAmy1F9MNg at mail.gmail.com>
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Try high calorie food instead of low calorie food.
Here's a spreadsheet I made up for trail food that I've considered carrying.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvpQXZWzWFY1dDZDTy14N1JGcERib3V6R1kxZEZmNlE&hl=en&authkey=CIu1k_oF
You can do much better. I once fit about 10 days of food in my Ursack with
4500 calories per day.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to plan out the food i am taking into the sierras from Kennedy
> Meadows to VVR.
>
> I have the bearvault bv 500 bear canister, filled it with as much light
> weight low calorie food as I can. When I add it all up this results in a
> measly 12612 calories. If I hike this section in ten days, thats only 1200
> calories a day!
>
> What kinds of foods/strategies do you guys use through this section??
>
> thanks all
>
> Tony
>
> p.s.i had just asked this list about fishing, which I hear is awesome in
> this section, but i wouldnt want to rely on fish for food...
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
To: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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If u need lots of calories anywhere it's here! What were u thinking packing LOW
calorie foods? Break out the Big Texas pastries at 550 calories per package!
Dehydrate some corned beef hash at 770 calories per can! Ur gonna need twice as
much here...trust me ESPECIALLY in that crazy snow ur gonna hit!
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 11:11:58 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
Hi All,
I am trying to plan out the food i am taking into the sierras from Kennedy
Meadows to VVR.
I have the bearvault bv 500 bear canister, filled it with as much light
weight low calorie food as I can. When I add it all up this results in a
measly 12612 calories. If I hike this section in ten days, thats only 1200
calories a day!
What kinds of foods/strategies do you guys use through this section??
thanks all
Tony
p.s.i had just asked this list about fishing, which I hear is awesome in
this section, but i wouldnt want to rely on fish for food...
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:19:55 -0700
From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: "'Ate Tuna'" <atetuna at gmail.com>, "'AsABat'" <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
Cc: "'pct-L backcountry.net'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Beautifully said. I think sometimes hikers forget just how counter-culture
long distance hiking is. When we are surrounded by hikers, immersed in the
trail there is understanding amongst all of us. No matter where you reside
on the social/economic scale in life, amongst those on the trail there is
great commonality, trust, and an esprit de corps not often witnessed.
People on the outside of our community often do not have a clue about
anything related to the trail. Sometimes our own friends and family don't
understand why we choose to walk long distances, or venture into the
wilderness. Perceptions and immediate reactions are often of FEAR. Fear of
the unknowns, hazards, and strangers. They drum up a thousand terrors, you
name it. You've heard it. You may have your own set of fears related to
hiking; we all do on some level.
The new owners of the Paradise Caf? are brand new to all of this. Obviously,
they have come to the table with their own set of fears about drug
trafficking. In truth, I feared that the first hikers we hosted could be axe
murderers. But positive experience conquers fear. If the new owners have
overwhelmingly positive interactions with hikers, which I can only believe
and hope they will, their fears will dissipate.
Attitude IS everything.
L-Rod
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From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Ate Tuna
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:34 PM
To: AsABat
Cc: pct-L backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon Man.
It might not take much bad behavior to get the water at Paradise Cafe
shutoff. When I talked to the new owner last spring about providing water
like the last owner did, he was uncertain about it because someone had
recently left the faucet open and completely drained their tank, especially
since he had recently upgraded the tank.
If we are to be ambassadors for the PCT, I would suggest treating the new
owner of the cafe with kid gloves and hope he continues to warm to us. We're
already very fortunate to get free water, less expensive prices for the food
than in previous years, and a new offer to hold our mail for free even
though there are restrictions that comes with that price. The last thing
I'd talk to the owner about right now is changing his mail policy. I'd
rather ask him if he's hiked the PCT yet (probably not), and then ask him if
he was as interested as he was last year and invite him for a hike.
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> And if there's any question if water sources get shut down, just compare
> faucets in the guidebook to what's really out there:
>
> Boulder Oaks Campground water has been shut off several times in the past
> couple years because of water quality.
>
> Water pipes are capped off at many locations, some for water quality,
> others
> who knows. Some of these have other (natural) sources, others do not. Just
> a
> few:
>
> Mission Springs Trail Camp
> Three Points Trailhead
> Sulphur Springs Campground
> Messenger Flats Campground
> Upper Shake Campground
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:06 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
>
> > Seriously, we want to shut down a water source on the PCT for this???
> Don't
> > mail there, don't eat there if you want, but water is previous our
there.
> > Some on this list fought to get that faucet turned on when the cafe was
> > closed because hikers needed water.
> >
> > AsABat
> > PCT Water Reports SoCal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
> > Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
> >
> > > Yes,ill backpack 2700 miles and make sure your
> > >well within your local health code at all times,isnt that a pisser.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:41:24 -0700
From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shoe replacement
To: Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi Toby,
I agree with your assessment of your situation. I started hiking in Vibrams
with a 5 mile hike - big mistake. Not only were my feet not used to the
lack of cushioning, the blisters were terrible! I was in pain for about a
week due to the blisters...However, I've now been wearing vibrams or no
shoes constantly for almost a year (1 year in June) and my feet are now
strong enough to handle my weight + pack weight. I also have callouses
built up so I no longer get blisters from my Vibrams. My advice would be to
ease slowly into less cushioning, like I said it's taken me a year to get
where I am. That being said, I think walking and hiking in very minimal
shoes has strengthened my feet and solved some back problems I was having.
If you want more info on this, contact me off-list.
