[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 30, Issue 60
Rabender Mathoda
rsmathoda at gmail.com
Mon Jun 21 11:25:46 CDT 2010
hi all,
i am new to trekking in the us but have done plenty elsewhere. i am in san
jose and wish to see the stars on the pct for 1 month this year starting the
6th or 7th of july. would prefer to join someone walking as no amount of
written words can teach me the ropes quicker than practical advice from some
fellow traveler. will reciprocate with help/ advice as i have walked a lot
in himachal preadesh, india, and also from india to tibet and back. regards.
benny mathoda
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> 1. Pinball, Smudge, Sheepdog and Sandals jumped to Washington...
> (Bill Langton)
> 2. support in southern oregon (carol bruno)
> 3. Re: Crazy Abby and the dreamers (Reinhold Metzger)
> 4. How to carry... (Bastian Schlagowsky)
> 5. Re: support in southern oregon (Bob Bankhead)
> 6. How to carry... (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
> 7. Re: How to carry... (Gary Wright)
> 8. Re: Sorta OT - Reaction to Abby Sunderland's Rescue (David)
> 9. FW: Bus from Seattle to Snoqualmie Pass? (Roger Carpenter)
> 10. Dangerous fords (Mary Kwart)
> 11. Dangerous fords (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:10:06 -0700
> From: Bill Langton <blangton at blangton.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Pinball, Smudge, Sheepdog and Sandals jumped to
> Washington...
> To: Pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Pinball, Smudge, Sheepdog and Sandals reached Kennedy Meadows last Monday
> and decided to jump ahead to avoid the conditions in the Sierra. We
> repositioned them to just north of Trout Lake, Washington. They picked up
> the trail at the crossing with Forest Service Road 23 (mile 2238) and headed
> south. We left resupply boxes in Cascade Locks. Although it was raining
> (what else is new) the trail was in good shape and they made 11 miles the
> first afternoon, camping at Mosquito Lake. I will update trail conditions
> as I get them...
>
> Bill
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: carol bruno <carolwbruno at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] support in southern oregon
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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> Any news on conditions north of Timberline (section G)? can'tquit
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:14:40 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Crazy Abby and the dreamers
> To: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4C1C9890.4010708 at cox.net>
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> Yoshihiro,
> Thank you for your kind words.
> You are a gentleman and a scholar.
> I hope we meet on the trail someday.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> ---------------
> Carl,
> I lost count.
> Yes, I'm a snake...I'm worth then a snake....I'm a sinner....but, I
> HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!
>
> JMT Reinhold
> ---------------
>
> Yoshihiro Murakami wrote:
> > I think he may be fatigued and he have just become a sane person for
> > a moment. I had joined this mailing list only for 8 months. I would
> > like to know more about crazy persons, since I am a very normal
> > personality ( I think ). Mr. Reinhold' opinions are well-balanced,
> > sane one, despite he give me the insane expressions. I had filed his
> > opinions for future. I am living 9000 Km apart from PCT, in the
> > different culture, and in the different tradition. Please do not
> > deprive of my enjoyments.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carl Siechert wrote:
> >
> >> Has anybody ever attempted to count the number of times that JMT
> Reinhold
> >> has promised this would be his last message and that he's leaving the
> list?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Reinhold Metzger
> >> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Well, so long now, you may not hear from me again in a long time,or
> >>> perhaps never again, for I will now again retreat into my fantasy dream
> >>> world to reunite with my crazy friends....here we understand each
> other.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:44:07 +0200
> From: "Bastian Schlagowsky" <Bastian.Schlagowsky at web.de>
> Subject: [pct-l] How to carry...
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> Hi,
>
> we are preparing for some smaller hikes in Yosemite and I am wondering what
> is the best way to carry a bear vault canister.
>
> In 2007 I had the Ursack and carried that inside my backpack but the bear
> vault seems to be a bit to bulky for that?!
>
> I also want to carry a DSLR-Camera and don't want to carry that one inside
> my pack - any suggestions how to carry that one?
>
> Free Refill
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:50:28 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] support in southern oregon
> To: "carol bruno" <carolwbruno at yahoo.com>,
> <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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> follow "The Snow Depth Thread 2010" on the Trip Reports section of the
> Portland Hikers Forum at
> http://www.portlandhikers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4143
>
> Other news of Mt Hood area conditions can be found in several threads in
> the Portland Hikers General Forum,
> http://www.portlandhikers.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=7
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:53:44 -0700
> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] How to carry...
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I normally use a larger backpack when I carry a hardshell bear canister
> then I would normally need otherwise. Other then the smaller UL packs, most
> packs have no trouble fitting a bear cannister in vertically. Just stuff
> your gear around the cannister to fill in the gaps; don't use individual
> sacks for your gear or sleeping bag so you can stuff it in odd shapes to
> fill in all the space. Some of the larger packs can fit one horizontally
> like a ULA Catalyst. If your pack is too small to get the bear vault in
> vertically (and you don't want to use another pack), you have no choice but
> to carry it on the outside. The top is the easiest place to put it, but it
> makes the pack unstable since its top heavy. No matter how you carry it on
> the outside of a small pack, it will compromise some aspect on how your pack
> carries. Try it out before hand to see if you can tolerate it.
>
> -Miner
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.pct2009.lifesadventures.net/Journal.php
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:04:26 -0400
> From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] How to carry...
> To: PCT-L Forum <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> On Jun 20, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Sean 'Miner' Nordeen wrote:
> > Just stuff your gear around the cannister to fill in the gaps; don't use
> individual sacks for your gear or sleeping bag so you can stuff it in odd
> shapes to fill in all the space.
>
> I found that if I use an oversized sack for my clothes and food that I'm
> still able to keep things organized but am also able to mash things around
> enough to fill in the gaps as you described.
