[pct-l] Gear List comments!

[Kimberlie Dame]

Thank you sooo much for comments already received! So far, I think I have
been convinced  to leave home the gps, the water filter (swap out for a
cloth filter and drops),and swap out the water bag and spouts/hose for a
platypus and a water bottle.. More needs to happen I can feel it! Keep the
comments coming!

Thanks again! Great this list is here!

Kimberlie in Sedona


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>   1. HEET resupply (Teresa Skye)
>   2. Re: bear box before Lone Pine
>      (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
>   3. Re: bear box before Lone Pine (Len Glassner)
>   4. Re: Would love comments on my gear list! (Julian Plamann)
>   5. Re: Starting Slow (jason moores)
>   6. Re: Starting Slow (Josh)
>   7. The Western Snowpack Map... (Trekker4 at aol.com)
>   8. Snowpack Map link... (Trekker4 at aol.com)
>   9. Re: Would love comments on my gear list! (Kathryn Zimmerman)
>  10. Van-supported AT Geezer Hike 2010 (Diana)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:27:27 -0800
> From: Teresa Skye <tskye1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] HEET resupply
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Does anyone have a more recent resupply location list for HEET than in
> Yogi's most recent book? She covers many locations, but is vague about
> others (maybe available in Sisters, might be available in Castella). I'm
> wondering about 2009 PCT'ers experience in resuppyling Heet.
> Thanks,
> Teresa  (Skyward)
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:29:12 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>        <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear box before Lone Pine
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Lone Pine is fine to pick up your canister. You don't need a bear can
> before then. You may run into other hikers who are paranoid that you
> don't have one, so just don't camp near them.
>
> Diane
>
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:15 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I realize most folks pick up their bear vault at Kennedy Meadows
> > but figure
> > this was do to logistics.  I'm planning to be coming into Lone Pine
> > for a
> > resupply.  I pick it up then or is it needed in the miles before
> > this point?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Laura
> > "Topper"
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:43:29 -0800
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bear box before Lone Pine
> To: Laura Newman <newmanonthepct at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT mail box <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Laura Newman <newmanonthepct at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I realize most folks pick up their bear vault at Kennedy Meadows but
> figure
> > this was do to logistics. ?I'm planning to be coming into Lone Pine for a
> > resupply. ?I pick it up then or is it needed in the miles before this
> point?
> >
> If you look at the following map, you'll see that that Trail Pass and
> Cottonwood Pass (I'm assuming that one or the other is your exit
> point) are on the edge of a territory where bear-resistant storage is
> required.  Looks like, prior to exit, anything but camping right at
> the top of CP would be legal.
>
> http://sierrawildbear.gov/foodstorage/map082609.pdf
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:39:00 -0800
> From: Julian Plamann <julian at amity.be>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Would love comments on my gear list!
> To: Kimberlie Dame <kimberlie.dame at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I don't know about what is needed on the Arizona trail, but here are the
> things you likely will find you won't need on the PCT:
> sleeping bag liner
> pillow
> tent footprint
> Vibrams
> Yaktrax
> Jetboil stove (a FancyFeast cat food can with some holes punched in it
> works
> great and is 3/4lb lighter)
> MSR hydration bag - instead, try a lighter Platypus or better yet some
> gatorade bottles
> water filter - instead try 3oz of AquaMira
> GPS
> bear bag (not legal in Yosemite area and unnecessary everywhere else)
> pepper spray
>
>
> -julian
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Kimberlie Dame <kimberlie.dame at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone! I am doing a thru-hike of the Arizona Trail this spring and
> am
> > hoping I can get some comments on the gear list I posted! This is
> > essentially the same gear list I am bringing on my PCT trip next year..
> It
> > is way too much weight.. I know things have to go.. But need advice on
> > what!
> > It is posted on my website:
> >
> > "thenewnomads.com"
> >
> > Thank you in advance!
> >
> > Kimberlie in Sedona
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 01:57:54 -0700
> From: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Starting Slow
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>
> > 1)April 25th Campo
> >    June 15th Kennedy Meadows
> >
> > 13.5 miles per day average
>
> Joan,
>
> I'm all for you hiking as many miles per day as you want. When I was
> planning my 2009 hike I had hoped to keep the mileage to 15 per day for the
> first 2-300miles. My hiking partner and I knew that we were not in good
> enough shape to handle 20 mile days back to back. Once on the trail these
> plans fell apart quickly. We found it easier to do more miles than to deal
> with the consequence of hiking slower. Here are a few of the reasons why you
> may find 13.5mpd difficult to stick to.
>
> Weight- there are a couple 100 mile stretches without easy resupply, and
