[pct-l] Rain gear
Susan Alcorn
backpack45 at yahoo.com
Sat Sep 18 10:41:41 CDT 2010
Yes, I had problems with the Precip "wetting out." I tried all the recommended care -- washing with appropriate soap, dryer, etc. -- to no avail. I think it happens with age (its, not mine!). I now often use a Mountain Hardward Goretex jacket plus "The Packa" which is made of silnylon and cover both pack and me. It looks sort of ridiculous, but the system works.
Susan Alcorn
Shepherd Canyon Books, Oakland, CA
www.backpack45.com and backpack45.blogspot.com
http://www.examiner.com/x-11423-SF-Hiking-Examiner
Publishers of two award-winning books: Camino Chronicle: Walking to Santiago and We're in the Mountains Not over the Hill: Tales and Tips from Seasoned Women Backpackers.
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> 1. Re: health care providers along the
> PCT (Rebecca Sudduth)
> 2. John Muir Trail pictures (jomike at cot.net)
> 3. health care providers along the PCT
> (jomike at cot.net)
> 4. marmot precip problem (PCTPANAMA at aol.com)
> 5. Re: marmot precip problem (5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net)
> 6. Re: Bicycle Usage Proposal (Melanie
> Clarke)
> 7. Re: marmot precip problem (Jeffrey
> Haas)
> 8. Re: marmot precip problem (Clint
> Kaul)
> 9. Re: Good Breakfast places along the
> trail (Nitnoid1)
> 10. Re: Bicycle Usage Proposal (Joel Fisler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:49:37 -0400
> From: Rebecca Sudduth <rebecca.sudduth at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] health care providers along the PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> As a person that works in both Emergency Medicine and at a
> Primary Care
> Clinic, you need to be a little careful about compiling
> this list. While you
> might pull together a list of Dr's offices in the trail
> towns, it is very
> possible that the docs are either a) not taking any new
> patients, b) have no
> openings for new patients in their schedule in the near
> future, c) won't see
> you until you have come in for a physical/establish as a
> new patient, d)
> won't take your insurance, e)won't take you on as a self
> pay patient (if you
> do not have insurance). That being said they just might
> take you in or be
> hikers themselves and are glad to see you and help in
> whatever way they can.
> So a simple list might require some leg work in calling
> these offices ahead
> of time and asking them how they feel about taking same day
> new patients,
> although this could change over time as well.
>
> Other good options would include Urgent Care, cheaper than
> an ER visit and
> can take care of most hiker woes unless it is more serious,
> and in that rare
> care that you need more extensive care then they would send
> you to the ER
> anyways.
>
> So a list might be more effective if you list them in this
> order
> 1) Urgent Care in trail towns
> 2) Primary Care (but know that the MD just might NOT see
> you)
> 3) Emergency Room, or technically Emergency Department, as
> it is not one
> room but several.
>
> My 2 cents, not a great system but it is the system that we
> have.
>
> Other than that, this is generally a good idea.
>
> BooBoo
> ME>GA '07
> PCT CA '09
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:28:46 -0700
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] John Muir Trail pictures
> To: <avacedani at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> My
> photography could be a lot better, but I did my best to
> capture the beauty
> out there!
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Don't ever degrade your photography; your photos are grand.
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:37:34 -0700
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] health care providers along the PCT
> To: <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> And just to be a bit more explicit about how I thought such
> a list
> might be developed, I was hoping that folks on the PCT-L
> with local
> knowledge, or personal experience, might contribute to
> develop a
> master list.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Near Castle Crags and Dunsmuir there is Mercy Medical
> Center in Mt. Shasta. A small hospital but certainly able to
> handle trail issue pains and injuries.
>
> In Etna you could take the STAGE (Siskiyou Transit And
> General Express) down Hwy. 3 into Yreka (the largest town in
> the county - a little over 7000).
>
> There is also a hospital in Ashland, OR.
>
> are we there yet
>
>
> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>
> John Muir
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: PCTPANAMA at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] marmot precip problem
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Anyone have any problems with the Marmot Precip wetting out
> after long hard
> rain. Thinking of buying the marmot Oracle rain jacket at
> a bit more
> weight with strata membrain. I know the Precip is big
> on trail but beats the
> hell out of me why. Panama
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:25:38 +0000
> From: 5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] marmot precip problem
> To: PCTPANAMA at aol.com,
> "Pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> No. I wore my original jacket when I hiked the Colorado
> Trail in 2006. It rained 47 out of 50 days, and some of
> those days were all day on the trail or all day in towns.
