[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 145

[jomike at cot.net]

Know such thing as a snipe - totally fictional. I think it got started (who 
knows when) as a gag for city type folks. It involves holding a paper bag 
and having a flash light (yes, it takes place at night) to light the way for 
a snipe to be caught. It varies as to how long it takes for the fellow or 
gal to realize they've been "had". I have heard stories of someone waiting 
30 plus minutes waiting for the snipe to come into their bag. It's a fun 
practical joke on anyone, like your self  :) who isn't aware of the joke.

are we there yet


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>   1. Re: ethical down sleeping bag (Jim Keener ( J J ))
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>   4. Re: Snipes (giniajim)
>   5. Re: Snipes (Jim & Jane Moody)
>   6. Re: 2011 posible hike gear thoughts (Scott Bryce)
>   7. Re: Snipes (CHUCK CHELIN)
>   8. Re: Snipes (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
>   9. Re: Snipes (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
>  10. Re: ethical down sleeping bag (Dan Africk)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:13:26 -0800
> From: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ethical down sleeping bag
> To: Dan Africk <danstheman at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> That's over the top, Dan. You don't usually do that.
>
> Jim Keener ( J J )
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>
> On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
>
>> I know they're a great way to distract
>> yourself from this unpleasant topic that threatens to make you
>> question your beliefs, but they're also belittling to the seriousness
>> of people's ethical concerns.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:16:09 -0800
> From: "Ray" <ray7555253 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] 2011 posible hike gear thoughts
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Thanks for responses so far. I will be hiking solo so I have a lot of
> planning to do.  I have a lot of gear I already use in northern Idaho,
> please give any thoughts on gear I am thinking about using.  Either a
> jetboil or a homemade alcohol stove the size of a hockey puck ( I used it 
> in
> December camping in craters of moon national park, worked o.k.  in 
> afternoon
> at 30 +/- degree F but morning was a pain to light since it was around 10
> +/- degree F) .  A snowshoe 0 degree bag all the way since it should cover
> whatever Mother Nature hits me with.  Tent is still up in the air, but 
> like
> sleeping bag gonna plan for the worst.  Gonna just start out with bear
> canister since it is water and rodent proof also.  Two 2L platypus water
> bags, one 90 oz camelback, one nalgeen btl for tea/mixed drinks, will keep
> all full in desert but less in Oregon and Washington based on river and
> stream Qty.  A Sweetwater filter with extra sterilize drops.  Deuter
> ACT-Lite 65+10 pack.  Thermarest Prolite sleeping pad.  Not sure if I am
> going to mail food or shop along way, luckily I am not picky and will eat
> anything. Clothing currently planned will be: REI 100% polyester long
> underwear & top, wool socks, REI fleece jacket, Northface rain jacket, 
> wool
> cap, light waterproof hunting gloves, Avalanche snow pants (light, very 
> warn
> and waterproof), cargo pants, long sleeve wool shirt, currently testing 2
> pairs of HiTec Outlander low top boots to see how they hold up this 
> summer.
> I look forward to any comments anyone would care to give.  Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:47:58 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
> bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
> all that snipe nonsense come from?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:14:32 -0500
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> To: "Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com"
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> You are an innocent aren't you.  I, Jim, will take you on a snipe hunt!!
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>  To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>  Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47 PM
>  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
>
>
>  Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
>  bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
>  all that snipe nonsense come from?
>
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> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:18:03 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> To: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
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> wikipedia.org/wiki/ Snipe
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
>
> Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been ?
> bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did ?
> all that snipe nonsense come from?
>
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> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:33:08 -0700
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2011 posible hike gear thoughts
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> Ray wrote:
>> please give any thoughts on gear I am thinking about using.
>
> Overall, I think you are over planning.
>
>> Either a jetboil or a homemade alcohol stove the size of a hockey
>> puck
>
> Either could work, but keep in mind that you will carry this stove a lot
> more than you will use it. Which would you rather carry?
>
>> ( I used it in December camping in craters of moon national park,
>> worked o.k.  in afternoon at 30 +/- degree F but morning was a pain
>> to light since it was around 10 +/- degree F).
