[pct-l] finalized total pack weight (hopefully)

[Mike Chapman]

Call it what you want,but its total pack weight that matters,and if
its enough for your backcountry skills to keep you alive. If I had the
time,effort,and money to do that,and talk about it all year,id be out
of shape! My advise,throw away your dam scale,and man up brother!(it
seems your always weighing s#!+) Jardine is jardine,be your own
hiker,pack weight is only part of the battle my friend. Dont take this
as a negative,HYOH and Hike On.

On 4/6/11, John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Ate,
>
> We do them the same ;)
>
> I just happen to wear my cap's all day long - thus they are listed as
> daily wear. I rarely find a time when I am so hot that I have to
> really start pealing the layers off, and even than, I almost never go
> short sleeve. Lots more logic of wearing long sleeve shirts in the
> Mojave than going short sleeve. Granted the PC3's might be a bit of
> overkill for Silverwood through KM. I spent 20 years in Victorville
> (and a few years in Big Bear) so I have enough understanding of what
> the weather there is like. But anyway, yeah, we both do thing same
> way, I just probably approach cloth layering differently.
>
> I calculate my water bottle weight into the overall weight of my
> 'water' because it is just the way I have always done it. My food bag
> is also included in the weight of my food, again, just how I have
> always done it.
>
> If we are just a few pounds different I would suspect the main
> differences would probably be the backpack and tent setup. Hard to
> beat an 8oz backpack and a 12oz tent (with bug insert). In the end the
> food will be the main factor for me. I plan to buy most of my food
> along the way (for the PCT at least) and therein will result in some
> seriously different weights after each town.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I do my calculations somewhat differently.  Things like the Capilene and
>> gloves would go in the pack weight since it wouldn't be worn most of the
>> day.  I'd also include the weight of the water bottles and food bag.  Even
>> with those changes, your base weight is still a few pounds below mine.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:41 PM, John Abela
>> <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>>> > Very good.  Could you share what comprises your base pack weight.
>>> > I'm struggling to get mine below 10 lbs and could use all the help out
>>> > there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thanks and sorry for not providing a link...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As-hvbUBJ_X_dHJXU3ZDb2VlOElUczlWS3JaUmNtNGc&hl=en&authkey=CLCE2LAO
>>>
>>> Once that page loads, on the bottom click the "Primary Setup" tab.
>>>
>>> I was actually 7 oz off on one item - so I am actually at a BPW of 6.17
>>> lbs.
>>>
>>> You will probably see a few things on there that make no sense (gasp)
>>> but as I see it, at this pack weight, I am allowed a thing or two that
>>> does not make sense ;)
>>>
>>> What I would probably ditch if I *really* cared for XUL would be the:
>>> pad, pillow, balaclava, umbrella, sealskinz - and than I would add in
>>> a GG pad at 1.8 - which would mean I could save 29.8 ounces.
>>>
>>> For me I figure I could have either: (1) a 4.8 BPW and suffer a bit,
>>> or I could have (2) a 6.1 BWP and have a few luxuries and extra core
>>> temperature items.
>>>
>>> I carry the NeoAir because it is awesome, and I carry the pillow
>>> because I honestly believe that sleep is probably the most important
>>> aspect of life and it helps me sleep beyond what I ever expected and
>>> beyond just stuffing a stuff sack with clothing (odd, I know...
>>> probably physiological), the balaclava I could probably do without for
>>> 80% of the trip, the umbrella is (as has been repeatedly discussed) an
>>> item well worth having, and the sealskinz are not for keeping my feet
>>> dry but rather to help me keep my frostbitten toes warm on cold days -
>>> something I learned from a triple crowner a couple years ago. Could I
>>> do away with these five items... sure... but we all face a mental
>>> point where there is a line between safe and unsafe, and I tend to
>>> think that the most unsafe thing I can face on-trail is weather that
>>> turns really bad and me being without the right gear. For me, the
>>> balaclava and sealskinz might weigh 10 ounces, but they provide me
>>> with that peace-of-mind that keeps me in a good state of mind. I know
>>> that with them I can get down into the 10-20(f) temps and stay safe.
>>> Obviously the neoair and pillow and umbrella are nothing more than
>>> pure one-hundred-percent luxury items.
>>>
>>> And, I do realize that my food is not going to weigh exactly the same
>>> amount, day after day... so the numbers I listed there are what they
>>> typically are for when I do local hikes.
>>>
>>> John
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