> within these areas a few 30 mile waterless stretches. This could mean 6 days
> of food and 3+ gal. of water. You'll also need to carry a more substantial
> pack to accommodate this load, adding 2-3lbs. That's about 40lbs on top of
> your base weight.
>
> Time- even if you sleep in, hike slowly and take multiple brakes you'll
> still be in camp by say 3:00pm. This leaves about 5-6 hours a day of down
> time before sunset. This is a lot of time to be sitting around in the hot
> sand, waiting to walk more miles. This is a backpacking pace not a thru-hike
> one. You'll end up carrying books and such to fill the time. Add a few more
> pounds.
>
> I think that it is reasonable to plan on hiking less than 20 miles a day
> for the first few weeks on the trail. But, once on the trail it is more
> important to be flexible than to stick to any plan. We found that by
> carrying less food and water the miles came much easier. We didn't need to
> be in incredible shape to do 20 miles. We got up at 5:00am and traveled
> until 7 or 8pm most days. We made 20 miles without even trying. We took
> breaks every hour, at least two long hour plus breaks a day and tried hard
> not to push it. Within two weeks we considered a twenty mile day a lite one.
>
> This year we are training much harder than we did last year and hope to be
> in good enough shape to do twenty plus a day when we reach the border. Once
> on the trail we'll listen to our bodies. If twenty a day is hurting us and
> therefore our whole trip; we'll slow down a bit, eat better, drink more
> water and take more zeros. By traveling lite and planning a moderate hiking
> pace the miles add up. Hiking only 13.5mpd all of the way to KM just seems
> harder than doing twenty once your body is ready for it, and your body will
> be ready for it way before KM.
>
> Jason M. Moores
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:00:48 -0500
> > From: joan.henriksen at gmail.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Starting Slow
> >
> > Paul in response to your post, I am not advocating against pre-hike
> > conditioning.  I think you are right to encourage everyone to get off
> their
> > butts.   I am active now and I going to backpack for a few weeks on the
> AT
> > in March as a shakedown. However, I don't think that starting slow puts
> one
> > in danger of a late finish.  My plan is to divide my hike into 3 stages
> and
> > have seperate mileage goals for each.  Hopefully my math is right so I
> don't
> > look silly :)
> >
> > 1)April 25th Campo
> >    June 15th Kennedy Meadows
> >
> > 13.5 miles per day average
> >
> > 2)June15th Kennedy Meadows
> >    July 19th Belden
> >
> > 17 miles per day average
> >
> > 3)July 19th Belden
> >    September 20th  Manning Park
> >
> > 22 miles per day average
> >
> > This does not factor in zero days. But I think that it is actually a
> > conservative estimation. I really don't like zeros and generally employed
> > neros on the AT to save money.  After Ned's snow clinic I may decide that
> I
> > can hit the Sierras earlier and bump up my mileage in the beginning.
>  That
> > would shave some days off the schedule.  I can do 20s on the AT so I am
> > planning on 25s in Oregon and Washington.  So I should gain a few days
> there
> > as well   Then if I take in take into account some unknown crisis like a
> > week long case of giardia that still leaves me around September 20th.
> >
> > Whoah this is quite the post  Thanks for bearing with me!
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:59:20 -0800
> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Starting Slow
> To: "'Gary Wright'" <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> No arguments with anything U suggested (moleskins don't work 4 me
> either)...just wanted to interject that I use Duct Tape when my feet start
> having an issue in 1 place or another.  Many times it's actually the back
> of
> my heal which has issues.  I typically leave the tape on for a couple/few
> days until it comes off on its own at which time the 'problem' is 'healed'.
> That's just what works 4 me.
>
> I bring a "travel roll" of duct tape...the 1oz roll which is rolled on
> itself (no hollow center)...U just never know when a lil duct tape will
> come
> in handy for something. :)
>
> Also, I wear thick synthetic/wool socks which not only cushion the impact
> of
> walking with a pack, but wick moisture (sweat) away from my feet very well.
> They don't seem to take long to dry either and even when they're wet,
> they're not all that uncomfortable (and I'm one who HATES to have my feet
> wet!!!).
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Gary Wright
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:44 PM
> To: Ernie Castillo
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Starting Slow
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Ernie Castillo wrote:
> >
> > Oh, and don't forget to pack moleskin.,
>
> I know that foot care is a highly personal matter, but I've never been able
> to get moleskin to work for me. It invariably protects one blister only to
> create another somewhere else.
>
> For what it's worth my foot care regime is:
>
> 1) have the right shoes for *your* feet
> 2) lace your shoes to work for *your* feet
> 3) shoes and socks off at every break
> 4) swap socks at every break
> 5) apply goldbond & bodyglide at every break
> 6) fix foot problems as soon as they are noticed,
>   a hot spot can become a blister quickly,
>   i.e., an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
>
> Radar
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:07:15 EST
> From: Trekker4 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] The Western Snowpack Map...