Regards,
Eric
www.primalpct.com
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu> wrote:
> I think that historically I have had pretty durable feet, I am just nervous
> to switch to something that is so dramatically different that what I have
> used in the past and been comfortable with because whether natural or not
> my
> feet have a pretty significant arch at this point. When you guys made the
> switch to much less 'supportive' aka to more naturally shaped shoes, did
> you
> do it gradually? or was it like night and day in that you felt you had
> finally found the shoe for you? I ask because the shoes I am going to start
> with (la sportiva wildcat) are pretty comfy and am curious if they end up
> destroying my feet if I could do more harm by going to something much
> simpler immediately. I guess its probably a really personal thing, but
> I'll
> have to keep in mind that foot pain, if it occurs, may be solved by a less
> traditionally supportive shoe which is probably counter intuitive my pop
> culture understanding of feet.
>
> thanks for the great tips.
>
> -Toby
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > You're right about the shoes Diane. I had Psycho buy me a tube of shoe
> goo
> > when he made a run to REI from the Dinsmore's, and repaired a ton of
> shoes
> > by gluing duct tape to them strategically to get us all to Manning Park.
> > Shoe goo is great stuff, and turned "sandals" and other really torn up
> and
> > shredded shoes into usable gear again.
> >
> > On the flat soles bit. I've been walking on shoes without any padding
> now
> > for about 3 months, not even the cruddy insert they come with, and after
> > last week's 3 day backpack trip with Zinger into Henry Coe, where I did
> my
> > first 20 miler of the season, find my feet finally really feeling good
> > again. Hurray!!!
> > I do think that the lack of padding is strengthening my feet.
> >
> > Shroomer
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>, Ate Tuna
<atetuna at gmail.com>, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
Cc: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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lol I keep forgetting ur story about the first hikers u hosted Donna...awesome!
yeh ur right...so many of my friends and family kept asking me if I was scared
(and still do...HELLO) of someone killing me while I'm sleeping or something
stupid. I plan on goin in on my way in or out of KO and giving them a big huge
Sugar Moma hug...maybe I should roll in the dirt first so I look like trash
lol...rub on something dead like my Frankie does...haha.
Actually, fo realz tho, I will be hiking out there right after KO so I can stop
in and say hey AND give big hugs! They will figure it out just like everyone
else does!
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
Cc: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 12:19:55 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
Beautifully said. I think sometimes hikers forget just how counter-culture
long distance hiking is. When we are surrounded by hikers, immersed in the
trail there is understanding amongst all of us. No matter where you reside
on the social/economic scale in life, amongst those on the trail there is
great commonality, trust, and an esprit de corps not often witnessed.
People on the outside of our community often do not have a clue about
anything related to the trail. Sometimes our own friends and family don't
understand why we choose to walk long distances, or venture into the
wilderness. Perceptions and immediate reactions are often of FEAR. Fear of
the unknowns, hazards, and strangers. They drum up a thousand terrors, you
name it. You've heard it. You may have your own set of fears related to
hiking; we all do on some level.
The new owners of the Paradise Caf? are brand new to all of this. Obviously,
they have come to the table with their own set of fears about drug
trafficking. In truth, I feared that the first hikers we hosted could be axe
murderers. But positive experience conquers fear. If the new owners have
overwhelmingly positive interactions with hikers, which I can only believe
and hope they will, their fears will dissipate.
Attitude IS everything.
L-Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Ate Tuna
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:34 PM
To: AsABat
Cc: pct-L backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon Man.
It might not take much bad behavior to get the water at Paradise Cafe
shutoff. When I talked to the new owner last spring about providing water
like the last owner did, he was uncertain about it because someone had
recently left the faucet open and completely drained their tank, especially
since he had recently upgraded the tank.
If we are to be ambassadors for the PCT, I would suggest treating the new
owner of the cafe with kid gloves and hope he continues to warm to us. We're
already very fortunate to get free water, less expensive prices for the food
than in previous years, and a new offer to hold our mail for free even
though there are restrictions that comes with that price. The last thing
I'd talk to the owner about right now is changing his mail policy. I'd
rather ask him if he's hiked the PCT yet (probably not), and then ask him if
he was as interested as he was last year and invite him for a hike.
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> And if there's any question if water sources get shut down, just compare
> faucets in the guidebook to what's really out there:
>
> Boulder Oaks Campground water has been shut off several times in the past
> couple years because of water quality.
>
> Water pipes are capped off at many locations, some for water quality,
> others
> who knows. Some of these have other (natural) sources, others do not. Just
> a
> few:
>
> Mission Springs Trail Camp
> Three Points Trailhead
> Sulphur Springs Campground
> Messenger Flats Campground
> Upper Shake Campground
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:06 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
>
> > Seriously, we want to shut down a water source on the PCT for this???
> Don't
> > mail there, don't eat there if you want, but water is previous our
there.
> > Some on this list fought to get that faucet turned on when the cafe was
> > closed because hikers needed water.
> >
> > AsABat
> > PCT Water Reports SoCal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
> > Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
> >
> > > Yes,ill backpack 2700 miles and make sure your
> > >well within your local health code at all times,isnt that a pisser.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:10:44 -0400
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Removing tics the pleasant wayl
To: peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com, melaniekclarke at gmail.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, reinholdmetzger at cox.net
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Sugar Moma writes: Wait...we have to shower while we're there?
----------------------------------------------------------
Switchback replies: Say, they have nice showers at the Lake Morena Park. I rarely use them.
What I do each year is hang around until it is dark. Then I head into Pine Valley to the motel.
I have a nice shower and bed and TV. Then I come back early the next morning like I have
been there all the time. It works every time. This keeps my hard core hiker trash
persona reputation on the front burner. No problem. I am the only true backpacker
politicican at the Kickoff. I say one thing and do the opposite. This is too cool a scam.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:23:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ice axe vs pole self arresting
To: Gary Swing <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Mtn Ned uses and endorses the Whippet for dual purposes.? Most hikers use full ice axe instead.
