[pct-l] VVR
Dave and Cindy
ihikeon at comcast.net
Thu Mar 11 22:20:19 CST 2010
Our experience over many years visiting VVR has only been positive and a
highlight of the hike. The owner, Jim, runs a very professional business
and we have a very high regard for the man and his services to the hiker
community. We look forward to our visit to VVR and seeing Jim this year on
our thru hike.
Tarzan
www.trailjournals.com/tarzanandzelda
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> 1. Re: Bivy? (giniajim)
> 2. Re: VVR (Junaid Dawud)
> 3. VVR (Bob Bankhead)
> 4. Re: VVR (giniajim)
> 5. Re: TORTILLAS!!! (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> 6. Re: TORTILLAS!! (Matthew Edwards)
> 7. Re: VVR (Vermilion Valley Resort)
> 8. Re: VVR (Eugene)
> 9. Re: VVR (Vermilion Valley Resort)
> 10. VVR (Postholer)
> 11. Re: VVR (Vermilion Valley Resort)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:11:16 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bivy?
> To: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> For what its worth, I've got a bivy to sell. Only been used a couple of
> times. I'm just not a bivy person. Happy to discuss with anyone
> interested via private email (jplynch at crosslink.net).
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sean 'Miner' Nordeen
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:23 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Bivy?
>
>
> >You had some other technique to ward off the bugs, right? I just find
> it
> >hard to believe you could hike the PCT without having some strategy
> >for keeping the bugs away at night.
>
> Well for one thing, I treated all my clothing/hat with Permithrin at
> Kennedy Meadows and I wore long pants and sleeves. This worked to keep
> the bugs away from me for the most part. With the exception of Northern
> Yosemite which is the only 2 days I used DEET on the entire trail.I
> sometimes used a headnet in camp or on long breaks if they were really bad
> (Rae Lakes, N. Yosemite).
>
> I never was one to hang out inside a tent so any bug shelter would only
> be used when I go to sleep. I cowboyed camp for all but 9 nights on the
> trail when weather threatened. I tended to camp high (below the snow
> line though) so it was usually too cold for them. In lower elevations, I
> continued to get before dawn (just like in SoCAL)) before the mosquitos
> are active. In fact, it was usually the first lone one buzzing near my
> ear that woke me up many mornings and provided motivation to get moving
> rather then sleep in as I knew I'd be swarmed if I stayed for much longer.
> I only go to bed after it gets dark and most mosquitos quickly leave. I
> sometimes went to bed with a headnet on, but usually only did so for a
> short while before taking it off as the mosquitos were soon gone. The few
> nights they were really bad, I slept in my regular bivy sack with it
> zipped shut, which does have a netting over the face area. Though once
> again, I normally opened it up after they left
> w
> hen the temperatures started to drop.
>
> I sent the bug bivy home in Mammoth Lakes because it wasn't too warm to
> use my regular bivy sack which also offers weather and wind protection.
> If I had been hiking back east where the night temperatures are much
> warmer, I might have kept the bug bivy instead since it's cooler to sleep
> in.
>
>
> I hiked the Sierras with only a handful of bites (mostly on the hands).
> My methods work for my hiking style. I'm fully aware it wouldn't work for
> everyone just as tarping or cowboy camping doesn't.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:14:18 -0700
> From: Junaid Dawud <jdawud at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> This originally came about because I said it was a mistake for me to
> resupply there. The hotsprings, free camping, warm lake, and the PO
> made mono seem better to me than the place I got a 'shady' feel from,
> extra miles and all. As I said, it's just my opinion, and vvr does
> provide a service to many hikers. Many are happy with the place, and
> that's great. I'm sure many will continue to enjoy it. I didn't.
>
> Next, I didn't "exchange" emails with anyone. I made my original
> 'mistakes' post and numerous people asked me specifically about the
> VVR part. The email that came from the VVR address asked me what about
> my experience made me say it was a mistake. I answered all of the
> questions posed to me in my second email, 'VVR'. No other emails were
> sent. I never said "don't go to VVR". I just said it wasn't good for
> me and the owner seemed shady to ME.
>
> By all means, listen to all perspectives, and then HYOH.
>
> Junaid
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:18:54 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "PCT List" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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>
> All:
>
> I am one of those hikers who, for whatever reason, was unable to make it
> to V V R to pick up my resupply box. I emailed them to arrange a return. I
> had them open the package, retrieve the envelope containing the $40 cash,
> keep $20 to cover their costs, and return the rest to me. The box arrived
> at my door intact, minus the one $20 bill, a week later.
>
> A word to the wise - be very careful what you accuse someone of in
> writing, especially when you publish it for all to read. You might be
> compelled to prove it. If in doubt, have your lawyer explain the
> California statutes regarding Libel to you. And let's not forget
> compensatory damages for potential lost revenue as a result of your
> actions.
>
> In my opinion, a quick and public apology is
> warrented.................unless you're absolutely certain that (1) VVR
> would never sue you, or (2) even if they did, you can prove your claim in
> front of a jury.
>
> When I was a police officer, a state's attorney told me "What you know -
> or think you know - and what you can prove are often two different
> things".