>
> You will not be cooking at 10 F on the PCT.
>
>> A snowshoe 0 degree bag all the way since it should cover whatever
>> Mother Nature hits me with.
>
> That is warmer and probably heavier than you really need. I think most
> people carry a 20 F bag. With a 20 F bag you will sleep cold a few
> times, but overall it will serve you well.
>
>> Tent is still up in the air, but like sleeping bag gonna plan for the
>> worst.
>
> Plan for what you can reasonably expect. Otherwise you will be carrying
> more tent than necessary. As with everything else in your pack, you will
> be carrying your tent a lot more than you will be sleeping in it.
>
>> Gonna just start out with bear canister since it is water and rodent
>> proof also.
>
> And is another 2 1/2 pounds of unnecessary weight.
>
>> Two 2L platypus water bags, one 90 oz camelback, one nalgeen btl for
>> tea/mixed drinks,
>
> That capacity may be a little on the high side, but there may be
> stretches where you will be glad you have it.
>
>> will keep all full in desert
>
> That is not necessary. Some water sources in the desert are fairly close
> together. There are times when you will want to carry your full capacity
> of water, but there will also be times when it is just not necessary.
>
>> but less in Oregon and Washington
>
> There are long waterless stretches in Oregon too.
>
>> based on river and stream Qty.
>
> That is what should determine how much water you carry all along.
>
>> A Sweetwater filter with extra sterilize drops.
>
> Whether to filter is a personal choice. Having a backup is a good idea.
>
>> Clothing currently planned will be: REI 100% polyester long underwear
>> & top,
>
> Good idea. It can get cold at night.
>
>> wool socks,
>
> You may quickly wish you were wearing lighter socks. Your feet will be
> hot in southern CA.
>
>> wool cap,
>
> Good idea.
>
>> Avalanche snow pants (light, very warn and waterproof),
>
> You will probably never wear them.
>
>> cargo pants,
>
> I loved having lots of pockets.
>
>> long sleeve wool shirt,
>
> You won't wear it. In southern CA, you will want to wear something that
> keeps the sun off of your skin and breathes well. If you get cold, you
> have enough layers without the wool shirt.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:43:00 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> To: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>
> Cc: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning, Diane,
>
>
> A ?snipe hunt? is a prototypical fool?s errand. Gullible people ? usually
> kids on camping trips or at summer camp ? are influenced to engage in a
> ?hunt? with promises that if they do a certain list of semi-plausible
> things, at night, alone, in the woods or the field, many snipe will come
> flying into their sack.  The stories and rituals vary greatly, but the
> typical result is the ?hunter? sits in the cold and damp, being eaten by
> mosquitoes sufficient time for them to ponder the improbability of their
> silly position, at which time they return to camp having learned a 
> valuable
> lesson.  Participation is often a rite-of-passage.
>
>
> Some participants who smell a rat, or have advance knowledge of the 
> process,
> have been known to use the resulting cover of darkness to covertly scare
> dickens out of other participants and/or instigators in some devious way 
> or
> another, but I?ll deny having done so.
>
>
>
> Enjoy your planning,
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Jim & Jane Moody 
> <moodyjj at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> wikipedia.org/wiki/ Snipe
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com" 
>> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
>>
>> Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
>> bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
>> all that snipe nonsense come from?
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:43:21 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> To: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I'm not that innocent. I know it's a game to fool people. I just
> don't know where the scam came from and especially why it's so funny.
> On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:14 PM, giniajim wrote:
>
>> You are an innocent aren't you.  I, Jim, will take you on a snipe
>> hunt!!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
>>
>> Okay, I will admit my complete and total ignorance. It has been
>> bugging me for about 30 years. What the heck is a snipe and where did
>> all that snipe nonsense come from?
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:13:51 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snipes
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Oh, ok. I get it now. I never went to summer camp. My best friend
> when I was a teen spent some time as a camp counselor. Now I know why
> she had that look in her eye when she was talking about snipe hunts.
