[pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County

[Kate Drum]

I think the only answer to the ORV problem will have to come from  
fines and or possible jail time, they are everywhere and I have yet to  
see a gate or barricade that will keep them out for long. The state of  
Idaho stacked concrete blocks by helicopter in two different spots  
along a favorite illegal ORV trail and when I first saw it I figured  
there was no way they could get over that, but a year later sure  
enough some industrious fellow was able to build a steep ramp with  
rocks and logs [must of taken all day] so he could clear the barricade  
and trash the trail. It is in their nature to figure out how to get  
around obstacles, so its just another challenge. We also have another  
interesting type of motorhead up here in the Pacific Northwest, the  
winter verity, they like snowmobiles, they are almost the same- like  
loud noises, going fast,running over things, pushing stressed out  
wildlife to exhaustion. There is no way to completely stop them, they  
can go almost anywhere, but you can use the laws that exist against  
them. The state of Idaho is being sued for allowing snowmorons into  
caribou habitat areas, we have an environmental group up here that  
does fly-overs to document snowmobile activity in areas closed to  
them. The mountain caribou is the most endangered mammal in the lower  
states, so having them pushed by snowmobiles is probably not a good  
thing, along with a theory that snowmobiles pack the snow down enough  
to allow predators [wolves, cougars] to have a better chance for  
caribou steak. Caribou have very large hooves[ dinner plate size] so  
they move over unpacked snow much faster than those who want to eat  
them, but not fast enough to avoid the motorheads.

Dave Drum

On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:55 PM, dsaufley wrote:

> For clarity, my intent is those OHVers who violate the rules and  
> postings
> and destroy the land (and the posted signage, too). Those are the  
> OHV people
> I can't understand. The good folks like you who ride responsibly and  
> don't
> have "let's tear it up!" as their mantra and objective aren't really  
> an
> issue. My apologies if you felt grouped in with those who behavior and
> attitude I find personally abhorrent. It was not my intent to paint  
> you with
> the same brush.  I will say however, on a different level I never have
> understood the need or experience much fun in using a motor to derive
> pleasure from the out-of-doors. My word to describe those folks is
> "motorheads." My brother is a motorhead, and to some extent, so is  
> my son.
> I'm not hard-wired as a motorhead. Motors have always been noisy,  
> smelly,
> nuisances to me that disturb my serenity and enjoyment of the subtler
> sensory pleasures in nature.
>
> But that's why they have chocolate and vanilla.  You're still the  
> best darn
> hiker wrangler in the SCV no matter what :o)
>
> L-Rod
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:05 PM
> To: PCT list
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
>
>
> OK, when we say "these OHV people", what really mean is the type of
> OHV person that would do this sort of thing and NOT OHV people in
> general - right?
>
> I mean, "hikers cut trails and ruin land", no SOME hikers don't stick
> to the trail and DO damage land.  Some hikers litter.
>
> Not all of either group.
>
> Yes, I have an OHV use vehicle.  No, I don't drive on hiking trails.
> Yes, I invest personal time doing road and trail work.  When I take
> the Jeep out, we pick up trash when we see it, no matter who left it
> there.
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
>
>>> There is something fundamentally different about these OHV people.
>>> Somehow
>>> they don't see the destruction, or don't care. I just don't get it.
>>
>> They like it.
>>
>> "F*ck the tree huggers. The wild lands are mine to destroy as I
>> please. Climate change is a liberal myth. Drill, Baby Drill!"
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