[pct-l] ADZ sticker design
bighummel at aol.com
bighummel at aol.com
Tue Sep 7 23:17:39 CDT 2010
The ADZ logo was created in 2000 and is copyrighted and may not be used for
any purpose without the expressed consent of the ADZPCTKO board. Yep, the
ADZ incorporated last year and violated its first rule. It is a classic
design, if I do say so.
Greg Hummel "Strider" just back from sections Q and R
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1. Castle Crags State Park officially encourages biking on PCT
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2. Re: Kickoff Sticker Needed For Counted Counted Cross Stitch
(Bill Burge)
3. Re: First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT (Yoshihiro Murakami)
4. Re: First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT (Alexander Holcomb)
5. Now Biking (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
6. Re: differentiation by weight only (Austin Williams)
7. Oregon View Lake Fire Complex Fire Closure (Chad Courtney)
8. Update on the Cascadia Inn - Skykomish (dicentra)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:26:25 -0700
From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Castle Crags State Park officially encourages biking
on PCT
To: abiegen at cox.net
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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While at Castle Crags in July, the designated PCT hiker camp site, with the
spur trail to the PCT, had been signed by the State Park as being for "PCT
Hikers and PCT Bikers", only. The sign stresses the need for the 3 dollar
fee so that hikers and bikers on the PCT could be assisted further. This
was a new addition from last year and consisted of a printed sign taped over
the previous sign.
There is no doubt in my mind that merely reading this sign would encourage
and validate biking on the PCT; and that the results will accrue not just in
the present, but in the future.
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 7:14 AM, <abiegen at cox.net> wrote:
>
> What the author does not mention is that he is an outspoken mountain bike
> advocate first and foremost. I doubt he cares about hikers/skiers getting
> lost. He, and IMBA want to open up all wilderness to mountain biking so he
> can have his version of fun. Take a look at this article by Stroll:
>
>
>
http://articles.sfgate.com/1999-06-18/opinion/17691118_1_trails-narrow-fire-r
oad
>
> This is a typical propaganda piece by an IMBA advocate to get others to
> allow them to do their adrenaline thing. A few years ago they tried the
same
> misdirection techniques with baby strollers. The government isn't allowing
> poor women with babies to experience the wilderness. That idea fell flat
> when people started to try and picture baby strollers, maybe the double
wide
> units, tooling down a trail in the wilderness.
>
> Now their using fear - fear of getting lost because there are no signs. Oh
> the horror of a trail with no signs! How will we cope? We might have to
use
> a map, or one of those compass thingies, or God forbid, a G-P-S computer!
So
> something happened to someone in 1970. We need signs now so we can go
> another 40 years without it happening again. People's lives are at stake
> here!
>
> It's just another manipulative tactic by a group, IMBA, supported by the
> manufacturers of mountain bikes and mountain bike equipment to open up the
> wilderness to more consumers of their products. Didn't the snow board
> manufacturers fund getting into ski runs?
>
> Some of you may be mountain bikers. I own a mountain bike. I have nothing
> against them, just as I have nothing against snow boards, skateboards,
etc.
> They are a lot of fun if used in a way that doesn't ruin someone else's
fun.
> But do we really want them on the PCT and in wilderness areas? Try hiking
> down Fuller Ridge with a group (yes they come in groups) of mountain
bikers
> tooling down behind you. Would it ruin your PCT experience? Would you be
> willing to change the motto to "Hike their own hike" instead of hike your
> own hike? There are places, plenty of places, for mountain bikes. Can we
> have a few without them?
>
> TrailHacker
> "I can't think when my feet hurt."
> Abraham Lincoln
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:32:02 -0700
From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kickoff Sticker Needed For Counted Counted Cross
Stitch
To: Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <1C24898F-DB25-40BA-B33A-444C172AE758 at burge.com>
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Is it this image http://www.siechert.org/adz/images/ADZLOGO1.gif from
http://www.siechert.org/adz/ ???
BillB
On Sep 6, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Brian Gill wrote:
> Anyone know where I can get my hands on the adzpctko sticker given out a
few years ago? Ice Axe and trekking poles on it. I would like to have a
counted cross stitch pattern made. "Personal use only" so don't anyone
panic! Lol. " Thanks, Brian "Panama" Gill P.S. Will be happy to pay
for it and shipping ..
>
> " Hike Your Own Hike "
> Sent From My IPhone
> Brian
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:38:32 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT
To: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Cc: Rick Donahue <anutherrick at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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My friend fell from his bike and he was treated by the "open
wet-dressing therapy". His wound cured rapidly. In Japan, this
treatment method was introduced by TV, then many doctors adopted
this technique.
