[pct-l] Re lone pine place to stay
Barbara Karagosian
barbara at mkpe.com
Fri May 7 12:24:45 CDT 2010
Try the Whitney Portal Hostel in Lone Pine.
Whitney Portal Store
2 reviews
238 South Main Street, Lone Pine, CA 93545
Or the Dow Villa, of course. It has hot tubs.
(760) 876-0030
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Barbara
On May 7, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
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> 1. Re: On the Dangers of the UL Mentality (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 2. News articles covering the 'booby trap' (Darren)
> 3. Re: Trail Angel - Ride to El Cajon Pass from Victorville on
> 5/22 (Blanchard, Sym (GT&D))
> 4. Hiker-friendly motels (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 5. Hiker-friendly motels (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
> 6. Aqua Mira on airplanes (Bill Thoms)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:00:17 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] On the Dangers of the UL Mentality
> To: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>, Pacific Crest
> Trail
> List <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Steve McAllister
> <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
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> Good morning, Jim,
>
> That logic works. In fact, there?s an old ultra-lite saying ? only
> partially tongue-in-cheek ? to the effect, ?On a cold night if you
> don?t
> sleep wearing everything you brought, then you brought too much.?
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
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> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:18 AM, giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This is a good post, thanks for the contribution. I would make a
>> comment
>> about the clothes-sleeping bag choices. The selection of more
>> clothes is
>> probably dictated by the need to be warm while in camp between
>> hiking (when
>> you're generating heat) and sleeping (when you're in your sleeping
>> bag). So
>> assuming you can wear your camp clothes at night in your sleeping
>> bag, you
>> can get away with a lighter bag. Does that logic work?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Yoshihiro Murakami
>> To: Steve McAllister
>> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail List
>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] On the Dangers of the UL Mentality
>>
>>
>> Experience doesn't always mean good judgment nor outdoor skills.
>>
>> I strongly agree. We have limited resource and experience, but the
>> hikers and climbers ( at least in Japan) tend to rely only on their
>> experience. Some times, the tragedy occurs.
>>
>> I will try to write my feeling of UL briefly, because I have limited
>> ability of writing and time ( I am at slavery job).
>>
>> I had read Ryan Jordan (ed.) Lightweight Backpacking and Camping
>> (Backpacking Light) , and I think I could understand their opinion,
>> but I could not agree with several points. I felt their movement
>> contained a tendency to return to the primitivism and radicalism,
>> sometimes lacked rationality or scientific findings.
>>
>> My first impression of Ryan (photo) was he was wearing too many
>> clothes. In UL, it was frequently asserted that the weight of tent,
>> sleeping bag and backpack should be reduced. But the reduction of
>> weight induces sometimes difficult problems.
>>
>> --Clothes and sleeping bag--
>>
>> Why he wears many clothes? I think he reduced the weight of sleeping
>> bag and pad. When assumed total weight of clothes and sleeping bag
>> to
>> be constant, the warmest combination will be a thin clothe and a
>> thick sleeping bag. When we walking, heat is generated, we need not
>> thick clothes. I think it is better to minimize the clothes and
>> maximize the sleeping bag.
>>
>> --Footwear --
>>
>> On the footwear, boots vs shoes dispute appeared in this ML, there
>> are also many opinions. There are many variables concerning footwear,
>> and I had consulted the scientific research. I found several papers.
>>
>> ---Energy consumption
>>
>> Contrary to our expectation, the energy consumption of shoes and
>> boots is equal, when walking speed is 5 km/h. This was a limited
>> experiments by G.R Tack et al. XXI ISB Congress, Poster Sessions,
>> Wednesday 4 July 2007.
>>
>> When we are walking by shoes, prominent jerks are observed and
>> consume more energy. Boots is heavy, but they need lesser energy to
>> stabilize our body. Then, on the energy consumption, boots and shoes
>> may be equal.
>>
>> Matthew, et al. ( Gait and posture, 28, 427-433. 2008) also executed
>> the walking experiments and proved that the ankle fixation does not
>> increase the energy consumption.
>>
>> ---Injury
>>
>> I had already posted on this issue. Stewart et al. (Wilderness and
>> Environmental Medicine 20, 250-256, 2009 ) investigated long -
>> distance
>> hikers, and found that the injury associated only with pack weight
>> not with the footwear type. Boots are disliked sometime, but they
>> were
>> innocent.
