[pct-l] Unfit father of a hiker baby

Wed Mar 10 15:21:59 CST 2010

David & Rachel,
Ignore the MORONS or Trolls...whatever the case may be.

If you've been on this list for any length of time or done ANY research on
long distance hiking, U already know that ANY long distance hike is
"dangerous".  One of the best things about hiking the southern part of the
PCT, is that there's a road or town or store or SOMETHING within 20 or 30
miles almost regardless of where you are.  If you have good maps and many
possible Bail-points for the "What If" scenario considering UR bringing a
toddler, I'm sure U'll be fine and have a great time!

Josh

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:04 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Unfit father of a hiker baby

In reply to "not knowing how tought the PCT is.":  I give up.  You're right.
I know nothing.  Thru-hike the Pacific Northwest Trail, and please, please,
please tell me how tough a trail is.  There's a reason less than 30 people
hike it every year.  My wife and I did last summer.  Good lord, people.  We
will be doing this trip, and for all those going out in 2011, it'll be great
to see you there.  Please have Child Protection Services waiting for me at
every highway crossing.  \

Cheers,

David and Rachel Liechty

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oday's Topics:
   1. Re: Kennedy Meadows H2O (Ryan Christensen)
  2. Re: To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
     (dnlcyclone at aol.com)
  3. Re: PCT Hiker Missing in S. Washington (patti kulesz)
  4. Re: Thru-hiking the PCT with 13-18 month child (patti kulesz)
  5. Re: To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
     (Bob Bankhead)
  6. thanks SCA and how do I help? (Lee Montgomery)
  7. Re: thanks SCA and how do I help? (AsABat)
  8. Re: To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
     (Andrea Dinsmore)
  9. Re: To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
     (Ryan S. Bozzell)
 10. Re: thanks SCA and how do I help? (jape1 at cox.net)

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Message: 1
ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:11:16 -0800 (PST)
rom: Ryan Christensen <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Kennedy Meadows H2O
o: lint at riseup.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
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In 2006 the only water I did not treat at Kennedy Meadows was from the 
ampground--- Within 3 days I was so sick, I had to drop down to Lone Pine to

eek medical attention. 
Watch out!
ProDeal
 www.bristleconemedia.com

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rom: "lint at riseup.net" <lint at riseup.net>
o: pct-l at backcountry.net
ent: Wed, March 10, 2010 8:38:22 AM
ubject: [pct-l] Kennedy Meadows H2O
In 2006 I treated every drop of water I drank at Kennedy Meadows, and
hile I didn't get giardia, I did have intestinal issues. In 2009 I drank
he hose water without treating it, and had no issues at all. Obviously
very persons system reacts differently to these things.
Lint
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ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:30:08 -0500
rom: dnlcyclone at aol.com
ubject: Re: [pct-l] To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
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nbelievable.  I shouldn't be trusted with a child, because I want to take a 
hild backpacking?  I am not a cliff jumper.  I am not a skydiver.  I am not
a 
ock climber.  I do not drive motorcycles.  I don't skateboard.  I don't even
go 
ce skating.  I am not a stunt man or a monumental risk taker.  It baffles
the 
ind how people insinuate that you are putting your child at risk by going
into 
he backcountry.  I'm sure I don't need to pull the stats for you on per
capita 
utomobile accidents on the myriad roads in this country.  My wife and I will

ot put our child in danger.  You are infinitely more at risk putting your
child 
n a car seat in a vehicle on a freeway than you are fording a river.
Believe 
e, if a river's too deep to ford, we won't do it.  Bottom line.  I love how 
eople think that we would do this without the utmost preparation.  Trust me,

here will not be a creek or river that we will not anticipate on this entire

rip.  No stone will be left unturned.  Wil
l there be obstacles and surprises.  Definitely.  Am I going to rapell down
the 
ide of a mountain with my child cinched up with some bungee cord and a 
arrabiner?  No.  We are not "playing."  We are living.  And we are making a 
hoice that our child can live right along with us.  I am a teacher, a coach
and 
 PCA, and I have never endangered any of the children entrusted to my care
in 
he ten plus years I have been an educator.  I would also like to say that 
eople in our community and the outdoor community have largely been extremely

nthusiastic about our attempt.  I don't know if you've read the book "Zero 
ays," by Barbara Egbert, but she and her husband thru-hiked the PCT when
their 
aughter was 10.  Yes, she was more self-sufficient, but I would be much more

fraid of fording a river with a short ten year old, than with a 16 month old

trapped securely to my back in a sturdy, well made backpack.  If the
challenge 
f completing the PCT in 2011 were to present a serious
 risk, we won't take it.  But we are preparing right now to ensure that we
will 
e as ready as possible.  I encourage all feedback, but will not be bullied
into 
elieving that I need to be reported to Child Protection Services because I
want 
o share the wilderness with my child.  By the way, in days of yore (i.e.
before 
ars, roads, etc.), people actually walked with their children.  There are in

act people who still do.  

heers,

avid Liechty 

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Message: 3
ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:51:48 -0800 (PST)
rom: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Hiker Missing in S. Washington
o: pct-l at backcountry.net, Gary Schenk <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
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what does it matter anyways???? jimeny cricketts! she's a hiker and that's
all 
hat counts! unfortunately all the evidence is pointing to foul play and it
sux 
o think that their is mishap lurking on the trails....it's supposed to be
our 
afe place from the evils of humanity and now we have one more thing to think

bout before we leave in April!

patti?Sugar Moma PCT 09!

ww.hikestrong2010.com?hiking again in 2010 for cancer!?
--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Gary Schenk <gwschenk at socal.rr.com> wrote:

rom: Gary Schenk <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Hiker Missing in S. Washington
o: pct-l at backcountry.net
ate: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 4:41 PM

n Tuesday 09 March 2010 15:24:29 Bill Burge wrote:
 More like "day hiker lost near PCT".
Best of luck to her!
>
 When I do a day hike on the PCT, I don't consider myself a "PCT hiker".

