[pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru
lauren moran
laurenmoran15 at hotmail.com
Tue Oct 26 10:28:51 CDT 2010
I started with a frogg togg jacket, and it fell apart. I know some people love them, but I dont think frogg togg stuff is practical for a thru hike. I went to the Marmot precip after that, but I think it weighs more than what you're looking for. I also had a backpacker poncho in WA, which I liked, but since it doesn't cover the arms, I liked having the rainshell as well.
Swiss Miss
AT '06
PCT '10
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> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:48:53 -0700
> From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?
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> We're going to use Equinox sylnylon ponchos for rain
>
> > From: jplynch at crosslink.net
> > To: juliak.marsh at gmail.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:45:32 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?
> >
> > I'd be interested in others' experiences with rain jackets too. Particularly as to how they hold up being worn with a pack...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Julia Marsh
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:37 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?
> >
> >
> > I'm researching rain jackets for my 2011 thru hike. I'd like something
> > lightweight (about 10 ounces) but that can both stand up to downpours in the
> > NW and is breathable enough to double as a windshirt. Also looking to pay
> > under $200. Any recommendations? Good/bad experiences? Thanks.
> >
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> > > 1. Re: cyclists (Paul)
> > > 2. Re: Southern PCT in January (Brick Robbins)
> > > 3. Re: Southern PCT in January (Eugene Leafty)
> > > 4. Re: cyclists (Eugene Leafty)
> > > 5. Re: 80 lbs (giniajim)
> > > 6. Re: bikers on trail (AsABat)
> > > 7. Re: Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> > > (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> > > 8. Re: 80 lbs (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> > > 9. Re: bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail configuration
> > > (Timothy Nye)
> > > 10. Re: Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru (Scott Bryce)
> > >
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:25:14 +0100
> > > From: Paul <paul_c at tuxcnc.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] cyclists
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID: <201010260925.14734.paul_c at tuxcnc.org>
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> > >
> > > On Monday 25 October 2010, Melanie Clarke wrote:
> > > > The first thing I would like to propose for the safety of all
> > > > involved would be that Mountain bikes need a certain trail width
> > > > before they are allowed.
> > >
> > > > Please give me your suggestions and feedback about the trail width
> > > > requirements for cyclist to share the trail.
> > >
> > > I don't live anywhere near the areas that the PCT traverses, and have
> > > only managed to hike short sections during flying visits. However, in
> > > my travels around the western states, I have seen much..
> > >
> > > You guys (on bikes) already have a wide path going from Mexico to
> > > Canada that offers views of mountains & forests. It is well maintained
> > > and easily accessable from many large cities - I believe you call it
> > > the I5. On the eastern side of the mountains, there is always Route
> > > 395.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:36:18 -0700
> > > From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
> > > To: dan rapkin <clawsabre97 at hotmail.com>
> > > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID:
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> > > You will be able to get to highway 74, north of Anza without needing
> > > snow travel gear. The area north of HWY 74 in the Mt San Jacinto area
> > > could be very dangerous. That would probably be around a week for most
> > > folks.
> > >
> > > There is a chance of snow in the Mt Laguna area, but nothing that
> > > would impede your travel,
> > >
> > > However very cold stormy weather with rain, snow and sub freezing high
> > > velocity winds are very possible in the higher elevations, but you are
> > > not ever far from a road in the mountains of San Diego, so bailing
> > > out, and holding up in a hotel is a viable strategy.
> > >
> > > Have fun.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, dan rapkin <clawsabre97 at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Guys,
> > > > I plan on hiking the southern part of the PCT for about a week in the
> > > beginning of January for a class requirement for my major over here on the
> > > east coast at SUNY Plattsburgh. ?I was wondering though what the conditions
> > > are generally like in January? ?Will I need crampons, snow shoes or ice
> > > axes? ?I have basic training in the use of ice axes and crampons but I am
> > > bringing 3 other friends with me who have no training. ?Should I change my
> > > plan about hiking the PCT in January for something else, warmer? ?I'm really
> > > not sure, but I want to hike somewhere badly. ?Thank you in advance for your
> > > advice-Dan
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> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:04:15 -0700
> > > From: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
> > > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > > I'll second what Brick said. You don't need any snow tools south of Hwy
> > > 74.