>
> Your call.
>
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:19:22 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "Vermilion Valley Resort" <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Is it possible to get to/from VVR via public transportation?
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:19:31 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] TORTILLAS!!!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I was unable to eat tortillas on the trail. For some reason I had a
> really hard time swallowing them. Same for fig newtons. I eat these
> things all the time at home but could not swallow them on the trail.
>
> Instead of tortillas I carried bread. It doesn't fit in a bear can,
> but I didn't carry it all the time. A loaf of bread carries very
> well. A friend of mine named HikeOn would crush the bread as flat as
> he could lengthwise so that the slices would be thin. He swore it
> would puff back up again. I just carried it as is and had no trouble.
>
> Add a jar of peanut butter and some jelly (repackaged in a used
> peanut butter jar) and I had unlimited peanut butter and jelly
> sandwiches.
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:40:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: Matthew Edwards <hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] TORTILLAS!!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Opps. I read what I wrote and realized I did not specify the manner in
> which I heated the tortillas on my alcohol stove. I used denatured alcohol
> when availiable but also yellow HEET which puts out nasty vapors. My Mini
> Trangia ( I switched to at Tahoe) came with a non-stick pot lid. I heated
> the torillas on the lid NOT over the open flames.
> Anyhow, I thought I should clear that up. I would not want anyone to get
> ill from Heet vapors etc.
> -Iceaxe
>
> Sent on the Go from a Peek Email Device.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:44:42 -0700
> From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "Wes Rose" <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <7AB3DE6D-AF08-4ADC-A521-39E9EC620657 at edisonlake.com>
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> Yeah... I don't know what I was thinking.
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Wes Rose wrote:
>
>> Yeah Bill ~ I mean, what is your problem???? All of those CAPITAL
>> letters and all. Seriously,
>> what right do you have to defend the character of a man that you've only
>> known for 15 years? I
>> mean, come on, how can you compare your 15-year relationship with Junaid
>> Dawud's assessment
>> based on "a couple of interactions"? What a jerk! Why not just admit
>> that the VVR Resort owner
>> is, in fact, "shady" and steals stuff from the hiker box? Just because
>> your long time friend gets publicly
>> slandered is no reason write some angry rant on the PCT-L. Thank you,
>> and have a nice day.
>>
>> [pct-l] VVR
>> Jim Keener ( J J ) pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com
>> Thu Mar 11 20:33:11 CST 2010
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>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> You rant about a rumor and confirm the rumor.
>>
>> People might think what you do is all right. Others not.
>>
>> So far I don't see an error in what Junaid wrote. For me, Junaid remains
>> a trusted contributor to this list. Perhaps if you used more capital
>> letters it would be clearer.
>>
>> Jim Keener ( J J )
>> _________________
>>
>> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
>>
>> http://postholer.com/jj
>> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
>> http://olderhealthier.com
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:48:32 -0800
> From: Eugene <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Bill,
>
>
>
> I'm more than happy to leave my resupply package with you. Actually, I'm
> very grateful that you offer this service. My early season trip would be
> much more difficult without services like yours. If I don't make it
> within 30 days of the date I say, I probably won't make it at all, and
> you'll be more than welcome to do whatever you will with the
> contents....although I will probably repackage everything.
>
>
>
> Eugene
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:48:41 -0700
> From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <DBF4060B-9BEF-4315-91BC-8FFD2AB38F9F at edisonlake.com>
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> Absolutely. VVR can arrange transportation for you between Fresno and
> VVR. Just call the resort at 559-259-4000 a couple of weeks before you
> need the transportation and set it up. The charge is $175 for the first 2
> people, $25 each additional. I think the most they can transport is 4
> hikers right now. And the trip from Fresno to VVR is about 3 hours; the
> last hour is the 15 mile access road to VVR... so plan accordingly!
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:19 PM, giniajim wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to get to/from VVR via public transportation?
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:49:03 -0800
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] VVR
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> I still don't get it. Someone had a bad experience. So what?
>
> 10 days AND 200 miles out of Kennedy Meadows, why wouldn't you go to VVR?
>
> VVR is awesome!
>
> -postholer
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:55:30 -0700
> From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR
> To: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <6DBA0E5C-BC63-4DE3-85C2-19173315D58E at edisonlake.com>
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> Postholer - quite honestly, I'd prefer that the folks who think that VVR
> is shady just believe what they want and stay away. That way, we can deal
> with the VAST majority of hikers who are happy to be wherever they are on
> the trail.
>
> My intent was just to stop the disparaging remarks about my friend. I
> guess most folks think I'm an employee of VVR; I'm not. I just do the
> website for Jim because he's a buddy. And, I love VVR... just can't be
> there too often.
>
> And yeah... why wouldn't you go to VVR? Heck, just listening to Lester
> around the campfire is worth the price of admission!
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Postholer wrote:
>
>> I still don't get it. Someone had a bad experience. So what?
>>
>> 10 days AND 200 miles out of Kennedy Meadows, why wouldn't you go to VVR?
>>
>> VVR is awesome!
>>
>> -postholer
>>
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