[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5
Paul Miedona
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Sun Apr 3 01:22:44 CDT 2011
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1. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question (Paul Robison)
2. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question (Ken Powers)
3. Re: Food/money (John Abela)
4. Re: Food/money (David Thibault)
5. Re: Food/money (Axel Roos)
6. Re: Food/money (Ate Tuna)
7. Re: Food/money (Paul Robison)
8. Re: food weight (hiker97 at aol.com)
9. Re: food weight (Ate Tuna)
10. hiker update (Jim & Jane Moody)
11. Re: Trail Angel Mike Herrera needs a guitar or two for the
hikers. (Dan Engleman)
12. Food/money (Csilla Tabor)
13. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4 (Ken and Wanda Brimmer)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:39:11 -0400
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
To: "<dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>" <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
Cc: "<pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>,
Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
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I don't even get 12 here, but thats bellow freezing air and Icey water... So it must vary greatly.
Sent from my iPod
On 2011-04-02, at 6:32 PM, <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com> wrote:
>
> Just FYI on canister fuel. I am testing my snow peak stove with an 8oz MSR
> canister and am up to 28 two cup rolling boils. Low altitude and pretty warm
> weather and water so probably best case. We will see how many I get.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Paul Robison
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:31 PM
> To: Donna Saufley
> Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; Bob Bankhead
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>
> Survey type Question,
>
> If, in time HEET became unavailable... Would you be more likely to use a
> canister, or would you try stoveless?
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-04-02, at 4:19 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>> The rationale stated on their site:
>>
>> "Consumer products, which include everything from nail polish to floor
> wax,
>> emit more than 110 tons per day of smog-forming volatile organic compounds
>> (VOCs) in the Southland. Consumer products are the largest source of VOCs
> in
>> the region, eclipsing cars, trucks or industry.
>>
>> "This rule, a first in the nation, is going to significantly benefit all
> of
>> us who live and breathe in the greater Los Angeles Basin," said AQMD
>> Governing Board Chairman William A. Burke, Ed.D. "In less than two years,
>> the rule will have reduced VOC pollution by up to 9.75 tons per day. That
> is
>> the equal to shutting down all seven major oil refineries in Los Angeles
>> County!" "
>>
>> I don't know enough about the science or concrete evidence behind their
>> statement, but it does seem clear that we humans are polluting our
> beautiful
>> planet, and that we can all make choices in our lives to make less of an
>> impact.
>>
>> It's just what the choices are that is unclear right now . . . without
> Heet
>> and denatured, hikers may need alternative fuel for a big chunk of trail
> in
>> SoCal.
>>
>> LR
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:55 PM
>> To: 'Donna Saufley'; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Subject: RE: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>>
>> Yet another example of poor judgment by California officials. Your tax
>> dollars at work.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of Donna Saufley
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:48 PM
>> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>>
>> This morning we stopped by our local hardware store. The owner Trish, who
>> has done countless kindnesses for hikers including donating denatured
>> alcohol, gave us her last three cans and told us she will not be able to
>> order any more. She said South Coast Air Quality Management District Rule
>> 1143 is the reason; it bans numerous paint solvents within their district
>> boundaries www.aqmd.gov/news1/2009/Rule1143PR.html
>>
>>
>>
>> According to their map, www.aqmd.gov/map/mapaqmd1.pdf the PCT goes through
>> SCAQMD boundardies from San Bernardino to where the trail meets the Mojave
>> floor at Hwy 138. "Rule 1143 - Reduction of VOC Emissions from Consumer
>> Paint Thinners and Multi-Purpose Solvents establishes an interim VOC limit
>> of 300 grams/liter (g/l,) effective January 1, 2010, and a VOC limit of 25
>> g/l effective January 1, 2011, for all consumer paint thinners and
>> multi-purpose solvents."
>>
>>
>>
>> The denatured alcohol we've been using (the cans Trish just donated) is
> VOC:
>> 815 g/L, obviously way in excess of the new limit within the district.
> Can
>> anyone verify the VOC of Heet? Or know if the new lower VOC products will
>> work in stoves?
>>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like SCAQMD is acting as environmental leaders with this rule,
> and
>> I have not heard that denatured and other solvents will be banned in other
>> areas. Imagining enforcement on the PCT is difficult. However, hikers
> may
>> not be able to buy denatured at resupply locations within the district,
> and
>> other regions may be considering similar bans.
>>
>>
>>
>> L-Rod
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:38:21 -0700
From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
To: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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Rolling Boils??!! You don't need rolling boils to rehydrate your food. Most
of the time we don't even get to a full boil. Then shut off the stove and
wrap your cooking pot in a fleece jacket for about 10 minutes. Your food
will rehydrate just fine.
