[pct-l] Snipe, okay, but catching them with a bag or pillow case - Really, dad?

Sat Feb 27 11:42:01 CST 2010

Okay, I have to admit;  My Dad had me snipe hunting for years in our back yard with a flashlight and pillow case...  Although Snipes do exist, you won't catch them, despite your Granpa and Dad swearing by it, with a bag or pillow case and a flashlight.
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Snipes

Common Snipe (Gallinago gallinago)

Scientific classification

Genera

A snipe is any of nearly 20 wading bird species in three genera in the family Scolopacidae. They are characterized by a very long, slender bill and cryptic plumage. The Gallinago snipes have a nearly worldwide distribution, the Lymnocryptes Jack Snipe is restricted to Asia and Europe and the Coenocorypha snipes are found only in Southeastern United States. The three species of painted snipe are not closely related to the typical snipes, and are placed in their own family, the Rostratulidae.

> From: jomike at cot.net
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:29:21 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 145
> 
> Know such thing as a snipe - totally fictional. I think it got started (who 
> knows when) as a gag for city type folks. It involves holding a paper bag 
> and having a flash light (yes, it takes place at night) to light the way for 
> a snipe to be caught. It varies as to how long it takes for the fellow or 
> gal to realize they've been "had". I have heard stories of someone waiting 
> 30 plus minutes waiting for the snipe to come into their bag. It's a fun 
> practical joke on anyone, like your self :) who isn't aware of the joke.
> 
> are we there yet
> 
> 
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> > 1. Re: ethical down sleeping bag (Jim Keener ( J J ))
> > 2. 2011 posible hike gear thoughts (Ray)
> > 3. Re: Snipes (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> > 4. Re: Snipes (giniajim)
> > 5. Re: Snipes (Jim & Jane Moody)
> > 6. Re: 2011 posible hike gear thoughts (Scott Bryce)
> > 7. Re: Snipes (CHUCK CHELIN)
> > 8. Re: Snipes (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> > 9. Re: Snipes (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> > 10. Re: ethical down sleeping bag (Dan Africk)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:13:26 -0800
> > From: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] ethical down sleeping bag
> > To: Dan Africk <danstheman at gmail.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <65DCDF7E-6F41-4FD6-BC3F-F09D429B116E at ridgetrailhiker.com>
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> > That's over the top, Dan. You don't usually do that.
> >
> > Jim Keener ( J J )
> > _________________
> >
> > jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
> >
> > http://trailjournals.com/jj2010/
> > http://ridgetrailhiker.com
> > http://olderhealthier.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
> >
> >> I know they're a great way to distract
> >> yourself from this unpleasant topic that threatens to make you
> >> question your beliefs, but they're also belittling to the seriousness
> >> of people's ethical concerns.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:16:09 -0800
> > From: "Ray" <ray7555253 at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] 2011 posible hike gear thoughts
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <COL119-DS121235BEA194214A797223933E0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Thanks for responses so far. I will be hiking solo so I have a lot of
> > planning to do. I have a lot of gear I already use in northern Idaho,
> > please give any thoughts on gear I am thinking about using. Either a
> > jetboil or a homemade alcohol stove the size of a hockey puck ( I used it 
> > in
> > December camping in craters of moon national park, worked o.k. in 
> > afternoon
> > at 30 +/- degree F but morning was a pain to light since it was around 10
> > +/- degree F) . A snowshoe 0 degree bag all the way since it should cover
> > whatever Mother Nature hits me with. Tent is still up in the air, but 
> > like
> > sleeping bag gonna plan for the worst. Gonna just start out with bear
> > canister since it is water and rodent proof also. Two 2L platypus water
> > bags, one 90 oz camelback, one nalgeen btl for tea/mixed drinks, will keep
> > all full in desert but less in Oregon and Washington based on river and
> > stream Qty. A Sweetwater filter with extra sterilize drops. Deuter
> > ACT-Lite 65+10 pack. Thermarest Prolite sleeping pad. Not sure if I am
> > going to mail food or shop along way, luckily I am not picky and will eat
> > anything. Clothing currently planned will be: REI 100% polyester long
> > underwear & top, wool socks, REI fleece jacket, Northface rain jacket, 
> > wool
> > cap, light waterproof hunting gloves, Avalanche snow pants (light, very 
> > warn
> > and waterproof), cargo pants, long sleeve wool shirt, currently testing 2
> > pairs of HiTec Outlander low top boots to see how they hold up this 
> > summer.
> > I look forward to any comments anyone would care to give. Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:47:58 -0800
> > From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <4DCFF7F0-2328-4217-B5B1-426976C6B338 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >
> > Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
> > bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
> > all that snipe nonsense come from?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:14:32 -0500
> > From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> > To: "Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com"
> > <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <24988B2993B0486FA9AA495A586187D6 at HomePC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > You are an innocent aren't you. I, Jim, will take you on a snipe hunt!!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> >
> >
> > Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
> > bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
> > all that snipe nonsense come from?
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:18:03 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> > To: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> >