This site was an experiment of of a doctor. This site was written in
Japanese, but you can easily understand the result of his experiment
by the photos.
http://www.araya.dr-clinic.jp/woundtreattrial.html
He made two wounds in his arm. He treated the left wound by the
traditional method, and the right wound by the open-wet-dressing
therapy.
It took 4 to 5 days to cure the right wound by the open-wet-dressing
therapy.
It took 2 to 3 weeks to cure the left wound by the traditional method.
Today, Johnson & Johnson or other companies sell more efficient films
for wound treatments.
But, the principle is simple, you can do this therapy by the duct tape
and the freezer packs on the trail.
2010/5/19 Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>:
> I must say one thing briefly. The skin and soft tissue section is
> outdated. Today, in Japan, the majority of doctor do not use the
> antibiotic creams and antiseptic solutions, because they kill the
> normal skin cells and prevent the recovery. ?The blood on the wound is
> important. The blood prevent infections. So, it is better to keep
> blood on the wounds, except very dirty case. The duct tape and freezer
> pack is useful. We ?can cover the wounds by those and ?maintain
> humidity, because the humidity facilitate the recovery. ?I cannot
> explain fluently. Please consult more advanced medical site.
>
>
> 2010/5/19 giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>:
>> Would you use duct tape rather than a standard first aid tape? ?(which i
noted that the whiteblaze list didn't have (to tape down the 4x4 bandages)).
>> ?----- Original Message -----
>> ?From: Rick Donahue
>> ?To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> ?Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:12 PM
>> ?Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT
>>
>>
>> ?It's very good - except it's missing DUCT TAPE! And maybe a little
bottle of
>> ?tincture of benzoin
>>
>> ?--Rick
>>
>>
>> ?From: Steve Sergeant <stevesgt at effable.com>
>> ?> Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT
>> ?> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> ?> Message-ID: <4BF337F9.3010200 at effable.com>
>> ?> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> ?>
>> ?> On 5/18/10 17:56 PM, giniajim wrote:
>> ?> > Is there a web site somewhere that has recommendations for what to
put in
>> ?> a first aid kit for JMT hikes? ?I usually like to put together my own
and
>> ?> don't feel the need to spend big bucks for a ready-made one, nor carry
one
>> ?> that's big and heavy if I don't need to.
>> ?>
>> ?> This is the best guide I've seen:
>> ?> http://www.whiteblaze.net/index.php?page=med_guide
>> ?>
>> ?> Scroll down toward the bottom to see the packing list.
>> ?>
>> ?>
>> ?>
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>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ? ?( Yoshihiro Murakami )
> HP:http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp
> http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking for 30 years in Japan
> 2009 JMT, the first America.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
--
Sincerely
--------------- --------------------------------------
Hiro? ? ( Yoshihiro Murakami )
HP ? ?http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp
Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
Backpacking for 30 years in Japan
2009 JMT, the first America.
2010 JMT, the second America.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:30:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alexander Holcomb <kayaker0678 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <1696.96388.qm at web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.araya.dr-clini
c.jp/woundtreattrial.html&ei=RXmFTIieH4acnAf408zjCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=resu
lt&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.araya.dr-clinic.jp/
woundtreattrial.html%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26rlz%3D1R2ADSA_enUS341
Here is the page translated.
Looks?just like some Tegaderm. But I could be completely wrong.
?
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Alexander Holcomb
513-277-9638
?
________________________________
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
To: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Cc: Rick Donahue <anutherrick at gmail.com>; Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010
6:38:32
PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT
My friend fell from his bike and he was treated by the "open
wet-dressing therapy". His wound cured rapidly. In Japan, this
treatment method was introduced? by TV, then? many doctors adopted
this technique.
This site was an experiment of of a doctor. This site was written in
Japanese, but you can easily understand the result of his experiment
by the photos.
http://www.araya.dr-clinic.jp/woundtreattrial.html
He made two wounds in his arm.? He treated the left wound? by the
traditional method, and the right wound by the open-wet-dressing
therapy.
It took 4 to 5 days to cure the right wound by the open-wet-dressing
therapy.
It took 2 to 3 weeks to cure the left wound by the traditional method.
Today,? Johnson & Johnson or other companies sell more efficient films
for wound treatments.
But, the principle is simple, you can do this therapy by the duct tape
and the freezer packs on the trail.
2010/5/19 Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>:
> I must say one thing briefly. The skin and soft tissue section is
> outdated. Today, in Japan, the majority of doctor do not use the
> antibiotic creams and antiseptic solutions, because they kill the
> normal skin cells and prevent the recovery. ?The blood on the wound is
> important. The blood prevent infections. So, it is better to keep
> blood on the wounds, except very dirty case. The duct tape and freezer
> pack is useful. We ?can cover the wounds by those and ?maintain
> humidity, because the humidity facilitate the recovery. ?I cannot
> explain fluently. Please consult more advanced medical site.