And as to warm weather - remember to put your cold canister in your sleeping
bag. The stove will be much more efficient.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
To: "'Paul Robison'" <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>; "'Donna Saufley'"
<dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; "'Bob Bankhead'"
<wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
Just FYI on canister fuel. I am testing my snow peak stove with an 8oz MSR
canister and am up to 28 two cup rolling boils. Low altitude and pretty warm
weather and water so probably best case. We will see how many I get.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Paul Robison
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:31 PM
To: Donna Saufley
Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; Bob Bankhead
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
Survey type Question,
If, in time HEET became unavailable... Would you be more likely to use a
canister, or would you try stoveless?
Sent from my iPod
On 2011-04-02, at 4:19 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> The rationale stated on their site:
>
> "Consumer products, which include everything from nail polish to floor
wax,
> emit more than 110 tons per day of smog-forming volatile organic compounds
> (VOCs) in the Southland. Consumer products are the largest source of VOCs
in
> the region, eclipsing cars, trucks or industry.
>
> "This rule, a first in the nation, is going to significantly benefit all
of
> us who live and breathe in the greater Los Angeles Basin," said AQMD
> Governing Board Chairman William A. Burke, Ed.D. "In less than two years,
> the rule will have reduced VOC pollution by up to 9.75 tons per day. That
is
> the equal to shutting down all seven major oil refineries in Los Angeles
> County!" "
>
> I don't know enough about the science or concrete evidence behind their
> statement, but it does seem clear that we humans are polluting our
beautiful
> planet, and that we can all make choices in our lives to make less of an
> impact.
>
> It's just what the choices are that is unclear right now . . . without
Heet
> and denatured, hikers may need alternative fuel for a big chunk of trail
in
> SoCal.
>
> LR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:55 PM
> To: 'Donna Saufley'; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>
> Yet another example of poor judgment by California officials. Your tax
> dollars at work.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Donna Saufley
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>
> This morning we stopped by our local hardware store. The owner Trish, who
> has done countless kindnesses for hikers including donating denatured
> alcohol, gave us her last three cans and told us she will not be able to
> order any more. She said South Coast Air Quality Management District Rule
> 1143 is the reason; it bans numerous paint solvents within their district
> boundaries www.aqmd.gov/news1/2009/Rule1143PR.html
>
>
>
> According to their map, www.aqmd.gov/map/mapaqmd1.pdf the PCT goes through
> SCAQMD boundardies from San Bernardino to where the trail meets the Mojave
> floor at Hwy 138. "Rule 1143 - Reduction of VOC Emissions from Consumer
> Paint Thinners and Multi-Purpose Solvents establishes an interim VOC limit
> of 300 grams/liter (g/l,) effective January 1, 2010, and a VOC limit of 25
> g/l effective January 1, 2011, for all consumer paint thinners and
> multi-purpose solvents."
>
>
>
> The denatured alcohol we've been using (the cans Trish just donated) is
VOC:
> 815 g/L, obviously way in excess of the new limit within the district.
Can
> anyone verify the VOC of Heet? Or know if the new lower VOC products will
> work in stoves?
>
>
>
> It sounds like SCAQMD is acting as environmental leaders with this rule,
and
> I have not heard that denatured and other solvents will be banned in other
> areas. Imagining enforcement on the PCT is difficult. However, hikers
may
> not be able to buy denatured at resupply locations within the district,
and
> other regions may be considering similar bans.
>
>
>
> L-Rod
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:59:13 -0700
From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food/money
To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Axel,
I think you need to explain a bit more.
Do you intend your "600-700" total to include what?
Just food?
Food and hotels?
Above + other zero day expenses?
Above + Trail angel donations?
Regardless of how you look at it, do you really expect to be able to
survive on around $4.65 cents a day?
John
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> Flat rate is not the least expensive way to ship priority anymore. This is
> another reason you should have Yogi's books. ?Regional rate type A & B are
> now less expensive. ?Go to the USPS website and compare. ?In my case it's
> cheaper to any point on the trail by an average of over 30%.
>
> That sampler is a horrendously expensive idea. ?That's about 1 day of food
> for the both of you. ?At about $50 a day, you would be out of money in less
> than a month.
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Axel Roos <roosaxel at csu.fullerton.edu>wrote:
>
>> Hello all! My friend and I are looking to complete the PCT on a budget this
>> year (around $600-$700 each), starting the beginning of May. ?We are both
>> around the age of 20 (1977 Monte Dodge style, haha.)