Mango
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Swing" <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:48:16 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ice axe vs pole self arresting
My employer is getting me a Black Diamond Whippet self-arrest pole with an ice axe head as a PCT departure gift. See: http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-whippet-self-arrest-ski-pole
?
I haven't used one of these before, but I thought it might be a reasonable piece of "dual use" gear in California to have an ice axe/ski pole. I would switch it out for a regular trekking pole after the Sierra Nevadas.
?
I saw a product review that said "Whippet Real Good." I also looked up the Devo music video, but I didn't see the self arrest pole in Devo's video.
?
Cheers,
?
"Half Fast"
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, Brian Miracle <bmiracle2 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Miracle <bmiracle2 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] ice axe vs pole self arresting
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 9:30 AM
I just wanted some opinions on this.? I found a? mountaineering book online
that argues for the case that poles are better for self arresting and
general mountain travel if the proper technique is used. It also has
pictures of the different techniques as well
http://books.google.com/books?id=3hgJ0gvwIIIC&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=self+arrest++trekking+pole&source=bl&ots=xMXqWPl4Qq&sig=3K3b_19NBJQdIi5TsACGdpIVolk&hl=en&ei=j_euTdDbCIrksQOZ5ZWSAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=self%20arrest%20%20trekking%20pole&f=false
check it out and it talks of this around pg 200.
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Swing <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ice axe vs pole self arresting
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Thanks, Mango.
?
I own three old, solid ice axes that I've used for mountaineering in Colorado, but they're very heavy --about twice the weight of the Whippet. I don't really want to?carry any of them on?the PCT. I looked at lighter weight ice axes, but the cost was too high. Last week, the Anchorage REI had a 1/2 off clearance sale on the Whippet, so we're having them send one to us at the Denver store.
?
Cheers,
?
Gary Swing
"Half Fast"
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net> wrote:
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ice axe vs pole self arresting
To: "Gary Swing" <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 2:23 PM
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Mtn Ned uses and endorses the Whippet for dual purposes.? Most hikers use full ice axe instead.
?
Mango
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Swing" <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:48:16 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ice axe vs pole self arresting
My employer is getting me a Black Diamond Whippet self-arrest pole with an ice axe head as a PCT departure gift. See: http://www.backcountry.com/black-diamond-whippet-self-arrest-ski-pole
?
I haven't used one of these before, but I thought it might be a reasonable piece of "dual use" gear in California to have an ice axe/ski pole. I would switch it out for a regular trekking pole after the Sierra Nevadas.
?
I saw a product review that said "Whippet Real Good." I also looked up the Devo music video, but I didn't see the self arrest pole in Devo's video.
?
Cheers,
?
"Half Fast"
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, Brian Miracle <bmiracle2 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Miracle <bmiracle2 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] ice axe vs pole self arresting
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 9:30 AM
I just wanted some opinions on this.? I found a? mountaineering book online
that argues for the case that poles are better for self arresting and
general mountain travel if the proper technique is used. It also has
pictures of the different techniques as well
http://books.google.com/books?id=3hgJ0gvwIIIC&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=self+arrest++trekking+pole&source=bl&ots=xMXqWPl4Qq&sig=3K3b_19NBJQdIi5TsACGdpIVolk&hl=en&ei=j_euTdDbCIrksQOZ5ZWSAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=self%20arrest%20%20trekking%20pole&f=false
check it out and it talks of this around pg 200.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Coconut creme powder at 120 calories per ounce!
?
http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
?
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
To: "Tony Shields" <tone.shields at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 12:10 PM
If u need lots of calories anywhere it's here! What were u thinking packing LOW
calorie foods? Break out the Big Texas pastries at 550 calories per? package!
Dehydrate some corned beef hash at 770 calories per can! Ur gonna need twice as
much here...trust me ESPECIALLY in that crazy snow ur gonna hit!
Sugar Moma?
________________________________
From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 11:11:58 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
Hi All,
I am trying to plan out the food i am taking into the sierras from Kennedy
Meadows to VVR.
I have the bearvault bv 500 bear canister, filled it with as much light
weight low calorie food as I can. When I add it all up this results in a
measly 12612 calories. If I hike this section in ten days, thats only 1200
calories a day!
What kinds of foods/strategies do you guys use through this section??
thanks all
Tony
p.s.i had just asked this list about fishing, which I hear is awesome in
this section, but i wouldnt want to rely on fish for food...
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:54:29 -0700
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Removing tics the pleasant wayl
To: hiker97 at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, reinholdmetzger at cox.net
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Dear Switchback,
Hey, you are taking away all my fun! I was looking forward to all of us at
Camp #22 throwing you into Lake Morena for an early morning swim at 5am!!!!
Can you say, "punked?????" Hmm, I think "me and the boyz" might still want
to take you for a swim!!!! In my girl scouting days, we once opened up the
outhouse door while others shined the flashlight Klieg lights onto the poor
awkward user. But I've matured a little since then!
Melanie
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM, <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
> Sugar Moma writes: Wait...we have to shower while we're there?
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: Say, they have nice showers at the Lake Morena Park. I
> rarely use them.
> What I do each year is hang around until it is dark. Then I head into Pine
> Valley to the motel.
> I have a nice shower and bed and TV. Then I come back early the next
> morning like I have
> been there all the time. It works every time. This keeps my hard core
> hiker trash
> persona reputation on the front burner. No problem. I am the only true
> backpacker
> politicican at the Kickoff. I say one thing and do the opposite. This is
> too cool a scam.
