Len wrote: <A new year, new shoes. Note that the Hardrock is no more. A Montrail rep says the AT Plus might be of interest. http://montrail.com/Subcategory.aspx?top=1&cat=-1 > I love the name of one of the shoes...."Mountain Masochist". If your feet hurt wearing them, does it hurt your chances of a refund since you wereforewarned? Squatch www.walkpct.com