> > > Even with snow you could probably make it to Fobes Saddle. Whatever snow
> > > falls is mostly gone in a couple days, but the trail layout is forgiving
> > > enough that you shouldn't have any trouble at all even if the snow stuck
> > > around for a while. Even though you guys may have stoves, you may be
> > > interested in knowing that the drinking fountain at the visitors center at
> > > Mount Laguna is heated and works all year. Water may still be a problem
> > > from Sunrise Trailhead to 3rd Gate...or even to Barrel Spring. I'd advise
> > > checking the water cache and water report. Also, as Brick said, it does
> > > get
> > > cool and windy. I'm not sure how cold, but I experienced low 20's south of
> > > Lake Morena last February.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > > On Behalf Of dan rapkin
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:21 PM
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Guys,
> > > I plan on hiking the southern part of the PCT for about a week in the
> > > beginning of January for a class requirement for my major over here on the
> > > east coast at SUNY Plattsburgh. I was wondering though what the conditions
> > > are generally like in January? Will I need crampons, snow shoes or ice
> > > axes? I have basic training in the use of ice axes and crampons but I am
> > > bringing 3 other friends with me who have no training. Should I change my
> > > plan about hiking the PCT in January for something else, warmer? I'm
> > > really
> > > not sure, but I want to hike somewhere badly. Thank you in advance for
> > > your
> > > advice-Dan
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> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:11:00 -0700
> > > From: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] cyclists
> > > Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> > > I don't really have a problem with mountain bikes on the trail, but I have
> > > a serious problem when they bring their motorized dirt bikes to adjust
> > > existing trail or build new ones. If I knew they weren't into trail
> > > building I'd be happy to share the trail with them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:25:57 -0400
> > > From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> > > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > > Message-ID: <90946649423D4901860C9034875B49F3 at HomePC>
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> > > Thanks! Sometimes its good to share gear lists, and experiences with
> > > specific pieces of equipment.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Reinhold Metzger
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:08 AM
> > > Subject: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> > >
> > >
> > > ginniajim wrote:
> > > I was sort of looking for specifics, you know, brands, types, models,
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > giniajim wrote:
> > > Would you mind posting your base gear? I'm stuck at 10 lbs. :/)
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > It is listed in paragraph 4....7lb I could only get that light with a
> > > homemade tent & pack and a 1lb sleeping bag.
> > > JMT Reinhold
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > You're going to make me go through all that work?
> > > OK....I will try to get that for you ...but not today.
> > >
> > > BTW.....I forgot to list the cooking gear, repair kit and a few other
> > > minor items on the itemized list.
> > > But they are included in the total base weigh of approximately 7lb.
> > > If I knew I would have to go through all this I would not have mentioned
> > > it
> > >
> > > JMT Reinhold
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> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:34:16 -0700
> > > From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail
> > > To: Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
> > > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID:
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> > > It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> > > of
> > > speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> > > laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
> > >
> > > And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> > > > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and not
> > > > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:29:25 -0700
> > > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <EB1203A7-4992-4C43-8891-92EB4EC1CA1D at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone wrote about hiking in Chaco's.
> > >
> > > That was me. They don't work in the snow. The snow accumulates under
> > > your toes making it hard to walk. Every few steps I had to shake the
> > > snow out. Chacos also have piss-poor traction on snow or anything. I
> > > have been thinking of having them resoled at the cobbler to put a
> > > real sole on. Chaco USA will just put the same sole on.
> > >
> > > > I haven't tried them, but we have
> > > > gravitated toward simpler and lighter shoes. Our current shoe
> > > > preferences
> > > > have almost no support. They are a slab of foam with some mesh to
> > > > hold it
> > > > under the foot. They're very light, and our feet are stronger and
> > > > ache less.
> > >
> > > What shoes are these?
> > >
> > > I have been moving toward simpler shoes, too. First I switched from
> > > leather boots to light canvas boots. Then from high tops to low tops.
> > > The switch to low tops was miraculous for me. I have ankles like tree
> > > stumps and finally I could USE them! Then I made a mistake and bought
> > > motion control shoes on the trail and broke my feet completely and
> > > had to get off. So I made sure after that to get shoes that were
> > > flexible. Still wasn't quite enough because all the heel rise and
> > > especially that crater your forefoot falls into caused pain. Not to
> > > mention that they just don't make shoes shaped like a real foot.