>>
>> I was wondering if some of you veteran long-distance hikers could give me
>> some advice. Would it be advisable to invest in bulk food, perhaps
>> something
>> like the High Attitude Sampler:
>> http://shop.maryjanesfarm.org/store/c/78-Backpacking-Food-Samplers.aspx ,
>> and to ship flat rate (USPS $10.95) boxes to resupply points? If so what
>> bulk suppliers would you reccommend?
>> Or to buy food along the way at trail towns (or a balance between the two)?
>>
>>
>> In your experience, which would yield lower costs while keeping reasonable
>> nutrition?
>> Please keep in mind, I am not one to rip others off and take large amounts
>> from hiker boxes or trail magic, so I hope you don't feel the need to put
>> us
>> down. We simply would like to have an epic quest while keeping our expenses
>> reasonable.
>> Thank you! HYOH
>> -Axel
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--
John B. Abela
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drops off, and wounds heal ere we are aware. ~ John Muir
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:12:58 -0700
From: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food/money
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Just a heads up. And I don't want to be negative but... It will be very
difficult to complete the PCT on the budget you have proposed.
I would have a contingency plan for what to do if I ran out of money.
Also it will be even harder to "keep resonable nutrition" with this much
money.
I suspect you might be able to ship yourself low cost foods for the whole
trip, but the amount of planning and work required to do this is
substantail. And unless you have a lot of experiance doing this (which I
gather you don't) you will most likely find whatever you send yourself will
become uneatable after a few months, not because the food goes bad but
because your bodies will be sick of it. Most people that do full resupplies
for the first time have this issue.
If you are heading NOBO I would just buy as I go as you probably don't have
enough time to get everything together to cheaply resupply a whole
thru-hike.
FWIW, I could not do the PCT on $700 for food and think only a very few
people could. And those that could would probably be experianced thru
hikers that have practiced stretching thier dollars on the trail.
Trust me when I say you have no idea how much food you will be eating after
completing 1000 miles of hiking and how difficult it will be to restrain
yourself from splurging on food when you hit a town being that hungry.
Day-Late (who has seen way too may folks drop off the trail for reasons of
money)
> Hello all! My friend and I are looking to complete the PCT on a budget this
> year (around $600-$700 each), starting the beginning of May. We are both
> around the age of 20 (1977 Monte Dodge style, haha.)
>
> I was wondering if some of you veteran long-distance hikers could give me
> some advice. Would it be advisable to invest in bulk food, perhaps
> something
> like the High Attitude Sampler:
> http://shop.maryjanesfarm.org/store/c/78-Backpacking-Food-Samplers.aspx ,
> and to ship flat rate (USPS $10.95) boxes to resupply points? If so what
> bulk suppliers would you reccommend?
> Or to buy food along the way at trail towns (or a balance between the two)?
>
>
> In your experience, which would yield lower costs while keeping reasonable
> nutrition?
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:17:44 -0700
From: Axel Roos <roosaxel at csu.fullerton.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food/money
To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Thanks for the input guys! To clear up a bit, that is just what we wanted to
spend on food, we are trying to earn more money before early May but it's
not looking like it will be much more. I am not intending on spending any
time in hotels and such, however bewildering that may sound to some of you,
haha...
I understand we, in all likelihood going to have to settle for a section
hike, but we are going to try to make this section as big as possible.
And Paul, link me please!
Axel.
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:12 PM, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a heads up. And I don't want to be negative but... It will be very
> difficult to complete the PCT on the budget you have proposed.
>
> I would have a contingency plan for what to do if I ran out of money.
>
> Also it will be even harder to "keep resonable nutrition" with this much
> money.
>
> I suspect you might be able to ship yourself low cost foods for the whole
> trip, but the amount of planning and work required to do this is
> substantail. And unless you have a lot of experiance doing this (which I
> gather you don't) you will most likely find whatever you send yourself will
> become uneatable after a few months, not because the food goes bad but
> because your bodies will be sick of it. Most people that do full
> resupplies
> for the first time have this issue.
>
> If you are heading NOBO I would just buy as I go as you probably don't have
> enough time to get everything together to cheaply resupply a whole
> thru-hike.
>
> FWIW, I could not do the PCT on $700 for food and think only a very few
> people could. And those that could would probably be experianced thru
> hikers that have practiced stretching thier dollars on the trail.
>
> Trust me when I say you have no idea how much food you will be eating after
> completing 1000 miles of hiking and how difficult it will be to restrain
> yourself from splurging on food when you hit a town being that hungry.