>
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:55:51 -0700
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon
Man.
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I totally agree with you.
I also think this illustrates why people should just suck it up and
rely on natural water instead of caches and faucets. They used to do
it way back before cellphones and iPods. Treat the PCT like the
Wilderness trail it is and stop trying to bring civilization to the PCT.
Diane
On Apr 19, 2011, at 10:38 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> It might not take much bad behavior to get the water at Paradise Cafe
> shutoff. When I talked to the new owner last spring about
> providing water
> like the last owner did, he was uncertain about it because someone had
> recently left the faucet open and completely drained their tank,
> especially
> since he had recently upgraded the tank.
>
> If we are to be ambassadors for the PCT, I would suggest treating
> the new
> owner of the cafe with kid gloves and hope he continues to warm to
> us. We're
> already very fortunate to get free water, less expensive prices for
> the food
> than in previous years, and a new offer to hold our mail for free even
> though there are restrictions that comes with that price. The last
> thing
> I'd talk to the owner about right now is changing his mail policy.
> I'd
> rather ask him if he's hiked the PCT yet (probably not), and then
> ask him if
> he was as interested as he was last year and invite him for a hike.
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:03:40 -0700
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shoe replacement
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID:
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I hiked the PCT the second time around in Brooks Cascadia II.
Certainly not a minimalist shoe. My bad experience with Montrail
Hardrocks told me that I shouldn't have a stiff or overly supportive,
motion-control kind of shoe. The running store salesperson said the
Brooks or the Mizunos would be better for me. I had never heard of
Mizuno before so I went with Brooks. It was a pretty good choice and
allowed me to continue.
I guess us minimalist footwear people kind of hijacked your question.
I think the most important thing is to know your feet and what breaks
them and what doesn't. You may not know what they can handle for 25
mile days, day after day until you try. So definitely pay attention
to your feet and be ready to get rid of expensive shoes and try
something if they are hurting you.
Also, expect your shoes to last about 500 miles per pair. That's
about all the EVA is good for. That's why I think EVA is the devil.
500 miles is nothing. Shoes should last way longer than that for what
you pay for them.
On Apr 20, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Toby Maxwell wrote:
> I think that historically I have had pretty durable feet, I am just
> nervous
> to switch to something that is so dramatically different that what
> I have
> used in the past and been comfortable with because whether natural
> or not my
> feet have a pretty significant arch at this point. When you guys
> made the
> switch to much less 'supportive' aka to more naturally shaped
> shoes, did you
> do it gradually? or was it like night and day in that you felt you had
> finally found the shoe for you? I ask because the shoes I am going
> to start
> with (la sportiva wildcat) are pretty comfy and am curious if they
> end up
> destroying my feet if I could do more harm by going to something much
> simpler immediately. I guess its probably a really personal thing,
> but I'll
> have to keep in mind that foot pain, if it occurs, may be solved by
> a less
> traditionally supportive shoe which is probably counter intuitive
> my pop
> culture understanding of feet.
>
> thanks for the great tips.
>
> -Toby
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:07:11 -0500
From: ron guay <ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTim3N=_fc9M=pt1_H9vVw0wpgZxs3w at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hahaha. If I get the trail name Paradise...and I guarantee everyone plenty
of water...does that mean I get to search everyone's pack from Campo to
Manning this year? hahaha
Either way...I've learned a lot about mailing packages to businesses on the
PCT...something I never needed to know on the AT.
I really hope this info gets entered into the annals of the PCT
ether...(handbooks, email lists, databooks, old timers...etc) just like
Poisson Oak has. Hahaha
See guys on the trail in a week or so.
On Apr 19, 2011 8:48 PM, "Ate Tuna" <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
To: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <514365.33328.qm at web161408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
mmmmmmmmmm...O :-P
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 2:41:36 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
Coconut creme powder at 120 calories per ounce!
http://www.onepanwonders.com ~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
>To: "Tony Shields" <tone.shields at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
>Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 12:10 PM
>
>
>If u need lots of calories anywhere it's here! What were u thinking packing LOW
>calorie foods? Break out the Big Texas pastries at 550 calories per package!
>Dehydrate some corned beef hash at 770 calories per can! Ur gonna need twice as
>much here...trust me ESPECIALLY in that crazy snow ur gonna hit!
>
>Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 11:11:58 AM
>Subject: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
>
>Hi All,
>
>I am trying to plan out the food i am taking into the sierras from Kennedy
>Meadows to VVR.
>
>I have the bearvault bv 500 bear canister, filled it with as much light
>weight low calorie food as I can. When I add it all up this results in a
>measly 12612 calories. If I hike this section in ten days, thats only 1200
>calories a day!
>
>What kinds of foods/strategies do you guys use through this section??
>
>thanks all
>
>Tony
>
>p.s.i had just asked this list about fishing, which I hear is awesome in
>this section, but i wouldnt want to rely on fish for food...
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Removing tics the pleasant wayl
To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>, hiker97 at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, reinholdmetzger at cox.net
Message-ID: <983814.56634.qm at web161417.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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only a little I'm hoping or u won't be much fun! lol :-P
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
To: hiker97 at aol.com
Cc: peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com; baidarker at gmail.com; reinholdmetzger at cox.net;
pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 2:54:29 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Removing tics the pleasant wayl
Dear Switchback,
Hey, you are taking away all my fun! I was looking forward to all of us at Camp
#22 throwing you into Lake Morena for an early morning swim at 5am!!!! Can you
say, "punked?????" Hmm, I think "me and the boyz" might still want to take you
for a swim!!!! In my girl scouting days, we once opened up the outhouse door
while others shined the flashlight Klieg lights onto the poor awkward user. But
I've matured a little since then!