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, cdt-l at backcountry.net
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> for 1 Feb is out:
> normal & above normal in CA; below normal in OR & WA - for the  PCT
> way above normal in NM; about normal in CO; below normal in WY & MT for
> the CDT
>
> Bob  "Trekker"
> Big Bend Desert Denizen, and...
> Naturalized Citizen - Republic  of Texas
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:30 EST
> From: Trekker4 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Snowpack Map link...
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, cdt-l at backcountry.net
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> Forgot the link:
> _
> ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/support/water/westwide/snowpack/wy2010/snow1002.gif_
> (
> ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/support/water/westwide/snowpack/wy2010/snow1002.gif
> )
>
> Bob  "Trekker"
> Big Bend Desert Denizen, and...
> Naturalized Citizen - Republic  of Texas
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:04:57 -0500
> From: Kathryn Zimmerman <thebaglady07 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Would love comments on my gear list!
> To: Julian Plamann <julian at amity.be>
> Cc: Kimberlie Dame <kimberlie.dame at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> And you can find lighter gear.  A sleeping bag should have 800 or 850 fill
> -
> that will lighten it up while keeping it warm.  You're tent could be down
> to
> 16 - 23 oz using Six Moons Lunar or a Mountain Laurel Designs Serenity
> Shelter and tarp.  A Sawyer inline filter (2.2 oz) weighs much less than
> Katahdin and doesn't flavor the water.  Julian took out the tent foot
> print,
> but what do you put under your "cowboy" setup to keep your bag off the
> ground?  I second the Fancy Feast can.  Mine is going on its 2nd long hike.
> Wouldn't leave home without it!  But I'd keep the pillow.  12 hours of
> comfortable sleeping is as important as 12 hours of comfortable hiking in
> my
> book!  I dare say too, in my experience, when you pack all this stuff up
> and
> get on the scales, the sum of the parts weighs less than the whole.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Bag Lady
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Julian Plamann <julian at amity.be> wrote:
>
> > I don't know about what is needed on the Arizona trail, but here are the
> > things you likely will find you won't need on the PCT:
> > sleeping bag liner
> > pillow
> > tent footprint
> > Vibrams
> > Yaktrax
> > Jetboil stove (a FancyFeast cat food can with some holes punched in it
> > works
> > great and is 3/4lb lighter)
> > MSR hydration bag - instead, try a lighter Platypus or better yet some
> > gatorade bottles
> > water filter - instead try 3oz of AquaMira
> > GPS
> > bear bag (not legal in Yosemite area and unnecessary everywhere else)
> > pepper spray
> >
> >
> > -julian
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Kimberlie Dame <kimberlie.dame at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone! I am doing a thru-hike of the Arizona Trail this spring
> and
> > am
> > > hoping I can get some comments on the gear list I posted! This is
> > > essentially the same gear list I am bringing on my PCT trip next year..
> > It
> > > is way too much weight.. I know things have to go.. But need advice on
> > > what!
> > > It is posted on my website:
> > >
> > > "thenewnomads.com"
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance!
> > >
> > > Kimberlie in Sedona
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>
> --
> - Kathryn
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:28:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Diana <hoodooey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Van-supported AT Geezer Hike 2010
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> This is for the more mature a-hikin'-Americans on the list who may wish to
> consider 'that other trail' this year. (One's "Unsupported" virginity could
> even remain unaffected for the PCT, Reinhold. Ah, but you may not be a
> geezer. Sorry. :o)
>
> The Appalachian hike could be for you if you don't want to die of::
> - heat in the desert
> - sliding off the mountain in the Sierra
> - blood loss by mosquito in Oregon (if the Sierra bugs have left any), or
> - being trampled by stampeding pack stock.
>
> It's good to remember that John Muir hiked the Appalachians BEFORE heading
> to the Sierras. Never mind that he didn't go back, the point is that these
> are also lovely mountains in need of hikers.
>
> So posting this for the one and only, the beloved Loon...
>
> ==========
> Don't forget the GEEZER HIKE, a not-for-profit, van-supported trek of the
> Appalachian Trail starting April 1, 2010. Intended for those over 50,
> slightly daft and in search of new adventures. (If you are over 50 and want
> to thru-hike the AT, that criteria may apply to you!  :o)
>
> I'm supplying the van and the driver; expenses will be shared. After hiking
> the AT several times, I want to do it this way, with 6-10 friends this
> summer. If interested, check out this website:
> www.ratherBhiking.com/hikes/geezers/.
>
> As of this writing, the expedition is still in need of a driver. If you'd
> like to spend the spring and summer driving and hiking in the Appalachians,
> please let me know.
>
> All the best to PCT and AT classes of 2010!
>
> Loon
> ==========
>
> Please make any contact through the above-referenced webpage. (PMs from
> this post may go unanswered.)
>
> [Cross-posted to AT-L and WhiteBlaze]
>
>
>
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