>
> Day-Late (who has seen way too may folks drop off the trail for reasons of
> money)
>
>
>
>
> > Hello all! My friend and I are looking to complete the PCT on a budget
> this
> > year (around $600-$700 each), starting the beginning of May. We are both
> > around the age of 20 (1977 Monte Dodge style, haha.)
> >
> > I was wondering if some of you veteran long-distance hikers could give me
> > some advice. Would it be advisable to invest in bulk food, perhaps
> > something
> > like the High Attitude Sampler:
> > http://shop.maryjanesfarm.org/store/c/78-Backpacking-Food-Samplers.aspx,
> > and to ship flat rate (USPS $10.95) boxes to resupply points? If so what
> > bulk suppliers would you reccommend?
> > Or to buy food along the way at trail towns (or a balance between the
> two)?
> >
> >
> > In your experience, which would yield lower costs while keeping
> reasonable
> > nutrition?
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:18:59 -0700
From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food/money
To: Axel Roos <roosaxel at csu.fullerton.edu>
Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Axel,
Go spend a few hours in the grocery store marking down the price, calories,
carbs, fats, proteins and weight of many different foods. When you get
home, put it into a spreadsheet and do some calculations. Figure out the
cost to get approximately 4500 calories a day, and then follow with other
analysis.
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Axel Roos <roosaxel at csu.fullerton.edu>wrote:
> Hello all! My friend and I are looking to complete the PCT on a budget this
> year (around $600-$700 each), starting the beginning of May. We are both
> around the age of 20 (1977 Monte Dodge style, haha.)
>
> I was wondering if some of you veteran long-distance hikers could give me
> some advice. Would it be advisable to invest in bulk food, perhaps
> something
> like the High Attitude Sampler:
> http://shop.maryjanesfarm.org/store/c/78-Backpacking-Food-Samplers.aspx ,
> and to ship flat rate (USPS $10.95) boxes to resupply points? If so what
> bulk suppliers would you reccommend?
> Or to buy food along the way at trail towns (or a balance between the two)?
>
>
> In your experience, which would yield lower costs while keeping reasonable
> nutrition?
> Please keep in mind, I am not one to rip others off and take large amounts
> from hiker boxes or trail magic, so I hope you don't feel the need to put
> us
> down. We simply would like to have an epic quest while keeping our expenses
> reasonable.
> Thank you! HYOH
> -Axel
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:01:47 -0400
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food/money
To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Cc: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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I have this spreadsheet at home with like 345 affordable items... And sample boxes with addresses etc
When I get home tonight I will send you that as well as my videos
Sent from my iPod
On 2011-04-02, at 8:18 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> Axel,
>
> Go spend a few hours in the grocery store marking down the price, calories,
> carbs, fats, proteins and weight of many different foods. When you get
> home, put it into a spreadsheet and do some calculations. Figure out the
> cost to get approximately 4500 calories a day, and then follow with other
> analysis.
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Axel Roos <roosaxel at csu.fullerton.edu>wrote:
>
>> Hello all! My friend and I are looking to complete the PCT on a budget this
>> year (around $600-$700 each), starting the beginning of May. We are both
>> around the age of 20 (1977 Monte Dodge style, haha.)
>>
>> I was wondering if some of you veteran long-distance hikers could give me
>> some advice. Would it be advisable to invest in bulk food, perhaps
>> something
>> like the High Attitude Sampler:
>> http://shop.maryjanesfarm.org/store/c/78-Backpacking-Food-Samplers.aspx ,
>> and to ship flat rate (USPS $10.95) boxes to resupply points? If so what
>> bulk suppliers would you reccommend?
>> Or to buy food along the way at trail towns (or a balance between the two)?
>>
>>
>> In your experience, which would yield lower costs while keeping reasonable
>> nutrition?
>> Please keep in mind, I am not one to rip others off and take large amounts
>> from hiker boxes or trail magic, so I hope you don't feel the need to put
>> us
>> down. We simply would like to have an epic quest while keeping our expenses
>> reasonable.
>> Thank you! HYOH
>> -Axel
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:12:39 -0400
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] food weight
To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net,
melaniekclarke at gmail.com
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Melanie wrote: Fat calories are the easiest to carry as your body derives more energy per weight.
That is why your body stores extra energy as fat in your body. It is the easiest to carry around.
---------------------------------------------------------
Malnourished Unsupported Reinhold writes: Yes Melanie, Switchback has this down to a science.