> Have you emailed Marmot about this problem?
>
> Lost and Found
> ------Original Message------
> From: PCTPANAMA at aol.com
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> To: Pct-l
> Subject: [pct-l] marmot precip problem
> Sent: Sep 17, 2010 19:52
>
> Anyone have any problems with the Marmot Precip wetting out
> after long hard
> rain. Thinking of buying the marmot Oracle rain jacket at
> a bit more
> weight with strata membrain. I know the Precip is big
> on trail but beats the
> hell out of me why. Panama
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:25:28 -0700
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bicycle Usage Proposal
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
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> Dear PCT,
>
> Although I'm an avid road cycling enthusiast I have to
> agree with Chuck.
> There are plenty of PAVED ROADS to cycle and they are a lot
> safer for the
> cyclist. A lot of paved roads are very remote with
> steep inclines or not,
> that are great for cycling. Everyone in my cycling
> club who mountain bikes;
> always seem to crash and break a lot of bones when they hit
> the inevitable
> tree root, rock etc. Let's preserve our pristine
> trails for hiking. The
> trail is no place for a bike!!!
>
> Melanie
>
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:29 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> wrote:
>
> > *From:* George Alderson [mailto:george7096 at verizon.net<
> > george7096 at verizon.net>
> > ]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:14 PM
> > *To:* George Nickas; Liz Bergeron
> > *Subject:* Open wilderness and PCT to bicycles?
> >
> > Heads up! Today somebody entered a proposal in
> the America's Great
> > Outdoors
> > IdeaJam that involves opening wilderness areas and
> national scenic trails
> > such as the PCT to bicycles. The idea is
> entitled " Support Bicycle
> > Friendly Policies on Federal Lands" and it's at:
> > http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/0/95AEE35223EF23548625779E00719C6B
> >
> > We need to demote this idea right away.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > George Alderson
> > 112 Hilton Avenue
> > Baltimore, MD 21228
> > E-mail: george7096 at verizon.net
> > Tel: 410-788-7096
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 08:07:09 -0400
> From: Jeffrey Haas <coopermacjill at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] marmot precip problem
> To: "5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net"
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> I had my firs precip for close to five years before I
> replaced it. Wore it in all conditions including ice
> climbing in NH. Based on my experiences with it, I
> find it an excellent jacket.
>
> Your original question - "have I had any problems with it
> wetting out?". Yes I have, but only in downpours and
> after 6 or 7 hours of backpacking. At some point when you're
> sweating in the rain, your jacket's ability to wick, will
> get compromised.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:25 PM, 5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net
> wrote:
>
> > No. I wore my original jacket when I hiked the
> Colorado Trail in 2006. It rained 47 out of 50 days, and
> some of those days were all day on the trail or all day in
> towns. Have you emailed Marmot about this problem?
> >
> > Lost and Found
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: PCTPANAMA at aol.com
> > Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> > To: Pct-l
> > Subject: [pct-l] marmot precip problem
> > Sent: Sep 17, 2010 19:52
> >
> > Anyone have any problems with the Marmot Precip
> wetting out after long hard
> > rain. Thinking of buying the marmot Oracle rain jacket
> at a bit more
> > weight with strata membrain. I know the Precip
> is big on trail but beats the
> > hell out of me why. Panama
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 09:52:28 -0400
> From: Clint Kaul <clintkaul at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] marmot precip problem
> To: Jeffrey Haas <coopermacjill at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
> "PCTPANAMA at aol.com"
> <PCTPANAMA at aol.com>
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> Wow, I've had completely different results. Mine wets
> out in 10-15
> minutes in a light rain.
> I washed and dried it as some people suggest to get rid of
> oils which
> block the pores and
> promote wetting. After applying a spray-on DWR I
> tried it again this
> summer on the PCT.
> Same problem - wets out in 15-20 minutes in a drizzle and
> sooner in a
> heavy storm.
> Although I sweat easily and a lot, the temperatures were
> low enough
> that I wasn't
> sweating that much. I've given up on the Precip.
>
> I'm looking at buying a Mica although it is pretty
> expensive. I also
> have used Driducks
> and they seem to work okay. I didn't get much rain
> last year on the
> PCT so I can't
> say how well they do. I used the driducks mostly as a wind
> jacket last
> year. I notice
> the shoulders wear out quickly under backpack straps.