> > > Chacos have a huge arch bump which can bother me, but otherwise are
> > > pretty simple. Hopefully I will be able to make something that works
> > > for me. It's pretty much come to that, I'm afraid.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:45:50 -0700
> > > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <BE2801BC-D2D4-4DFC-91A9-98A74B24395A at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> > > > Subject: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> > >
> > > It seems you have misunderstood me.
> > >
> > > If anyone wants to carry a heavy load that's their choice. I often
> > > say that. But I don't recommend it. I recommend the same things that
> > > Yogi or Warner Springs Monte recommend. I learned from them.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:13:01 -0700
> > > From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail
> > > configuration
> > > To: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> > > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
> > > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > > After hiking from Sierra City to Belden last month I reached the same
> > > conclusion as to the effort by bikers to create their own reality. The
> > > forest service, even when presented an opportunity for enforcement refused.
> > > (A group of four mountain bikers on section M up to the A tree and back,
> > > same jersy, pick-up vehicle decorated with decals of their club. I also
> > > believe that absent something being done in the very near future that the
> > > trail will legalized for mountain bikers.
> > >
> > > Moutain biking wasn't in existence when the trail was chartered. Also,
> > > (subject for a much longer post in the future) the PCTA may now well view
> > > the potential addition of mountain bikers as a new and lucrative source of
> > > additional income....In fact, if the bikers got there act together and
> > > hired
> > > a lobbiest ... Rather than relying on outside enforcement from a
> > > disinterested or nonexistent agency in lean economic times self enforcement
> > >
> > > While hiking it occured to me that the constant trail maintance actually
> > > attracts bikers. I passed a trail crew (Butte) after the A tree and they
> > > merely shrugged about the proliferation of bikers stating that it wasn't
> > > their concern and certainly they aren't an enforcement entity. However,
> > > the portions of the trail where slides occur and aren't repaired, or are
> > > perceived as too dangerous appear immune to bike trespass.(Absence of
> > > tracks)
> > >
> > > It seems to me that changes could be made in trail maintenance that are
> > > consistent with equestrian and hiker use, but inconsistent with mountain
> > > bikes. For example, increasing the depth and angle to the trail of
> > > drainage
> > > steps would be a good start; so that at a foot and a half high the bike
> > > rider would be forced to dismount and at such an angle to the trail that
> > > the
> > > step could not be approached on the perpendicular again fostering the
> > > necessity of a dismount. If such obstacles were every 50 feet or so for a
> > > half mile or so every so often where they can't be easily circumvented thy
> > > could be effective. I noted that crews in section L from Donner to Sierra
> > > City had in some places apparently deliberatly left dead falls, but these
> > > were in places that tney were easily passed and new bike ways simply went
> > > around them.
> > >
> > > Sections L and M would be a good place for a demonstration project. I live
> > > in sacramento and would be glad to participate.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:34 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> > > > of
> > > > speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> > > > laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
> > > >
> > > > And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> > > > > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and
> > > not
> > > > > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:16:04 -0600
> > > From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID: <4CC6E2A4.3030709 at scottbryce.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > >
> > > On 10/26/2010 7:29 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
> > > >> Our current shoe preferences have almost no support. They are a
> > > >> slab of foam with some mesh to hold it under the foot. They're very
> > > >> light, and our feet are stronger and ache less.
> > > >
> > > > What shoes are these?
> > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like Nike Free Runs. My daughter is military. That is what
> > > she wears during her physical training. There is almost nothing to them.
> > > They are very flexible.
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:04:30 -0700
> From: AsABat<asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail
> configuration
> To: "Timothy Nye"<timpnye at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, pastormaryd at msn.com
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> I've been saying that for year. Rather than completely remove a blowdown
> tree trim and notch it so hikers and horses can step over it. It's an
> extension of hikers dragging branches across the trail near Tehachapi.
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> To: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Cc: Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2010 14:13:01 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail configuration
>
> After hiking from Sierra City to Belden last month I reached the same
> conclusion as to the effort by bikers to create their own reality. The
> forest service, even when presented an opportunity for enforcement refused.
> (A group of four mountain bikers on section M up to the A tree and back,
> same jersy, pick-up vehicle decorated with decals of their club. I also
> believe that absent something being done in the very near future that the
> trail will legalized for mountain bikers.