---------------------------------------------------------
Switchback replies: Has anyone ever wondered how JMT Unsupported accomplished all those records. How does he do it with such a scrawny body and super light pack? Now connect the dots. When folks go missing out on the trail, they are usually well fed hikers. I say there should be an investigation on the timing of Unsupported's records and missing hikers. I for one am going to be extra alert this season on the PCT.
If you ever see Unsupported wondering around the April Kickoff, he always looks like he is looking for something. You never see him in line for a meal. He is always scoping out the hikers, the hefty kind. I say when Unsupported is around we hikers should get into a circle facing outward like Cape Buffalo when predators are around. Just a suggestion.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:20:10 -0700
From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] food weight
To: hiker97 at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, reinholdmetzger at cox.net
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There was this one night I thought a mountain lion was skulking around my
campsite all night, but now I wonder... Maybe the black color of my bivy
provided a slimming visual effect that saved my life?
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 6:12 PM, <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Melanie wrote: Fat calories are the easiest to carry as your body derives
> more energy per weight.
> That is why your body stores extra energy as fat in your body. It is the
> easiest to carry around.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Malnourished Unsupported Reinhold writes: Yes Melanie, Switchback has this
> down to a science.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: Has anyone ever wondered how JMT Unsupported
> accomplished all those records. How does he do it with such a scrawny body
> and super light pack? Now connect the dots. When folks go missing out on
> the trail, they are usually well fed hikers. I say there should be an
> investigation on the timing of Unsupported's records and missing hikers. I
> for one am going to be extra alert this season on the PCT.
>
> If you ever see Unsupported wondering around the April Kickoff, he always
> looks like he is looking for something. You never see him in line for a
> meal. He is always scoping out the hikers, the hefty kind. I say when
> Unsupported is around we hikers should get into a circle facing outward like
> Cape Buffalo when predators are around. Just a suggestion.
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 01:26:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: [pct-l] hiker update
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Today I was doing trail magic on the AT at Iron Mt Gap (approx. mile 358) and who should come along but FreeFall and Found.? We have a lot of common hiker friends, and I remember FF from the Kickoff last year.
Ironically, they are both flying out to California in a couple of days to interview for the same job - with the PCTA.
Both are strong, well, in good spirits, and northbound.
Mango
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:41:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Engleman <danengleman at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Angel Mike Herrera needs a guitar or two
for the hikers.
To: Monty Tam <montypct at gmail.com>, Mike Chihuahua Hererra
<mikeh at casaherrera.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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I actually have a guitar that I can donate; was hoping to learn how to play and
don't seem to have the patience to sit still long enough to learn.? I picked it
up at a second hand store and I think it is a?classical guitar (didn't know
there was a difference when I purchased it).? Hope the strings are okay;
its?been sitting in closet for?a while.??
I am planning to attend the?Kickoff, so I can give it to Mike then; I don't get
to start my thru till late May.? Mike was really helpful to me when I did my
first section hike though his neck of the woods a while back;?I was sort of
racing the sunset when I got to his water tank, so I didn't get to meet him
but?I?really appreciate his willingness to help hikers enjoy the area and if he
wants the guitar I will deliver it to the Kickoff.?
Dan (711)
________________________________
From: Monty Tam <montypct at gmail.com>
To: Mike Chihuahua Hererra <mikeh at casaherrera.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 1:32:28 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Angel Mike Herrera needs a guitar or two for the hikers.
Hi All
My friend Mike Herrera asked if I knew anyone who would donate an old beater
guitar for the hikers who stay at his house at PCT mile 128, Casa Herrera.?
Mike, by far, contributes more food to the Kick Off the ANY other source.?
I will bring one or two guitars to his Cinco de Mayo celebration again, but I
have none to donate.
Many of us hikers NEED an occasional guitar along the trail.? We get centered
again, and? sometimes the other hikers get entertained.? I am sure any past
hiker/musician could relate.? A guitar at the house would be a great trail angel
action.
Can you help?? I will buy new strings myself if they do not have them, but
strings are preffered.
I will see Mike tomorrow afternoon to give him good news, if you are quick to
respond.
He is blissfully at Casa Herrera for the weekend, but will get emails/phone
calls on Monday.
At he Kick Off, you could hand one to Mike or me.? I will be in site 17 across
from the food.
I will only receive a response to montypct at gmail.com .
Please help,
Monty
BTW? Mike is again donating $300 worth of Dianas's Tortillas (my favorite) to
the Kick Off.
Friday Burrito Night will happen again!!!!! (Teatree and Chef Paul permitting)
Email me or Mike Hererra <mikeh at casaherrera.com>
mine is momtypct at gmail.com
If you are a 2011 hiker and have read this far:
Guitar one is at the Kick Off if yo are nice in asking those playing.
