[pct-l] finalized total pack weight (hopefully)

Thu Apr 7 19:03:50 CDT 2011

John,

Do you really plan on carrying only 1 Liter of water through the desert?
Perhaps I'm reading the spreadsheet incorrectly?

Regards,
Eric
www.primalpct.com

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hey Mike,
>
> I hear ya, I really do.
>
> If, however, I just sat around all day every day doing nothing but
> screwing with gear I would say an "amen" to you - but your barking up
> the wrong tree.
>
> For over a year I have spent at least 4 days a week on-trail somewhere
> here in California. I am out there pounding the miles, not just
> sitting around with a scale calculating grams ;)
>
> Just got in about 30 minutes ago from an overnighter and heading out
> Friday for a 4-day trip on the Lost Coast Trail... wanna go :-)
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Call it what you want,but its total pack weight that matters,and if
> > its enough for your backcountry skills to keep you alive. If I had the
> > time,effort,and money to do that,and talk about it all year,id be out
> > of shape! My advise,throw away your dam scale,and man up brother!(it
> > seems your always weighing s#!+) Jardine is jardine,be your own
> > hiker,pack weight is only part of the battle my friend. Dont take this
> > as a negative,HYOH and Hike On.
> >
> > On 4/6/11, John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hey Ate,
> >>
> >> We do them the same ;)
> >>
> >> I just happen to wear my cap's all day long - thus they are listed as
> >> daily wear. I rarely find a time when I am so hot that I have to
> >> really start pealing the layers off, and even than, I almost never go
> >> short sleeve. Lots more logic of wearing long sleeve shirts in the
> >> Mojave than going short sleeve. Granted the PC3's might be a bit of
> >> overkill for Silverwood through KM. I spent 20 years in Victorville
> >> (and a few years in Big Bear) so I have enough understanding of what
> >> the weather there is like. But anyway, yeah, we both do thing same
> >> way, I just probably approach cloth layering differently.
> >>
> >> I calculate my water bottle weight into the overall weight of my
> >> 'water' because it is just the way I have always done it. My food bag
> >> is also included in the weight of my food, again, just how I have
> >> always done it.
> >>
> >> If we are just a few pounds different I would suspect the main
> >> differences would probably be the backpack and tent setup. Hard to
> >> beat an 8oz backpack and a 12oz tent (with bug insert). In the end the
> >> food will be the main factor for me. I plan to buy most of my food
> >> along the way (for the PCT at least) and therein will result in some
> >> seriously different weights after each town.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I do my calculations somewhat differently.  Things like the Capilene
> and
> >>> gloves would go in the pack weight since it wouldn't be worn most of
> the
> >>> day.  I'd also include the weight of the water bottles and food bag.
>  Even
> >>> with those changes, your base weight is still a few pounds below mine.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:41 PM, John Abela
> >>> <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Very good.  Could you share what comprises your base pack weight.
> >>>> > I'm struggling to get mine below 10 lbs and could use all the help
> out
> >>>> > there.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks and sorry for not providing a link...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As-hvbUBJ_X_dHJXU3ZDb2VlOElUczlWS3JaUmNtNGc&hl=en&authkey=CLCE2LAO
> >>>>
> >>>> Once that page loads, on the bottom click the "Primary Setup" tab.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was actually 7 oz off on one item - so I am actually at a BPW of
> 6.17
> >>>> lbs.
> >>>>
> >>>> You will probably see a few things on there that make no sense (gasp)
> >>>> but as I see it, at this pack weight, I am allowed a thing or two that
> >>>> does not make sense ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> What I would probably ditch if I *really* cared for XUL would be the:
> >>>> pad, pillow, balaclava, umbrella, sealskinz - and than I would add in
> >>>> a GG pad at 1.8 - which would mean I could save 29.8 ounces.
> >>>>
> >>>> For me I figure I could have either: (1) a 4.8 BPW and suffer a bit,
> >>>> or I could have (2) a 6.1 BWP and have a few luxuries and extra core
> >>>> temperature items.
> >>>>
> >>>> I carry the NeoAir because it is awesome, and I carry the pillow
> >>>> because I honestly believe that sleep is probably the most important
> >>>> aspect of life and it helps me sleep beyond what I ever expected and
> >>>> beyond just stuffing a stuff sack with clothing (odd, I know...
> >>>> probably physiological), the balaclava I could probably do without for
> >>>> 80% of the trip, the umbrella is (as has been repeatedly discussed) an
> >>>> item well worth having, and the sealskinz are not for keeping my feet
> >>>> dry but rather to help me keep my frostbitten toes warm on cold days -
> >>>> something I learned from a triple crowner a couple years ago. Could I
> >>>> do away with these five items... sure... but we all face a mental
> >>>> point where there is a line between safe and unsafe, and I tend to
> >>>> think that the most unsafe thing I can face on-trail is weather that
> >>>> turns really bad and me being without the right gear. For me, the
> >>>> balaclava and sealskinz might weigh 10 ounces, but they provide me
> >>>> with that peace-of-mind that keeps me in a good state of mind. I know
> >>>> that with them I can get down into the 10-20(f) temps and stay safe.
> >>>> Obviously the neoair and pillow and umbrella are nothing more than
> >>>> pure one-hundred-percent luxury items.
> >>>>
> >>>> And, I do realize that my food is not going to weigh exactly the same
> >>>> amount, day after day... so the numbers I listed there are what they
> >>>> typically are for when I do local hikes.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
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> >>
> >>
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