[pct-l] Just behave

[canoeman at qnet.com]

I'm afraid I respectfully have to disagree.
the more alternates that are proposed, the more options other then "GO AROUND
THE WHOLE SECTION D", will help nudge the nfs to actually doing somthing.
these are SUGGESTIONS.
I personally dont feel that the thru hikers are not smart enough to know that
these are closed routes right now.
But the way to get them to open these already existing trails, may be to get as
many people involved as concerned PCT  community members, to contact the PCT
and the NFS. 
But after these recent posts, I think will keep my opinions to myself.

canoeman

Quoting dsaufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>:

> The PCTA and USFS aren't on this list serve.  As we've emailed privately,
> your best bet is to give the information directly to the PCTA regional rep
> who is working with the USFS in determining the alternative route. I believe
> you are planning to do that. 
> 
> Posting unapproved alternatives out here at this time suggests to the
> uninformed that these alternatives are viable when they are not. 
> 
> As for me, if you would stop posting unapproved alternatives, there would be
> no need for warnings against going into the closed areas.
> 
> L-Rod
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of canoeman at qnet.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:33 AM
> To: patti kulesz
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Just behave
> 
> 
> I'm sure your referring to those guys on the san gabriel forum, when your
> suggesting Someone BEHAVE.
> My behind the scenes work with the pcta is  offering  suggestions for future
> routes for them to consider, that I know very well.
> I haven't hiked these trails  SINCE THE CLOSURES  and wont. I have hiked
> these
> routes EXTENSIVELY IN PAST YEARS, BECAUSE THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY LITERALLY
> TOUCHES THIS TRAIL ROUTE BEING SUGGESTED.
> And frankly I'm starting get pissed off by self imposed trail gods venting
> their
> anger at me for simply suggesting POSSIBLE ROUTES.
> THIS IS A FORUM. I SEE IT AS A PLACE TO OFFER OPEN DISCUSSION.
> So save your angry rant about closed areas, and get off your ass and help
> find
> a
> solution to the road walk, instead of ranting about others trying to help.
> 
> NO WHERE  in my posts have I suggested anyone enter closed areas. PERIOD.
> I HAVE HOWEVER, SPENT MANY WEEKENDS HIKING ADJACENT AREAS TO THE CLOSURE TO
> FIND
> A ROUTE TO HELP HIKERS AVOID A ROAD WALK.
> I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH MY LOCAL TOWN COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION,
> AND
> LOCAL LAND OWNERS TO GET TRAIL PERMISSION ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY INCLUDING
> MY
> OWN TO ALLOW HIKERS TO BY PASS THE CLOSURE.
> WE ALL KNOW THE AREA IS CLOSED, BUT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE GET INVOLVED, PERHAPS
> THE
> FOREST SERVICE WILL TAKE NOTICE AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THESE ROUTES.
> IF YOUR ANGRY, GO TO THE FORUM where TRESPASSERS POST and  RANT THERE. I've
> NOTICED NO ONE HERE HAS.   NOT ONE PERSON.
> 
> I WILL CONTINUE TO TRY AND HELP SUGGEST ROUTES TO THE PCTA AND THE FOREST
> SERVICE, AND SURROUNDING LANDOWNERS.
> BUT THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE PCTA HAVE THE FINAL SAY.
> by the way, THE use of caps in text was intentional, GET IT!
> 
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