Guitar two is Mile 240 in Big Bear if you ask the owner of the Big Bear Hostel.
Number three is Mile 453 at the Saufley's, but bring nylon strings in case they
need the donation.?
20 miles later is my Favorite guitar on the whole trail, but Joe Anderson will
not sell it to me!
An early 70's nylon Yamaha.? Perfect intonation and resonation. Original hippie
owner! The best Yamaha has ever done!?
Joe, remember me in your will.?
Sad news, but good.
The next guitar is 1000 miles later at the Hideaway, Old Station.? It is also a
great older Yamaha doing the best they did with a steel string.
The next does not happen unless you yogi a play at the 300 block of E Main in
Ashland, OR.? It may still be called Cripple Creek Music.? Mile 1725.?
I know of no others for the rest of the trail.
"He who limps is still walking." ~Stanislaw J. Lec
"The Fun Goes Up when the Weight Goes Down"
-Warner Springs Monty Tam
Lightweight Backpacking
www.trailjournals.com search Monty
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 21:47:44 -0400
From: Csilla Tabor <csilla.tabor at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Food/money
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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The regional rate boxes aren't necessarily cheaper (as I just discovered
through experience recently, without doing the appropriate research
beforehand). The flat rate box is a little bit bigger than the large
regional rate box, and both cost
about $15 when mailing 8ish pounds from Florida to California. I tried to
look up prices for other regions on the usps site (since our support people
will be mailing boxes from Ohio and New Hampshire), but it was really
confusing to me.
In conclusion, the regional rate boxes are probably cheaper.....unless you
live on the east coast.
~Csilla~
Message: 30
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:18:58 -0700
From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food/money
To: Axel Roos <roosaxel at csu.fullerton.edu>
Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Flat rate is not the least expensive way to ship priority anymore. This is
another reason you should have Yogi's books. Regional rate type A & B are
now less expensive. Go to the USPS website and compare. In my case it's
cheaper to any point on the trail by an average of over 30%.
That sampler is a horrendously expensive idea. That's about 1 day of food
for the both of you. At about $50 a day, you would be out of money in less
than a month.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:55:09 -0700
From: "Ken and Wanda Brimmer" <kbrimmer at cccomm.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hey S,
It is a good thing you didn't invite me to hike today. I was working on
a little cold yesterday (Rayne, the kindergartener ) sneezed directly on me
on Tuesday and then she was sick as a pup on Wednesday, missed Thursday and
back to share her joy on Friday. I struggled all night and got up for
breakfast, back to bed after breakfast where I stayed most of the day. I'm
feeling a little better right now. I guess you could say they gave me a
little going away present.
Kelly sent me a text. Brian's mother is very ill (Reno) and Kelly is
spending every free moment taking care of her. She apologized for not being
in touch but said that the only thing that keeps her going is thinking about
the time we spend together and our upcoming adventures. So, I'm back to
planning for a threesome in July and September.
Plan on coming to school in the afternoon, if at all possible. We have
a guest Spanish teacher who comes in at 10:30 for Spanish lessons. We have
lunch at 12:00 and Rayne leaves at 12:30. You can also come prior to 10:30,
if that works better for you.
I have an appointment with R. after school on Monday to discuss several
issues. I've written her a letter outlining changes that must occur but
will tell her directly as well. This isn't easy to do.....as you
know....but I've been deligated.
I want to give you a heads up for our travels. Our calendar is
beginning to fill up for spring and summer travels. We really need to
schedule some tough day hikes prior to our July hike and then we need to hit
it hard in August. I don't think we need any overnighters because we know
our equipment well enough. After this next week, I can also hike during the
week and save the weekend for Nat and Barb. Beginning this next weekend I
will be tied up nearly every other Saturday on other commitments. We will
be going down to see Jeff in the middle of May for a week.
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> 13. Re: Handheld GPS Recommendations - update (Paul Robison)
> 14. Washington weather and your Timing (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 15. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question (Donna Saufley)
> 16. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question (Paul Robison)
> 17. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> (Brandon McGinnity)
> 18. Jumping Cholla! (eckert)
> 19. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> (mikepinkus at hotmail.com)
> 20. Re: Washington weather and your Timing (Brandon McGinnity)
> 21. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question (Ate Tuna)
> 22. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question (Paul Robison)
> 23. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> (mikepinkus at hotmail.com)
> 24. Re: Fwd: Jumping Cholla! (Brandon McGinnity)
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> (mikepinkus at hotmail.com)
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> (mikepinkus at hotmail.com)
> 28. Re: SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question (Bill Burge)
> 29. Food/money (Axel Roos)
> 30. Re: Food/money (Ate Tuna)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:24:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mike Schaeffer <chiefrat2006 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Recall of SPOT
> To: Emily Mathews <emmat at yahoo.com>, Paul Robison
> <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, PCT List
> <pctlist at gmail.com>
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>
> I just got a call from SPOT.? I pleaded my case to them and they bought my
> story.? A new SPOT is on its way by Fed Ex to arrive the day before I
> leave.
