[pct-l] Help needed to stock 3rd Gate Cache

Thu Mar 25 10:13:05 CDT 2010

Good morning, Elevator,

I also would prefer to have the caches a bit off-trail and out of sight, but
there can be a significant land use conflict.  The PCT has easement
rights-of-way across certain landholdings which are relatively narrow.  To
put a water cache/camping area further away would require the PCTA to
renegotiate an easement; prevail upon the landholder’s good will by somehow
seeking permission to allow further “unofficial” encroachment; or – much
less desirable – to just do so by trespass unknowing to the landholder.

Some of the caches are at, or very near to, road crossings.  Good examples
are the caches at Scissors Crossing and Bird Spring Pass.  It’s unlikely the
angels who stock those -- and other – caches want to haul all that water an
extra quarter-mile, possibly uphill.  They usually put them just far enough
away from the road to be out of sight of road traffic.

I’ve been fortunate in several crossings of the San Felipe Hills.  It’s been
cool, and I had carried a sufficient load of water out of Scissors Crossing.
The only water I've taken out of the Third Gate Cache was less than a liter
to have a good swig and top up my canteen.  In ’07 I also took a chunk of
lead out of the donation box for hikers.  The sign on the box said, “Help
yourself”, and I really wanted to carry all of it, but I decided to leave
all but one piece for the herd behind me.  What a sacrifice.

Steel-Eye

Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965

http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:13 AM, <jeff.singewald at comcast.net> wrote:

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> Wow, 400 gallons last year?  I guess this is one water cache that is no
> longer promoted or considered to be "for emergency and top-off purposes
> only".  No wonder so many people choose to make camp at 3rd Gate nowadays.
> 400 plastic jugs of water right on top of the trail, sweet!  Remember those
> discussions earlier this winter re: LNT.  Don't get me wrong Monty, I think
> Charlie does a wonderful thing, I just would prefer that the cache not be
> right on the trail.  A quarter mile off-trail would be so much nicer for
> those that consider these water caches an eye-sore.  If you need/want the
> water, a quarter-mile is no big deal in the scope of 2658 miles.
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> Subject: [pct-l] Help needed to stock 3rd Gate Cache
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> Hi
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> Monday March 29 at 9:30 am at Barrel Springs Trailhead (PCT mile 101) we
> are gathering to help carry water to the Third Gate Water Cache.
> The Third Gate Water Cache is on the 24 mile hot, high, shadeless and
> waterless stretch of what use to be called the "Dreaded"San Felipe Hills at
> about PCT mile 91.  Last year hikers drank over 400 gallons of water from
> this cache, the sole creation of Trail Angel and PCT vertan Charlie Jones,
> who took the "Dreaded" out of the Dreaded San Felipe Hills.
>
> We meet at Barrel Springs, drive back roads over private property to the
> base of a hill, and carry water in backpacks about one mile UPHILL.
> You will need to bring a backpack that will comfortably carry gallon water
> bottles. 3-5 at a time.
>
> We need 10 people as we will be carrying well over 150 gallons up the hill
> this Monday.  There may be a film crew there, so dress well.  :-)
>
> Let me know if you can help Charlie help the hikers.   montypct at gmail.com
>
> Barrel Springs is on S-22 one mile east of S-2.   There is a dirt pull off
> area, a PCT sign and a cattle gate on the south side of S-22. We will
> carpool as vehicles allow.
>
> Thanks for supporting Charlie and the PCT hikers of 2010.
>
> Warner Springs Monty
> 2010 and some other years PCT Thru Hiker  :-)
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> The Fun Goes Up when the Weight Goes Down
> -Warner Springs Monty Tam
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