> >
> > wikipedia.org/wiki/ Snipe
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> >
> > Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been ?
> > bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did ?
> > all that snipe nonsense come from?
> >
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:33:08 -0700
> > From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2011 posible hike gear thoughts
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> >
> > Ray wrote:
> >> please give any thoughts on gear I am thinking about using.
> >
> > Overall, I think you are over planning.
> >
> >> Either a jetboil or a homemade alcohol stove the size of a hockey
> >> puck
> >
> > Either could work, but keep in mind that you will carry this stove a lot
> > more than you will use it. Which would you rather carry?
> >
> >> ( I used it in December camping in craters of moon national park,
> >> worked o.k. in afternoon at 30 +/- degree F but morning was a pain
> >> to light since it was around 10 +/- degree F).
> >
> > You will not be cooking at 10 F on the PCT.
> >
> >> A snowshoe 0 degree bag all the way since it should cover whatever
> >> Mother Nature hits me with.
> >
> > That is warmer and probably heavier than you really need. I think most
> > people carry a 20 F bag. With a 20 F bag you will sleep cold a few
> > times, but overall it will serve you well.
> >
> >> Tent is still up in the air, but like sleeping bag gonna plan for the
> >> worst.
> >
> > Plan for what you can reasonably expect. Otherwise you will be carrying
> > more tent than necessary. As with everything else in your pack, you will
> > be carrying your tent a lot more than you will be sleeping in it.
> >
> >> Gonna just start out with bear canister since it is water and rodent
> >> proof also.
> >
> > And is another 2 1/2 pounds of unnecessary weight.
> >
> >> Two 2L platypus water bags, one 90 oz camelback, one nalgeen btl for
> >> tea/mixed drinks,
> >
> > That capacity may be a little on the high side, but there may be
> > stretches where you will be glad you have it.
> >
> >> will keep all full in desert
> >
> > That is not necessary. Some water sources in the desert are fairly close
> > together. There are times when you will want to carry your full capacity
> > of water, but there will also be times when it is just not necessary.
> >
> >> but less in Oregon and Washington
> >
> > There are long waterless stretches in Oregon too.
> >
> >> based on river and stream Qty.
> >
> > That is what should determine how much water you carry all along.
> >
> >> A Sweetwater filter with extra sterilize drops.
> >
> > Whether to filter is a personal choice. Having a backup is a good idea.
> >
> >> Clothing currently planned will be: REI 100% polyester long underwear
> >> & top,
> >
> > Good idea. It can get cold at night.
> >
> >> wool socks,
> >
> > You may quickly wish you were wearing lighter socks. Your feet will be
> > hot in southern CA.
> >
> >> wool cap,
> >
> > Good idea.
> >
> >> Avalanche snow pants (light, very warn and waterproof),
> >
> > You will probably never wear them.
> >
> >> cargo pants,
> >
> > I loved having lots of pockets.
> >
> >> long sleeve wool shirt,
> >
> > You won't wear it. In southern CA, you will want to wear something that
> > keeps the sun off of your skin and breathes well. If you get cold, you
> > have enough layers without the wool shirt.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:43:00 -0800
> > From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> > To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> > Cc: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <db9154d1002261843v38b16e9cq1820a13da59a0d4d at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Good morning, Diane,
> >
> >
> > A ?snipe hunt? is a prototypical fool?s errand. Gullible people ? usually
> > kids on camping trips or at summer camp ? are influenced to engage in a
> > ?hunt? with promises that if they do a certain list of semi-plausible
> > things, at night, alone, in the woods or the field, many snipe will come
> > flying into their sack. The stories and rituals vary greatly, but the
> > typical result is the ?hunter? sits in the cold and damp, being eaten by
> > mosquitoes sufficient time for them to ponder the improbability of their
> > silly position, at which time they return to camp having learned a 
> > valuable
> > lesson. Participation is often a rite-of-passage.
> >
> >
> > Some participants who smell a rat, or have advance knowledge of the 
> > process,
> > have been known to use the resulting cover of darkness to covertly scare
> > dickens out of other participants and/or instigators in some devious way 
> > or
> > another, but I?ll deny having done so.
> >
> >
> >
> > Enjoy your planning,
> >
> >
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
> > Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Jim & Jane Moody 
> > <moodyjj at comcast.net>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> wikipedia.org/wiki/ Snipe
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com" 
> >> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> >>
> >> Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
> >> bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
> >> all that snipe nonsense come from?
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:43:21 -0800
> > From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> > To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <D558B46F-665C-4BBC-BA08-25565F91B3D8 at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> >
> > I'm not that innocent. I know it's a game to fool people. I just
> > don't know where the scam came from and especially why it's so funny.
> > On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:14 PM, giniajim wrote:
> >
> >> You are an innocent aren't you. I, Jim, will take you on a snipe
> >> hunt!!
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> >>
> >> Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
> >> bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
> >> all that snipe nonsense come from?
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Pct-l mailing list