Melanie
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM, <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
Sugar Moma writes: Wait...we have to shower while we're there?
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Switchback replies: Say, they have nice showers at the Lake Morena Park. I
>rarely use them.
>What I do each year is hang around until it is dark. Then I head into Pine
>Valley to the motel.
>I have a nice shower and bed and TV. Then I come back early the next morning
>like I have
>
>been there all the time. It works every time. This keeps my hard core hiker
>trash
>persona reputation on the front burner. No problem. I am the only true
>backpacker
>politicican at the Kickoff. I say one thing and do the opposite. This is too
>cool a scam.
>
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:54:38 -0700
From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon
Man.
To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <53e50f97-be8f-491b-861c-c8c66fb463d9 at email.android.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Some did, but old journals tell of asking for water at houses and ranches, rather like the CDT today. But it's an option. In this case it could be 23 miles from Tule to Live Oak Spring if seasonable sources are dry. Not like Hat Creek Rim but not a fun time for all.
AsABat
PCT Water Reports SoCal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
"Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>I totally agree with you.
>
>I also think this illustrates why people should just suck it up and
>rely on natural water instead of caches and faucets. They used to do
>it way back before cellphones and iPods. Treat the PCT like the
>Wilderness trail it is and stop trying to bring civilization to the
>PCT.
>
>Diane
>
>On Apr 19, 2011, at 10:38 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> It might not take much bad behavior to get the water at Paradise Cafe
>> shutoff. When I talked to the new owner last spring about
>> providing water
>> like the last owner did, he was uncertain about it because someone
>had
>> recently left the faucet open and completely drained their tank,
>> especially
>> since he had recently upgraded the tank.
>>
>> If we are to be ambassadors for the PCT, I would suggest treating
>> the new
>> owner of the cafe with kid gloves and hope he continues to warm to
>> us. We're
>> already very fortunate to get free water, less expensive prices for
>> the food
>> than in previous years, and a new offer to hold our mail for free
>even
>> though there are restrictions that comes with that price. The last
>> thing
>> I'd talk to the owner about right now is changing his mail policy.
>> I'd
>> rather ask him if he's hiked the PCT yet (probably not), and then
>> ask him if
>> he was as interested as he was last year and invite him for a hike.
>
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:00:00 -0700
From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimsEwZpii0GMT_RdDwVoDVLSbkLhg at mail.gmail.com>
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Good to see this thread develop into a positive lesson for us all. Thank you
Ate and L-Rod. Jim Keener, too. Donna, if you knew then what you know now
(re: axe murderers)...axes are WAY too heavy to carry...maybe Swiss Army
knife classic (.8 oz) murderers would be more appropriate. Let's embrace the
owner of the Paradise Cafe as we all want to be embraced.
Peace,
Zinger
sent from my Samsung Fascinate (during a fantastic day hike along the Salmon
Falls corridor of the American River)
On Apr 20, 2011 12:42 PM, "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
lol I keep forgetting ur story about the first hikers u hosted
Donna...awesome!
yeh ur right...so many of my friends and family kept asking me if I was
scared
(and still do...HELLO) of someone killing me while I'm sleeping or something
stupid. I plan on goin in on my way in or out of KO and giving them a big
huge
Sugar Moma hug...maybe I should roll in the dirt first so I look like trash
lol...rub on something dead like my Frankie does...haha.
Actually, fo realz tho, I will be hiking out there right after KO so I can
stop
in and say hey AND give big hugs! They will figure it out just like everyone
else does!
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
Cc: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 12:19:55 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
Beautifully said. I think sometimes hikers forget just how counter-culture
long distance hiking is...
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <781862.95969.qm at web161410.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
O just rub it in that ur hiking while texting...wait! isn't that illegal? :-P
Sugar Moma
________________________________
From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>; Donna Saufley
<dsaufley at sprynet.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>; Ate Tuna
<atetuna at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 4:00:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
Good to see this thread develop into a positive lesson for us all. Thank you Ate
and L-Rod. Jim Keener, too. Donna, if you knew then what you know now (re: axe
murderers)...axes are WAY too heavy to carry...maybe Swiss Army knife classic
(.8 oz) murderers would be more appropriate. Let's embrace the owner of the
Paradise Cafe as we all want to be embraced.
Peace,
Zinger
sent from my Samsung Fascinate (during a fantastic day hike along the Salmon
Falls corridor of the American River)
On Apr 20, 2011 12:42 PM, "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>lol I keep forgetting ur story about the first hikers u hosted Donna...awesome!
>yeh ur right...so many of my friends and family kept asking me if I was scared
>(and still do...HELLO) of someone killing me while I'm sleeping or something
>stupid. I plan on goin in on my way in or out of KO and giving them a big huge
>Sugar Moma hug...maybe I should roll in the dirt first so I look like trash
>lol...rub on something dead like my Frankie does...haha.
>
>Actually, fo realz tho, I will be hiking out there right after KO so I can
stop
>in and say hey AND give big hugs! They will figure it out just like everyone
>else does!
>
>Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
>To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
>Cc: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 12:19:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
>
>
>Beautifully said. I think sometimes hikers forget just how counter-culture
>long distance hiking is...
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:22:06 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shut down aPCT water source? Drug Mules,C'mon
Man.
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <BANLkTikyyU_=9e3cGRKi9EuAvAtT-+7tzg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> Treat the PCT like the
> Wilderness trail it is and stop trying to bring civilization to the PCT.