> Never having any summer camp experience, I didn't know what she was
> talking about or why it seemed so interesting and funny to her. Like
> some kind of inside secret. I never went along with any of it. I was
> too suspicious. But I still felt left out not know what it was.
>
> Diane
>
> On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:43 PM, CHUCK CHELIN wrote:
>
>> Good morning, Diane,
>>
>> A ?snipe hunt? is a prototypical fool?s errand. Gullible people ?
>> usually kids on camping trips or at summer camp ? are influenced to
>> engage in a ?hunt? with promises that if they do a certain list of
>> semi-plausible things, at night, alone, in the woods or the field,
>> many snipe will come flying into their sack.  The stories and
>> rituals vary greatly, but the typical result is the ?hunter? sits
>> in the cold and damp, being eaten by mosquitoes sufficient time for
>> them to ponder the improbability of their silly position, at which
>> time they return to camp having learned a valuable lesson.
>> Participation is often a rite-of-passage.
>>
>> Some participants who smell a rat, or have advance knowledge of the
>> process, have been known to use the resulting cover of darkness to
>> covertly scare dickens out of other participants and/or instigators
>> in some devious way or another, but I?ll deny having done so.
>>
>> Enjoy your planning,
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:41:32 -0500
> From: Dan Africk <danstheman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ethical down sleeping bag
> To: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I see your point and its a good one, its best to keep politics and our
> personal beliefs off this list. While I consider myself long-past my
> "vegangelical" phase(we all go through it), I'm still a very
> opinionated person(some would say obstinate...), and so I sympathize
> with others who also want to share their opinions. I've learned that
> you accomplish nothing by forcing your beliefs on others, but please
> understand that people like me sometimes feel like we're surrounded by
> a holocaust(and as a jew I take that term very seriously) and that we
> should fight to stop it(the current treatment of animals) with every
> fiber of our being, so it takes an immense amount of self control to
> not share those opinions. I personally think that if human
> civilization survives for a few more centuries, veganism will become
> almost universal and mistreatment of animals will go the way of
> slavery....ahh there I go again. I'm going to walk away from my
> soapbox for now...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Jim Keener ( J J )
> <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
>> Hey Dan,
>> Thanks for getting back. I was surprised at Patti's comment. It seemed
>> pretty inflammatory, at least part of it. "So u know I don't judge if 
>> people
>> want to use the down that's their bizness...I just don't participate in 
>> the
>> hate crimes." Seems self righteous and extreme. I think the response was 
>> for
>> "hate crimes", not her politics or position. I think most people don't 
>> care
>> about those, but rather than attack her comment, they razzed her. Sorry, 
>> but
>> I think she set herself up for it. Again, not for her position, but her
>> rhetoric - to people who like her. And I don't think the responders felt
>> their beliefs threatened as much as being labeled. But more, I think it's
>> the self-policing of an online group: go to an extreme, get a reaction.
>> Someone new to the list might think all we do is fight. But I've noticed
>> that that is much less the case now than four years ago. Of course this 
>> long
>> winter isn't over.
>> Walk well,
>> Jim Keener ( J J )
>> _________________
>> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
>> http://trailjournals.com/jj2010/
>> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
>> http://olderhealthier.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
>>
>> I'm assuming you're referring to my last comment. I don't know, I
>> think it was kind of borderline. Perhaps it it would have been better
>> to leave that out, but it just kind of bugged me that people seemed to
>> be dismissing the original poster's concerns with jokes. The jokes
>> themselves don't bother me, I don't give a crap about political
>> correctness, but like I said it just seemed disrespectful to me. I
>> Hope I didn't offend anyone too much.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Jim Keener ( J J )
>> <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's over the top, Dan. You don't usually do that.
>>
>> Jim Keener ( J J )
>>
>> _________________
>>
>> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
>>
>> http://trailjournals.com/jj2010/
>>
>> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
>>
>> http://olderhealthier.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
>>
>> I know they're a great way to distract
>>
>> yourself from this unpleasant topic that threatens to make you
>>
>> question your beliefs, but they're also belittling to the seriousness
>>
>> of people's ethical concerns.
>>
>
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