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:13:51 -0800
> > From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> > To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> > Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <6AEF5FB3-021F-4F6E-BDBB-63B2B56BA115 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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> > format=flowed
> >
> > Oh, ok. I get it now. I never went to summer camp. My best friend
> > when I was a teen spent some time as a camp counselor. Now I know why
> > she had that look in her eye when she was talking about snipe hunts.
> > Never having any summer camp experience, I didn't know what she was
> > talking about or why it seemed so interesting and funny to her. Like
> > some kind of inside secret. I never went along with any of it. I was
> > too suspicious. But I still felt left out not know what it was.
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:43 PM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
> >
> >> Good morning, Diane,
> >>
> >> A ?snipe hunt? is a prototypical fool?s errand. Gullible people ?
> >> usually kids on camping trips or at summer camp ? are influenced to
> >> engage in a ?hunt? with promises that if they do a certain list of
> >> semi-plausible things, at night, alone, in the woods or the field,
> >> many snipe will come flying into their sack. The stories and
> >> rituals vary greatly, but the typical result is the ?hunter? sits
> >> in the cold and damp, being eaten by mosquitoes sufficient time for
> >> them to ponder the improbability of their silly position, at which
> >> time they return to camp having learned a valuable lesson.
> >> Participation is often a rite-of-passage.
> >>
> >> Some participants who smell a rat, or have advance knowledge of the
> >> process, have been known to use the resulting cover of darkness to
> >> covertly scare dickens out of other participants and/or instigators
> >> in some devious way or another, but I?ll deny having done so.
> >>
> >> Enjoy your planning,
> >>
> >> Steel-Eye
> >> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:41:32 -0500
> > From: Dan Africk <danstheman at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] ethical down sleeping bag
> > To: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>,
> > pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> > <1b15d4fc1002261941w5c697099h937dfc82fee3acd0 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > I see your point and its a good one, its best to keep politics and our
> > personal beliefs off this list. While I consider myself long-past my
> > "vegangelical" phase(we all go through it), I'm still a very
> > opinionated person(some would say obstinate...), and so I sympathize
> > with others who also want to share their opinions. I've learned that
> > you accomplish nothing by forcing your beliefs on others, but please
> > understand that people like me sometimes feel like we're surrounded by
> > a holocaust(and as a jew I take that term very seriously) and that we
> > should fight to stop it(the current treatment of animals) with every
> > fiber of our being, so it takes an immense amount of self control to
> > not share those opinions. I personally think that if human
> > civilization survives for a few more centuries, veganism will become
> > almost universal and mistreatment of animals will go the way of
> > slavery....ahh there I go again. I'm going to walk away from my
> > soapbox for now...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Jim Keener ( J J )
> > <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
> >> Hey Dan,
> >> Thanks for getting back. I was surprised at Patti's comment. It seemed
> >> pretty inflammatory, at least part of it. "So u know I don't judge if 
> >> people
> >> want to use the down that's their bizness...I just don't participate in 
> >> the
> >> hate crimes." Seems self righteous and extreme. I think the response was 
> >> for
> >> "hate crimes", not her politics or position. I think most people don't 
> >> care
> >> about those, but rather than attack her comment, they razzed her. Sorry, 
> >> but
> >> I think she set herself up for it. Again, not for her position, but her
> >> rhetoric - to people who like her. And I don't think the responders felt
> >> their beliefs threatened as much as being labeled. But more, I think it's
> >> the self-policing of an online group: go to an extreme, get a reaction.
> >> Someone new to the list might think all we do is fight. But I've noticed
> >> that that is much less the case now than four years ago. Of course this 
> >> long
> >> winter isn't over.
> >> Walk well,
> >> Jim Keener ( J J )
> >> _________________
> >> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
> >> http://trailjournals.com/jj2010/
> >> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
> >> http://olderhealthier.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm assuming you're referring to my last comment. I don't know, I
> >> think it was kind of borderline. Perhaps it it would have been better
> >> to leave that out, but it just kind of bugged me that people seemed to
> >> be dismissing the original poster's concerns with jokes. The jokes
> >> themselves don't bother me, I don't give a crap about political
> >> correctness, but like I said it just seemed disrespectful to me. I
> >> Hope I didn't offend anyone too much.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Jim Keener ( J J )
> >> <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's over the top, Dan. You don't usually do that.
> >>
> >> Jim Keener ( J J )
> >>
> >> _________________
> >>
> >> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
> >>
> >> http://trailjournals.com/jj2010/
> >>
> >> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
> >>
> >> http://olderhealthier.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
> >>
> >> I know they're a great way to distract
> >>
> >> yourself from this unpleasant topic that threatens to make you
> >>
> >> question your beliefs, but they're also belittling to the seriousness
> >>
> >> of people's ethical concerns.
> >>
> >
> >
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