One of my biggest disappointments with my hike was discovering that
very little of the first 500 miles of the PCT is a wilderness trail,
far from it. I was reminded of that this weekend when walking under a
freeway bridge down an easement with chainlink on one side and barb
wire on the other.
Not that much of it isn't beautiful but the realization that lots
isn't. I knew when I was getting close to a road because of the trash
on the trail..
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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:30:49 -0600
From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food in the Sierras
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <BANLkTikFFF_Lu9RFLrGyT17V-K_GTdEfeA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Tony,
One thing to consider is that you are not "required" to have your food in
your can until Cottonwood Pass. This means that you have the ability to
carry 2-2.5 days of food beyond what you can cram into your vault.
For this stretch of trail I am willing to eat a rather boring diet to
maximize my calories. This includes a lot of peanut butter, tortillas, mixed
nuts and olive oil. It may sound weird but I've been known to pause while on
a snowfield and knock back a few oz. of extra virgin to keep me going when
there's nowhere to take a break.
Jackass
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to plan out the food i am taking into the sierras from Kennedy
> Meadows to VVR.
>
> I have the bearvault bv 500 bear canister, filled it with as much light
> weight low calorie food as I can. When I add it all up this results in a
> measly 12612 calories. If I hike this section in ten days, thats only 1200
> calories a day!
>
> What kinds of foods/strategies do you guys use through this section??
>
> thanks all
>
> Tony
>
> p.s.i had just asked this list about fishing, which I hear is awesome in
> this section, but i wouldnt want to rely on fish for food...
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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:37:52 -0700
From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikO4maAaMQyF1PgsGRWH1s8SEn0ZA at mail.gmail.com>
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Lol. Yeah, I just swerved and fell off the trail! By the way, a
clarification is in order. When I suggested that we all embrace the owner of
the Paradise Cafe, I did NOT mean like Shroomer embraces his NeoAir pad in
the evening (sheeesh...I wish he hadn't painted that face on it and given it
a trail name).
Zinger
sent from my Samsung Fascinate
On Apr 20, 2011 4:07 PM, "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
O just rub it in that ur hiking while texting...wait! isn't that illegal?
:-P
Sugar Moma
* *
------------------------------
*From:* Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
*To:* patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
*Cc:* pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>; Donna Saufley <
dsaufley at sprynet.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>; Ate Tuna <
atetuna at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 4:00:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
Good to see this thread develop into a positive lesson for us all. Thank you
Ate and L-Rod. Jim Kee...
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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:39:58 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] TREATING WOMEN RIGHT
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>, patti kulesz
<peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>,
Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DAF6ECE.3050302 at cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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NO, NO, NO, Shroomer...you big "Buffoon" girls don't like to be brutalized and "Chewed" on.
They like to be treated gently and "nibbled" on, not "chewed" on.
"Brother"....some folks on the list just don't know how to treat women.
You are just like that other big "Buffoon" Switchback who also does not know how to treat women.
Switchback makes poor, long suffering Mrs. Switchback cut the grass with sissors and aerate the
lawn in combat boots with cramp-ons.
Now "I" treat Karen (my wife) right.
I got rid of the power mower and got her a nice push mower which gives her a far better workout
and keeps her in good shape, which is good for her.
Keeping our women in good shape makes good busines sense....it keeps medical expenses down.
BTW...I even installed a bathtub behind the garage so I don't have to hose her down with the
garden hose after she moves the grass (like I said that push mower gives her a good workout).
All she has to do now is fill up the tub with the garden hose....she likes that much better.
You see,......I TREAT MY WOMEN RIGHT.
JMT Reinhold
The one who treats his women right
----------------------------------
Shroomer wrote:
JMT, you have got some skills. My hat's off to ya. Hallelujah! The women
are safe if those nibbler teeth just stay put for another season. If I can
still chew my steak, I figure things are all right with the world. Now I
need to start thinking about "CHEWIN" on those nasty little ticks.
Shroomer
----------------------------------
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Reinhold Metzger
<reinholdmetzger at cox.net <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>wrote:
>/ Shroomer,
/>/ I don't know about Switchback, but you can always count on JMT to come to
/>/ the rescue when Melanie and Sugar Moma come screeching out of the shower and
/>/ show you "amateurs" how to remove ticks from a lady the pleasant way.
/>/
/>/ I will remove the tics, wherever they may be, very gently, with my nibbler
/>/ teeth.
/>/ I will use tweezers only as a last resort in the hard to get to places.
/>/
/>/ I know, you guys are probably all confused and don't know what I am talking
/>/ about...it probably never occurred
/>/ to you guys that that is the proper way to remove a tic from a lady.
/>/
/>/ JMT Reinhold...removing tics the pleasant way
/>/ --------------------------------------------------
/>/ Melanie,
/>/ If you come out of the shower screaming bloody murder at KO, I'll be there
/>/ for you.
/>/ I know Jack Ass will be there, I've seen him in action when a poor innocent
/>/ screamer was treated last year, and I'm sure JMT and the Pirate will be
/>/ there for you.
/>/ So that's a start, but I think the commotion will drum up a few hundred
/>/ more, all ready to get that damn tick offen ya.
/>/ See you soon,
/>/ Shroomer
/>/ ----------------------------------------------------------------
/>/ On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Melanie Clarke<melaniekclarke at
/>/ gmail.com<http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>wrote:>
/>/ *
/>/ Dear Shroomer, **
/>/ I'm formulating some strategies here.
/>/ If I run out of the loo, screaming ** at the KO, how many men would I have
/>/ at "my ready" and at my "beck and ** call"?
/>/ Hmmm, first I have to find me a very cooperative tick.