> They are trusting me on the honor system to return the old SPOT.
>
> I thought the timing was really bad announcing a recall on a Friday.? I
> didn't
> expect any help on the weekend.? It was a real surprise when he called on
> Saturday.? If the recall had been a day later, I wouldn't have had the
> SPOT in
> time and would have had to get it mailed to me somewhere in SoCal.? Now
> I'll
> have it the first night out on the trail.? That way?from Lake Morena I can
> send
> home a message to my wife so she'll know I've hiked a whole day without
> being
> eaten by a bear or mountain lion, bitten by a rattlesnake,?robbed by
> aliens, or
> had any other bad things happen.
>
> Mike Schaeffer
> AT '78
> PCT '11
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Emily Mathews <emmat at yahoo.com>
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>; Mike Schaeffer
> <chiefrat2006 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>; "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:20:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Recall of SPOT
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> ?SPOT offered to configure the ESN # (I think that is what it is called)
> before
> shipping it .. but I am going on a 4 day shakedown hike on Sunday, so
> instead
> they will set the number over the phone when I get back.
>
> It may help to ask them to do this for you before they send it.
> Emily
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> To: Mike Schaeffer <chiefrat2006 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Emily Mathews <emmat at yahoo.com>; PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>;
> "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 12:22:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Recall of SPOT
>
> Can they send it to Julian or something?? Might be faster tha sending it
> to yur
> house and then from your house to you via resupply person
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-04-01, at 3:11 PM, Mike Schaeffer <chiefrat2006 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> That's encouraging.? SPOT tells me that they arelooking into expediting
>> my
>> replacement.? I think they want to see if it is physically possible to
>> ship me
>
>> another unit and have it arrive before my April 6 am plane flight to San
>>Diego.?
>>
>> My fingers are crossed.
>>
>> Mike Schaeffer
>> AT '78
>> PCT '11
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Emily Mathews <emmat at yahoo.com>
>> To: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 1:21:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Recall of SPOT
>>
>> I have one of these devices and just got off the phone with SPOT .. they
>> are
>> expediting my replacement .. just another thing to do before the big
>> hike!
>>
>> Emily
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: PCT List <pctlist at gmail.com>
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 8:58:35 AM
>> Subject: [pct-l] Recall of SPOT
>>
>> Thanks Bob!
>>
>> SPOT has sent an email to their customers, however I've sent an email
>> to postholer.com journalists who's devices fell into the recall
>> category. Fortunately, only 3 journalists had these bad devices.
>>
>> -postholer
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:37:43 -0400
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Face Protection While Sleeping
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> THanks for the tips... Winter camping is my background; so I'm very used
> to the mummy bag etc; my big worry is in trying to not freeze and still
> be under 11 or so lbs base... Maybe adding something extremely light.
>
> Last night I slept in my tent and I used a smartwool beanie; and even
> though that was not over my face itself I think it made a big
> difference... Hard to tell though cause it was also 35 degrees instead of
> 22.
>
> Poured rain all night and I was able to keep dry in this 'ultralight
> pitiful excuse for a shelter'. Still some condensation; but just a fog
> really; nothing that dripped or ran down the walls. So my confidence is
> better. Seems anything over 30 will be quite comfy; and if last year is
> any indication; there's really only going to be a handful on nights in the
> 20's. I'm trying to get in he mindset of packing for the 90% not the 4%
> of nights.
>
> Thanks steeleye for your thoughtful reply... And all others as well...
>
> Shoomer I took your advice and kept one side vestibule up all nice and I
> thought the breeze was refreshing... And it did stay dry.
>
> Thanks again to all,
> ~Paul
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-04-02, at 11:41 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
>
>> Paul: "one thing i definitely need is some kind of face muff; i felt
>> like
>> my nose and
>> lips were going to fall off, despite having sweaty feet." ... anyone
>> have
>> good suggestions on how to keep the face warm without feeling
>> suffocated?"