>>
>> So, the boots vs shoes problem cannot be solved easily. The boots
>> will
>> be appropriate for a man like me, heavy body weight and traditional
>> backpacking style, but not appropriate for a light weight man.
>>
>> I will omit the backpack, and tent vs tarp problems. But many people
>> know the backpack without waist belt is not appropriate for hiking,
>> and will select the backpacks with waist belt (which has extra weight
>> ! ). Concerning tent vs tarp problem, the very light tents exists.
>> For example, Terra Nova Laser Photon Elite weighs only 1 lb 6 oz (624
>> g).
>>
>> The important thing is to reduced the total pack weight within the
>> secure range, this range is different for individuals.
>>
>> I will walk JMT with very bulky and heavy backpack in this summer. I
>> must carry English dictionary (If my English ability is superior,
>> this can be omitted, but I cannot.) and a heavy DSR (my hobby! ) and
>> the necessities as a foreigner. But I will reduced my total pack
>> weight within my secure range.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely
>> --------------- --------------------------------------
>> Hiro ( Yoshihiro Murakami )
>> HP:http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp
>> http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
>> Backpacking for 30 years in Japan
>> 2009 JMT, the first America.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Darren <darren.bagnall at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] News articles covering the 'booby trap'
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> http://www.tehachapinews.com/content/dangerous-devices-planted-pacific-crest-trail/29482
>
> http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x173373257/Hikers-report-booby-traps-on-section-of-Pacific-Coast-Trail
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:28:55 -0700
> From: "Blanchard, Sym (GT&D)" <SWB3 at pge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Angel - Ride to El Cajon Pass from
> Victorville on 5/22
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>
> I was just offered a ride from Shepherd and have accepted.
>
> Wow! What a great community we have here!!!
>
> Thanks!
> Symbiosis
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: Blanchard, Sym (GT&D)
>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 7:57 AM
>> To: 'pct-l at backcountry.net'
>> Subject: Trail Angel - Ride to El Cajon Pass from Victorville on
>> 5/22
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Wanted to see if there were trail angels who could give us a ride
>> from
>> the Victorville Amtrak station to the El Cajon Pass McDonalds on
>> Saturday afternoon, May 22nd.
>>
>> I am planning to arrive at Victorville on Amtrak Bus 4212 at 4:55 PM,
>> Saturday, May 22nd. It is possible that my son and/or my nephew will
>> be with me.
>>
>> We will have fairly small packs, since we are going light.
>>
>> Will pay for gas and dinner.
>>
>> Would love to hear about your experiences.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sym Blanchard
>> Symbiosis
>> swb3 at pge.com
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:31:02 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiker-friendly motels
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> Which are the hiker-friendly motels in Lone Pine, Independence, and
> Bishop?
>
> We'd like to stay a night in each and give them some publicity as we
> spend our zeros getting cleaned up and batteries recharged for the
> next leg of trail video.
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:46:43 -0700
> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiker-friendly motels
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>> Which are the hiker-friendly motels in Lone Pine, Independence, and
>> Bishop?
>
>
> I liked my 2 night stay at the Courthouse Motel in Indpedence. It's
> located next to the PO and the road tht goes up to Onion Valley TH.
> It had WiFi and a frig. in the room. As I was a hiker, they gave me
> a large bottle of shampo to use as well as a large trash bag. They
> served us hikers breakfast when I was there last year (breakfast
> burritos one morning, cereal and toast the next). Though I spent a
> day up in Bishop, I didn't stay overnight there and I never went to
> Lone Pine.
>
> -Miner
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:48:43 -0400
> From: "Bill Thoms" <wthomsjr at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Aqua Mira on airplanes
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I called TSA prior to my flight to LAX next week to section hike the
> PCT and
> learned that any concentration of chlorine is prohibited by both
> checked and
> carry-on luggage. Aqua Mira 1oz bottles have a whopping 2% chlorine
> dioxide. Grrr.
>
> On another note, hiking north from Section D, will I encounter enough
> mosquitos to warrant a tent rather than a lighter bivy sack?
>
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