/>/ We women ** just like to make you guys think that you are the ones coming
/>/ up with the ** schemes and plans. Ooops, did I just say that out loud?
/>/ I don't want to ** give away female trade secrets that we have acquired
/>/ over 3 million years of ** evolution.
/>/
/>/ **Melanie **
/>/ -----------------------------------------------
/>/ On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Scott Williams<baidarker at gmail.com<http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>
/>/ >wrote: **
/>/ Of course I've got a "freak mobile," and I'm usually the "Freak" who **drives
/>/ ** it.
/>/ But I'll be gone during that time.
/>/ It just might work. It's a nasty ** old stick PU.
/>/ Can your girl friend drive a stick? She'd have to figure** out ** how to
/>/ get to Martinez (Bart and bus), to pick it up.
/>/ Hmmmmmmmm let's go** off line to talk, Andrew. **
/>/ And hey, Jackass we'll have to see if we can find any screaming girls at *
/>/ * KO ** with ticks attached to them.
/>/ Hell, I'm just gonna walk around with ** tweezers ** at the ready.
/>/ Lookin' forward to seeing you all again.
/>/ Is Molasses ** coming ** to KO, or just your old self? **
/>/
/>/ Shroomer
/
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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:41:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-L backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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LOL awesome...trail blowup hiking "friend". So many visuals right now....
Sugar Moma
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From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>; Donna Saufley
<dsaufley at sprynet.com>; Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>; AsABat
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Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 4:37:52 PM
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Lol. Yeah, I just swerved and fell off the trail! By the way, a clarification is
in order. When I suggested that we all embrace the owner of the Paradise Cafe, I
did NOT mean like Shroomer embraces his NeoAir pad in the evening (sheeesh...I
wish he hadn't painted that face on it and given it a trail name).
Zinger
sent from my Samsung Fascinate
On Apr 20, 2011 4:07 PM, "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>O just rub it in that ur hiking while texting...wait! isn't that illegal? :-P
>
>Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
>To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
>Cc: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>; Donna Saufley
><dsaufley at sprynet.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>; Ate Tuna
><atetuna at gmail.com>
>Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 4:00:00 PM
>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
>
>Good to see this thread develop into a positive lesson for us all. Thank you Ate
>and L-Rod. Jim Kee...
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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:49:09 -0600
From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Haaaaahaaaahaaaahaaahaaaahaaaahaaaa....ha!
I was told by several locals that this area has a serious problem with
Meth.. This may be influencing the owner's perspective a bit. Since we
haven't heard of anyone's package actually being opened, perhaps we should
hold our judgment until that time. An easy way to discourage drugs being
sent to your place - tell everyone that you'll search their boxes-not that
you actually intend to.
I am a civil libertarian like many on this list seem to be...I just really
like water...let us all embrace those that help us along the trail, even
those that are inflatable.
Jackass
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lol. Yeah, I just swerved and fell off the trail! By the way, a
> clarification is in order. When I suggested that we all embrace the owner
> of
> the Paradise Cafe, I did NOT mean like Shroomer embraces his NeoAir pad in
> the evening (sheeesh...I wish he hadn't painted that face on it and given
> it
> a trail name).
>
> Zinger
>
> sent from my Samsung Fascinate
>
> On Apr 20, 2011 4:07 PM, "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> O just rub it in that ur hiking while texting...wait! isn't that illegal?
> :-P
>
> Sugar Moma
>
> * *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> *To:* patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>; Donna Saufley <
> dsaufley at sprynet.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>; Ate Tuna <
> atetuna at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 4:00:00 PM
>
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
>
>
> Good to see this thread develop into a positive lesson for us all. Thank
> you
> Ate and L-Rod. Jim Kee...
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Message: 32
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:02:45 -0700
From: "Ron Dye" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: "'Jason Moores'" <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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This area has no more of a problem with meth than any other in California.
Anza USED to have a lot of meth labs a few years ago but law enforcement's
efforts to eliminate the use of precursor chemicals chased most of them back
to Mexico.
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From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Jason Moores
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:49 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
Haaaaahaaaahaaaahaaahaaaahaaaahaaaa....ha!
I was told by several locals that this area has a serious problem with
Meth.. This may be influencing the owner's perspective a bit. Since we
haven't heard of anyone's package actually being opened, perhaps we should
hold our judgment until that time. An easy way to discourage drugs being
sent to your place - tell everyone that you'll search their boxes-not that
you actually intend to.
I am a civil libertarian like many on this list seem to be...I just really
like water...let us all embrace those that help us along the trail, even
those that are inflatable.
Jackass
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lol. Yeah, I just swerved and fell off the trail! By the way, a
> clarification is in order. When I suggested that we all embrace the owner
> of
> the Paradise Cafe, I did NOT mean like Shroomer embraces his NeoAir pad in
> the evening (sheeesh...I wish he hadn't painted that face on it and given
> it
> a trail name).
>
> Zinger
>
> sent from my Samsung Fascinate
>
> On Apr 20, 2011 4:07 PM, "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> O just rub it in that ur hiking while texting...wait! isn't that illegal?
> :-P
>
> Sugar Moma
>
> * *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> *To:* patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>; Donna Saufley <
> dsaufley at sprynet.com>; AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>; Ate Tuna <
> atetuna at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, April 20, 2011 4:00:00 PM
>
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
>
>
> Good to see this thread develop into a positive lesson for us all. Thank
> you
> Ate and L-Rod. Jim Kee...