>
> For my sleeping bag, I just put it at the bottom of the large trash
> compactor bag I use to line my back anyway.
>
> Radar
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:32:41 -0600
> From: David <david135 at pc3i.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sorta OT - Reaction to Abby Sunderland's Rescue
> To: Ken Murray <kmurray at pol.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi Ken Murray,
>
> Since are a self proclaimed expert, maybe you can tell us a little bit
> about your circumnavigations. Failed or successful. If you've ever
> actually taken a shot at it, you'll have my respect. Otherwise, not so
> much.
>
> You seem to me, sir, a prime example of the cowardice which is
> flagrantly visible in 99.9... % or our population. Are you one of the
> ankle biting little people too cowardly to make your own dream reality?
>
> To me at least, she represents the epitome of human courage and will to
> achieve profound things. I'm sorry if you don't understand what drives
> real achievers. Your loss.
>
> regards,
> david, who is more than a little awed at her spunk.
>
> Ken Murray wrote:
> > I respectfully disagree with the concept of this girl doing this journey.
> >
> > I speak as a professional sailing instructor, who sails out of the same
> marina as Abby, and has met the Sunderland family. I supervise 4 kids
> sailing programs.
> >
> > Yes, Abby has been sailing since age 3. However, sailing in the mild
> climate of Marina del Rey does not prepare one for the rigors of the
> Southern Ocean, even with *A* trip to the Point Conception area to expose
> her to (mild in comparison) "severe" conditions.
> >
> > Abby crossed the Southern Ocean about two months later than she should
> have. Her boat was not ready (BTW, the value was about $450,000, plus
> upgrades)
> > http://performance.boatshed.com/open_40_-boat-106633.html
> >
> > Crossing this late is like starting a thru-hike of the northbound PCT in
> October. Can it be done, probably. Should a 16 y/o, who has never hiked
> the trail do so.....no.
> > Why would she not wait for 9 months to start, in the best weather
> possible. Answer: THE RECORD. This was about the record! Record Chasing
> in dangerous activities MUST eventually result in tragedy, and when it
> involves children, who are lacking in the experiences in life that result in
> JUDGEMENT, they will choose to do things they oughtn't, because they can't
> conceive that something can go wrong. Uhhh---it can. Nature has a way of
> rewarding hubris with expensive lessons.
> >
> > There are thousands of teens in sailing programs across the US. You
> might want to consider the fact that of all those, the only two in the US
> who have attempted this in the last two years are siblings.
> > But don't worry, they have 6 younger siblings, so you haven't heard the
> last of them.
> >
> > As to whether she was adequately prepared, (I followed her blog every
> day), this really seemed to be a case of trying to compensate for lack of
> experience with electronics (and how often do we see that on the PCT with
> GPS's????), and electronic backups of electronic backups. Not once did she
> write about using traditional methods of ocean navigation. She seemed to
> have no joy in the environment, but rather the joy of conquest over the
> environment. I don't like to see that in mountaineers, I don't like to see
> it in sailors. It seems disrespectful and arrogant. However, it is TOTALLY
> NORMAL for a 16 y/o. I can see people talking to her about the danger, and
> her response: whatever......
> >
> > I've met a lot of phenomenal youth sailors, including world champions. I
> would NOT have any of them do this, and Abby in not in their class. I've
> never understood the argument that because you CAN do something, you SHOULD
> do it.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:35:20 -0700
> From: "Roger Carpenter" <rogercarpenter at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] FW: Bus from Seattle to Snoqualmie Pass?
> To: "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Shuttle Express, http://www.shuttleexpress.com/, is an expensive ($127
> each
> way) option but requires no hitchhiking or talking the driver into stopping
> at an unscheduled stop. They take reservations on their web site.
>
> In doing research for my own hike this summer I have not found scheduled
> bus
> service that stops at the pass, although the BusUp90 service will begin
> running this summer again on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. The problem with
> this service is that it picks passengers up from Iron Horse State about 5
> miles from the far-eastern suburban town of North Bend. The is are
> combinations of buses that can take you to North Bend, but you would still
> need to walk or hitch to the park. It's too bad Greyhound stopped serving
> Snoqualmie Pass. Hopefully you can find a ride from a generous person and
> save paying for the Shuttle Express.
>
> Roger carpenter
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-
> > bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Dave Canty
> > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:34 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Bus from Seattle to Snoqualmie Pass?
> >
> > We're planning to hike Snoqualmie Pass to Steven's Pass late July. I'm
> > sure
> > this has been asked many times, but is there any bus service from
> > Seattle
> > (ideally at or near Seatac airport) to Snoqualmie pass area?
> >
> > Thanks -- Hiker Doc
> >
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:36:41 -0700
> From: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Dangerous fords
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> After reading the post about the guy who lost his pack in Tyndall
> Creek--are there any known dangerous fords between Kennedy Meadows and the
> turnoff to Mt. Whitney? I will be doing that section at the end of July.
> Thanks.
>
> --Fireweed
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:24:33 -0700
> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Dangerous fords
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Fireweed,
>
> >From reading the account, the guy lost his pack because he tried to throw
> it across the creek while trying to keep his feet dry by rock/log hopping.
> The pack fell back into the creek when it landed. It wasn't because the
> ford was dangerous. The others with him who just waded across the creek
> getting their feet wet, had no troubles.
>
> And I don't remember any fords that I got my feet wet on before Crabtree
> Meadows. There was a creek crossing at Crabtree Meadows itself, but it
> wasn't dangerous except the logs I was using had ice on them in the early
> morning. Usually, by the end of July even the big fords on the JMT/PCT have
> calmed down and aren't a big deal.
>
> -Miner
>
>
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