>
> Moutain biking wasn't in existence when the trail was chartered. Also,
> (subject for a much longer post in the future) the PCTA may now well view
> the potential addition of mountain bikers as a new and lucrative source of
> additional income....In fact, if the bikers got there act together and hired
> a lobbiest ... Rather than relying on outside enforcement from a
> disinterested or nonexistent agency in lean economic times self enforcement
>
> While hiking it occured to me that the constant trail maintance actually
> attracts bikers. I passed a trail crew (Butte) after the A tree and they
> merely shrugged about the proliferation of bikers stating that it wasn't
> their concern and certainly they aren't an enforcement entity. However,
> the portions of the trail where slides occur and aren't repaired, or are
> perceived as too dangerous appear immune to bike trespass.(Absence of
> tracks)
>
> It seems to me that changes could be made in trail maintenance that are
> consistent with equestrian and hiker use, but inconsistent with mountain
> bikes. For example, increasing the depth and angle to the trail of drainage
> steps would be a good start; so that at a foot and a half high the bike
> rider would be forced to dismount and at such an angle to the trail that the
> step could not be approached on the perpendicular again fostering the
> necessity of a dismount. If such obstacles were every 50 feet or so for a
> half mile or so every so often where they can't be easily circumvented thy
> could be effective. I noted that crews in section L from Donner to Sierra
> City had in some places apparently deliberatly left dead falls, but these
> were in places that tney were easily passed and new bike ways simply went
> around them.
>
> Sections L and M would be a good place for a demonstration project. I live
> in sacramento and would be glad to participate.
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:34 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
>
> > It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> > of
> > speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> > laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
> >
> > And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> > > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and not
> > > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:23:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: "Donna \"L-Rod\" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail
> configuration
> To: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
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> Timothy Nye wrote: "the PCTA may now well view the potential addition of mountain bikers as a new and lucrative source of
> additional income...."
>
> Timothy, this is absolutely, positively NOT the case.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Oct 26, 2010 7:13 AM
> >To: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> >Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail configuration
> >
> >After hiking from Sierra City to Belden last month I reached the same
> >conclusion as to the effort by bikers to create their own reality. The
> >forest service, even when presented an opportunity for enforcement refused.
> >(A group of four mountain bikers on section M up to the A tree and back,
> >same jersy, pick-up vehicle decorated with decals of their club. I also
> >believe that absent something being done in the very near future that the
> >trail will legalized for mountain bikers.
> >
> >Moutain biking wasn't in existence when the trail was chartered. Also,
> >(subject for a much longer post in the future) the PCTA may now well view
> >the potential addition of mountain bikers as a new and lucrative source of
> >additional income....In fact, if the bikers got there act together and hired
> >a lobbiest ... Rather than relying on outside enforcement from a
> >disinterested or nonexistent agency in lean economic times self enforcement
> >
> >While hiking it occured to me that the constant trail maintance actually
> >attracts bikers. I passed a trail crew (Butte) after the A tree and they
> >merely shrugged about the proliferation of bikers stating that it wasn't
> >their concern and certainly they aren't an enforcement entity. However,
> >the portions of the trail where slides occur and aren't repaired, or are
> >perceived as too dangerous appear immune to bike trespass.(Absence of
> >tracks)
> >
> >It seems to me that changes could be made in trail maintenance that are
> >consistent with equestrian and hiker use, but inconsistent with mountain
> >bikes. For example, increasing the depth and angle to the trail of drainage
> >steps would be a good start; so that at a foot and a half high the bike
> >rider would be forced to dismount and at such an angle to the trail that the
> >step could not be approached on the perpendicular again fostering the
> >necessity of a dismount. If such obstacles were every 50 feet or so for a
> >half mile or so every so often where they can't be easily circumvented thy
> >could be effective. I noted that crews in section L from Donner to Sierra
> >City had in some places apparently deliberatly left dead falls, but these
> >were in places that tney were easily passed and new bike ways simply went
> >around them.
> >
> >Sections L and M would be a good place for a demonstration project. I live
> >in sacramento and would be glad to participate.
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:34 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> >
> >> It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> >> of
> >> speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> >> laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
> >>
> >> And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> >> > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and not
> >> > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> >> >
> >> >
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