>
>
> 2010/5/19 giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>:
>> Would you use duct tape rather than a standard first aid tape? ?(which i
noted
>>that the whiteblaze list didn't have (to tape down the 4x4 bandages)).
>> ?----- Original Message -----
>> ?From: Rick Donahue
>> ?To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> ?Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:12 PM
>> ?Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT
>>
>>
>> ?It's very good - except it's missing DUCT TAPE! And maybe a little
bottle of
>> ?tincture of benzoin
>>
>> ?--Rick
>>
>>
>> ?From: Steve Sergeant <stevesgt at effable.com>
>> ?> Subject: Re: [pct-l] First Aid Kits for PCT/JMT
>> ?> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> ?> Message-ID: <4BF337F9.3010200 at effable.com>
>> ?> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> ?>
>> ?> On 5/18/10 17:56 PM, giniajim wrote:
>> ?> > Is there a web site somewhere that has recommendations for what to
put
in
>> ?> a first aid kit for JMT hikes? ?I usually like to put together my own
and
>> ?> don't feel the need to spend big bucks for a ready-made one, nor carry
one
>> ?> that's big and heavy if I don't need to.
>> ?>
>> ?> This is the best guide I've seen:
>> ?> http://www.whiteblaze.net/index.php?page=med_guide
>> ?>
>> ?> Scroll down toward the bottom to see the packing list.
>> ?>
>> ?>
>> ?>
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>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely
> --------------- --------------------------------------
> Hiro ? ?( Yoshihiro Murakami )
> HP:http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp
> http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
> Backpacking for 30 years in Japan
> 2009 JMT, the first America.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
--
Sincerely
--------------- --------------------------------------
Hiro? ? ( Yoshihiro Murakami )
HP ? ?http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp
Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
Backpacking for 30 years in Japan
2009 JMT, the first America.
2010 JMT, the second America.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:08:45 -0700
From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Now Biking
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Last year, I hiked the trail all the way to Cutthroat Pass (2 days from the
border) before seeing my first mountain biker on the trail. I almost made
it unti they suddenly overtook us from behind. It was a mixed sex group of
6 20-something bikers thought that biking through the minor snow storm that
was going on would allow them to have the PCT to themselves and seemed to be
biking from Rainy Pass to Hart's Pass. Though I had seen bike tracks in
various places on the trail, this was my first and only encounter with them.
They knew they shouldn't be there and didn't care. As I was filming video
of myself hiking in the snow, I caught them on video as they rode past my
camcorder sitting on a rock. If I had a license plate or a last name to go
with it, I would have turned it over to the rangers.
This year was differen.t I was only hiking a 90mile section and 1.5 miles
before Cajon Pass, I had 2 mid 30's guys ride through my camp as I was
cooking dinner (I couldn't convince my ride to pick me up a half day early
when I arrived ahead of schedule). They knew they were on the PCT even
before I told them, and they didn't care. I was more mad about them then
the ones at Cutthroat Pass last year since these guys were much older. I
guess my expectations of younger people is lower then people who have been
around awhile. I guess I naively expect them to have settled down some and
learned to be good citizens. Lets not even talk about the motorcycle tracks
I saw through that section.
-Miner
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:39:11 -0700
From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] differentiation by weight only
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I have a base pack weight of just 8 pounds. I've tested my gear in early
Spring/late winter conditions (below freezing and a with precipitation) and
have been very comfortable and safe. That's how I knew I was ready for
anything the PCT could throw at me.
I was right. It took a LOT of planning and skill-building, but my gear set
works very well for me.
I think that with a little more money and time I could even get it down 4
pounds. I might even do that sometime...
I think 80% of being safe is about skills/knowledge, and about 20% is having
the "right" gear.
I think of going ultralight like this: In order to lose the pack weight
safely you have to gain more skills.
If you can't pitch a cuben fiber tent in high wind/rain to make a
waterproof,dry shelter... then you shouldn't be carrying one. But if you
*can*, then you are going to be one seriosuly happy hiker. :)
-Austin
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:12:52 -0700
From: Chad Courtney <chad.courtney at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Oregon View Lake Fire Complex Fire Closure
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hello All,
I am currently thru hiking the PCT and are sitting in Sisters with a few
other hikers and trying to figure out what to do about the fire detour
ahead. The forest service had been running a shuttle around the fire, but
we just found that the service has been canceled. Does anyone have any one
know of any possible detour options? or are there any trail angels in the
area that would be willing to shuttle hikers around?
Thanks
Bacon
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Update on the Cascadia Inn - Skykomish
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Update on the Cascadia Inn - Skykomish
The Hotel is open, but the Cafe is not yet?open. They are hoping to?have the
Cafe back up and running in October.
~Dicentra
?
http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
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