>
> Cheers,
> clint
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Jeffrey Haas <coopermacjill at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I had my firs precip for close to five years before I
> replaced it. ?Wore it in all conditions including ice
> climbing in NH. ?Based on my experiences with it, I find it
> an excellent jacket.
> >
> > Your original question - "have I had any problems with
> it wetting out?". ?Yes I have, but only in downpours and
> after 6 or 7 hours of backpacking. At some point when you're
> sweating in the rain, your jacket's ability to wick, will
> get compromised.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:25 PM, 5418610024 at vzw.blackberry.net
> wrote:
> >
> >> No. I wore my original jacket when I hiked the
> Colorado Trail in 2006. It rained 47 out of 50 days, and
> some of those days were all day on the trail or all day in
> towns. Have you emailed Marmot about this problem?
> >>
> >> Lost and Found
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: PCTPANAMA at aol.com
> >> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> >> To: Pct-l
> >> Subject: [pct-l] marmot precip problem
> >> Sent: Sep 17, 2010 19:52
> >>
> >> Anyone have any problems with the Marmot Precip
> wetting out after long hard
> >> rain. Thinking of buying the marmot Oracle rain
> jacket at a bit more
> >> weight ?with strata membrain. I know the Precip is
> big on trail but beats the
> >> hell out ?of me why. ? Panama
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 07:09:46 -0700
> From: Nitnoid1 <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Good Breakfast places along the trail
> To: "<ned at mountaineducation.org>"
> <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Going to Schaat's Bakery for breakfast this morning. Hear
> it's pretty good.
>
> The Incredible Bulk
>
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 12:02 PM, <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> wrote:
>
> > There are so many beautiful spots at which to kick
> back against your pack
> > while still in your sleeping bag, stove at your side,
> and enjoy a relaxing,
> > hot breakfast! McClure Meadow is definitely one of
> them...
> >
> >
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education
> > 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> > South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> > P: 888-996-8333
> > F: 530-541-1456
> > C: 530-721-1551
> > http://www.mountaineducation.org
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Schenk" <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Good Breakfast places along the
> trail
> >
> >
> >> On 9/16/2010 1:10 PM, ned at mountaineducation.org
> wrote:
> >>> Not only in Tioga Pass Resort good, but so was
> Alabama Hills Cafe&
> >>> Bakery
> >>> in Lone Pine (across from the Dow Villa)!
> >>
> >> I'll second that, it's the best spot for breakfast
> in Lone Pine nowadays.
> >>
> >> My favorite breakfast spot on the PCT is Evolution
> Lake.
> >>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:52:40 +0200
> From: Joel Fisler <pct at fisler.ch>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bicycle Usage Proposal
> To: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I totally disagree with the two postings.
>
> First of all, if you crash all the time and break your
> bones then you might be better off hiking. But making this a
> general rule for everyone is wrong. Furthermore you are
> confusing mountain biking with road cycling. Mountain biking
> on a paved road does not make sense at all. I am a mountain
> biker and I try to avoid roads (even fire roads) as much as
> I can because for me the nice thing about mountain biking is
> that I can be AWAY from roads and cars and everything.
>
> Second: Personally I would love to do the PCT with the
> bike. Its an ideal trail, its usually not too steep, wide
> enough and smooth for bikes and you could bike for weeks and
> weeks. I am totally for that. In fact, I dont understand why
> in the US so many trails are off-limits for mountain bikes.
> In Europe you are usually allowed to bike on all the trails
> e.g. in the Alps. Using common sense (dont pass hikers with
> 20mph, be courteous etc.) avoids conflicts with hikers and I
> personally never had any problems or arguments with hikers.
> Why the need for all those regulations? Isnt the US all
> about freedom and non-regulation? Why having trails for
> horses or hikers only, for bikers, for people with dogs etc.
> Why not allow everyone use the trails?
>
> Anyway, thanks for the link, I'll try to promote it where I
> can :-)
>
> Bye
> Joel
>
>
>
> On 18.09.2010, at 08:25, Melanie Clarke wrote:
>
> > tree root, rock etc. Let's preserve our pristine
> trails for hiking. The
> > trail is no place for a bike!!!
> >
>
>
> ___________________________________________
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