Why not?
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ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:54:41 -0800 (PST)
rom: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-hiking the PCT with 13-18 month child
o: pct-l at backcountry.net, Matthew Edwards <hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
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that's why we are called WOman Ice Axe! teehee!

patti?Sugar Moma PCT 09!

ww.hikestrong2010.com?hiking again in 2010 for cancer!?
--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Matthew Edwards <hetchhetchyman at aol.com> wrote:

rom: Matthew Edwards <hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-hiking the PCT with 13-18 month child
o: pct-l at backcountry.net
ate: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 7:27 PM

ast year I met the "People of the Goat". They were hiking with their 10
month 
ld baby. Lady Goat Person carried the infant while the 19 goats carried all 
heir gear. They only covered about 6 miles a day but they were the happiest 
ittle family I ever met on a trail.
ady Goat Person made a special shirt that held her baby letting her walk
hands 
ree. The baby had lots of protective clothing as the goats allowed them to 
arry any and all needs.
 don't know much about hiking with children but I know they did so
succesfully 
f not very far each day.
 must add that while Mother and baby were very healthy looking, Mr Goat
Person 
as quite thin and pale. I learned first hand that Women react quite
differently 
o the stresses of hiking... IE they don't get all skinny and scraggly like
us 
uys. Female bodies go into some sort of "survival" mode while we become
starved 
ittle shrunken men. 
 am getting a little off topic.. Sorry.
erhaps a backup plan would be a good idea. A good friend or family member
could 
se a car to provide support along the tougher sections of trail in case the 
ittle one needs a break.
hen again our ancestors travelled great distances with children.. Might be
an 
pic Adventure!
est of Luck!
Iceaxe PCT09
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Message: 5
ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:55:13 -0800
rom: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
o: <pct-l at backcountry.net>,    <dnlcyclone at aol.com>
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David:
Ignore the troll. Opinions are like anal sphincters; everybody has one. View

hem with an eye towards something you might have overlooked, but in the
final 
nalysis, the only opinions that matter are yours and your wife's. It's your 
hild. your responsibility, and your decision.
Having safely raised two outdoor-oriented kids to adulthood, I can say with
some 
evel of confidence that parenting is a long, hard, often rocky, and
generally 
ewarding road. You are, in my opinion, starting out well, and your child
will 
ne day thank you for it.
Wandering Bob
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Message: 6
ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:39:38 -0800 (PST)
rom: Lee Montgomery <leemontgomery12 at yahoo.com>
ubject: [pct-l] thanks SCA and how do I help?
o: pct-l at backcountry.net
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on a recent section hike I ran into a group of young SCA'ers brushing and
fixing 
he PCT, My hat is off to them and others like them. After finishing about
150 
iles of sec A and B I would like to know how I can get involved. Please let
me 
now if things are planned because there are places in desperate need of
work. 
fallen trees and rock slides)

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ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:48:25 -0800
rom: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] thanks SCA and how do I help?
o: Lee Montgomery <leemontgomery12 at yahoo.com>
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Lots of opportunities on Campy's website at www.trailprojects.com
ncluding a list of PCT projects.
AsABat
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Lee Montgomery
leemontgomery12 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 on a recent section hike I ran into a group of young SCA'ers brushing and 
ixing the PCT, My hat is off to them and others like them. After finishing 
bout 150 miles of sec A and B I would like to know how I can get involved. 
lease let me know if things are planned because there are places in
desperate 
eed of work. (fallen trees and rock slides)

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ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:53:19 -0800
rom: Andrea Dinsmore <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
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We had a gal and her hubby come thru here SOBO a few years back. They had
een thru hiking in the North Cascades and after the hubby crossed a swift
unning river she began to cross. She lost her footing and was swept away
nd out of his reach. The only thing that saved her life was her pack
etting caught on a low branch. The high swift water had her pinned and tore
er pants off. This story came directly from them.
I've listened to hikers for 7 years and how many dangerous spots they have
ome through. The winters are brutal up here. Most of the Fall it is pouring
ain everyday. Hikers are miserable when they arrive. They are soaked to the
one and very cold.
As to Scrambler coming through here when she was 10 years old. She also was
ery tired and wet and cold. She's a tough cookie and has been hiking local
ince she was tiny. The PCT was not her first hike. She carried her own
ear, food and other needs. She walked the whole trail. She was experienced
efore she did the PCT. Her mind, feet and body were ready. She was taught
xtremely well by a set of parents who had years of difficult hiking under
heir belts.
Unless you have hiked the whole PCT you don't know how rough and dangerous
t is.
PCT MOM
ndrea Dinsmore...Mom, Gramma and Parent of a lot of Hiker Trash....:)

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ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:08:28 -0700
rom: "Ryan S. Bozzell" <RBozzell at vailresorts.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] To those dragging babies along while thru hiking
o: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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They could just have one person cross first and then just toss the baby
across. 
OL!

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ate: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:48:37 -0500
rom: <jape1 at cox.net>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] thanks SCA and how do I help?
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Why do I have an image of young people in medieval garb hacking at the
manzanita 
ith broadswords....got me garffing.
eckert

--- Lee Montgomery <leemontgomery12 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
 on a recent section hike I ran into a group of young SCA'ers brushing and 
ixing the PCT, My hat is off to them and others like them. After finishing 
bout 150 miles of sec A and B I would like to know how I can get involved. 
lease let me know if things are planned because there are places in
desperate 
eed of work. (fallen trees and rock slides)

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