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Message: 33
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:04:59 -0400
From: Joshua Pinedo <joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Garmin 60CSx halfmile' map question
To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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apparently there's a memory card error. At least thats what it says when I
put the microSD in the adapter and put it into a camera. Its weird, my
brother's laptop recognizes it, but for some reason when I plug it into my
laptop it has trouble reading it when I choose a device to send to in
Mapsource. I just went to best buy and bought a new 4G micro SD card and
same thing. this sucks.
On 20 April 2011 13:27, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> When you put the memory card in your laptop, look for a file that's named
> gmapsupp.img and delete it. It will be recreated when you upload maps to
> it.
>
> I haven't tried it, but supposedly you can copy your gpx track and waypoint
> files to the memory card, which can save a lot of hassle. I believe it
> would go in the [SD-card]:\Garmin\GPX folder. If that doesn't work, no big
> deal, just put the card back in your computer and delete those files.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Joshua Pinedo <joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why it happened, and I don't really remember what the error
>> message said, but I'm thinking maybe because it timed out. I do have a 4 G
>> memory card and it did come with a full size memory card adapter, I just
>> need to find a way to get it attached to my laptop. I think I'll take
>> you're advise, Ate Tuna, and try and transfer it to a memory card first and
>> then just pop it in the Garmin. Will I be able to just override the
>> information that may or may not have been copied to the micro SD already?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> JP
>>
>>
>> On 20 April 2011 12:09, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the memory card that shipped with the unit is being used, then you're
>>> correct because that memory card only has 64 megs of storage, but Joshua
>>> said he had a 4 G card which I assume is 4 gigs. That should be more than
>>> enough space if he's just uploading the PCT states.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've had incredibly slow uploads (1-2 hrs) that have ended with an
>>>> error. If I remember correctly, it had to do with available memory,
>>>> as in not having enough of it. I'm unable to load more than the first
>>>> three PCT sections of Halfmile's waypoints due to memory.
>>>>
>>>> Kolby
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2011, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > 7 hours sounds incredibly excessive, but I've never tried transferring
>>>> maps
>>>> > directly to my Garmin. I prefer using a memory card reader and
>>>> transferring
>>>> > maps to that. Apparently it's faster, and it shouldn't screw up my
>>>> Garmin
>>>> > if the transfer process fails.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Joshua Pinedo <
>>>> joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> So yesterday I started the 4-6 hour map uploading process from
>>>> Halfmiles'
>>>> >> guidelines. I had about an hour left (it was uploading for 6 hours
>>>> by this
>>>> >> point), and I just couldn't for the life of me stay up any longer. I
>>>> woke
>>>> >> up this morning and there was an error message and I was pretty
>>>> distraught.
>>>> >> Has anyone experienced this? I saved my 24K Maps and The PCT overlays
>>>> in
>>>> >> Mapsource. Should I just go back to that same point and 'send to
>>>> device'
>>>> >> again and hopefully not get another error message? will it take 7
>>>> hours
>>>> >> again or has some information been saved on my 4 G memory card? Will
>>>> it
>>>> >> just rewrite over what was uploaded or will it pick up where it left
>>>> off?
>>>> >> My
>>>> >> main thing is wanting to know if I need a new micro SC card or not..
>>>> >>
>>>> >> sorry for all the questions..
>>>> >>
>>>> >> first GPS ever
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Joshua
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Message: 34
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:18:09 -0700
From: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fishing
To: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Just pack a few M80s and blow the fish out of the water! It'll save time AND
energy!!
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>wrote:
> No, haha, i wasn't planning on resupplying solely with fish.... just
> thought
> that getting some food from the source (ie fishing) would add to the whole
> experience.
>
> Thanks for the input guys!
>
> Start the hike in 14 days.....yeee haw
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hitting a lake at ice out can bring great fishing; so for personal
> > enjoyment absolutely.
> >
> > But if you're looking at this an effective strategy for resupply my
> > understanding is that the average trout brings in 70 calories or so.
> (Maybe
> > someone else can verify this?) and if this is the case it may be
> > questionable wether it winds up being cost effective in terms of the
> overall
> > caloric expendature involved in initially carrying the equipment, and the
> > combined effort and time of fishing.
> >
> >
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Message: 35
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:23:50 -0700
From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] part of Paradise Cafe Thread
To: "'Donna Saufley'" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>, "'Ate Tuna'"
<atetuna at gmail.com>, "'AsABat'" <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
Cc: "'pct-L backcountry.net'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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L-Rod wrote:
>
In truth, I feared that the first hikers we hosted could be axe murderers.
>
No, the truth was way worse. They didn't just murder you in your sleep . .
. they took over your life! :-)
Eric
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Message: 36
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:27:05 -0600
From: Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fishing
To: Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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actually i was planning on just bringing a few barrells of oil, ill spill it
in and just wait for them to float to the surface...
plus then they wont stick to the pan
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Kolby Kirk <admin at thehikeguy.com> wrote:
> Just pack a few M80s and blow the fish out of the water! It'll save time
> AND energy!!
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Tony Shields <tone.shields at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> No, haha, i wasn't planning on resupplying solely with fish.... just
>> thought
>> that getting some food from the source (ie fishing) would add to the whole
>> experience.
>>
>> Thanks for the input guys!
>>
>> Start the hike in 14 days.....yeee haw
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hitting a lake at ice out can bring great fishing; so for personal
>> > enjoyment absolutely.
>> >
>> > But if you're looking at this an effective strategy for resupply my
>> > understanding is that the average trout brings in 70 calories or so.
>> (Maybe
>> > someone else can verify this?) and if this is the case it may be
>> > questionable wether it winds up being cost effective in terms of the
>> overall
>> > caloric expendature involved in initially carrying the equipment, and
>> the
>> > combined effort and time of fishing.
>> >
>> >
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