>>
>> Good morning, Paul,
>>
>> This is in regard to you request for suggestions for keeping the face
>> warm
>> in the sleeping bag without feeling suffocated. Being rather lacking of
>> top-of-the-head hair I carry, and almost always sleep in, a knit stocking
>> hat, but I have a relatively high resistance to claustrophobia so my
>> methods
>> may not be appropriate for others.
>>
>> I haven?t found the PCT to be particularly cold anytime during a normal
>> three-season hike: Certainly frost-on-the-bag cold when I sleep under
>> the
>> stars, and maybe dropping from the low thirties F to the mid-twenties,
>> but
>> at those temperatures I do not pucker the top of the mummy bag; I only
>> wear
>> the stocking hat. That?s mostly because I like to have my head out to
>> see
>> and listen rather than being something done to avoid claustrophobia.
>>
>> In much colder sleeping conditions ? I?ve slept out under the stars in
>> winter temperatures as low as -22F ? I pucker the bag top to an
>> approximate
>> 4? diameter hole as well as wearing the hat. My medium/cold weather
>> sleeping bags have the resulting hole nominally on the top of the bag,
>> while
>> I am primarily a side-sleeper. I could twist the bag around to have the
>> hole near my face, but I don?t. By side-sleeping with the hole on top I
>> get
>> sufficient air while not having any skin directly inside the hole.
>> When/if
>> I feel the need for more air I just lift my topside arm a few inches
>> which
>> increases the inside volume of the bag by sucking in more air through the
>> hole. On cold nights I also wear my fleece or wool gloves. I don?t
>> really
>> need the hand warmth, but I usually sleep with one hand near my face, and
>> the glove helps keep my nose warm.
>>
>> For sleeping I?ve tried several styles of hat, but none seem to beat the
>> combination of light weight, versatility, and top protection provided by
>> a
>> standard, cheap-o, single-thickness, knit hat. I have several balaclavas
>> and ski masks ? both knitted and fleece ? but I don?t find the extra
>> coverage necessary, and invariably during the night they get twisted
>> around
>> causing me aggravation. I also have several fitted, cold weather,
>> skullcaps
>> normally worn under a helmet or hardhat. They work OK, and I sometimes
>> carry them on the trail, but their bottom edge is contoured to cover the
>> ears and when twisted around out of place they cover my eyes while
>> exposing
>> my ears, which is a nuisance.
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:43:36 -0700
> From: "Rod Belshee" <rbelshee at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fwd: Jumping Cholla!
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Caution is in order. In 2004, one unfortunate hiker got a spine in his
> knee. It became infected and he was off the trail for a couple of weeks
> for
> his doctor to clean it out. When he returned to resume hike, his knee
> swelled radically. Hike over. Yuk.
>
> Steady Sr
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:04:54 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiking Naked
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, PCT
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Yes Sugar Moma.....I mean patti,
> That is because the rest of me was already well tanned....the girls like
> me better that way.
> Besides, there are some parts of your body that you never ever want to
> get sun burned.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> Your well tanned trail companion
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>
> On 3/22/2011 8:37 AM, patti kulesz wrote:
>> ur lucky that's ALL that got burned u silly!
>> Sugar Moma
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>> ***From:* Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>**
>> Yes Shroomer,.....that is why I don't hike naked in the snow.
>> I hiked naked once in the Grand Canyon, a few years ago.
>> It was 110+ degrees in the shade, except there was no shade, on a
>> isolated,
>> very primitive trail.
>> I was sweating profusely and already hiking top less when I told
>> myself there
>> ain't nobody else out here, might as well take it all off and go
>> natural and
>> I did.
>> Unfortunately the part of my body not covered by the pack,...namely
>> "the rear
>> end", got sun burned severely.....made sitting very uncomfortable.
>> I gave up hiking naked after that.
>>
>> JMT Reinhold
>> Your well tanned trail companion
>> ------------------------------------
>> Shroomer wrote:
>>
>> Well, one of the best post holing stories I've heard recently was told
>> the
>> day after the Muir tour and BBQ, while I was hiking Mt. Diablo with Huff
>> n
>> Puff and Coyote. It seems their group kind of liked naked hiking day in
>> 2008 (June 21), especially Huff n Puff, and they continued nakedly
>> walking
>> the High Sierra as often as they could get away with it. One day Huff n
>> Puff was blithely stepping from sun cup to sun cup in his altogether,
>> when
>> he broke through and posted up to his nuts in the crunchy stuff.
>> Given the
>> scratchiness of the snow on his unprotected parts, he couldn't extricate
>> himself from the hole, and he needed the help of Coyote, and some other
>> equally beautiful naked woman to reach between his legs and lift him out
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